Amaar writes: "Xbox failed Ninja Theory with the release of Hellblade 2, and while the game looks phenomenal, we know that doesn't always matter."
Get the latest data on sales and engagement for Hellblade 2, including its performance on Xbox and Xbox Game Pass.
Omg this is saddest article I ever seen. The person writing this must have felt terrible
Lol, I don't think people got my joke. I meant engagement in the console wars was still high! 😂
Trying to act like these are good numbers or what Microsoft was hoping for is indeed pretty sad.
They say it has the 12'th highest engagement on xbox,in the US but it never even crossed into the top 20 on xbox's own ranking system.
And either way 12'th on a day one high profile release on game pass doesn't sound great at all.
LOL!! Of course most folks with Gamepass decided to check the game out when it was released almost 2 months ago. The game was number 37 as the best selling game of the month of May which is really not that great. AAA exclusives should be at least in the top 5 or let alone in the top 10. The game is a borefest & the only folks that are still talking about the game are articles like this.
«Piscatella followed up by saying Hellblade 2 fell just outside the top 10 of the US Xbox engagement chart landing in 12th place just behind the resurgent Fallout 76.»
Wow!! Just behind the glorious Fallout 76!
Yeah dude, only took them 6 years. Defending 76 over here.. maybe you are the one in the cave
So the game had good engagement. But some on here are trying real hard to downplay it. Honestly, there is more important things in world then trying to attack a game you probably didn’t even try.
If we're going by engagement which is a dumb ass metric imo , it still didn't do that great. It did low end ok at best.
Also you right there are more important things out there in the world. Except this is a gaming website for gaming news and discussion.
He's talking about all the constantly downplaying that many do here when it comes to Xbox, even if it's good news. Though that's noting nee that's always been this site since I came on here anyway. Sony says they're going off of engagement. Is it still a dumb metric or is it suddenly good now?
Unfortunately that is the metric that both Xbox and PS are concerned with. An all digital future is almost upon us, love it or hate it.
As for the downplaying, @Lightning77 summed it up nicely. But to add, arguing a point is one thing, constantly saying nothing new makes one a resounding gong.
If your judging how well a game is doing on gamepass wouldn't you use engagement metric as you can't go by sales of the game?
Yea, but how many bullets were fired?
We need some hard data here, like bullets fired!
I agree we need the real data for eample....if the crazy girl has 150 mental breakdowns in the movie how movie viewers actually watched the movie long enough to see 10% of them breakdowns and how many thought "dumb" and moved on during the 1st breakdown?
Issue # 399 of Edge Magazine has been released, and it features reviews for games including Hellblade 2, Still Wakes The Deep and more.
Sure, but I'm still skeptical tbh. Walking sims or mechanically-light titles like it *can* receive beneficial scores from them on some special basis.
I’m keeping an eye on Still Wakes the Deep. I’ve beaten a few games by the Chinese Room before. The premise sounds interesting. ‘The Thing’ on an oil rig.
I could not play fir more than one hour ... got bored and un-installed.
Back to GOW on ps5 to get a platinum oh yeah !!
The XBOX publishing team has failed on their exclusives. Those Exec and Senior producers should be canned.
Noppe only the Xbox loving sites giving it 10 and 9's. But they always giving Xbox games onrealistic high scores....
Metacritic and opencritic for this game is in the 80's so no they haven't failed anything. Unless all those Sony games that scored in the 80's are failures too
Nearly 90% of Xbox players who have started Hellblade 2 haven't made it through the action-adventure game's short seven-hour runtime to complete its story.
Remember when games were fun and entertaining and not just pretty graphics? That might have something to do with it.
Yeah, that's one thing thats wrong in the industry today outta many things. Heard someone on here on the Lego horizon game saying its a kiddie game same for astro and they'll pass on them. Like these games are fun they might appeal to kids more but they are fun for all ages. Theres a reason why Nintendo games sell better its because they are fun and thats what Nintendo is known for. I feel people forget to have fun but instead play consoles wars and graphic wars. They are a lot of indie games that are fun just like Nintendo games but people pass because how it looks etc.
Nintendo usually focuses on making fun games that also happen to look good or have great art styles. Astro Bot on PS5 is a breath of fresh air in an industry ruled by GaaS garbage. Good platformers are rare these days.
And I’m sure I’m in the minority but I think Lego Horizon Adventures looks more fun than the actual mainline Horizon games. 🤷♂️
The Lego games aren't any fun to me as they have copied and pasted the formula for 20 years but I do enjoy a good platformer that brings back the golden age of gaming.
GamerRN
DEATH STRANDING
on PlayStation (PS4)
Thanks for Everything
Complete Episode 14: Lou.
22.9% of players unlocked this.
So, more than double (above average) and it's a much longer game with a lot more content
Death Stranding
Main Story40½ Hours
Main + Extra60 Hours
Completionist113 Hours
Only kids under 10 and hardcore Lego fans like Lego games..
I think Guerrilla totally lost it to make such games. They could have outsourced the project and given us something more serious..
No matter how it turns, people will buy.
