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Xbox CEO Says There Will 'Definitely' Be Future Consoles

The executive tells Rolling Stone that cloud streaming is the priority, but so are handhelds and home consoles

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Obscure_Observer194d ago (Edited 194d ago )

We are here to stay!!!

Day One!!!

Those people who were expecting Xbox to leave the console market and become a full third publisher just got their dreams crushed yet again!!!

Einhander1972194d ago (Edited 194d ago )

"Speaking about consoles, Spencer said that he loves that people are buying Xbox hardware, but notes that it isn’t a growth market.(it's shrinking for xbox) “Our biggest growth in Xbox players is on PC and cloud,” he said. “The console space all up isn’t growing , across all of them (Phil, Switch is close to being the best selling console of all time and PS5 is on track to sell 115-125m). We love those customers, but in terms of continuing to expand and grow Xbox, it’s about PC, it’s about cloud, ad it’s about making our games more available in more places.”

*my reply is in the (...)

Phil also said he wasn't going to close Arkane, CoD wouldn't cause layoffs, CoD wasn't going to cause an increase in game pass prices, they wouldn't add a new tier of game pass for CoD, they weren't going to put games on other consoles, then after they did that they weren't going to do more.

Phil says whatever he thinks people want to hear, the truth is, the console will only last as long as there are enough people to make it work. And the fact is they aren't pushing the console, they are pushing cloud, and moving towards being a publisher. Just like their ad the console is getting pushed way off to the side well outside the spotlight.

If all they need to do is sell a 20$ Firestick vs spending billions on console manufacturing to sell to you and the five other guys still on the platform then...

Eonjay194d ago

“Our biggest growth in Xbox players is on PC and cloud,”
This is the whole ballgame. Microsoft is going to follow the money. They are saying that according to their own internal data, they are getting most of their new 'Xbox gamers' through cloud and PC. Note: he didn't say 'players' he said 'Xbox players' (remeber that for later). The most important thing here is that Microsoft is getting most of these player from PC and cloud. Not from people who are going out and buying an Xbox (mostly because people aren't buying an Xbox). In order for their to be growth at the Xbox division, they have get new customers.

Honestly I believe that Xbox fans (and fans of the hardware wanting to see it continue) really don't care if get more and more cozy with cloud or starts making all of their games avalible on PlayStation/Switch as long as they continue to support the Xbox hardware.

As truthBombs said below as long as PlayStation and Nintendo refuse to support GamePass, there will always be a need in the console space for an Xbox. Xbox gamers should count their lucky stars that Sony and Nintendo gamers are still buying games on those platforms because that is the only thing keeping Xbox hardware around.

Einhander1972194d ago

Eonjay

Do you think Microsoft really cares about the fans of the ever shrinking console base (or anyone) more than they care about money?

Consoles are very expensive to make, they have traditionally used game sales to fund the cost, not only are there less console owners less MAU on the consoles that are already sold those people aren't buying the games that fund the console.

Xbox as a console only exists as long as it pays for itself. And PlayStation and Nintendo owners aren't funding the xbox console they are funding game development, they are making up for the loss Game Pass is causing.

Eonjay194d ago (Edited 194d ago )

@Einhander1972

I understand what you are saying but think about it this way:

Even if people aren't buying the Xbox in mass and even if xbox gamers are not buying games, there is one thing that Microsoft can not replace, and that it the nearly 25 million GP subscribers. These are people who are playing on console and this is still a huge part of the revenue of Xbox. Microsoft can start putting up ads that say 'diet coke is an Xbox' but suddenly getting all those people to walk away from consoles is a tall order. So, until Sony or Nintendo (or both) can accept GP on their platforms, Microsoft is going to be stuck with a bunch of subscriber who prefer consoles. Sony and Nintendo are forcing Microsoft to participate and keep consoles relevant even though they are trying like hell to do the opposite.

I can't predict how this will play out or who if any will cave first (Sony or Nintendo) and I will leave that up to the comment section to speculate.

