Final Fantasy on Xbox was once but a dream, until the Xbox 360 generation saw Square finally start to show Xbox some love. Now, it feels like that spell might have run its course... have we seen the last of Final Fantasy on Xbox?
I hope not. Regardless of this whole "it's how business works" I firmly believe that games should eventually make their way to as many gamers as possible. Make it exclusive for a year, then pop that bad boy on other platforms, limitations depending (I don't think most AAA current-gen games are designed for downgrading to Switch, sorry Nintendo).
Imagine a world where PS5 games are a one-year timed exclusivity and then go to PC and Xbox and vice versa. We would have so little to argue about then. Life would be so much easier. Consumers would win.
onisama, how about you stop crying about it, and actually buy their games? IF you actually buy their games they would see absolutely no reason to keep exclusive to the other platforms.
Then what's the point of buying consoles at all if we're just going to get the same games in the end? Exclusivity encourages competition, and competition brings out the best in companies because it gives them reason to strive to be better and put more effort in their games than they would normally do.
I usually balk at the idea of putting faith in massive corporations to do what's best for consumers because of competition (usually it's a race to the bottom), but I agree, when your business is selling fun times, you have to make your fun time as different as possible from the other guys' fun time.
Ehhh I see a few flaws in that what usually strives a company to do better is profit. Also that only idea also only works for 1st party, 3rd party companies should want to get it out on most platforms if they can. Could you imagine if that idea of exclusivity worked on graphic cards like a game would only run on a certain brand and they said it brings out their best. All that really to say consoles I believe are just more so about ease of use and a set mark for companies since tech is always advancing.
The same point in buying different desktop products, laptops, TVs, etc.?
And why would competition lessen when games are competing against games, not games locked to hardware competing against other games locked to hardware against third-party games?
funny that you encourage multiplatform Ips turning to exclusivity when sony does it (silent hill street fighter final fantasy and many square enix games spiderman ...) but wil havily critisize when Microsoft is firing back....being on this site is fun because i can see all the weird species
How many studios who are now owned by MS will produce games for PlayStation? Besides any games which were already Sony had a contract with?
What about all the studios that Ms bought before zenimax?
Let's go recently besides COD do you think next Diablo, crash, Spyro etc will be on PlayStation?
And the reason I asked those questions is very simple:. Once this fiasco with Activision is over Sony will go on a shopping spree. They may not have $70 billion to spend but they can smartly spend $20 billion and end up with square enix, Capcom and Sega
Me can survive and thrive without Xbox but Sony's success depends on PlayStation. That's why they will want content. If you are a Xbox fan would you be okay giving up games from square enix, Capcom and Sega for what Ms would have acquired?
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spend 20 billions....bro you know that sony is on 2 trillion $ of debts....sony have a income of 7.8 billion yearly...sony cant spend that much maybe if square is gonna sell for 4 billion they may go for it...sony better stick with buying exlusivity for games and rely on laws to protect their leads because without laws Microsoft is crazy rich (72billion income in 2022)
you don't know what you talking about, they have more than 10 billion to spend on acqusitions even after spending 3.6 billion on bungie and 256 million on insomniac. What you are referring to is called long term debt. and yu may have missed the point where playstation is more important to sony than xbox is to ms. square enix is a done deal and capcom is next. Only reason all this is on hold is because this would be the worst time for sony to announce they are buying anyone
That will end. Microsoft path will change gaming, not for the best. The pay to win strategy it's their last card to stay relevant, but will have a deep impact. There is only one thing Sony and Nintendo Can do not lose major 3rd party ip...
i think this activision deal will have very severe ramifications on gaming landscape. these xbox fans who are defending this today will be the ones crying foul when others are bought out
SE just had another flop with Forespoken, the list of flops is growing and growing they will need all the money they can get. Or the will be asking for a lot more money from Sony for deals.
@babadivad it may actually be more work them we think. Aren't all series x game supposed to work on series s? If so they would have to spend time optimizing the game to hardware 1/3 of the power or face backlash and criticism. From that perspective is it worth porting a game to a system that has a significantly smaller following? Even if they made money is it worth the time and effort?
There is a few flops (not counting forspoken in that yet). But FFXVI and Rebirth are shaping up to be the best in years. I expect them both to smash sales
I think is more of a matter of support. The Xbox community doesn't support these games that much and so the publisher sees no value in creating a version for Xbox.
