Why The Killzone 2 Hate?

Article on Killzone 2 media hate and bias.

"For those of us that have been waiting diligently for Killzone 2 to arrive in stores (and we won't be waiting for too much longer) we would undoubtedly have been following the progress of GG's latest FPS offering, Killzone 2. Having read previews, browsed forums and read impressions of the game something seems to stick out like a sore thumb.

Killzone 2 is a solid First Person Shooter experience, with a highly addictive multiplayer, but something else seems to be brewing, hate. yes you read that right Killzone 2 hate is everywhere, there are people who simply want to tear Killzone 2 apart for reasons I don't know."

[Why o why]

and scorches retinas

IF this was a 3rd party game that went multiplat there would NOT be a fraction of the hate. IF this was on the 360 exclusively we wouldn't hear the end of it in terms of 'teh graphics'. Nothing looks and runs as smoothly as Killzone 2 at this present moment. Even with those graphics they can still get 32 players in multiplayer. .. How many games can do that?? Stop the hate guys as you will be witnessing the next level with the release of killzone 2.

[HighDefinition]

It`s the game that puts the 360s capability`s to shame w/o a doubt.

[Danja]

Because now everyone who said Sony & GG couldn't top the E3 Trailer has to now eat there own sh!t and we all know how horrible that must taste...so they're just angry...

[v1c1ous]

maybe if they hadn't touted a CGI movie as in game graphics?

maybe the fact that years of sony's tendency to majorly overhype everything fell flat on their face when the cgi debacle happened and they were embarrased by the wii reception?

maybe cause killzone wasn't "all that"?

but no, its the 360 fanboys. lol m i rite? you dudes are right in the fact that it's the "cool" thing for journalists to denounce anything sony. i;ve seen it and i admit it's getting out of hand.

but don't come to me with all this dribble and realize the other side of the story.

[Danja]

when did Sony state that the CGi Trailer was in Game..?

what does the Wii has to with KZ2...

and the media was the ones who over-hyped the 1st KZ...

Sony said it was a target render and everyone as quick to say..they can't accomplish those visuals..

[Megatron08]

maybe its cause the game is another piss poor fps. The 1st KZ was god awful and now we are starting to see that the 2nd one is more of the same. Just cause this is the 1st ps3 game to have graphics on par with GoW and GoW2 doesnt make it a good game

[DiabloRising]

Another piss poor FPS like Halo 3? Then it should score wonderfully.

God that game was horrid, Bungie has done better and I expected better.

[Chuck Norris]

I hate KillZone 2 because the graphics aren't on par with that of Heavy Rain.

[fanboi hater]

you need to grow up and get a girl or something.

I guess you're right about one thing though K2 does look as good as God of War and God of War 2 did back in the PS2 days (Comparatively). Speaking from the time period of course. lol But i guess you meant geow and geow2 which are so far behind this game (graphically) its a joke. Now I'm not bashing on gears I'm just praising K2. Honestly though i do hate the unreal engine it just has a blocky look and everything looks pixelated even though it's not, imo. Oh well at least i can play both gears and K2 but at least I'm not too immature to admit and love the fact that soon I'll be playing the king of console graphics, KILLZONE 2!

As for why all the hate, because there is too many little kids and people with no lives who have to find something hate. That hate just so happens to be towards the PS3, which is fueled by the media who have become to ignorant to give honest reviews anymore. Today it's all about money. Case in point, Halo 3, a $500 goody bag goes a long way. Is Halo 3 piss poor no but deserving of the 10s? I think not. In today's world to many people have become slaves to the words of the media and hate as they hate. It's sad and not just in the game media . At least there are still some of us who are still unbiased and can just enjoy games despite the system they are on. AND ADMIT KILLZONE 2 is the BEST looking console game ever.

[Zolin]

2 moths to go yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh h XD

[HighDefinition]

Even if they did, which I`m not sure if they did, they almost matched it. So......that`s why people hate.

[Danja]

Im pretty sure Sony stated that it was a target Render they were aiming for with the final product.

in which they have surpassed IMO

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

I personally have not seen much hate towards this game at all. If anything I have seen mostly praise and I keep seeing the game popping up in fanboy's list of games that will kill the 360 in the same way that Gears of War 2 was praised.

In fact I think a little hate is good, in case a game doesn't live up to its expectations it will be ripped to shreds by the media. Remember Too Human. I'm not saying Killzone 2 isn't good and from what I seen, the graphics looks awesome, but like anyting a game is an experience with the whole package graphics, gameplay, story and last, but not least controlls.

