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The First-Person Perspective Is Really Hurting Indiana Jones And The Great Circle

Indiana Jones and the Great Circle feel highly promising from the environments, story sections, and dialogues. However, the first-person perspective for an iconic face like Indy is still off-putting.

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gold_drake177d ago

i think so too, its an odd decision for an action game essentially. or franchise

-Foxtrot177d ago

Comes across as "We were given Indiana Jones but since we have no experience of third person we just went along with First person"

Microsoft should have given Indiana to someone else and let these guys do a Quake reboot or something.

TheColbertinator177d ago

And give Fallout to Obsidian. We scream but nobody listens.

Zeref176d ago

Why would they make another Uncharted when Uncharted is right there?

-Foxtrot176d ago

Well…

1) Doesn't have to be like Uncharted just because it’s third person. Indiana would have more focus on puzzles than combat.

2) Uncharted has been out of action for years now, this would have been the perfect time…

KyRo177d ago

It feels like studios live in a little bubble and ignore everything around them that isn't the game they're making. The Avatar game was okay but would have been much better as a third person game too.

RaidenBlack176d ago (Edited 176d ago )

The very studio or rather specifically the studio's devs created the iconic Chronicles of Riddick Escape from Butchers Bay,
A critically acclaimed game that features the similar third-first person hybrid structure from 2004! You don't get to see the iconic Riddick/Vin Diesel's face while you play.
So no, the devs aren't living in a bubble but rather followed their tradition.
If they wanted to make another Uncharted/Tomb Raider clone ... they could've but they didn't.
But alas, modern journalism and these articles ... will force everything to a certain structure and just for sake of clicks will always doubt experimentations.
Its articles like these that sometimes changes views, results in poor sales, impacts studio's future creativity and forces them to take less risks in future.

Reaper22_177d ago

It's not an odd decision. Not everyone games has to be like uncharted or Tomb Raider.

gold_drake177d ago

true agreed.

but both uncharted and tomb raider are essentially inspired by it.

also, just by default, Indiana Jones is a journey/exploration of myths, legends and treasures.

doesnt quite translate to first person now does it.

goken177d ago

While correct not every game needs to be uncharted or tomb raider.
But when you have an iconic character it would be nice to actually see him/her while you play.
Imagine if Arkham series and spiderman decided to go with first person, people would go WTF

TricksterArrow176d ago

Being third person is not what defines Uncharted and Tomb Raider. Not any other game for that matter. A game can be third person and still have its particularities. Might as well say that “Indiana Jones is not Mirror’s Edge and Resident Evil 7, why is it in First Person”. If they changed the perspective to avoid association with other popular titles, it’s a sign that there is not enough there to tell this title apart in the first place… which is a much deeper problem.

darthv72177d ago

It worked just fine for Chronicles of Riddick... why not here?

lelo2play176d ago

"The First-Person Perspective Is Really Hurting Indiana Jones And The Great Circle"

Everybody said the same thing about Cyberpunk 2077, and yet...

gold_drake176d ago

i wouldnt compare those two games, but ok.

mkis007176d ago

Indiana jones won't be using his gun very much (idk if he even can outside of specific moments). Cyberpunk is an fps. It seems to be have a lot of platforming, which is better in 3rd person.

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thorstein177d ago

I didn't realize the game was out and people said they weren't buying it because of 1st person.

MaximusPrime_177d ago

This is why I found tech4gamers the worst source for news and opinion pieces.

RaidenBlack176d ago

The article quality itself so poor ... "I enjoyed the hell outta uncharted coz I could see his face while I play ... why can't it be same for this game?"

Inverno177d ago

There's gameplay and people are expressing their opinions based off what they've seen. Crazy I know.

Michiel1989176d ago

come on now, everyone on the internet is an internal beta tester, you shoulda known this.

lukasmain177d ago (Edited 177d ago )

You'll get used to it. Plus it's got cut-scenes so I'm sure you'll see heaps of Indy to keep you immersed. It doesn't really matter that it's 1st person, what matters is if the story hits and I'm sure it'll be fine. Personally, yeah, I would have preferred 3rd person, but 1st person isn't the end of the world, as I said, you'll get used to it.

anast177d ago

I don't like it being FP, but I'm going to play it any way too.

