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PS5 Pro fans should taper expectations as CEO states its "not a next-gen" machine

PlayStation CEO Hideaki Nishino has urged fans not to think of the PS5 Pro as next-gen machine as the console nears launch.

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222d ago
JimBeans222d ago

Then why is it so expensive? People are expecting value from consoles.

TriniOutsider222d ago

Everything is expensive, dude; we knew this upgrade was gonna be expensive.

CrimsonIdol222d ago

No. We didn't. It is unprecedented to charge more than the console launch price for a mid-gen update. The One X and the PS4 Pro both didn't. Any hardware experts will say the component cost to Sony here isn't a whole lot more than the base PS5, which is half the price. Sure I expect them to tack on a bit but they're being particularly greedy here. But yeah buy it if it's value for money for you 🤷

mkis007222d ago

There only ever been 1 other mid gen update so saying "unprecedented". Is like saying something hasn't won the yearly championship since last year.

CrimsonIdol222d ago (Edited 222d ago )

Xbox 360, PS3, PS2 says hi. But I get what you are saying. Sort of. There's only been one (well 2. One X exists too) mid-gen updates where they've fundamentally improved things rather than making it smaller and cheaper. But perhaps you missed my point. We didn't "know" it was going to be overpriced and the only other previous data we've had suggests otherwise. The big shock at the price announcement from a vast number of commentators illustrates this.

DarXyde222d ago (Edited 222d ago )

CrimsonIdol,

I don't like this direction, but we definitely did know.

The fact that there has been no price cut on the base hardware years in, along with slim models dropping without price cuts?

We did know, or at least, we should have expected it.

I thought about it, trying to make sense of this approach from Sony, and I would say that the PS4 and PS4 Pro managed prices better because the hardware was nothing specialized. It was really standard hardware with an anaemic Jaguar CPU.

PS5 is an entirely different animal. I do believe we should have seen at least a $50-100 price cut to this point, and I'm sure that's just greed. I think the Pro could be $700 justifiably if they packed in a disc drive and made it fully backwards compatible with every PlayStation. That would have been easier to accept.

So we definitely should have expected a higher price than $500, but how much higher is debatable.

CrimsonIdol222d ago (Edited 222d ago )

Look I thought it was going to be $100 more than the standard disk model. Whatever that price would be. I guess whether that's expensive is up for debate but I, like many others didn't think it was going to be this much more expensive and we certainly didn't know. The tech news/leaks yt vids I saw was also shocked, such as Moores Law Is Dead, and he's usually got a pretty good insider scoop into these things and even their costings.

As it stands we got $280 more when you factor in the disk drive being taken out, or $300 vs the other non-disk drive model. The hardware update absolutely isn't specialised though dude. It was a drop in swap of the GPU with the same CPU. Just like before. The AI, PSSR and Ray Tracing is ALL a result of that GPU switch. It's just been sold as 3 things. In fact I'm not convinced PSSR couldn't run on the base model and they're just doing an Nvidia here with their DLSS new model gatekeeping.

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Babadook7222d ago (Edited 222d ago )

Obviously it’s not a next-gen bump. It’s a mid-gen refresh. PS ”5” Pro.

It’s up there and better than PS4s mid-gen refresh.

As for the price; tech hasn’t dropped as much with newer chip processes than any other gen. Ps5 slim is no cheaper than launch PS5.

CrimsonIdol222d ago

That first line is correct. Everything else is incorrect. It is highly comparable to the PS4 Pro in almost every way except price. PS4 Pro was objectively a bigger improvement over the PS4 in terms of performance. This isn't up for debate you can take it straight out of Mark Cerny's mouth when it comes to performance uplift. It's not even close.

mkis007222d ago

Crimson

You saying everything else after the first line is incorrect is also incorrect objectively; what is the launch price of the ps5 vs the price now? Both models.

CrimsonIdol222d ago (Edited 222d ago )

Haha wot. Launch price of the PS5 was $399 if we're talking about the one without the disk drive (which is only fair if the Pro takes it away). But if you want to compare the disk model then I guess it's $499 vs $779. I don't think you know what objectively means. These aren't opinions the facts are out there according to mark cerny the PS GPU is under 50% faster. The PS4 Pro's GPU was over 100% faster. Both of them doubled storage. What facts exactly are you contesting mkis?

Babadook7222d ago (Edited 222d ago )

@Crimson

You should probably read this again before claiming it’s false.