@cacabunga
Guerrilla is not developing the game. It's a licensed LEGO game using the Horizon IP but Sony and Guerrilla are not making it.
I agree. Every lego game feels exactly the same. And some of the "puzzles" are incredibly obtuse. Hard pass. I'll take the real deal over lego. That said, my kids are into the lego games, so they'll probably have me play with them until I start drifting off to sleep.
The graphics are so overrated. So much of the graphical budget just went to rocks and other lifeless backgrounds at sub 1080p and 30fps.
You look at Horizon:FW and birds are flying around animals are running around everywhere while you fight packs of robot-animals and it's all at 60FPS and 1440p+. I don't care what anyone says HFW looks better and plays much better. And it's a whole open world not just little scenes covered in darkness to they can maintain framerate's by not having to process anything distant.
And the game has a nothiness story because the first game didn't need a sequel. So, HB2 just seems forced, which is exactly what it was. HB1 was tied to Sony, so Microsoft just wanted to steal a sequel to not put on PlayStation. That's the only reason HB2 exists, so Microsoft could have a game with ties to PlayStation they could keep off PlayStation, simply the most petty of possible reasons. And it shows.
That's what I said, the Lego horizon looks fun more then the OG. Not to say the OG isnt fun but its just I dont have the engagement idk what words to put it. I know returnal and other house marq games and isomniac games had that feeling of fun and engagement
I spent almost 150 hours on the HZD + Frozen wilds so I don't really get what you're saying. The reason I still have yet to sink more time into Forbidden West is because I still want to 100% the Frozen Wild trophies and I have been loving the time I spent with the game.
@badz
I think you'll love Forbidden West and Burning Shores as it just improved on a lot of things in HZD and Frozen Wild. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely enjoyed HZD and Frozen Wild, but HFW and Burning Shores was the icing on the cake. I hope they keep up the momentum for the next game.
Agree I recently replayed earthbound and fell in love with it again it's a basic looking SNES game but the gameplay and charm just gets me and really reminds me games are not about pushing pixels they should be fun and if they can also bring Joy that's great.
There's far to many games dealing with dark and dreary overly emotional depressing games like hellblade 2 that barely let you play the game.
I want fun more than anything these days
Or it's been a walking simulator majority of the time might have something to do with it as well. The user review scores on metacritic.com mentions that as well
So silly... The game was released on gamepass to millions of people... Use the math side of your brain and not the fanboy side.
Nearly 90% of Xbox players ----->who have started Hellblade 2<---- haven't made it through the action-adventure game's short seven-hour runtime to complete its story.
An Amazing Number of Players Have Marvel's Spider-Man 2's Platinum Trophy
https://www.pushsquare.com/...
According to current Trophy data, 20.3 per cent of players have earned the sequel's Platinum gong.
Over half of players have completed the main story — 58 per cent to be precise — which, again, is unusually high, but for a fifth of all players to stick around and complete all the districts and side content too is pretty astounding.
Still, a 20 per cent rate for the Plat is ridiculously high. As far as we can tell, the next highest first-party Platinum rate is for Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, which is currently at 12 per cent.
Most Sony exclusives have had a higher than industry average of 15-20 percent of their players complete the game both God of War's, Ghost of Tsushima and all three Spider-Man games as well as both Horizon games have fallen into this bracket, and they are much longer than 6 hours.
Edit: oh and btw HB2 wasn't even that popular on xbox, the game peaked at something like 23 most popular game
‘Hellblade 2’ Launches As The 23rd Most-Played Xbox Game, What Does That Mean?
https://www.forbes.com/site...
Hellblade II peaks at under 4,000 concurrent players on Steam
https://gameworldobserver.c...
Millions of gamers not playing the game. How are you arguing FACTS?! Lol.
10 million people could have downloaded it. That would mean only 1 million of that completed it. Do you even know MATH?!
When your story can be completed in one sitting and nearly 90% still didn't complete it, it doesn't bode very well.
I'm taking my time with it. I know it's a short game and all. I've been playing it at a half hour to an hour at a time before I go to sleep. I work pretty early so I can't spend all night playing. I think I'm pretty close to the end.
Was about to say that. It's almost as if people got bored with nice visuals and didn't find the game fun enough to continue.
The times we live in are sad compared to the golden era I was lucky to experience 30 years ago. Games were fun and were made to be played, not watched. Now all the big publishers and console manufacturers seem to be only able to discern two game genres. Multiplayer focused online game and story driven single player games.
Where are gameplay driven games?
I have more fun in VR while playing small indie games than I do playing big "story driven" AAA flat games.
To each of their own, but for me, fun and gameplay are the most important. Then amazing visuals. And then music and sound design. And then maybe humor and only on the last place - the story. I can get good story cheaper and more convenient. This is what books and movies do better. Especially with that stupid trend to pursue realism in visuals. One more hardware generation and it will basically be a movie rendered in real time. For 70€ and with "gameplay" instead of gameplay. And then those same clueless idiots will survey young gamers and conclude they only want competetive online multiplayer games.
I mean, I played River Raid the first time and within seconds I knew I want to play games.
