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Mark Cerny Explains PlayStation's Focus On GPU Power Over CPU Upgrade For PS5 Pro

PlayStation lead architect Mark Cerny has offered an explanation on PlayStation's focus on GPU power over CPU upgrades for the PS5 Pro.

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andy85147d ago

Only logical really. Had this argument loads on here. "Why have they not changed the CPU". Well it's costing £700 without doing that. How much did you want it to cost exactly doing both? CPU based games are probably 1/10 to GPU games' 9/10. That's why the money should be in the GPU

Fishy Fingers147d ago (Edited 147d ago )

Its easier/cheaper to manufacture (at least one chip on the APU is the same).

And more importantly, console games are mostly GPU bound (as they have ass CPUs compared to modern PCs) so keeping it the same makes life easier on devs to build the CPU requirements for both PS5 & Pro and just scale up on the GPU side of things.

DivineHand125147d ago (Edited 147d ago )

He could have made compromises to improve not only the GPU but the CPU as well. The CPU inside the PS5 is equivalent to the Ryzen 7 3700x. If he had approached it with the same logic as a PC gamer/builder, he would have left out the wifi 7 card and used a 1 TB internal storage instead of 2. That would have reduced the total cost of the system enough for him to add a CPU that is equivalent to a Ryzen 5 5600x or better while releasing it at $700.

That would have felt like a true generational leap over the base PS5 without having to rely on PSSR.

There is a reason Digital Foundry asked that question because they too believe the CPU could have been upgraded.

Dreadbourn147d ago (Edited 147d ago )

The 3700x is perfectly fine for 60fps. A 5600x like upgrade would have been a waste of resources for what they want out of it.

DivineHand125147d ago

So let me get this straight. You are fine with getting less for your money when there was a way for you to get more for that $700?

There are some titles that struggle to reach a locked 60 fps because of this CPU limitations and some titles that looks visually worst that the base PS5 because of the developer's poor implementation of PSSR. The more power inside the PS5 pro means, less issues from devs and a better product for you the consumer.

Don't blindly defend everything from Sony.

Dreadbourn146d ago

No, divinehand, I'd rather them do what they did with the SSD than a CPU upgrade. I have a PC I built with a 3600x and a 6800xt, I can count the number of titles I've tried that are CPU bottlenecked on one hand, and none of them are on console. You wouldn't see a real measurable difference in 99% of titles going from a 3700x to a 5600x until you start getting to 100+ fps, and that territory means next to nothing for consoles.

mkis007147d ago (Edited 147d ago )

You are ignoring the fact that the cpu bound games are all countable on one hand vs the gpu ones. It isn't worth it in this case. Any upgrade wouldn't have been enough even with other cutbacks. He's been lead architect for the past 4 consoles for a reason.

DivineHand125147d ago

How would reducing the drive space from 2 TB to 1 TB and keeping Wifi6 in the PS5 pro impact the performance?

Those are expensive components and the budget of those could have gone towards a better CPU while keeping the same GPU the PS5 Pro currently has.

The_Algorithm146d ago

The Pro was never meant to be a "true generational leap over the base PS5", that's what the PS6 will be for.

richie007bond146d ago

Tell that to the folks forking out $700

Firebird360147d ago

Anybody else get the feeling after that presentation that ps6 might not be backwards compatible and almost certainly not with ps4 games.

mkis007147d ago

not at all, he even said he didn't need to butterfly ps4 pro after all. "once it's in it's in." He said something in a digital foundry interview about timings not having to line up as he once thought.

Reaper22_147d ago (Edited 147d ago )

I'm not impressed at all with what PS5 PRO brings to the table. It's not worth the price imo.

mkis007147d ago

As they bring home record revenue lol.

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xenz146d ago

Sony stock price has surged with 30% the last 6 months. Just FYI

mkis007146d ago

Don't go to you for financial advice got it. You're the kind of guy who would say something obvious about finances and then something crazy would happen just so fate could make you wrong again.

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Jade Raymond Has Left Haven Studios, The PlayStation-owned Studio She Founded

Veteran producer Jade Raymond has left Haven Studios, the company she founded in 2021.

According to a new report by Bloomberg, Raymond – who rose to prominence after producing Assassin’s Creed and executive producing Assassin’s Creed II, Assassin’s Creed: Bloodlines and Watch Dogs – has left her studio, which is still in the process of developing online shooter Fairgames.

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Obscure_Observer1d 2h ago

Jesus Christ man...Unbelievable!

I can´t believe that Playstation Studios can´t manage to develop and deliver ONE single successful high quality first party LS game throughout the whole current generation!

Hermen Hulst needs to be fired ASAP! He´s Jimbo 2.0!