Einhander1972194d ago

Eonjay

They would make more money if they convinced those people to buy a $20 Firestick instead of a $500 console they are selling at a loss and that requires a billion dollars worth of development and supply chaining and countless other costs that would be eliminated.

crazyCoconuts194d ago

I think both of you guys are right. If MS wants to keep GamePass around, they need a console. But they don't feel they need a "new" console anytime soon. Production costs for existing hardware will go down, and they can continue to ride that train for the next 5 years with slim versions, while releasing a stick or something to get more people to stream. I imagine most of the cost associated with the XSS/XSX is behind them so they're just riding it out.

Obscure_Observer194d ago (Edited 194d ago )

"Phil says whatever he thinks people want to hear"

Indeed. And the big irony lies in the fact that you fell for it.

You were throwing a party celebrating his "no red lines" comment just a few days ago. Feeling good thinking that Phi´s manipulative statements would turn your dreams of Xbox leaving the console market to become a full third party publisher to Playstation into a reality... Smh.

Sweet promises, bitter reality is all you got. Your dreams getting merciless crushed!

"They would make more money if they convinced those people to buy a $20 Firestick instead of a $500 console they are selling at a loss and that requires a billion dollars worth of development and supply chaining and countless other costs that would be eliminated."

You can´t say I didn´t warn you:

"Both Sony and Nintendo *needs* their console to sell well to keep their business alive. MS do not!

MS has the luxury to keep and continue with the console business just to be a torn on both Nintendo and Playstation´s side."

https://n4g.com/news/263852...

And here we are.

It´s over for you, friend. Time for you to just move on and enjoy your Playstation. We aren´t going nowhere.

Lightning77194d ago

As always you take things outta context by not giving the full quote. Because your extreme fanboyism can't take it.

"In regard to whether the company’s emphasis on cloud streaming and anywhere devices means that the they’ll cease developing new home consoles, Spencer had a definitive answer.

“We’ll definitely do more consoles in the future, and other devices.”

This is the third time they mentioned making new hardware. Twice by Sarah Bond and now Spencer.

You wonder why I insult you. You spread misinformation, lies or take things outta context I come after you. If you didn't so those things, I wouldn't comes after you? See how that works? I know you're super slow but see the pattern here?

Don't start crying again because I'm not letting you half quote things. Gas lighting, putting words on your mouth or whatever whiny thing you say.

Reaper22_194d ago

You just a hater of anything Microsoft or xbox. They have a right to make and sell their product if that's what they chose. If you don't like what they bring to the table then don't buy it. Xbox has millions of fans that enjoy what they are doing.They aren't perfect but they are definitely stepping up with the games.

ABizzel1194d ago

I doubt they’ll give up the console market immediately, but I definitely think they’re giving up the high-end console race and will continue down the path of a Series S like console considering the sales ratio, and look to other kinds of GamePass access devices like a FireStick / maybe a handheld / more Smart TV having direct access etc…

They’re not spending billions on hardware that struggles to move 50 million units, as the Series consoles combined are tracking…..(worse if they cut this gen early and launch in 2026 as rumored).

Averyashimself194d ago

I may be uneducated but I believe that microsoft is playing the long game (knowing that PC will overtake XB).

Agent75193d ago

I actually do think Phil Spencer is not all there and lives in the Land of Cuckoo. For years, he's told plenty of fibs and seems clueless when it comes to Xbox. I for one won't be spending my money on the next Xbox console due to lack of games.

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crazyCoconuts194d ago

He also says there are diminishing returns on power now - pretty much rules out pushing more power unless there's something transformational going on. That rules out a XSX Pro and, if you think about it, rules out a new generation coming out in the next few years as well. In a prior interview he made it clear they're not going to release a $1000 console, so Sarah Bond's amazing leap in hardware can't be an uber console.
So what's left? Definitely a streaming stick, maybe slim versions of existing consoles, maybe a handheld (but I doubt it).
With Phil you gotta read between the lines imo.