RaidenBlack176d ago

Its not only just cutscenes ... other movements like mantling and ziplining are all third person based ... the hate doesn't come just from gameplay ... it primarily coz of the publisher.
And I'd say the discussion here is still civil compared to the first gameplay reveal N4G article, when the PS5 launch wasn't mentioned.

lukasmain176d ago

"PS5 Launch wasn't mentioned"

Or it could be because lots of previews have come out already and we know a hell of a lot more about the game and how it plays. I was super skeptical a the start, and it wasn't because it wasn't going to playstation. Honestly, but when the previews came in, my view of the game and gameplay were much more positive. I could imagine how it would play.

GotGame818177d ago

To me it's not a big deal. It would be nice to have a toggle option. Honestly I wish more games did. Some people just make issues out of nothing though. I mean I play all kinds of first Person games, and if the gameplay vibes it vibes.

Hofstaderman177d ago

Deus Ex Human Revolution and Mankind Divided did it right.

TheColbertinator177d ago

Deux Ex in general always did first person well in its time. Even Invisible War was a good first person interactive game even though it wasn't a good FPS.

spicelicka176d ago (Edited 176d ago )

I think it's also important to understand that a toggle option isn't as simple as people think. Some games are very intimate and unless it's factored into the game design, the camera getting pushed behind could cause the game to be glitchy.

This is why games like COD have it on multiplayer only, because the scripted elements of the campaign don't automatically adjust to third person.

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Indiana Jones and the Great Circle (PS5) Review - Jump Dash Roll

Indiana Jones is back, and this time on PlayStation 5. Is The Great Circle akin to the Holy Grail, or more like a Crystal Skull? JDR grabs its whip and find's out in today's review.

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BestBusdriver11d ago

look If you guys want us to pay more for games, at least give us quality. This game has to many BUGS...npc s stuck in walls, found artifacts do not register, Gina who refuses to follow....and for some puzzles you have to go back and forth between light and moderate difficulty🤷🤷 ...the Indiana Jones vibe is good, but this game is not long enough for a singleplayer game and the fun action sequences (plane and boat) where wayyyyy too short. It s not worth a 9. period

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Indiana Jones and the Great Circle Was the Best-Selling Game in the US Following PS5 Launch

Executive Director & Video Game Industry Analyst at Circana (NPD) Mat Piscatella has revealed the PS5 version of Indiana Jones and the Great Circle boosted sales for the game to number one in the US for the week ending April 19.

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dveio20d ago

First and foremost, this must be great for the folks at Machine Games. Well done & congrats!

Obscure_Observer20d ago

Xbox making BIG money out of Playstation nation this year!

Oblivion Remaster is already the third biggest release on PS5 this year! Only behind (so far) of Monster Hunter: Wild and Assassins Creed Shadows!

Shadow Dropped!
Zero Marketing!
Instant Success!

Profchaos20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

So is Sega these days.

Funny really you make a good game and make it available for sale and people buy it. What a world we live in

northpaws20d ago

Still this argument? Lol.

The truth is the Xbox division cannot even survive without PS now, not the other way around.

Obscure_Observer19d ago

@Kornholic

"It's a shame that Xbox players don't respect games and game culture enough to support them."

You should take your concerns to the devs who gets fat checks upfront and supports Gamepass with their games in the first place, not the gamers. Gamepass is not for free, you know?

I pay, they provide. It´s simple as that. I´ll enjoy my games on Gamepass for as long as I can. I´ll support the games that aren´t available on Gamepass as well, but I refuse to be ripoff by a company like Nintendo and their insanely overpriced products. My money! My rules!

@MrDead

"You should be thanking the people that keep the industry alive by buying games, the fact that MS tried to ban multiplatform publishers from their biggest console market is detrimental to the industry."

Now they´re making games and making big money out of everyone and your lame rhetoric was destroyed.

And yes, you´re right. Xbox gamers should thank PC, Nintendo, Mobile and Playstation gamers for support Xbox gamers while funding and making those games available to us day one and making XGS a better, more profitable and financial stable for Xbox developers.

Kornholic18d ago

@Obscure_Observer

Lmao, you don't have the courage to even reply to the commenters directly anymore.

Kornholic19d ago

Since the majority of Xbox players absolutely REFUSE to buy and pay for games, it wouldn't be even possible to make these types of big budget games without releasing them on PS5.

It's a shame that Xbox players don't respect games and game culture enough to support them.

ThinkThink19d ago

If I'm supporting the game and studio by paying for it via gamepass, I'm not also going to buy the game on top of that unless it is about to leave the service and I want to finish it. That would be like subscribing to Netflix while going out and buying Stranger Things box set on bluray.