The verdict will be out when the game comes out!

edit: I also agree with v1c1ous there. I hate it when a company comes out with a CGI and claims this is what it will look like. This puts uneccessary pressure on the game studio and misleds the customers. Show me what you got, not what you think you will get!!!

[fanboi hater]

yeah i agree

truthfully the only hate i have seen for this games has been from certain media sites and hardcore fanboi's. All of my friends who only have xbox are drooling over this game. One of them even told me they regretted buying it and should have got a ps3. oh well what can you do.

[CViper]

A. People hate the PS2/SONY because they think it killed their Dreamcast, which SEGA did. Much like Microsoft killed the first Xbox. Business choices. Sony has been an arrogant company, and people want them to eat some humble pie, and topple and fall.

B. Killzone2 trailer was confused and quoted as IN GAME by a PR rep, and not a GG employee or representative. GG cleared it up immediately but it wasn't covered.

C. 4D/HOME/GettingSecondJobs/ All of that was definitely added to the reason to hate on Killzone2. After the initial flop of the PS3 falling and stumbling out of the gates, it just added fuel to perhaps this time, sony is definitely full of it. Lair doesn't look like killzone2.

D. Jealousy is now the main reason fueling the Kz2 hate. It topped the CGI Target trailer, and by topped, I mean its the HANDS DOWN BEST LOOKING CONSOLE GAME EVER CREATED WITH 32 PLAYER MULTIPLAYER. And that upsets the people that were mad at A,B, and C. These people like 1up.com and others were laughing at Sony for 2 entire years bsing the notion that Multiplayer games is what shows off hardware power. Now these people cant just simply go back on what they said.

They look at themselves as above all of us here, as if they are really some sort of Walter Cronkite or some sort of reputable journalist. But, because the gaming media is ran by gamers, who are mostly immature like most of us here. They will save face, and just argue for the sake of arguing. Try to point out gameplay problems, that aren't problems in other games. *See COD4 Monster Closets* To justify their original feeling about the PS3/Killzone2/4D/Lying.

Thats pretty much it. To pretend there is no Anti-Sony bias is to make yourself seem as if you are mildly retarded. All one has to do is watch the sheer volume of "PS3 is DOOOOMMED" articles that are all based off of absolutely nothing, and sure as hell never mention the PS3 has sold 17 million units worldwide, while the 360 has shipped 25million broken units worldwide with a year head start, and doesn't report sold. There is a bias there, but who cares?

Killzone2 looks second to none which everyone agrees to, yes it doesn't look 100% CGi. Because it will never be while its being ran in-game.. Everyone thats played KZ1/Liberation knows what to expect.

Kz2 will be flopped by the media, but again. Who cares? Not the people playing the game. And im sure it will sell enough to warrant a kz3. Just as the first 2 have warranted the kz2. The 360 fans that think the Unreal Engine looks like Crysis/Killzone2/MetalGear solid .. you know.. the ones that honestly believe normal mapped 300 polygon models look as good as Snake... lol.. will be the ones enjoying every 8/10 it gets from Edge/Eurogamer/1up. While they sit around waiting to see the next pc trailer for their next upcoming "exclusive" title.

[Ju]

While I can see how some people argue, why not wait until we'll get the reviews back. I think, we might get a positive surprise for a change. There will be some who will try to down play that game, and others justifying this. But in all honesty, who the f..k cares.

This games is what we are waiting for since two years now. What I see it totally delivered so far. No magazine in the world will take this away from me.

That said, I would certainly appreciate it, if the media for once would hype an extraordinary title (KZ2) like they do with all their Halo's and what not. It certainly deserves it, at least in the same scope. (But this is probably a wish I won't get granted).

[robert0267]

we ps3 owners don't care if people hate our exclusives its there problem not ours.

[SonyOwnsNextYear]

forthe same reason the ps3 and bluray are hated.

say my name

[Cheeseknight28]

I think PS3 fans' reaction to Gamespot's Ratchet & Clank review was the total opposite of what you said.

[Saint Sony]

Thanks to SONY the Killzone2 is massively over hyped fps which does not manage to bring anything new to the genre. It does bring PS3 a long waited good fps, but still it does not bring anything new to the genre. People do like the looks and all, but after awhile it is just another FPS. Too bad, yet another "HYPE killed the game" for PS3.

Time it has taken to dev Killzone2 should have brought us a bit more than what Killzone2 currently is.

[Gambit07]

@1.21 you wouldn't be saying that if the game was multi-plat or 360 exclusive.

[r3xmund1]

And the graphics are NOT on a par with GoW and GoW2, I own both those games and played the beta, and KZ2 is THE best looking console game I have ever seen, and that was a beta!

Kz2 will set the bar on which graphics on a console will be mneasured... fullstop.