MrDead194d ago (Edited 194d ago )

"Those people who were expecting Xbox to leave the console market and become a full third publisher just got their dreams crushed yet again!!!"

Remember when you used to be excited for games? It's a very different message coming from you now,.

Xbox isn't even MS's lead sales platform, Xbox is becoming more and more irrelevant to and should be sold to a company that wants to grow the gaming industry not consolidate it for a streaming service that has only benefited a handful of select extremely wealthy people at the cost of thousands of jobs.

Let pray that other platforms can keep the sales MS needs or it's even more mass layoffs.

thesoftware730194d ago (Edited 194d ago )

MrDead

"Remember when you used to be excited for games? It's a very different message coming from you now,."

You say that, then talk about,

Hardware(which is the main topic)
The industry
Streaming
Wealthy people
Other platforms
and then layoffs

Everything except games lol. What's even funnier is that he does talk about MS games, all the time, but that is not the thread topic we are on right now.

What's funnier than the last funny is that no matter what the topic is, I see you run through the same broken record comment about consolidation, industry...bah, blah blah.

Elda194d ago

Again...who are "We" You own MS/XB??

Obscure_Observer193d ago

Don´t worry. Not you.

You said many times that you regret your SX purchase and that´s your first and last Xbox console. So I´m not even sure why you´re here in the first place, but whatever.

__y2jb194d ago

Xbox are $80bn in the red and will never make a profit in our lifetime.

They have humiliated themselves and gone third party to try (and fail) to turn things around.

Their console sales are abysmal and getting worse.

The entire industry is laughing at them and just how bad they have run that business.

So yeah, chin up boy.

Reaper22_194d ago (Edited 194d ago )

Lol..Xbox has been profitable for years. Sony sells way more consoles but when it comes to profit and wealth Sony can't compete and they know it. Just look at what they tried to do to stop Microsoft from purchasing Activision. Shame on them. It backfired and now microsoft is the biggest publisher out there.

__y2jb193d ago

Xbox stopped reporting their financial numbers during Xbox one when it would have shown the world how bad they were doing. They still do this because things have gotten way way worse.

All that said, they have $80bn profit (note profit not turnover) to make before they can make a penny. So yeah, no profit within our lifetime, guaranteed.

StormSnooper193d ago

@obscure
Just because they release a console doesn’t mean they aren’t winding down console business. I don’t think anyone doubts that there will be another Xbox. The question is, how relevant it would be with MS practically moving on out of consoles. They can’t just stop releasing consoles, but less and less people will want to buy their consoles. It’s like cooking a frog in a frying pan.

Elda193d ago

LMAO! You really need to seek professional psychiatric help. You're always saying "we" as if you're in some XB cult or as if you own XB. Your fangirlism is completely out of control.

InUrFoxHole193d ago

@obscure
Same. I'm day 1 but the people who think MS aren't here to stay, console wise are only basing that off of MS's inconsistent and confusing messaging. You can't count on MS for excellent MP games and taking 2 steps back for every step forward. MS has always been MS's worse enemy. Gotta be objective man.

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Sonyslave3194d ago

Once that ten years contract is up oh boy

Einhander1972194d ago

Indiana Jones isn't part of that deal and it's coming to PS5...

https://n4g.com/news/263889...

[Call of Duty]"Almost 75% of the game's sales came on PlayStation platforms, with 15% on PC and just under 11% on Xbox."

So PlayStation sold 3x more copies than PC and xbox combined.

Yeah, in 10 years it's more likely that everything including Halo is going to be on PlayStation.

Michiel1989194d ago (Edited 194d ago )

in the uk yeah

Also this narrative that when Phil says something that fits your story he's the most truthful man on earth but when it's the opposite he's just a liar. Easy pickings

Reaper22_193d ago (Edited 193d ago )

The majority of the money is going to Microsoft either way and thats the bottom line. Microsoft was smart to buy activision. And Sony was smart to accept the deal because they know they need and want COD on their console. A win for them and a even bigger win for Microsoft because out of those 3 paltforms they own 2. I'm sure Microsoft wants Sony to keep buying the game while they keep it on their gamepass service which will continue to make money by having gamers continue their subscriptions.