Underrated comment. Xbox in general curries far less favor with the Japanese/Japanese enthusiast gaming market. Xbox owners who also really want to play FF are a small group.
@ Bab, if that were the case this wouldn't be a hot topic discussion right now, would it? Reality is unless SE puts it on GP, no one will buy it, which then causes MS to have to pay more to secure future releases. Just ain't worth it. Doubt me? Why don't ya tweet some head honcho at Sega and ask how copies of the Yakuza games they've sold since the series debuted on GP and MS consoles.
We hear the same statement every time. Xbox owners don’t play FF or Japanese games. But every time we hear that statement (it’s a lot). Nobody ever gives hardcore data. As though their word is good enough. If you make a definitive statement then you need to back it up with data.
Well there is the fact that many Japanese multiplatform games and series that appear on Switch, PC and PlayStation skip Xbox altogether. Series like Legend of Heroes, the Atelier games, the Ys games, etc. There has to be a reason they release on all platforms except Xbox. I think it's a cycle. Not many Japanese games release on Xbox, so gamers who are into those games get another console, so they sell even less, and so on.
That may be true for the more niche RPGs and Japanese cultured centric games. But it's not true for the more successful Japanese games that have crossed over to Western audiences.
Namco, Capcom and Sega continue to bring their games to Xbox. Square is definitely a Japanese developer who's FF games fits in that category of western appeal also.
And in this case, if Square thought that this game wasn't financially viable to release on Xbox, then why would Sony pay to keep for exclusive rights?
There is STILL sales and money there, but each generation it got smaller and smaller, to the point where the costs may not be worth it overall? Just like Playstation is not the system for you if you wanna play Halo, Xbox is not a FF system. The difference is brand loyalty as opposed to ownership - the exclusivity deal is really just icing on the cake.
Even the article talks about everything but actual support and sales.
People can sprout "All games need to be on all consoles(except Xbox games)" all they want, but this is a business. It takes money to make these games and companies are trying to make their money back.
7 remake showed PlayStation fans will support and buy final fantasy games day one, while most Xbox fans aren't going to touch it unless it's on Gamepass.
Now with Gamepass, Xbox gamers don't even buy games anymore, they just wait until it's on Gamepass. For an AAA publisher, that's bad and even less enticing for them to port it. Add the fact that japanese games don't sell very well on Xbox, it means Japan support for Xbox is going to drop further.
I have gamepass and I buy far more games than I used too.
One thing people don't realize about GP is it's not just "free games". Just having the service is like always having a sale going on in the store.
Even games that aren't currently on gamepass, if you go to the marketplace, click in deals(accessible simply because you're subscribed) there's often hundreds of games listed at huge discounts.
I have been playing and buying more games than I have time. After I beat Horizon, I have been burning through my insane back catalog of games on Xbox.
Honestly, game pass is the reason why I have bought FAR more games on Xbox than Playstation.
The service is amazing and well worth the price asked IMHO.
Except Xbox own reports show a steep drop off in 3rd party sales. That's straight from Xbox/Microsoft themselves. It's not what you perceive. It's FACT
"Microsoft says that even though Game Pass subscriptions and first-party titles did numbers during the quarter, those gains are offset by a decrease in third-party game purchases."
And yet Square continued to put the main FF series on the system. I always see these comments saying this and while they may sell more on PS, they also still sell on Xbox.
We have already seen Square post disappointing earnings and that's with games on both systems. It can't just be all about Xbox support if this is the case.
In this instance for Final Fantasy it's definitely Sony paying to keep the game off Xbox
then why put all spinoff games on Xbox instead of the more popular one? Final Fantasy 7 Remake is not on Xbox nor will Final Fantasy 16 and FF7 Rebirth (atm) but Final Fantasy 7 Crisis Core reunion is... I wonder what would sell more on Xbox? The most requested remake, The next main game in the franchise, or a PSP remake?
Majority of Xbox gamers don’t support buying any games anymore . They’re expect everything to be on Gamepass now so I could see how more games will skip Xbox at launch at minimum and possibly just skip it altogether . Having the Series S hurts them also having to make 2 versions that won’t sell well anyway and it will depend on the checks from MS , Not all games will be this way but I do think more will consider PS/PC only in the future
Final Fantasy is a brand now. It used to be a standard, but now it's watered down and overleveraged. They are mid action games these days, barely resembling JRPGs and barely resembling what made FF exciting in the first place. Xbox players should be demanding more original IPs that can be turned into legacy exclusive franchises, not the meatscraps from the filet mignon that Sony and Nintendo already dined on.