“As for the price; tech hasn’t dropped as much with newer chip processes than any other gen. Ps5 slim is no cheaper than launch PS5.“

Also you are cherry picking your critique of PS5 Pro vs PS4 Pro. PS4 pro had far less new hardware dedicated to up scaling. The actual result is a bigger visual improvement.

CrimsonIdol222d ago (Edited 222d ago )

Okay. I will concede some of that is true. I stand corrected about the launch price verses now.

CrimsonIdol222d ago (Edited 222d ago )

I would say you're cherry picking your bigger visual improvement argument too. I think the jump from 1080p to 4K (checkerboard/not full res or not) was a way bigger improvement than upscaled to 4K graphics upgraded to upscaled to 4K but slightly better, but yes this part is subjective. Pure performance uplift, the objective part, is definitely in the PS4 Pros favour.

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Father__Merrin222d ago

Impossible to get them specs for 399 or 499

S2Killinit222d ago (Edited 222d ago )

Its only $100 more than xbox series X 2Tb.
While it also has 2Tb hard drive.
And its way more powerful.

womij222d ago

Exactly, it's such a good deal for the level of performance it offers, especially when compared to what xbox offers.

I also laugh when people post these PC's they think prove their point but then you look at them and they have totally interior parts like slower 6 core cpus, memory that was slow ten years ago smaller PCI SSD's and gpu's that are less powerful with no warranty and the computer still costs more than the PS5 Pro. And they never have a controller, Bluetooth or any type of audio card and often don't even have KBM.

The fact is the PS5 costs the same as an equal power GPU alone but you get all he other stuff for free.

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Good-Smurf222d ago (Edited 222d ago )

It's an optional premium enhanced console, so they priced it accordingly not to mention the upgrades are much more what you'd get going from say PS4 to PS4 PRO.
Not saying losing disc drive is a good thing but as this being an optional console it's makes more business sense for them to make sure they make the most profit out of each PRO console sold.
Their main best seller will still be the standard PS5 as usual that right there is your value console.

Lexreborn2222d ago

People keep talking about how expensive the system is. However, they aren’t complaining about the price of the Switch which is 350 for a cleaner display, 300 for a base and the lite is 200 and this price point has held since the system’s release even with its diminishing return on game quality for 3rd parties and more.

People aren’t taking into account the series x just increased its console price for a color change and a memory increase putting the series s at 300, base 1tb at 500 and an additional tb at 600 no performance increase.

However, you got ps5 that’s releases an upgrade of their device that expands memory, technology and performance yet people are crying spilled milk over this? So, with PlayStation you demand enhancement at lower prices but with Nintendo and Ms it’s okay to have marginal increases at HIGHER prices?

But you think this standard is predatory vs the other? Sure 👍🏾

DeadlyFire222d ago

It's a 4k/8k device. It's going to perform better, and make things work better on bigger resolutions, but that's about it.

Sarcasm221d ago

Still crying about the price

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Blad3runner00222d ago (Edited 222d ago )

Not a next gen jump, yet the price is that of a next gen jump.
In comparison, when you jumped from a PS4 to PS5, you paid less and got a next gen jump.

Having said that, not much you can do about that since the CPU and graphics card are all integrated. It’s not like a PC, where you can just upgrade one aspect of it and only pay for that component (graphics card) and install it in your PS5. You have to buy the whole APU again, even though its the graphics chip thats the only thing thats really improved.

Mmmkay222d ago

Just upgrading your GPU costs twice the ps5pro...

Fishy Fingers222d ago

I think a 4090 is well beyond what most people consider a usual GPU upgrade :D

ZycoFox222d ago

Except mid range AMD cards seem to be doing decently in UE5 if on a budget, for a few hundred more than the PS5 Pro you could easily build a better system with a noticeable jump, like by using a more recent CPU that you could import cheap from AliExpress or something.

Fishy Fingers222d ago (Edited 222d ago )

Probably a bit of a misdirected quote, I get his point, its like an enthusiast level GPU, yeah it runs better and looks better, but at it core, still the same game/experience, just an option for those who the 'little' differences matter.

The unfortunate take, thats what a next gen system is going to mostly offer, at least initially. When the next gen launches we'll see years of cross gen games, cross gen support. At list point in this gen I could still be using a PS4/Pro and have 90% the same content a PS5 gave me.

Inverno222d ago

I mean we already went thru this with the PS4 Pro and it didn't exactly got as much support as you would've expected and the PS4 at the time had way more games than the PS5 has. I feel it'll be a repeat of the 4 pro and people will down the line say it was overall not worth it.

