Nintendo loves to think outside the box with their game consoles but should the next Nintendo console prioritize more powerful hardware?
the sales and overpriced games say no people will keep supporting it looks like
Exactly, some of us would like them to come to modern times but they are doing just fine what they are doing with $ wise, games, awards etc.They sitting there with popcorn watching the drama of you know what going on around it.
They aren't watching or even aware of anything but counting money stacks. Even if somehow one of their executives glanced at a gaming blog they wouldn't care in the slightest. As long as the $ keeps rolling it they don't see, hear or care about anything else.
Maybe. The Switch was impressive when it came out because no portable was pushing anything like that. Seriously, it ran Doom and The Witcher III, albeit with cutbacks, portably. That was unheard of. Now, we have Steam Deck and Ayaneo. In my view, it can be less powerful if* it is a true, natural evolution of their hardware. If it is pretty much just a more capable Switch, then yeah, they really need to pack much more power into it. It would never happen, but if Nintendo partnered with Valve to allow Steam on Nintendo's next device, that would be legendary.
Switch was never impressive. By the time it launched in March of 2017 The Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 was already in some smartphones and the Samsung Galaxy S8 was less than 2 months away from launch. I showed Alien: Isolation running on my personal Samsung Galaxy S8 about a year ago now on Android 9 I showed GRID Autosport even earlier. Those two Feral Interactive ports are effectively the best looking games on Switch even outdoing the PS4 and PC versions with some settings! But even that being considered their smartphone ports are even better! On top of that... GRID: Autosport and Alien: Isolation were never top teir games really pushing graphical boundaries of any kind, there's no reason why Alien: Isolation does not run at native 1080p60 on base model Xbox One's and PS4's they were originally made and released for PS3 and Xbox 360 even their PC demos looked bland at the time they were planning a PS3/X360 launch... just plain old Sega stink on that release. Codemasters made GRID Autosport in 2014 for PS3, Xbox 360 and PC... Why did they do that? No one knows! So neither title for as good as they look on Switch were stellar looking on their OG target HW. Meanwhile today just 5 years after Switch's launch you have games on phones running at higher resolutions than most PS4 and Xbox One games at 60FPS with better settings... like Alien: Isolation and maybe Fortnite at this point and that's basically all for now, but critically they wound up looking better on phones day one of Switch's launch than they did on Nintendo Switch.
One thing I realized after getting a Steamdeck after 5 years of switch heavy duty usage, is how much money I can save with Steam Sales in comparison to switch sales. Nintendo first party never offer over 30% percentage discount and their sales are not that frequent. Even worse, not all their games are on sale each time! Therefore you must wait many months if not years for a specific game to be on sale and only at 30%. In addition all third party games play better on Steam Deck and enjoy frequent and better sales. Mortal Shell only just released on Switch suffering a huge downgrade and is already at sale on Steam Deck (superior version as well) for 7,49 euros. Numerous examples like this one. Witcher 3 cost 9 euros on Steam during sales, whereas on switch it cost on sale 20 euros despite being significantly worse as a port. So yes I agree that the value proposition of the console has diminished and it now serves as indie and first party console only.
Welcome to the PC ecosystem. I always talk about how sales had on PC storefronts, as well as the fact you're not forced to pay money just to play online really does shoot down the idea that console gaming is so much cheaper than just going PC.
Thats just Nintendo store sales sucking, I know ps sales is about equal to steam sales or you can find physical sales of the games being cheap. Like my walmart has cyberpunk at $11 was $5 at bestbuy, RnC ps5 I got for $16 at Wal-Mart, and last year nioh collection ps5 was $7 while ps4 was $3. Epic games stores on the other hand be having free games every month. Anyways I looked into mini pcs and now looking at different pc handhelds for many many things, steam, epic, emulation, mobile, remote play etc steam deck or other is good 2nd system for me.
@Blackblades, Agree fully, Nintendo Eshop sales suck, during the 2 years of the height of the pandemic was pretty good for Nintendo store sales, frequent sales were abundant and included alot of games. Now they're back to being stingy, I also agree that alot of PS store's sales rivial Steam's sales, normally there's only a few dollars difference between the two for the same games. At one stage I was deciding between getting a game as a portable for Switch or getting better graphics (PC/PS4), now alot of those games are just going to my Steam wishlist until I finally get a Steam Deck.
@blackblades There's many legitimate storefronts that undersell even Steam. Even when they're actual Steam keys. They'll sometimes have keys for console platforms, but they're few and far between by comparison.
You aren't going to see MK8 for sale on Steam. 1st party Nintendo games are the main reason to even own one.
I think the bar when it comes to hardware with Nintendo is so ridiculously low that any improvement will feel like a win. It's sad but finally they Switch is clearly hurting game development. Bayonetta 3 deserved MUCH better hardware. We also never got the virtual console we deserved.
