CDPR Lead Condemns Gamers For Comparing Starfield With Cyberpunk 2077

A CD Projekt Red lead has expressed his disdain for gamers comparing Starfield with Cyberpunk 2077 to support false narratives.

[Flawlessmic]

Starfield has launched in a wayyyyyyyyyyyyy better state than Cyberpunk did, I've barely had any issues at all.

Is starfield as great as we all hoped it would be, no it's not. its a average to good game which is disappointing considering how high my hopes were for this, but if I remove the hype and expectations and just look at what's there it's still a good game just not a great one.

[shinoff2183]

Agreed. Good game. Way way way better the cyberpunk released. I swear it seems cdproject is trying to rewrite history. It's not good when anyone does it whether it's politicians or game developers.

[VenomUK]

@Flawlessmic That’s a nuanced opinion that stands out from the people who only see things in absolutes.

[Ashunderfire86]

Well for one Starfield didn’t release on last gen Xbox One, which would have severely limit the game compared to Series S that is superior. Cyberpunk 2077 released with all systems, and it just wasn’t ready! A huge huge letdown! Every time when I was playing it on PS5, it kept on freezing! I sent that crap back to get my full refund!

[JackBNimble]

Venom
How is that a nuanced opinion?
The game was so broken you couldn't even play it and Sony even pulled it from the psn store.
Nothing like massRefunds am I right?

[VenomUK]

@JackBNimble some people are shouting that Starfield is the best game ever (a valid opinion) and some are decrying it as a huge disappointment (not many may agree but also valid). So the nuance is one person coming on N4G and giving their subjective opinion that the game hasn’t met their expectations built up by hype but that it’s still a good experience.for them. However, the fanboys and girls will not accept another’s view on a game simply because they personally disagree with it.

[patriz420]

I felt that way at first but with about 25 hours in my opinion has changed significantly from my first impressions, I'm having a blast.

[JeffGUNZ]

This. I liked it a lot when I first played it but now, 57 hours, I am addicted. I am in NG+ and exploring every planet/moon/system to 100% everything. The amount of cool things I am finding is insane. Game is great.

[PhillyDonJawn]

The game gets better and better as you go on. I personally don't recommend this game for those that don't have a lot of time to game lol. It'll consumer your life when you got important things to do. Or you'll drop it before it gets good

[dumahim]

I feel like I've had quite a few crashes while loading. They seem to come in streaks though. I can go a couple days with none, and then get a few within an hour. Also, the maps/fast travel screens are a bit odd. I'm 50 hours in and I just saw for the first time a zoomed in image of the planet that doesn't show any detail, but shows any nearby locations. Why did this just show up? And it doesn't always come up. Why? It's so much easier to fast travel. I also saw my fast travel from one system to another animate through the different levels of the map system it hadn't ever done before that I thought was neat. Only saw it once though. Might be for the better as it takes extra time to do that instead of just loading.

Other than that, it has been pretty solid. It still baffles me about the stuff they couldn't get to that should have been very simple like an FOV slider or gamma settings. Personally, I think the UI needs some quality of life improvements that seem obvious. There's a nice mod someone did that makes the space the items in the inventory take up a bit less and provides more columns for more details. They even include a DPS stat for the weapons since the damage and rate of fire is already there. I also really think there needs to be a way to mark locations as favorites you can keep on a list to select instead of finding the system on the map.

[dumahim]

Anyone wondering about the UI mod I mentioned, this is it.
https://www.nexusmods.com/s...

[Vx_]

both are bad buggy overrated overhyped boring games.

[Gwiz]

snickers?

[Daeloki]

For someone who doesn't like Starfield, you sure do find your way into the comments of every Starfield related post to whine. Maybe get a hobby?

[senorfartcushion]

And nobody lied before launch

[Crows90]

Idk the pc version of cyberpunk was all right. The rest of your comment actually applies to cyberpunk. Average to good game but failed to meet hype.

On that note how's the PS4 and Xbox One versions of starfield?

[MrDead]

Cyberpunk runs better with full raytracing on than Starfield without, they have screwed the PC release up. Digital Foundry were shocked at the disparity between AMD, Nvidia and Intel cards for a AAA title, this should never happen. Bethesda have ignored 85% of the PC hardware market.

[shinoff2183]

Oh gtfo. It runs better at release or 2 years after ?

Even if cyberpunk ran better at release the game was a broken piece of shit dude. Starfield is atleast playable without my ps4 crashing every half hour. I beat and platinumed cyberpunk on ps4 within release and it was a huge pile. I enjoyed the setting so much so I stuck it out. Cyberpunk is probably a fantastic game now sure but starfield has released in a better state no doubt. I've played both at release and starfield takes the cake

[MrDead]

Digital Foundry used Cyberpunk as an example of how poorly optimised Starfield is, Cyberpunk is one of the benchmarks for graphics on PC, Starfield is not even slightly close to being that. The fact that a very demanding game with full raytracing runs better then Starfield is shocking and that they ignored 85% of the PC hardware market on release is insane, there has never been a bigger disparity between graphics cards on a AAA game.