Eonjay222d ago

Not really sure where you have been. The Pro currently gets as much support as the PS4. It was slow to start which is true, much slower than we are seeing with PS5 Pro but it is supported even to today.

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Phil Spencer Teases 2026 As A "Really Special Year" For Xbox

2026 will mark the 25th anniversary of Xbox, and Phil Spencer has teased it as a "really special year" for the games division.

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TheEroica2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

You got downvotes by pathetic gamers for feeling hopeful about good games coming out next year. Imagine how small your brain must be to downvote someone excited for future gaming joy? It is pretty neat to see people's world view blow up in front of them as they realize Microsoft has put themselves in a driver's seat that Sony hasn't been able to touch all generation.... What's even more pathetic is the same people downvoting you are the same people wishlisting Microsoft games on their ps5s 😂

OtterX5h ago

Always with the "next year..."! 😂

neutralgamer19924h ago

I don't know they have delivered this year and even last year. And they have a lot more content in the pipeline right now than anyone else. We can't just keep hating on MS

Indiana Jones
South of midnight
Avowed
Flight simulator
Hell Blade 2
Minecraft update
Gears of war reloaded
Indian Jones:expansion
Gears E day
Clockwork revolution
Fable
Doom the dark ages
The outer worlds 2
Grounded 2
Call of duty

OtterX4h ago

How many of those titles were just buyouts of companies that were going about making their games anyways? *Throws cash - "Oh look what we made!"

dveio4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

This list, that's been posted again, and again, and again in every single topic like this, contains almost nothing, literally almost nothing from Microsoft's own creational thoughtprocess.

It's a bunch of former 3rd party IPs.

Now even slowly returning to Playstation in some cases like Indiana, Hellblade, probably Starfield soon too, after they were made exclusively to Xbox on purpose.

Due to Microsoft's lack for own IP material except Halo & Forza. Which, the lack of, was the sole reason for all of it to happen in the first place anyway. Please don't pretend it wasn't.

And just look at all the games that come from Obsidian alone.

You really think Obsidian wasn't already working on Avowed and South of Midnight even without Microsoft buying Zenimax?

Microsoft delivered nothing but cheques.

OtterX4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

@dveio THIS. Lol, this dude thinks Call of Duty wouldn't exist without Microsoft! smh 😂

neutralgamer19923h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Common narrative I see often — that Microsoft shouldn’t get credit for the games its studios release because they “just bought them.” But this viewpoint ignores key context and sets a double standard that other platform holders aren’t held to

No one is saying these games wouldn't exist at all without Microsoft. But let’s not pretend that having a trillion-dollar company backing a studio doesn’t make a massive difference. Obsidian never had AAA funding before the Xbox acquisition. Pillars of Eternity was crowdfunded, and their resources were always stretched thin. Now they’re working on Avowed, with proper support behind it.

Ninja Theory’s Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice was made by around 20 people, using borrowed equipment and doing mocap in a boardroom. It was a passion project held together by tape and willpower. Today, Hellblade II exists because they were given resources, time, and freedom — something many developers don’t get unless they’re owned by a company that believes in their vision.

ZeniMax (Bethesda’s parent company) was in real financial trouble before the Microsoft acquisition. Reports and insider accounts have pointed out how much they needed a cash infusion. And while some people want to write off Xbox’s ownership of Bethesda titles, they forget the alternative could have meant layoffs or even closures.

The same goes for Activision Blizzard. Would you really prefer the company to stay under Bobby Kotick, after all the documented workplace misconduct and toxic leadership issues? Say what you want about Microsoft, but their acquisition brought accountability and change to a company that desperately needed it.

At the same time, Xbox gets hated on for doing what every major company does. Sony bought Housemarque, Bluepoint, Insomniac — but no one says Spider-Man 2 “doesn’t count” because of that. Why does Xbox get treated differently for acquiring struggling or undervalued developers and giving them a chance to thrive?

And the idea that Xbox locks games away is outdated. They're pushing cross-platform releases, cloud gaming, Game Pass, and backward compatibility more than any other platform holder. They're not forcing all studios into live service. If anything, their upcoming lineup is less GAAS-heavy and more focused on narrative and creativity — Avowed, South of Midnight, Clockwork Revolution, Fable, Perfect Dark, Towerborne, and others show real variety.

Whether people like it or not, Xbox is now the biggest publisher in the industry and owns the most gaming IPs. But what matters more is how they treat their studios. Most of these teams were previously stuck making AA games with limited scope — now they’re getting the tools and support to aim higher.

