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Redfall (XS) Review | VGChartz

VGChartz's Lee Mehr: "What damages Redfall more than feeling corporate-inspired is simply... it not bringing the goods. You can incorporate some neat concepts, which Arkane Austin did, and I can appreciate them to an extent, but my patience will eventually vanish if the game proper consistently fails in its execution. Even if inevitable updates arrive, it just morphs to a supremely unconfident title that's outclassed elsewhere across solo and cooperative play. The grocery list of problems, from storytelling to open world design, are so extensive that it seems more humane to drive a stake through this beating heart – if you can find it."

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jznrpg724d ago (Edited 724d ago )

People are excited for Xbox show. But MS management doesn’t know the difference between great games and bad games most of the time.

They got lucky Tango Softworks was working on a small project when they bought Hi Fi Rush but still that’s a small budget AA game.

I’d bet a good amount of money that MS is going to mess up a decent amount of these studios they keep buying. If they couldn’t grow the ones they have and have them produce quality how can they handle 30-40 studios ?

Sonic1881724d ago

I still think they will have a decent show. At this point they really have no choice

anast724d ago

They will have a decent show because they lowered the norm of expectations.

Bathyj724d ago

How many shows have they had where we said this is it, they have to deliver on this one, only to disappoint?

I'll answer that question with another question.
How many shows have they had since Kinect 1 was announced?

just_looken724d ago

Na xbox can pull a kinect and leave console behind become a sega

Everyone forgets all the time that xbox owned by Microsoft that makes over 33 billion every 4 months.

https://www.forbes.com/site...

maniacmayhem724d ago

Why do people still say things like this when it's common knowledge that Redfall was inherited by MS? The game was in development well before MS purchased the studio.

And MS has grown the studios they have, what makes you think they haven't?

"how can they handle 30-40 studios ?"

The same way EA and Activision and every other similar conglomerate out there that does the same.

repsahj724d ago

So now Redfall was just inherited by MS? yeah right.

maniacmayhem724d ago (Edited 724d ago )

So what do you believe the right terminology would be?

Or do you truly believe MS commissioned Arkane to develop a PS5 version then just decided to cancel it just after Arkane's purchase?

MadLad724d ago (Edited 724d ago )

If great games (Wasteland 3, Psychonauts 2; etc) were in early production at the time of the studio's acquisition, Microsoft had no hand in the quality of the release.
If crappy games like Redfall, which were in production prior to the acquisition, Microsoft was the main element in why the game was so bad.

I'll get the same crap from the same people I always do for making a comment like that, but people know how this place works.

Asplundh724d ago

So with Hi Fi they got lucky with it because it was in development when they bought Tango.

But Redfall which was also in development when MS aquired the studio, is MS fault.

I guess if Starfield does great it'll be because it was in development before MS bought Bethesda, but if it does bad it's because MS mismanaged it.

GamingSinceForever724d ago

What should be concerning is that MS thought Redfall was worth pushing but not so much Hi-Fi Rush.

coolbeans724d ago (Edited 724d ago )

One of the key rules to N4G posting is "heads I win, tails you lose."

@GamingSinceForever

You're baking in an unfair assumption based on marketing decisions. It's practically a given in any industry to constantly remind people of the big, AAA thing that's about to release.

anast724d ago

I don't understand why people are building up HIFI Rush. At one point Golem and HiFi rush had almost identical player counts. HiFi Rush is a better game of course, but no one really liked it.

coolbeans724d ago

@anast

"At one point Golem and HiFi rush had almost identical player counts."

Bruh... do you really think it's fair to compare one of the biggest meme-games of the year to a shadow-dropped action game? Absolutely insane reach.

Bathyj724d ago (Edited 724d ago )

If it's doing great they don't have to do anything and it turns out good then you're right it has nothing to do with Microsoft.

If it's doing bad however they should step in as the company owners and do something about it. That's the difference

Redfall is Microsoft fault because it was in trouble from the start and no one wanted to make it and Microsoft did nothing about it. It should be been cancelled. Instead they chose for it to be their one more thing with an impossible to achieve CGI trailer. Remember that? How all the fanboys thought that it would look that good? Seems ridiculous now.

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Lightning77724d ago

"They got lucky Tango Softworks was working on a small project when they bought Hi Fi"

I been saying this for well over a year now. If it's bad then it's MS fault, if it's good MS had no hand in it. Despite the fact the fact MS had no hand in Redfall, Hi FI or Starfield. It's a super predictable fanboy narrative that I saw coming a million and millions of miles away.

You mean like how Redfall was in development before MS bought them? So what are you talking about exactly?

GamingSinceForever724d ago

MS had the power to kill Redfall or further delay it. Sony recently did that with Factions 2 or whatever Naughty Dog was working on and they got hammered for it. In the end of the game releases and it’s great people will then understand why delays are a good thing.

Asplundh724d ago

We've seen it before, tho I think this the first time I've seen someone use both narratives in the same comment.

Lightning77724d ago

"MS had the power to kill Redfall or further delay it."

Why son you can yell "MS cancels games and destroying studios" you don't know your own behavior but I don though. In alternative universe you and everyone else is here is yelling just that. Don't even pretend to be sensible if MS canceled the game lol.

"Sony recently did that with Factions 2 or whatever Naughty Dog was working on and they got hammered for it. "

Wrong the game isn't cancelled there is a small amount of ppl working on it but it's definitely not cancelled.