This is why I just emulate their stuff anymore. I grew up with and loved Nintendo, but it seems like they don't even try any more. They want minimal effort and maximum profit. The Steam Deck emulates most Switch games better than they actually run on Switch hardware even.
emulation is the way to go imo if you want the max out of your game purchases for the Switch. IF you buy the games of course, not going aarrr...matey!
@badz I legitimately buy the games I want to emulate and then gift them to my niece and nephew who have a switch.
Ummm isnt that the whole point of doing a next console?
It should be.
One day they will truely join the 8th gen.
I think if they tried, they could match at least the base PS4, power wise.
that's the most they will do for the Switch successor. to at least match the original PS4
Performance in anything portable will always be limited until we see significant improvements in battery technology. The hardware itself in the Switch was very competent at the time, but it was down clocked so heavily due to battery life. People who modded their Switches to run at full speed saw huge improvements in framerate, resolution scaling, playability, etc. But the battery life was next to none.
I suspect it will be a handheld / docked console like the Switch but be powerful enough for 4K visuals on the TV. So I think we're still a good few years away. After disappointing sales of the Gamecube, they had to innovate for their next console and they did so with motion controls on the Wii. The Wii U made the jump to HD but the controller wasn't the innovation they thought it was to sell the console. So the Switch combines the motion controls from the Wii (in the Joycons), improved HD graphics over the Wii U, and it's also handheld whilst also a traditional console through the TV. Perfect, a decade of Nintendo hardware innovation put into one console that's sold over 100 million units. So were do Nintendo go after the Switch? Making it non handheld / portable would be a mistake, getting rid of motion controls would be a mistake, so the next logical step is 4K graphics (on the TV anyway), in which case producing a handheld console that's powerful enough and affordable is still a few years away.
How often did any games use those motion controls on Switch? How well were those controls regarded? Why would their next console need to be portable if most people play at home anyway and you can use the other consoles via streaming when out and about. How would they achieve 4K graphics in a portable form factor much less at Nintendo's 60FPS when the far bigger technology giants can't because that technology just doesn't exist. You really think Nintendo will be able to do that in 2023 or in the next three years? I don't see it.
I want them to concentrate on more powerful hardware on the console front, and just go back to also making a separate handheld. But it's modern day Nintendo. They know they can release cheap to produce hardware, sell their games pretty much full price an entire generation, and everything will still sell insanely well. But this will just be generation 4 where they build everything around antiquated hardware and hope it resonates with people anyway. They're 2/3 right now, so.
They were never thinking about power. Just go watch redgaming tech. Nintendo could had launched a much more powerful switch with twice the power, but they went for the weaker possibility. That didn't effect the success of the switch because nobody expects that they can set any standard in graphics, animation and effects. Nintendo just need to launch an 1080p/60 frames oled switch pro and it will be a huge success and very cheap to make! They will be doing money from consoles sales day one.
Super Switch/Switch 2, same console, Tegra Orin/Ampere with DLSS, NVME PCIE4.0, 10GB LPDDR5, $299. Will get all XSX/PS5 ports and portable. +100M sold again.
Let's say Nintendo comes out with a new console in 2023-2024 would it be a big ask to just match ps5-xsx specs or at least be in the same ball park
Yes, that's a big ask, I strongly doubt they'll be in that ball park.
It's a huge ask, they don't make generational leaps. I mean the Switch is barely more powerful than the Wii U and I would even say the jump from GameCube/Wii to Switch was more like a generation. Next console being in the ballpark of a PS5 would be a huge ask, seeing as it be like jumping 2 generations in terms of power.
No. People will buy whatever garbage they are serving. They should keep selling cheaply made and overpriced products. There is no reason not to do so. Their customers are happy with this agreement.
Of course it does and will. But it will not be anywhere on the level of the new consoles. It will be a more powerful version of the Switch.
The next Nintendo system doesn't need much. The OLED with its gorgeous screen, sturdy stand, and improved speakers are exactly what I wanted from the original Switch in terms of form factor. That the OLED keeps the same 5-9 hour battery life is another plus and spells good things for the future, as that chip is able to run with that battery life after not being iterated upon since the Red Box Switches in 2018 or 2019 (Nvidia's had crazy gains in efficiency on their newest chips) But the two needs are huge *musts*, not just needs: 1. Joycons. They feel cheap and fit cheaply - whether it's the left one that feels slightly loose, or the right one with a squeaky analog stick, or both when they start to drift in ten more gameplay hours. 2. Power. Almost any mobile hardware in 2023/2024 should be able to hit a 720p60hz refresh rate without heavy compromise to battery life on Xbox One S quality software and 720p30hz on One X quality software. Bayonetta 3, as said by talocaca, really hurts being on the Switch. Platinum knew the bounds of the system but clearly ignored them. Half is Platinum's fault but the other half is just... when you have studios working on the PS5 and Series X, they have to turn their technical prowess back down to the same technical capabilities of the Xbox 360 and Wii U. That's on Nintendo for continuing that reality without enforcing acceptable standards for release.