[Zeke68]

@shinoff Not hating but now I get the downvotes: "Starfield is atleast playable without my ps4 crashing every half hour."
And here silly old me though this was an PC/Xbox exclusive. You learn something new every day it seems ;)

[shinoff2183]

I meant to say xbox crashing lol. But refer to cyberpunk crashing my ps4 every half hour

Far as graphics they both looked straight to me. It's not always about the graphics dude. Game can be a graphical beast but if it runs like shit dhit it's useless

[--Onilink--]

The topic is clearly PC performance, not last gen consoles. Why even bring up PS4 Cyberpunk to compare?

Cyberpunk PC performance was and is better than Starfield’s.
The game has no business being this heavy without running a single RT feature.
We also know that settings that typically would imply its CPU heaviness aren’t doing anything particular to performance and its performance is actually dropping the more cores a CPU has, which is the opposite of what it should.

Its extremely poorly optimized on Nvidia (and literally non-playable on Intel), with cards performing 20-40% worse than they would be expected too (plus the whole discussion of lacking DLSS and XeSS)

The settings menu is really bad and lacking meaningful performance gains between graphics tiers (and basic options like FOV slider). That and their HDR presentation is awful (and also lacking menus to customize)

I’m loving the game, have well over 50 hours, but I also have a 4090 rig that just powers through poor optimization. And in terms of bugs or just being unplayable like many recent PC ports, Starfield is in a pretty good spot. But there is no denying just how badly optimized Starfield is for so many PC setups and Bethesda needs to step up

[FPS_D3TH]

Starfield on your ps4 huh? Try that one again but without the bs maybe?

[Crows90]

Nothing about cyberpunk was broken. Main story is better. Gunplay is better. Choices are better. World building is actually better as well...but that's my preference cuz starfield has good world building too.

Graphics are also better on cyberpunk...

Maybe cyberpunk had more glitches...that's a possibility for sure.

[Extermin8or3_]

Cyberpunk ran alright on ps5 and presumeably xbox series x too. The unplayable version was last gen.

[Profchaos]

To be clear df used cyberpunk in its current state for comparison we all know how bad it's launch really was.

I'm not in love with starfeild at all I like aspects of it but it's not my cup of tea however I'm not going to go out of my way and make frivolous claims it's still a decent game on PC where I played it.

Could things be Betty for the PC version yes, is it worse than cyberpunk at launch no

[MrDead]

Digital Foundry used it as a comparison because it shouldn't even be a thing, Starfield should be running far, far better then Cyberpunk because it's not even in the same ballpark when it comes to visuals. Cyberpunk is pushing full ray-traced reflections, light and shadows, higher quality models, denser crowds, literally more of everything at a far higher quality. Starfield is very poorly optimised.

[Sonic1881]

I'm still surprised that they got away with it. I mean what's the reason to invest in a Nvidia card if you can't take full advantage of it. No DLSS support 🤔

[gold_drake]

i agree with the cdpr leader,

starfield runs way better than cyberpunk.
the audacity of some people haha

[Stanjara]

They condemned me? Oh... I didn't know.
I'm condemned now.

David Guetta gets mad.

How about your shitty launch and fake advertising+ chosen reviewers hurt gaming industry.

Stfu cdpr.

That UE 5.3 better be running on that Witcher 4.
Hope it runs well.

[anast]

These games are not even in the same league and Cyberpunk has a better meta. They both cherry picked reviewers.

[jjb1981]

Starfield runs way better than Cyberpunk did at launch. I've had no technical issues with Starfield like my guns disappearing, not reloading, people gliding through the air, police spawning from thin air, etc. There is some jank but it's letting me get killed in a gunfight because my reload animation didn't finish. I'm sure Cyberpunk is better NOW but the audacity of this clown is off the charts.

[CrimsonWing69]

I like Cyberpunk way more than Starfield, if I’m being honest.

[anast]

Same. The DLC is coming soon.

[CrimsonWing69]

Yea I’m actually pretty stoked to hop back into it!

[Crows90]

Not surprising. When reviews came out the game was praised...up until the glaring issues of last gen reared their head...then it went from a good/great game to hot garbage...

Not sure how terrible optimization on last gen consoles makes the version that run good suddenly suck.

[Elda]

I like Cyberpunk 2077 gameplay way better but Starfield is ok so far. I have several gripes with the shooting in Starfield including the stamina running out when running & the traveling to planets is somewhat awkward but the side quests have been interesting so far. Been playing Starfield for 7 hrs now & so far I rate it a decent 7.