So when people say “Microsoft didn’t make those games,” they’re missing the point. It’s not about who started the studio — it’s about who enabled them to do their best work. You don’t have to love Xbox to admit they’ve helped a lot of developers and are taking a player-first approach.

Instead of writing off everything they do, maybe try recognizing the good they’re doing for both devs and gamers. At the end of the day, we should want more studios to succeed — no matter who owns them

BeHunted3h ago

I'm surprised Clockwork Revolution (BioShock meets Dishonored) isn't getting more media attention. The game looks interesting and reminds me of the old RPG games.

anast2h ago

The only good game on that list is Flight sim. The rest are either average or will be average. It's not a good look for MS.

TheEroica2h ago

My god.... Look how many comments are upset about microsoft's successes... 😂 This may be my new favorite thread. Not one gamer saying thanks for all the goodness coming their way, just bitter anger and downvoting the very games they themselves will purchase throughout 2026.... Sony really worked you guys over this generation.... Condolences.

DivineHand1251h ago

@neutralgamer1992 You said what needed to be said.

I have heard for years from older gamers that fanboys are the biggest issue with any fanbase. They will defend or gloss over negative news as long as the correct logo is on the box and they bash the competing platform no matter how much good they are trying to bring.

Right now their advocacy for PlayStation is elevating that platform so high that Sony no longer believes they need to do anything to satisfy their loyal fanbase like they did in the PS4 days.

I just hope most of them will eventually start advocating for themselves and encourage others to do the same. No one should blindly support one platform because these companies do not care about anything other than profit.

neutralgamer19921h ago

Hunted

And first proper game done by the studio with proper AAA budget and saying it will be released when ready

Anast

I believe we went through this before that you are objectively wrong. Meta critic, user reviews, game sales. In Playstation top 10 best selling games were 5 from Microsoft studios

Otter

No this dude is saying so many other studios wouldn't be thriving without MS money and people would be getting abused physically and mentally with Bobby kotick and his side kicks

Also maybe look up how the original founder of Bethesda and zenimax was kicked out of his own company by his best friend lawyer. So that was always a shady place and had been struggling financially before MS paid a premium of almost 7 billion

Eroica

I use to be a die hard Playstation fan and now I only have a Pc. I see how these fans are so toxic. They just can't handle any positive news regarding Xbox. When the best selling games on playstation are Xbox titles. Look at Forza horizon being best seller and that's years old game by MS. I guess ms don't deserve credit for that success too since they are the only company in gaming making acquisitions

Forget the fact Sony paid 3.6 billion for bungie and MS 6.9 for zenimax. Which investment has turned out better

Destiny and marathon with a lot of controversy

While zenimax output is nothing short of amazing compared to what bungie has released

crazyCoconuts51m ago

Yeah it's tricky. "Xbox" has morphed to mean different things to different people.
Console, now Windows, GamePass, and the cross platform games. There's a mix of attitudes towards all those things individually, and maybe an overarching attitude towards MS. But can't argue that the game companies MS recently bought continue to flourish, and GamePass PC has been a great value over the last year.

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Lightning771h ago(Edited 1h ago)

They've had good output so far. So waiting for those games shouldn't be a problem.

Who cares if they're buy outs of companies or whatever excuse you want to make. They're games that are being distributed to other console. Play the games and enjoy it instead of fanboying or complaining.

ocelot073h ago

They going to be a he best and biggest publisher on Xbox, Playstation and PC next year. They not really said anything about Switch 2 though spite claiming to be big supporters.

quenomamen3h ago

If you call making one last Xbox before going full Sega, as Great. Then yea.

TheEroica2h ago

Doesn't feel like you're paying attention to what's happening.

RhinoGamer883h ago

It will be, his net work will hit 50 million and he plans to buy a new mansion in Cape Cod. Thanks everyone! #failup

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The Witcher 3 Immerse Gamepack — Product Introduction with Marcin Przybyłowicz

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Glen Schofield: Dead Space Wouldn’t Be Greenlit Today—Publishers Are Afraid to Take Risks

Sector sat down with Glen Schofield—creator of Dead Space and The Callisto Protocol—during the Game Developers Session (GDS) in Prague to discuss the evolution of the game industry, the current challenges of AAA development, and why it's become so hard to get original ideas off the ground in today’s risk-averse environment.

1nsomniac1h ago

It’s easy enough to say that, but why? It feels weird to me when developers say this but common sense would tell you everything about the idea itself should work.

The idea of the concept seems like a winner at whichever angle you look at it so why would publishers not greenlight it?

… it’s almost as if the majority of publishers are massively incompetent at their jobs. But there’s no surprise to anyone there.