Yes! Why is this even a question?
I have the OLED model and yeah, they do big time. Been a Nintendo fan since the NES days and, I'm just flat out tired of them always downplaying the power of their consoles. We have much more powerful handhelds that can emulate the Switch perfectly not to mention the ROMs are a joke to get. Besides that I'm also fed up with Nintendo always trying to take down everything, like for example the whole Nintendo Power collection (Which I have and can supply the torrent magnet link) that was up on Archive.org. I mean they will never make the magazine again yet they want it down. So I think I'm going to just wait until their next console is out and hacked and just buy a powerful handheld PC and get the games for free. Nintendo has lost my support because of their asinine shit they keep doing.
History would say no. Nintendo fans are happy having the worst console every generation.
They buy for the IP. I would say weakest hardware; not necessarily worst. I can't exactly take my PS4/PS5/Xbox out wherever I go. That said, we can now emulate Switch games better on the Steam Deck than they actually run on the Switch hardware, and that's pretty sad.
To be fair the NES and SNES were quite powerful for their time, never owned a NES (had a Master System) but i did own a SNES and a lot of other machines.
Even the N64 handled 3D better than what the others were doing 3D when it released. GameCube was a middle ground between the PS2 and Xbox. They only started going with weak hardware with the Wii, which was basically a slightly upgraded GameCube.
No, it is Nintendo, so I expect a minor upgrade and that will be good enough to play the Nintendo games. If it is a hybrid it will sell no matter what.
If the next gen Nintendo console doesn't provide specs at least the Pro/Xbox 1X, assuming it will be a hybrid again, count me out. I say that, but Nintendo has worked magic, on under powered hardware. Honestly, I would love to see what could be accomplished in 3D Mario game, Zelda, MK9, Xenoblade, Eternal Darkness, Hyrule Warriors. Even with last gen Pro level power.
they tried that on the gamecube and wiiU, but it didnt succeed. For me what nintendo is doing right now is fine, there are other alternatives if you want raw power like steam deck, ayaneo, etc. Or you can pick PS5 for next gen console or PC.
I want better online functions like a party chat system, message a friend system and drop that dumbass long code to add a friend.
The kids are getting older and smarter, and Switch is a toy.
They need to but they won't. Because they could probably put out even weaker hardware, but add a new gimmick and the fanbase will still buy it.
With a family history that goes all the way back to 1889 and creators of loved games like Shigero Miyamoto. Nintendo is the largest game company by revenue. With vast experience in the industry and very deep pockets that allow them to take their time and spend wisely. Truly no company today is in the same league or position. They can release a switch pro tomorrow and it will sell out immediately. They are both hated and respected. It's pointless to dictate what they should or shouldn't do. They will do what they want always according to what's best for them. They are not even consumer friendly and it doesn't matter. Because they are synonymous with quality. When you buy a Nintendo product be it hardware or software you know you getting something good without question. Even if it disappoints on some level we applaud them for trying because usually it's on a product they tried to innovate the industry with like the first wii. Soon after we are salivating for the next Mario, Zelda, or metroid. Even now we are waiting with glee and excitement at just what it is Nintendo will release. It's an amazing and powerful position for a company to be in.
I preditc a switch on steroid, something between ps4/ps4 pro or xbox/one X. It will aim 1080p/60 portable and maybe upscale 1440p to 4k on some games or ultra quality 1080p/60fps while docked.I doubt they will get back to a simple couch console , their formula is perfect like this.I personaly really like our switch.Even if their cross game are alway lagging behind, their exclusive are so great and unique.
Nintendo is always going to be Nintendo , the last time they focused on power was with the GameCube but even with that the storage they decided to use was horrible.
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the sales and overpriced games say
people will keep supporting it looks like
One thing I realized after getting a Steamdeck after 5 years of switch heavy duty usage, is how much money I can save with Steam Sales in comparison to switch sales. Nintendo first party never offer over 30% percentage discount and their sales are not that frequent.
Even worse, not all their games are on sale each time! Therefore you must wait many months if not years for a specific game to be on sale and only at 30%.
In addition all third party games play better on Steam Deck and enjoy frequent and better sales. Mortal Shell only just released on Switch suffering a huge downgrade and is already at sale on Steam Deck (superior version as well) for 7,49 euros. Numerous examples like this one.
Witcher 3 cost 9 euros on Steam during sales, whereas on switch it cost on sale 20 euros despite being significantly worse as a port.
So yes I agree that the value proposition of the console has diminished and it now serves as indie and first party console only.
I think the bar when it comes to hardware with Nintendo is so ridiculously low that any improvement will feel like a win.
It's sad but finally they Switch is clearly hurting game development. Bayonetta 3 deserved MUCH better hardware.
We also never got the virtual console we deserved.
Ummm isnt that the whole point of doing a next console?
One day they will truely join the 8th gen.