[PhillyDonJawn]

You'll bump that score to a 8 or 9 soon.

[Elda]

I'll see.

[BrainSyphoned]

NMS:We will fix this game ourselves
Cyberpunk: We will fix this game ourselves
Bethesda:We boast an amazing mod community that will produce improvements to our game (doing more in 24 hours than what we could in 7 years) from which we will happily steal content to port to console so we can sell it for Xbox gamers benifit (totally not our own).

[dumahim]

Bethesda PS: Oh, and those mods tools will be available next year.

[BillyCrystals]

I don’t care what that corpo slime thinks

[fsfsxii]

CDPR lead should stfu and focus on his broken promises and straight up false advertising.

[phoenixwing]

The only reason cyberpunk ran poorly was on last Gen consoles and the s. Pc wise cyberpunk was great and starfield runs like crap on over half of the gpus out there. I happen to own the gpu it runs well on but others aren't so lucky to have expensive gpus. Couple that with the fact only amd not Nvidia is truly supported you can see why he'd be upset. From a coding perspective cyberpunk had way more work put into it and forethought

[InUrFoxHole]

Oh wow I guess we found our new goal post. Let's Champion cyberpunk to down play SF

[RhinoGamer88]

As I mentioned in other posts, Starfield is good and will be great in time (3-6 months). What Starfield has going for it are the amazing modders and their work. Their efforts will completely transform the game.

The downside is the waiting to play the great version, I only get one playthrough due to work/life.

[anast]

You don't play games more than once?

[RhinoGamer88]

No, full-time job, family and sports.

[anast]

Full-time, job, family and sports too, But,I don't get it. Do you prefer to not play a game twice?

[mastershredder]

Funny, I condemn CDRP for comparing Cyberpunk 2077 with Cyberpunk.

[EazyC]

Cyberpunk was a steaming pile of shite when it launched. Even in its current state I don't really think it's a very good videogame.

I will NEVER forget the first day playing it on PS5. I remember laughing at how insanely disappointing it was. After yeeears of hype and massively positive previews it was surreal how awful it was!

I haven't played Starfield but I highly doubt it's even in the same league as Cyberpunk. I get the impression it's "good" but nowhere near the hype. Much like Fallout 4; a pretty good game but ultimately disappointing. Cyberpunk was a complete joke.

[Fonsecap]

I love both games, I made two cyberpunk playthroughs and 60h in Starfield, but I only start playing cyberpunk after the 1.6 update because before that it really broken, Starfield is not perfect but perfectly playable in its current state. Cdpr continues not to admit that cyberpunk launch was awful and it was their fault and they mislead players, that's not cool.

[Aaroncls7]

Wtv, man. People keep mashing Cyberpunk but that issue was only on consoles.
The game was pretty good on PC, at least I never had any mayor issues with CP2077.
And back then I had an aging (1080ti) GPU without any DLSS or RTX stuff .

No major issue with Starfield either, though I just read Digital Foundry's article saying it was optimized for AMD cards, a 46% performance difference from Nvidia. YIKES.

[Armaggedon]

This is what people do CDPR: They speak on things they do not know with the certainty of a god.

[Gwiz]

Cyberpunk2077 is technically a much more complex game and they were way too ambitious to make it decently work on the 8th generation of systems. (even the mid-gen was struggling)

Still not an excuse for the terrible launch, not excusing that for one bit.
On PC? where CP2077 was already much better than on consoles there's just no contest at all.
Starfield is really dated by comparison.

[GotGame818]

Uh, Cyberpunk was pulled from the Playstation store, it was so bad! Come on now. Starfield is decent so far.

[Zeke68]

Starfield was pulled from Playstationstore too, by M$
/ jk or not really
;)

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

Judging by the comment section here, 90% of N4G readers don't possess the basic reading skills to understand the article but didn't let that stop them from commenting on it. A CDPR developer comments on how some members of the gaming community are using "fake criticism" to attack Starfield and N4G readers post idiotic comments like "how dare he talk about Cyberpunk and Starfield - CDPR sucks!" He is basically saying that Cyberpunk 2077 sucked at launch and anyone comparing details between the 2 games are just doing so to make Starfield look bad.

[TheColbertinator]

I like both games and I see myself returning to them both again and again. They had heavy expectations and I don't see either one having flawless launches.

2077 crashed on me a dozen times in the first week. Starfield has crashed 4 times this week. Glitches are plentiful even though both games had decent early performance in frame rate.

[FPS_D3TH]

One game chose not to be on PS… the other got removed from PS…

[Tedakin]

Comparing a game that was the most broken overhyped garbage ever at launch that's had 2 years of updates with a game that's been out 5 days is pretty unfair. :)

[PRIMORDUS]

Poop💩

[sadraiden]

Such strong language over something entirely inconsequential. Who cares if some plebs online compared your game to someone else's?