Kornholic18d ago

@ThinkThink

That's just the thing - you AREN'T supporting the games and the studios by using Game Pass. That's the whole point. I can't believe you had the audacity to actually type that comment. Absolutely crazy work.

Show some appreciation for games and gaming culture by starting to actually pay for the games you are playing.

ThinkThink16d ago

Kornholic, you're saying that microsoft isn't paying the developers to put their games on gamepass? Developers are doing it for free? That's wild, I had no idea. I will go out and buy all games from now on. Thanks

MrNinosan19d ago

Playstation making BIG money out of Xbox nation this year.

Zero work, zero costs, zero risks... just collecting gold.
Just like with Sega and other big third party studios 🙌

dveio19d ago

And it's not just that 30% cut only.

Imagine if there's just one person saying:

"Mmmh, Indiana Jones is now on PS5. I just wanted to buy a new console. Oh, look here, Forza on PS now, too? Oh, what's that - Death Stranding 2 only on PS5? I guess I'm gonna get a PS5 then."

These are the decisions that lead to quarterly financial reports seen in the last one.

When Playstation made almost double the revenue of what Xbox did, with increased, even record hardware sales and profits.

It's not just that "30% cut".

lukasmain19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

Yes and some people don't seem to understand, the more consoles Playstation sells (because more people choose PS5 because of this), even more money they make because these people don't just buy these Xbox games on our console, they buy ALL 3rd party games across the board and Sony gets money from ALL of them. Sony is making a killing even more now. Some people don't realise just how much of a big massive WIN this is for Sony, now that MS put their games there. Just more 3rd party games that Sony gets a big fat chunk from. More games for all the users to choose from and Sony just sits back, on top of releasing their own games and the 2nd party games too. Sony is laughing. MS is laughing. Playstation gamers are laughing. Xbox gamers get what they've always had, their GamePass to continue unimpeded.

But they dont get Sony's games and we get all theirs, that's the kicker lol

ravens5219d ago

Bro. 🤦🏾. This ish isn't embarrassing to u??

MrDead19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

You should be thanking the people that keep the industry alive by buying games, the fact that MS tried to ban multiplatform publishers from their biggest console market is detrimental to the industry.

Thank you gamers for buying this game and slowing down MS's mass layoffs and market manipulation is what you should be saying here.

raWfodog19d ago

That's a weird take on it since Oblivion was also released on PS3 back in the days, but okaaay. We know what you're trying to do LOL.

It's really no surprise that a publisher is taking advantage of available platforms to release their games on. I mean that's what EA, Ubisoft, and Activision (before becoming Xbox Games) have always done. It's poor business decision otherwise. This just means that Playstation is the best place to have access to all of the great games.

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Jigga6920d ago

Now that Xbox fanboys have accepted that xbox games will be released on PS5 (and Switch 2), Microsoft will be able to release them on Day one from now on. Just had to get people to swallow the pill.

dveio20d ago

I really gotta say I am a bit curious about E-Day.

With hardly any sales anymore, wether hardware nor software, probably not even subscriptions in a quantity they would want to have:

Is Spencer going to pull the trigger and bring Gears D1 on Playstation?

raWfodog19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

Yeah, it's funny how some Xbox fanboys thought it would be a cold day in hell before Xbox first party games would ever release on PS. Then they kept moving the goal posts back each time a game came over to PS ("it's okay for that game, but it will never be this game, etc."). And now it's "We're making money ever time PS gamers buy our games, Yay!"

The very definition of "Cope".

goken20d ago

It’s what a good game from a good franchise deserves.
I still think it would have done better if it came out on PS5 day one.

dveio20d ago

That's my guess, too.

In hindsight, it's really been a bold decision to not release it on Playstation in a month like December.

But instead back in August already to announce it's going to come to Playstation, then proceed to make it a weird "4 ½ months timed exclusive", and then to release it in a time with so much competition/big games being around.

Isn't this just weird?

I mean why would you do that, purely from a business point of view speaking.

Eonjay19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

Well in reality Microsoft probably wanted to release D1 on PlayStation but probably made the decision late in development... remember in an interview Spencer said, just a few months earlier, that the game would not be coming to PlayStation.

So this is probably the result of a bunch of 'inside baseball'.

The result is that Microsoft is on pace to dominate PlayStation sales charts for the month of April and May. It's great for Sony too as they get a windfall of platforming fees from a former competitor.