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S2Killinit1d ago

Sure buddy. Don’t forget, we have everything you have, but more. 😝

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Lightning7723h ago

Can you stop the fanboying for 2 seconds? Seriously this deflecting and ignoring everything that's going on with Sony's first party the past few years is frustrating and ignorant. You know there's others who have a PS also and want Sony's best like we use to get right? Stop trying to ruin it for everyone else with side steps. Not this BS deflecting that you ppl constantly do.

Besides HD what other LS game thrived so far? Has Herman made good buissness choices and decisions when it comes to LS yes or no?

Start questioning PS Studios.

S2Killinit21h ago(Edited 21h ago)

@Lightning
Fanboy? You talking about me, or yourself? We got alt guy over here with his brand new account burning up from rage, and you are asking me stop “fan boying”?

Sony have at least 3 first party heavy hitters coming up, that we know of, and its not like we are lacking in exclusives department.

As to LS, they had Helldivers, and GT7, both were resounding success. They had a complete flop in concord. Not sure why you think we need to be concerned. They are destroying the competition and that market share translates to games.

Lightning7721h ago

"Fanboy? You talking about me, or yourself?"

What's are you talking about how am I a fanboy? Those alt counts will be gone nobody will see them anyway.

I wouldn't call Marathon a heavy hitter and Yotei yes definitely. However they do have DS2 I just feel like there should be more. We all know why there isn't more.

They only have two LS HD as I mentioned and I totally forgot about Grand Turismo. Only 2 While canceling Twisted Metal and Spiderman LS. Who knows the quality at least those games sound compelling.

Btw MLB isn't a live service its a Yearly released sports game.

DodoDojo19h ago

Only one LS flop? Were just going to ignore all the canceled LS games that were in development for years? Ok then.

Reaper22_19h ago

More? Oh, you must mean Concord.🤭

darthv7215h ago(Edited 15h ago)

@S2... does that mean you are thankful for XB games? Who'd of thought MS helping to keep PS [only] fans fed during these trying times.

S2Killinit15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

@Lightning
you womt call it a heavyhitter? Really, interesting. There is also intergalactic. Sonyes there will be more.

@darth
Why would I complain about xbox exclusives being playable on PlayStation? I mean xbox really didnt have a lot throughout the years but that doesnt mean they didn’t have anything at all. I normally dont like bro-dude games with bulky dudes, but I may actually play gears of war if just to try it. (Assuming the games arent too outdated at this point)

Redgrave10h ago

Listen,

I am as Sony bred as they come, never owned an Xbox of any kind, Playstation first and foremost even over Nintendo, and a PS+ Premium member. I have put 90% of my gaming time into the past 4 generations of Playstation since the PS2.

Sitting here presently, I find myself asking why I bought a PS5 instead of going PC. I can't think of one single game put out exclusively for PS5 by Sony that has made me glad to have the console.

There have been third party games, like FF7 Rebirth and Expedition 33 that have given me the "hell yeah" feeling about the purchase, but nothing Sony has done. It's been either remasters, the Last of Us again, or attempted Live Service slop that nobody asked for and either couldn't even make it to the table or died out as soon as it did.

There's no true "it" game. Returnal, GoW Ragnorok, and Horizon are all good games, terrific even. But are they truly system seller worthy?

If this direction continues onwards as blaring as it has been, I can't see myself getting a PS6. Ps+ is extremely expensive for no real reason, at $230 + tax for tier that pumps out classics that are more hit than miss. Remasters outnumber exclusives 10 to 1, and we have another Concord game that will likely fair exactly the same and just have been several years of improperly guided directions away from what put Sony on the map in the first place. Buying Bluepoint and sticking them on a live service God of War game? How can you defend that kind of decision making?

We don't have "anything you have" and more. It sucks just as much on PS as Xbox because WTF are we paying all this money for? I haven't seen the monthly offerings surge in quality since the last two psn price hikes and I already brought up Premiums current state. To get games nobody asked for or wants? To be PC port playtesters?

None of us are eating good except PC users, and for them it actually pays to be patient.

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VenomUK16h ago

Sony helped finance Jade Raymond to set up her own studio, then bought it. So even though Haven has yet to release a single game, whatever happened she's made millions. Not bad!

crazyCoconuts16h ago

I don't really care about LS, but the overall output for the last 1.5 years has dropped dramatically, along with the transparency on what teams have teed up. Sounds like a mess over there.

kayoss15h ago

That's rich coming from you. An xbox lover but yet support a console that havent develop and deliver ONE single successful High quality first party game throughout its entire two generations of consoles.