And lastly you are inaccurate with the 75% of sales on playtation. 75% of the full price purchases came from playstation not 75% of the sales. But like i said before it's still a win for Microsoft. They are bringing in lots of money from playstation as well. I'm sure that's exactly what they want and predicted because the majority don't care as long as the game is good which it is. Money is money. Playstation, PC or xbox. It doesn't matter.

crazyCoconuts194d ago

If they were going that direction, they would be lining up a whole battery of games as exclusives. Why would they give away all their crown jewels now just so they can claw them back in 10 years? They're going the opposite direction obviously.

Kekewei194d ago

So you guys slogan "Just wait for next year" is about to be changed to " just wait 10 years later"?

StormSnooper193d ago

By then there will be a competitor that would take its share. Franchises don’t remain as relevant forever. Look at halo.

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Christopher194d ago (Edited 194d ago )

Why does the media choose the most known and boring bit of news to advertise in the title of an interview with a lot more being discussed?

darthv72194d ago

Oh come on now... this is no worse than the 'videogamer.com' articles.

Christopher194d ago

I don't disagree. But I still want better.

Obscure_Observer194d ago (Edited 194d ago )

Probably because the new (dumb) marketing piece from MS this week was a hot topic and sparked a lot of controversy among Xbox gamers on social media getting a lot of people worried on whether Xbox would continue to make Xbox consoles or not.

I swear, no company deserves Aaron Greenberg. Smdh.

Christopher194d ago

100% facts on that last sentence.

Petebloodyonion194d ago

Cause it makes ppl click on the said link?

Christopher194d ago (Edited 194d ago )

Opposite for me until I saw it was an interview. Otherwise, why would I click to see them say the same thing? Are you folk just clicking on the same news over and over?

Petebloodyonion194d ago

Honestly, I believe the interview title serves as Phil Spencer's direct response to the recurring claims that 'Xbox is dead' and to reassure Xbox users in light of the recent advertisements. Moreover, I agree that the rest of the interview is far more interesting, particularly with Microsoft's repeated claims that the Series X will not be their final console.

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Peter Molyneux recalls how Project Milo, the Kinect game with revolutionary promise, died a death

Vapourware can end up being the stuff of legend, like Rockstar's Agent, Star Wars 1313, or StarCraft: Ghost. Without ever seeing the light of day, these games never risked the possibility of being played and forgotten, and instead live on forever as the subjects of lengthy YouTube essays.

Still, Molyneux's most notable lost game (or tech demo, depending on who you asked at the time) was arguably Project Milo.

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darthv725d ago

I can see the potential of the kinect hardware... its rather impressive tech, but it was just not meant to be for gaming. If anything, MS had a huge missed opportunity to have used it for the AR/VR projects.

S2Killinit4d ago

Missed opportunity? They lied. It was the biggest lie in gaming history.

merlox4d ago

You can use the Kinect as an SLS camera for paranormal investigations. So it wasn’t a complete failure.

Cacabunga4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Remember Star Wars Kinect announcement? Biggest laughable acting seen

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rlow14d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Do you mean about project Milo?

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-Foxtrot5d ago

It was built on lies Peter...you know this.

isarai5d ago

Bro that thing NEVER existed, what we got was a concept video

Knushwood Butt5d ago

"Unfortunately, as we were developing Milo, so the Kinect device was being developed. And they realised that the device that Alex Kipman first showed off would cost $5,000 for consumers to buy.

"So they cost-reduced that device down to such a point, where the field-of-view...I think it was a minuscule field-of-view. In other words, it could only just see what's straight in front of you."

Hmm, exactly what tech was in it, that was cut, affected the development? It was only ever interpreting visual and audio inputs right? The xbox was processing those inputs.