A guy who never played anything besides multiplayer games, will check one of those interactive movies and walk away, seeing nothing interesting in it. For us, veteran gamers, visuals may be impressive cause we know the limitations. But for some newcomer? They have no idea about the CPU or GPU limitations. They will just see a weird looking "movie" with boring and lacking gameplay design and mechanics.
I'd like to say Nintendo will keep supplying good, big budget games focused on gameplay, but Nintendo is just a name of a corporation. When the old staff leaves...
Anyway. I sure hope Mario Kart 10 won't have any stupid career mode with 300 minutes of cut-scenes in it.
Usually games like that are launch games. Designed to showcase what a system can do. I’d honestly love to play HB2 but the digital only release blows.
I suspect Game Pass has something to do with this also. Being less financially invested in a product is a sure route to not caring enough to complete it. Also indicative of the audience that occupies Xbox, they bought the wrong studio for their platform. Which again will hurt Xbox.
By this day and age where even one-person indie dev can make stunning looking game.
It's time for them to re-examine and sorting out their priorities they could easily have the best of both worlds nowadays but nope still obsesses over at chasing photo-realism spent years over that just for one game and they lose the ability to make fun interactive and entertaining games.
The stupidity of the people present on this thread is absurd... trolling simply because this is a Microsoft game.
I just have to say this...
"Video games are enjoyed by millions of people around the world. The one thing that most of these gamers have in common is the failure to finish games. Industry experts estimate that a new game will only be completed by 10 to 20 percent of its players."
https://eu.indeonline.com/s...
(do trolls realize that their favourite games from their favourite plastic box are only completed by 10-20% of players)
Even then it's still a head scratcher because it's really quite short. I think its just lacking severly in gameplay. Its a sometime pretty art piece... sure
Looks like just PlayStation his have 80 percent or more who never finished them... Speaks more about the state of games these days...
You'll be surprised by the percentage of ALL players who never finish games. I remember seeing an article about the shockingly high percentage of people who never finished Spider Man 2.
"Diving deeper into the stats, we can see that only 52% of Hellblade 2 Xbox players made it past the first boss and unlocked The Next Sign achievement. You encounter Hellblade 2's first boss after about 30 minutes"
90% of players didn't beat the story and only about half beat the first boss. This is just baffling to me when you take into account how short the game is. Just, wow
I picked up The Order 1886 for $20 and played it around Halloween. It was good and I enjoyed it, but yeah not perfect by any means. The visuals were nuts.
In actually just picked up the order last month and man did it's time it was not judged fairly game is amazing
Yeah, that game was legitimately good and the story was going places plus the setting was fantastic.
And it was a really early gen game too, not like HB2 which is a mid gen game.
The crazy thing is this isn't even new. This has been a growing issue since gen 7. There have been countless great games where if you look at the trophy/achievement data only like 30% or less of players actually finish any games they play. It's kind of insane. I can sort of understand with open world games where player fatigue kicks in, but plenty of linear games like this never get finished. It's like players start games and then just move on to the next thing a week later.
While this is true for a lot of games, it's even worse when you consider how long Hellblade 2 is. I understand if a game is 20+ hours and you move on to something else a week later. But this game doesn't take a week to complete, it takes a handful of hours.
Agreed. Hellblade 2 isn't some extended experience. It can be beat in just a couple of nights.
A growing issue since Gen 7? It's probably not much different than before achievements/trophies started getting recorded tbh.
@Skuletor
I mean that it seems like the percentages have been getting lower over time since we've been able to track them.
Not baffling when you touch the game and realize it’s just a big cut scene. It’s not fun and it sucks so makes sense.
It's not that baffling. GamePass lets people pretty instantly click A on a game to start playing it, look at the graphics, say "whoa that's cool" and then go back to whatever multiplayer nonsense they usually play. You don't even need to download the game, you can just stream it for a sec. These numbers are a bit meaningless.
I do think being on GamePass was a major nail in HellBlade 2's coffin. Games on subscription services feel inherently valueless and I personally can never get into them.
This is the audience Microsoft has cultivated on Xbox.
I don't blame them for trying with acquiring Ninja Theory, but at this point, it's difficult to dispute that this is too little, too late.
You can't finish the game.. there is no "gameplay".
The funny thing is that the main character trained (in real life) for 2 years to fight with a sword, in a game where there is almost no fighting.
Click bait article. Who approves this stuff? Ninja Theory will be fine. The game is really good.vit seem m9st of the hate is coming from people who prefer playstation.
Do we have the numbers yet? Like what makes you say Xbox failed them?
Outlet: "9!"
Same outlet: "Publisher failed the game we gave a 9 to"
Make that make sense. The game is a 9 to you guys; the publisher let them make what they wanted and you guys like it.
The discourse around this game is weird as hell. It's like they just can't accept that Xbox made a banger.
Im sorry but... what? The sequel may be more of the same in terms of gameplay, but it also exceeds the original in the audio and visual department. It is essentially what a sequel should be. It continues the story of Senua and improves on everything that made that game what it was.