@Asplundh I think so to now they're contradicting themselves in one comment. It gets worse and worse with them.

GamingSinceForever724d ago

I said “kill or further delay”. I then concluded with once the game comes out people will understand why the decision was worth it.

Comprehension is key. Make sure you do that before responding.

Lightning77724d ago

@Gaming I said “kill or further delay”.

You also said Kill. Which means to cancel. You still would be yelling "xbox destroys studio" even if they delayed it that wouldn't stop you ppl from having fanboy remarks regardless. Not like it matters no amount of delays would save the game according to reports. Except maybe getting it to 60 frames, bad game design is bad game design, no matter how you slice it. Delaying it again wouldn't of done anything.

GamingSinceForever724d ago

I will give you a perfect example. The Last Guardian was displayed on the box of my PS3. It didn’t come out until years later on the PS4 and the rest is history.

If you played the game you already know that it is considered a classic. No one talks about the fact that it was delayed an entire generation any more because what we eventually got was well worth the wait.

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P_Bomb724d ago

What’s with all the 17g achievements? Odd number.

coolbeans724d ago

One way to ensure cheevo hunters strive for 100%, right? ;)

SullysCigar724d ago

Blimey, this review's a little late to the party. Only telling us what we already know at this stage.

coolbeans724d ago

Better late than never though, right?

SullysCigar724d ago

Sure - I guess on the flipside, if people were not around during the initial review rush, they'll be glad of the later ones.

maniacmayhem724d ago

Redfall is proof that sometimes a company should just stick to what they know best.

maniacmayhem724d ago

Arkane doesn't release games? Please do tell.

Hofstaderman724d ago

I am referring to their owner.

maniacmayhem724d ago

Oh? Well yeah, I'm positive it's common knowledge that MS themselves don't release games, it's those darn studios they have under them that does the work.

darthv72724d ago

^^the owner is zenimax / bethesda... MS didnt come into the picture until later and even then were hands off. What point are you trying to make exactly?

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coolbeans724d ago

Emphasis on the "sometimes" though. I enjoy those out-of-left-field ideas from a team that's seemingly out of its depth. It's when that drive feels so corporate-pushed that the likelihood of failure dramatically rises.

lukasmain724d ago

Case in point: Horizon Zero Dawn. Thinking back, how crazy and offbeat was this game idea after Killzone? So glad they decided to risk it for the biscuit lol

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Concord, Suicide Squad, Fairgame$ And ‘Vibes-Based’ Failures

Paul Tassi: "Sony recently reiterated its commitment to live service games with one big hit last year (Helldivers 2), one big cancellation (The Last of Us Factions) and one big failure (Concord). It’s no great surprise it is continuing down this road, given the way the industry is trending and the limited shelf life of its famed single player games. But it immediately made me think of a game that Sony is allegedly releasing that I have to believe is pre-destined to fail, Fairgame$."

Alos88149d ago

Fairgame$ feels like it's destined to flop out the gate- that initial trailer felt full of that same instantly-dated 'fight The Man with a ragtag team of weirdos' energy that was prevalent in Sega's Hyenas (which they wisely cancelled.) Unlike Marathon I just don't see this standing a chance.

Nacho_Z149d ago

It will definitely flop, missed the boat by a couple of years. Agreed that Marathon has a decent chance of succeeding it looks genuinely good and interesting.

It can't be sustainable having all these expensive GaaS being DOA being balanced by the odd modest success like Helldivers. The aim is to find the new Fortnite or whatever but it's highly unlikely and seems to be a massive waste of money.

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Concord and the Other Biggest Flops of This Generation

Some of the biggest success stories in the history of gaming have happened during this generation of gaming. At the same time, some of the biggest flops in the history of gaming have also happened during this generation of gaming. To this end, a few games particularly stick out as, unfortunately, disastrous flops for those who made the games, sold the games, and ultimately, for many that played the games.

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ChasterMies266d ago

What a strange, short list. There have been many more games that arrived DOA, were never released, didn’t make their budget back, etc. Why cherry pick these games? Is this list based on the size of internet hate boners?

EternalTitan266d ago

These flops have a similarity that you may not be allowed to point out.

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127maXimus266d ago (Edited 266d ago )

Skull and Bones gets my vote, at this point just completely remake AC Black Flag. If the Concord developers had made the game free to play, and toned down the in your face messaging via the mods and design choices, this game could have been serviceable eventually. I never understand why pandering to 5% of your audience and giving the finger to the other 95% seems like a good idea to these people. They never seem to learn. Disney has lost 1/3rd of its value and they keep doubling down on political messaging. I don’t get it.

BlackTar187266d ago

Some of these companies are paid huge amounts of money to do this stuff. They get truck loads of money to give “the message”
By blackrock and vanguards and multiple other venture capitalists even though it’s been proven over and over they fail.

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Redfall's final update, which adds an Offline Mode, is available and it's 16GB in size

Arkane Austin has just released Game Update 4, the final patch for Redfall which is 16GB in size and adds an Offline Mode.

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PassNextquestion366d ago

I'm not interested in this game but i think it's great they added the offline mode for those who are.

darthv72365d ago

It was okay at first... once they added the performance update it was definitely better.

TwoPicklesGood366d ago

Bury this turd. It’s only good as a reminder of what devs shouldn’t do.

mkis007365d ago

I hate the concept of an announced final update.