All in all this is good for both companies and even better for PlayStation consumers that get access to PlayStation exclusive games like Death Stranding and Ghost of Yotie on top of games like Indiana Jones, Forza, Doom, Oblivion, 33, and GTA all in the same year.

dveio19d ago

Well, yeah. Nothing to disagree with you.

Although, as far as "dominating Playstation charts" goes:

We'll see. I have nothing against anyone dominating anything.

But this term of "domination" shouldn't be used too losely I suppose.

Indiana Jones was #1 best-selling game in a single week (so far). Let's see how Forza went.

And after May we'll have better numbers, or even after 2025.

I guess it's safe to say Clair Obscure already surpassed Indiana's sales on PS5.

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UK Sales Charts: Expedition 33 Debuts in Second Place, Almost All Sales for PS5 Version

The UK's physical sales charts for last week are here, and it's more good news for Clair Obscur: Expedition 33.

The RPG has debuted at number two, only trumped by Hogwarts Legacy, which has been top for several weeks in a row.

Furthermore, 96 per cent of the copies sold were for PS5 — perhaps not as shocking a statistic when you remember the game launched on Game Pass on Xbox systems, but in the realm of physical sales, that's quite the gulf.

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dveio20d ago

Geez.

I don't even know how to put it.

I mean, yeah, ok, that's just impressive.

While still remembering times when Xbox discs were on par or even sold more than Playstation's in the UK.

VenomUK19d ago

That stark difference between sales on the different platforms, 96% on PS5 and 4% on Xbox, is much larger than I think anyone was expecting. The only people buying it on Xbox are likely the ardent physical game collector enthusiasts.

It demonstrates that including premium games as day one freebies with subscription services kills off any demand from consumers to purchase them. If Microsoft had 100 million Game Pass subscribers this business model would be profitable for it - but it doesn't so every game that launches this way has lost out. In time industry experts will look back at Game Pass and pontificate on day one releases' effect on customer buying habits and the harm it did to the Xbox ecosystem.

ThinkThink19d ago

I think 60 million is realistic in the next couple of years. I guess we will see how the "this is an xbox" initiative goes with cloud and smart TVs. That's the only way they will be able to further expand gamepass numbers. XCloud needs to get out of beta first. More servers needed to mitigate wait times and continue to reduce latency.

jznrpg20d ago

Proud of those 4 percent of Xbox players supporting games with their wallet and going physical. Not a joke.

DarXyde19d ago

Certainly worthy of praise.

For the rest of you, you deserve Microsoft doing things like DRM check-ins. Y'all are too excited to see an all digital future without pushing these companies to do better with digital rights first.

Eonjay19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

Here hoping they got a healthy deal from Microsoft. If they do DLC they may be able to cash in on a bunch of GP subscribers. And of course really nice to see this selling so well on PlayStation.

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Relientk7720d ago

Good! I'm glad Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 got a strong debut. We'll deserved and I hope it continues to sell well.

shadowT20d ago

96%... maybe there was no Xbox disc available?

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goken20d ago

While we’re at it, Maybe 50% of those wanted to buy it for Xbox but accidentally bought the PS5 version instead and will be taking it back to the store to exchange it in the coming days.

Scissorman20d ago

This is why devs praise being on Game Pass. They know that the Xbox install base won't buy their game anyway, and they get a nice payout upfront. It's a complete win win.

mkis00720d ago

This game could have made more if it wasn't on gamepass. Only under the radar ones benefit that much from gamepass.

dveio20d ago

I'd guess they saw the potential of the game and paid Sandfall a very (!) good amount of compensation before-hand.

OptimusDK19d ago

So you know the deal they made

ThinkThink19d ago

Zero chance I'd ever buy an Indiana Jones game for 80 bucks though. Would much rather put that towards something like assassin's creed shadows. I did quite enjoy Indiana Jones on gamepass though.

Bathyj20d ago

More likely they were taking the safe option and getting a payout up front in case it didn't sell and now they are regretting it as it could have been a big hit .

who knows that ratio could have been closer to 60 40 had it not been on Game pass

MrNinosan20d ago

The ratio will never be 60/40, not even close whatever game it is.

If this game wasn't on GamePass, the ratio would in best case scenario reach maybe 90/10.

1. Playstation install base is more than double (almost triple of Xbox).
2. Xbox gamers don't tend to spend as much money on games
3. Jrpgs are still way more popular on the Playstation consoles than on Xbox.

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