Aloymetal14h ago

Bingo!
The nerve on these green fanatics. They have a weird sense of reality.

Obscure_Observer12h ago

"An xbox lover but yet support a console that havent develop and deliver ONE single successful High quality first party game throughout its entire two generations of consoles."

Hmm... Not from what I been seeing and hearing from actual Playstation players and Playstation Store sales stats.

MIDGETonSTILTS1714h ago

Helldivers 2 is a massive success, and you’re ignoring it.

And, when the competition doesn’t bring anything to the table themselves, a handful of games like Helldivers 2 and Returnal are enough to win the competition.

You can’t win a console war if you don’t compete with games. Xbox lowered the bar for Sony, and I blame Xbox for that.

SCW198214h ago

She leaves every studio she goes to before a single game is released. Do some research

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Lightning771d 2h ago

Yeah hate to break it to you Sony but I think they need to shelve their LS efforts almost all together. They formed LFG ex Bungie guys and making another LS but I don't have much hope for it anymore. Marathon is quickly getting overshadowed by Arch Raiders, We all know what happened to Concord.

Only solution I can think of is have 3rd party like a Arrowhead make them a LS game. Speaking of AH their next project is completely funded by them so it won't be from them. I just think it's a good idea that they seek a 3rd party for LS. They'll save time, money and won't take time away their SP efforts. Which is suffering immensely this gen due to all this LS.

S2Killinit1d ago

Wait we are writing off games that arent even out yet?

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Lightning7722h ago(Edited 22h ago)

It might come out it might not. Sony said they're still pushing the project. That's a good thing. Even if it does come out will it be any good? There's too many questions and hurdles surrounding the LS.

Bigger question when are we gonna see it? Will they have a PS showcase or State Of Play? Grubb said Sony was debating whether to have a showcase, SOP or anything.

I sure hope they have a showcase or something in the coming weeks. I want Sony first party and their teams not just Xbox events and shows basically saving the damn day at this point.

Of all the companies it's freakin Xbox that's doing it. Who'd a thought.

S2Killinit21h ago(Edited 21h ago)

Look at alt guy with 3 comments history over here.

Desperate.

Johnh522313h ago

Playstation its ok you have more xbox games to play :)

Loktai12h ago

All those games were already on PC anyway. They're only so easy to port because PlayStation has literally copied Sonys architecture for multiple generations, just worse / corners cut (XBSX still doesnt have the fill rate of a base PS5 due to clocks, and it shows)

Sonyslave31d 1h ago

Live services games are hard to make & and even harder to make if you trying to create an original game.

Just copy and past succesful gaas or gacha games with their anime license they can easy make a overwatch or geshin impact clone.

DarXyde18h ago

This is actually good advice.

Not that I condone live service games, but if they're trying to succeed, this is sound.

Miraak82 15h ago

I think they should use some of their Ips to test the waters instead of creating something from the ground up , I think something LittBigPlanet would be I good contender but instead of DLC they just put out new Pass ever few months with new costumes,building materials and developer created content . Warhawk could be a good contender for a battle royal . The reason HD2 2 succeeded was because it wasn't directly competing with anything else.

goken12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Not necessarily… MiHoYo have quite consistently successfully hit it out of the park.
Fate Grand order is a LS game is even owned by Sony.

Sony needs to stop with the arena shooters and get creative

Inverno8h ago

Its funny how the excuse is always "games are hard to make". Sure on a technical level they take weeks/months/years, but ideas aren't all that hard to come up with, nor hard to figure out that they might not work well as a games concept. That's why they prototype these ideas. What's weird to me is how so many service games go into development for years and no one seems to come to the conclusion that it's turning out bad. That and how slow devs are these days. You watch docs on game development on older games and devs talk about figurine out mechanics in just a few days. Now it takes a dev a year to texture something.

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Big Loss for Piracy? Famous Switch Hacker Already Throwing in the Towel on Switch 2

TNS - Atmosphere CFW developer has publicly said that he will not be making a version for the Switch 2, and the console might be virtually unhackable.

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jjb19811d 2h ago

Somebody will get it done at some point. Its only a matter of when.

gold_drake1d ago

people said that about other consoles too, we'll see

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Skyrim lead recalls Bethesda working their “a**es off” to make the game just 4.8GB

As The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered takes up 125GB, original designer Bruce Nesmith recalls fitting Skyrim into a tiny file size.

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jznrpg1d 18h ago

MS could compress their games on disc

raWfodog1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Skyrim is still my favorite ES game. I’m playing through it again right now since I never finished it.

ActualWhiteMan1d 3h ago

Yeah totally. Definitely won’t be hacking it Nintendo 🤞🏻

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