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Forget Forspoken, Atomic Heart's Dialogue Might Be the Worst of the Year

Twinfinite: "Maybe it’s the overly abrasive, macho delivery or the incessant vulgar banter, but Atomic Heart’s dialogue is incredibly memorable for all the wrong reasons, and it made my eyes roll more times than I can count."

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BandarHub460d ago

Not true...at all
The game is very much self-aware.
When I came across Nora for the first time, I never laugh so loud.
Basically, it's like High on life...You either laugh or hating it people you hold certain views.
It's sad to see people's personal view impact a score of a game so much.

Tacoboto459d ago

Forspoken had a black woman saying annoying shit. It got called out. Atomic Heart has a white dude saying annoying shit, it's getting called out.

People don't like hearing annoying shit you can't avoid in video games especially when the context isn't right for it. And for all the marketing this game is getting at the moment, High on Life would be the last thing it looks like they're trying to say this game is like.

InsaneChronos459d ago

> People don't like hearing annoying shit
After reading RetardEra I can tell that these "people" that you mention don't like video games as a medium.

ravens52459d ago

"Forspoken had a black woman saying annoying shit. It got called out. Atomic Heart has a white dude saying annoying shit, it's getting called out."

Lmao Forspoken got review bombed and sits at a 64. Atomic heart is at 77. All that was talked about in reviews of Forspoken is how bad the dialogue was and look what it got for that. I've seen one article talk about how bad the dialogue in Atomic Hearts is. I wouldn't bring the white and black thing up cause it could certainly make a case in this situation lmao...

savedsynner459d ago

Yeah, both games really show how important having a likable protagonist is. And by likable, doesn't mean they are the classic good guy, just they don't grate on your nerves...there's a reason you only had one Devil May Cry made from Ninja Theory, because that Dante was pretty annoying.

Sgt_Slaughter459d ago

"You either laugh or hating it people you hold certain views"

Way to demonize everyone who doesn't like this, that's not how any of this works at all

Christopher459d ago

Reviews are literally based on people's personal views... Aka opinions.

BandarHub459d ago

You misunderstood.
By personal view in this context, I meant viewing things from a political and ideological lens.
Nowadays games are being judged through that lens and which lowers the score, leading to unrealistic verdict for a game.
On the other hand, I am also reading some reviews of the game that score this game badly purely on the basis that the studio is Russian.
A game needs to seriously offend, and blatantly preach hateful messages to be given a bad score. And also the reviewer can choose not to publish the review it they find it problematic in their view.

Christopher459d ago

***You misunderstood.
By personal view in this context, I meant viewing things from a political and ideological lens.***

No, you didn't properly voice your thought.

***A game needs to seriously offend, and blatantly preach hateful messages to be given a bad score. And also the reviewer can choose not to publish the review it they find it problematic in their view.***

Nah, reviewers can review however they want and we can have an opinion on how they do it. That's how it's always been.

BandarHub459d ago

"No, you didn't properly voice your thought."
"Basically, it's like High on life...You either laugh or hating it people you hold certain views."
What do you think I meant when I said when people hold a certain view? It's kinda obvious isn't it. We are talking about a controversial game.

"Nah, reviewers can review however they want and we can have an opinion on how they do it. That's how it's always been."

Never seen a series of reviews that outright voice a political side in an opening statement. Hogwarts Legacy reviews had a statement about JK Rowling and Atomic Hearts had one about the Russian and Ukraine war.
Both of these examples are subject to interpretation.
Some people will say that JK Rowling is a transphobe based on what she said, she merely stated a fact. There is a gross misinterpretation and a small minority of people are judging a video game based her views. A 1/10 from The Wired is proof that Jorno Reviewers are severely out of touch and don't review out of merit or being impartial. Other reviewers deducted points just to penalise the games score.
For Atomic hearts the Russian hate that the game is getting. We don't even know the facts about the studios and what their view on the war is but despite that it is being reviewed low.
Taking a political and ideological side most definitely affects the view of the game.

Christopher459d ago

***What do you think I meant when I said when people hold a certain view?***

Obviously not "...things from a political and ideological lens."

Crows90458d ago (Edited 458d ago )

If that was the case then there would never be a general consensus on any game. The fact that many can agree on certain elements of a game being good means that it's not opinion based. If we can all agree that the sky is blue it's not an opinion although I know scientifically that might very but I think you get the point. There are opinion aspects of review for sure but there are also factual aspects. The best chef in the world could make you an incredible dish and you still may not enjoy it because you have your personal preferences. However that doesn't stop it from being an incredible dish.

There are objective aspects to a review and incredibly subjective ones. Unfortunately most reviewers seem to focus on purely subjective aspects in a review. That's why they roll their eyes so much

Christopher458d ago

***There are opinion aspects of review for sure but there are also factual aspects. The best chef in the world could make you an incredible dish and you still may not enjoy it because you have your personal preferences. However that doesn't stop it from being an incredible dish.***

How can you say there are opinion aspects of every review and then act as if those get ignored? My enjoyment of a game is going to affect its score, no matter how technically well done it is.