Nor do I see how the field of view thing is relevant to the discussion.

isarai5d ago

Exactly! Tf kinda BS statement was that? i don't really see how fov is relevant at all, since when do you move all around a room while talking/interacting to someone?

Amplitude4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

This is entirely untrue. There was never a 5000 dollar Kinect prototype that could somehow use a wider field of view to scan and import generated in-game items and advance AI by over a decade. Anybody that fell for this was a stupid moron child, myself included. Anybody that falls for this lie now is a stupid moron child who doesn't realize that these people *only* know how to lie.

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Former PlayStation boss says 'stupid money' crippled the game industry

Shuhei Yoshida offers his take on the recent industry implosion and ponders whether there's light at the end of the tunnel.

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Jin_Sakai7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Greed crippled the game industry and other things I won’t go into.

DarXyde7d ago

Ironically, so did tech advancements.
New tech creates pressure to take full advantage of the power for people to feel a box is worth it. That expectation bloats team sizes (and by extension, costs) and to be more secure in a high risk-high reward project, they play it safe (which is why I think a lot of the industry is facing creative bankruptcy). Few franchises are proper exceptions because they're damn near entitled to a ROI.

But other than that? I'd say the adoption of Blu-ray in the PS3 kind of acted as the architect to some of the things some of us hate today. The decision to adopt it resulted in painfully show loading times because the drive was slow in the PS3. The result was mandating every console to have an HDD for installs, and Xbox 360 then discontinued those arcade models and every console came with an HDD. That adopted standard lead to a lot of games that were physical only to be available via download and that laid a path for digital distribution and the gradual death of physical media we're witnessing now. It was always going to be this way eventually, but it's hard to think that guaranteeing a HDD didn't lay some important groundwork. And now with crazy fast SSD storage and download speeds, it's gotten worse and now we're bloody streaming games via cloud computing.

Rage777d ago

Really great take on how we got to this point. Will add that the weaponizing/monetizing of the "console warring" concept, accelerated/facilitated all of your points. When you take what used to be simple bantering and jabbing between different fanbases and throw money/resources at it as the most effective marketing tool, instead of improving any areas that might add longevity to your products, you only improve sales while creating a destructive environment. Which now has come full circle. Gaming media/tech sites capitalized on this as well. So we now end up in a landscape where we get less for more, nobody is held accountable (unless you are Nintendo in which case, you will always be blamed for everything including world hunger) and what you now call and parade as "greed" to defend you own greedy company is years upon years of every asshat that has paid in $$$ what these companies get away with today, but yeah that "burn" or "you got ratioed" or "fanboy" this and that was worth it huh.

ZycoFox7d ago

It's also screwing over gamers with limited budgets for PC hardware, well Nvidia is trying to at least.

Knushwood Butt7d ago

OK, but what did Shu do about this while he was working in the industry?
If he felt so strongly about it, why didn't he quit sooner?
I'm honestly getting a bit tired of seeing this guy come out with all this stuff, week after week, yet he didn't seem to do anything about it when he was a prominent figure IN the industry.
*I got passed over for the CEO role and sidelined into an Indies CRM role, but I just sucked it up and did it for several years.* Great.

Lightning777d ago (Edited 7d ago )

"If he felt so strongly about it, why didn't he quit sooner?"

Jim Ryan held him and down and demoted him to Indy role as you pointed out. We all wondered why Shuhei was never put in charge in the past and everyone else seemingly passing him up in high position's. Everyone getting promoted except him. He also spoke up about the LS awhile ago then folded and was actually help make Concord.

If it's not making the most money and attempt to have conversation that maximize profit they won't promote. Why? Because Shuhei was seemingly for the ppl.

Despite his 80$ comment on games.