I don’t believe so. Look at Persona and NieR Automata. It may take a generation, but I guarantee you at some point they’ll dump them all on Xbox at once.
It doesn’t make sense that they’d release Crisis Core Reunion on Xbox and not include the Remake.
Whoa, I didn't say things sell well on that console.
But the fact still remains that at some point it will show up. Maybe even when there's a FF VII Remake Complete Edition with 1-3. It could be a generation from now, but look, Xbox has Persona 3 Portable (a PSP Exclusive) on the console now.
My point is that things generally need to sell for Square to want to input cost to make an Xbox version. If they don't even make the threshold to break even then no it won't be out for Xbox any time soon or ever.
Well things sell enough for Square to put their games on the platform. The only reason you’re not seeing FF7 Remake and FF16 on Xbox is because of deals made with Sony.
Xbox has gotten DioField, Star Ocean, and FF7 Crisis Core.
Things like Valkyrie Elysium and Valkyrie Profile Lenneth have some deal with Sony, but we Don’t know if it’s timed or full exclusive.
The other thing you have to realize is Crisis Core Reunion was specifically released to tell Zack’s story so FF7 Remake would have more context and give people his backstory, which will be important for Rebirth.
I feel like you wouldn’t just release a PSP exclusive on Xbox or Switch without knowing at some point the full story will be release on everything. It just seems weird otherwise.
I've got no issue with ff on xbox. I'd say just leave it off switch though or mostly whatever Nintendo is doing cause it's under powered. I'd rather not see it get dumbed down.
Sad thing is multiple final fantasy games were released on the XBOX platforms but the sales were abysmal. Thereafter Square went with the platform that had the sales. It’s called business.
It's a business. XB needs to get a 3rd party multiplat developer to develop an exclusive game for its platform instead of buying a whole 3rd party multiplat publisher.
It is. And since Sony is making disgusting exclusion agreements to prevent third party games ever comes to Xbox, do not expect MS to play fair with them.
You got it backwards. Microsoft started their acquisition spree 5+ years ago. Sony made these deals to compete instead of purchasing developers and publishers at the same rate as Microsoft.
I don´t need to. Facts speaks by itself. Sony will get what they deserve. Fire against fire. Glove´s off. It´s simple as that.
@Shadowsteal
"You got it backwards. Microsoft started their acquisition spree 5+ years ago. Sony made these deals to compete instead of purchasing developers and publishers at the same rate as Microsoft."
Nah, dude. Sony has been doing it for a long time, since the PS1 days. They did the same thing to prevent FFVII to come to others platforms, among many many titles back in the day.
Since nor SEGA or Nintendo had the amount of money Sony had at the time, SEGA was merciless crushed as Sony made almost all third party games exclusive to Playstation. They didn´t had to do that. SEGA was third at that time.
Now they´re facing a company that can fight back and harder. And I don´t pity them a bit.
I hope not. Regardless of this whole "it's how business works" I firmly believe that games should eventually make their way to as many gamers as possible. Make it exclusive for a year, then pop that bad boy on other platforms, limitations depending (I don't think most AAA current-gen games are designed for downgrading to Switch, sorry Nintendo).
Imagine a world where PS5 games are a one-year timed exclusivity and then go to PC and Xbox and vice versa. We would have so little to argue about then. Life would be so much easier. Consumers would win.
Unless Sony buys SE, it will end up on Xbox.
SE just had another flop with Forespoken, the list of flops is growing and growing they will need all the money they can get. Or the will be asking for a lot more money from Sony for deals.
Final Xbox Fantasy?
I think is more of a matter of support. The Xbox community doesn't support these games that much and so the publisher sees no value in creating a version for Xbox.
Final Fantasy is a brand now. It used to be a standard, but now it's watered down and overleveraged. They are mid action games these days, barely resembling JRPGs and barely resembling what made FF exciting in the first place. Xbox players should be demanding more original IPs that can be turned into legacy exclusive franchises, not the meatscraps from the filet mignon that Sony and Nintendo already dined on.