People act like we're not human. We are. That's just how it goes. We are going to have our opinion impact our work where applicable. That's who we are. We're not robots.

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-Gespenst-459d ago

"It's sad to see people's personal view impact a score of a game so much."

First time reading a review, eh?

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Orchard459d ago

That's cute, but no. Forspoken is miles worse than this.

SurgicalMenace459d ago (Edited 459d ago )

Forspoken has an inner city black woman who acts like many of them do. I gather you've plenty of experience. Atomic has a militant who's acting like many of them do. Neither are an issue when viewed from their source of inspiration. Nothing more, nothing less.

Orchard459d ago

Nothing to do with her gender or ethnicity, or the actor. It's purely the narrative writers fault.

SurgicalMenace459d ago

Because you've got an abrasive, smart mouth, ethnic woman of your own to gain understanding from, huh? I do, along with an abrasive, mouthy, ethnic mother to compliment her. Has nothing to do with race or gender... Where else did they draw their inspiration from? You just talk for the sake of doing it.

Those not used to their presence are finding her more annoying than those who've grown accustomed to them due to a lifetime of exposure. Much like my dad being Special Forces, you grow accustomed to their militant vernacular, which includes bravado, excessive swearing, and the ridicule of the sensitive nature of civilians. It has to be what you think though...🤷🏾‍♂️

Orchard459d ago

A lot of words there, and yet, none of what you wrote means anything when it comes to if the game is good or not, and if the protagonist is annoying or not.

Forspoken is bad, we've known that for a while now, no amount of social issues, goalpost moving or cope will fix that.

SurgicalMenace459d ago

Orchard, anything on PS5 is bad to you, no goal post or whatever other BS you said needed. There are many who are enjoying both games outside of your empty opinion of them. Lastly, we weren't even discussing the quality of the game, but the susposed annoyance encountered in the verbiage of the protagonists.

Orchard459d ago

And yet, the viewpoint isn't exclusive to me. A lot of the reviewers mentioned the same things. It's sitting in the low 60's on Metacritic for a reason - and not because of me, I am not a reviewer on Metacritic.

porkChop459d ago

As someone who comes from a European background, has many smart mouthed women in my family, and is also friends with people of various ethnicities who lived in really shitty areas, nothing about the dialogue in Forspoken is natural. That's the main problem. Yeah people swear and can have abrasive personalities, but in Forspoken it felt jarring and unnatural and unnecessary. Her character could have swore a lot, made little snarky comments and jokes, and that all could have worked if the writing was better. That's where the writers failed, and hopefully they can work on that for the sequel.

As for Atomic Heart? Yeah, he does swear a lot and he has a very macho personality. I don't think it's as jarring as Forspoken but it certainly could have been written a lot better as well.

I think ultimately what it comes down to is that for the most part gaming needs better writers. It really does. A lot of really interesting stories and premises don't quite come together because the writing often isn't there to hold everything up. But a lot the best writers are unionized. So until the gaming industry unionizes these issues likely aren't going to go away.

shinoff2183459d ago

Porkchop

When you say European background do you mean white or live in Europe

porkChop459d ago

@shinoff

I mean Portuguese. The culture known for its loud, vulgar, and mouthy women lol. Am I not ethnic enough for you? Last time I checked ethnicity has nothing to do with the colour of your skin.

SeTTriP459d ago

I beg to differ, I'm black and from a inner (south side chicago) and it's cringe in real life, now you want to promote the cringe as if it's somehow empowering women when it's not, and no man worth the title should find this behavior even remotely appropriate.

Boss bitches is a huge proponent of why black community is none existent.selfish, entitled, with no accountability for their action on the world at large.

SurgicalMenace459d ago

Black women are the way they are. Is it acceptable, no, but it's reality. If Kevin, Tate, Myron, Pearl, etc. can't reach them, you just watch as they degenerate. Not sure where anyone implied empowerment, but people interperet as they will. Is she annoying? Like any abrasive, mouthy woman, I ignore her to focus on what I do enjoy. The combat is too dope to even care what she's talking about. Forespoken is just New York's version of Narnia.🤷🏾‍♂️

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andy85459d ago (Edited 459d ago )

Have you played it? Forspoken's dialog on the whole is good. Especially the story. Don't judge off YouTube or a demo. Coming from someone who spent 60 hours on it I can definitely say it isn't bad.

Sonic1881459d ago (Edited 459d ago )

4 hours in and the game is boring to me. But not complaining since I'm playing it on gamepass. I had a lot more fun with Hogwarts Legacy than this game so far but that's my opinion

CrimsonWing69459d ago

Man, that’s a bold statement, but I’m willing to take the Pepsi challenge on that.