Knushwood Butt7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

'then folded and was actually help make Concord'.
Right, so once again he just sucked it up and went against what he thought was the correct path.
He also clearly didn't turn things around for Concord.
Seriously, if he felt so strongly about this stuff he should have quit ages ago; not just suck it up for years and then bitch about it to the public AFTER he quit.

zaanan7d ago

Agree.
It’s easy to armchair QB other people’s decisions, but it’s all speculation. Maybe he loved Sony and wanted to see if things would turn around. It’s also hard to leave a place when you have been there so long. You think you have friends who will help you out, until you don’t. The corporate world really is dog eat dog. Having obligations like family also makes you do things you may not want to do in a perfect world. But this world is far from perfect, and so are we. So I will cut Shu some slack.

Lightning777d ago

"Right, so once again he just sucked it up at went against what he thought was the correct path."

I mean yeah. He didn't have much of a choice. It was either go with what Jim wanted or get fired.

He went against LS but had to help with it anyway. Probably talked about all the bad spending that Sony was doing (and still are.) Corps don't want you to talk sense, they want to I to talk cents. That's goes for everybody.

Not sure why he didn't leave earlier he probably wanted to wait for the right opportunity to leave on a high note or leave on his terms. Much better than getting forced out.

Knushwood Butt7d ago

Yeah, and sure, leadership don't want anyone rocking the boat; they just want 'yes' people through the ranks, but Shu didn't quit and make a point; he sucked it up for months or years. Nor did he go out on a high note.
If he felt so strongly about this stuff he should have told Jim to shove it, and join xbox, but he didn't.

thorstein7d ago

At least he's talking about it and it's not just some anonymous internet person. That's why I posted his take. He was on the inside.

He knows better than most what's going on.

We live in a weird world where primary sources don't mean anything, evidence and reason hold no weight, but rumors and speculation hold the day.

Knushwood Butt7d ago

Yeah, agree in general, but pretty much everything he's said since he quit could have been covered in a 30 minute interview.
Next week:
In a new interview, Shu reveals that he knew factions was going to get canned months in advance, but was powerless to do anything about it so just sat back and kept his mouth shut (and getting a juicy salary).

SO71D7d ago

@Knushwood You don't work do you?

Knushwood Butt7d ago

I don't work for a corporation.

Outside_ofthe_Box7d ago

@SO1D

Was just going to say this. You can say this about anybody. Anyone on n4g that complains about greed but are doing nothing at their jobs to stop it... How dare you!

Knushwood Butt7d ago

@ Outside

It's not just greed though; it's flat out bad decisions and poor leadership, and Shu was one of those leaders.

Christopher7d ago

Because everyone knows you can really change the industry by quitting and being an outsider. I mean, his comments now aren't changing the industry at all. What would have been the advantage of doing it 8 years earlier?

Knushwood Butt7d ago

He didn't, and doesn't, have to be an outsider though.

And great job by him calling out all of this stuff in hindsight. 'The Embracer thing turned out to be a train wreck'. Was he predicting this as it was happening?

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Lightning777d ago (Edited 7d ago )

As gamers we also need to make it clear what we want. Do we want fancy RT and RT
shadows, global illumination etc? Oh that's right we have to do the internet thing and brag about all those things. What we need is innovative gameplay mechanics and deeper more dynamic story telling and reactive realistic worlds and characters imo. Emphasis on Innovative gameplay mechanics. Expedition 33 was made by a tiny group of 30 ppl. Not sure what the budget was but I know it wasn't no 400m$ project or nothing crazy like that.

They join the Baldurs Gate team for being independent and releasing great game with out corporate meddling and stupidly big budget's that kills jobs and studios. If more groups get to together remain independent and create games for gamers and fans this industry would be better off in the future. Again it's about getting away from big corpos because corpos aren't gonna change, ever, they're just not. Scary to be out on your own? Yes but high risk high reward again as we've seen.

anast7d ago

I like how they talk like this is a recent phenomenon.

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An Interview with Sassy Chap's Ray Chase

Ray Chase is a voice actor, cofounder of a game studio, and lead designer on their debut. Today we chat dateviators and the ideas behind Date Everything!

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