The hate comes from the lack of appreciate.

360 don't got it soooo it must be $h17!

[ofx360]

When did people hate on killzone2? I here nothing but love for the game on both camps(ps360)

[godofthunder10]

I have a 360 and i love it.i wouldn't trade it for a ps3 for anything.Unlike fanboys i admitt the truth,i want say i hate a game just because it's on the opposite system.I think that KZ2 will be a great game.If it was on the 360 i would buy it on launch date.I will also admitt that i wish R 1&2 was on the 360 to.

On the other hand i hate MGS4.If i wanted to watch something for almost 3hrs i watch a movie.If i wanted to play i play anything but that.I don't hate it because i'm jealious or because i'm to poor to buy a ps3 like a lot of ps3 fanboys claimed.I never did like the MGS games.I think that it has the stupidest story line in the history of video games.Unlike what ps3 fanboys claim MGS was on the nintendo first.It didn't start on the ps like they are claimimg.I don't like games like LBP either.I think that it's a childish games and i just can't get into games like that.The fact is that ps3 owners wish that they had some 360 exclusives on the ps3.The 360 owners wish that they had some ps3 exclusives on the 360 to.

I'm tired of hearing fanboys complaining about what other fanboys are doing or saying because they do the exact damn thing.This article is an exsample of what i'm talking about.Ps3 fanboys are complaing because people are saying they hate KZ2.The same ps3 fanboys are the same ones that was saying they hated HALO or GOW before they even came out.

The same ps3 fanboys that said HALO.GOW,and FABLE suxed would say the opposite if they were on the ps3.They would say how great the games are and how they love them and they would recommend people to buy them.360 fanboys do the same thing.If R 1&2,KZ2 or other ps3 exclusive was on the 360.Instead of saying they sux they would say they are great games.The fact is that fanboys want give credit to the other system for anything.Ps3 fanboys would say that KZ2,LBP and every other ps3 exclusive suxed if they were 360 exclusives.360 fanboys would say that every 360 exclusive suxed id they were ps3 exclusives.

I'm also tired of hearing childish fighting about what system has the best graphics and what system will win this gen.The fact is that the WII won this gen and i don't even like the the WII.The ps3 or 360 will come in 2nd but not by much over the other one.The WII proved that graphics isn't what people look for in a game.H*ll i like some SNES games more then some ps3 and 360 games and they have better graphics.When it comes to graphics the 360 and ps3 are close.Ps3 fanboys keep acting and saying that the ps3 graphics are a lot better then the 360 graphics.The ps3 graphics might be a little better but it's so small that the majority of gamers can't even tell the different.H*ll who cares if one game have 1 more wrinkle in the water or 1 more raindrop on the screen.I've read articles saying that the 360 and ps3 are really close in power because of the way they were built.The only ones i hear saying that the ps3 is a lot more powerful is sony and sony fanboys.

People should just stop all the fighting and grow up.The fact is that neither the 360 or ps3 is going any where they are here to stay because they are both great systems.The fact is that all we have is about 4 years left untill the ps4,new nintendo and xbox is released.Ps3 fanboys keep saying that sony want release another ps untill the ps3 been out for 10 years and that is wrong.The ps4 will be released around the same time as the other systems.Sony knows that microsoft took a big percentage of the game market from them because they came out a year early.Sony is smart and will never let that happen to them again.

Ps3 fanboys keep acting and talking like the ps3 will destroy all the other systems and that will never happen again.When the first ps came out people said that it had no chance against nintendo.The fact is that after 2 years or a little longer sony owned the market.The same thing is happening again.When the xbox first came out sony fans were saying that it didn't have a chance and it would fail.The fact is that the 360 has a big share of the gameing market.The fact is that sony will never dominate the gameing market any longer.People will have a choice to buy 1 of 3 systems without worring about if it will fail or not and it's a good thing.

[uie4rhig]

cViper didn't just shat on their faces.. he also peed on their face, and made them eat and drink it lol

seriously tho..
this game is hated because people (read: fanboys) think it will set new high standard.. and they're afraid of that.. and yes the game will get 10's and 7's and 8's .. maybe even 6's .. simply coz there are too many MS fans out there..

my self, i'm not sure if KZ2 will actually set new standards, mainly because i haven't played it yet.. but seeing from all these trailers and gameplay vids.. i think that it will be the CoD4 of 2009..

[evrfighter]

wrong person

[plenty a tool]

trust you to bring some pathetic and shameless fanboy comment into this thread..lol perhaps a girlfriend would help you overcome your longing.

what hate? i've yet to see any hate for killzone. the game looks incredible! and if the gameplay matches the graphics...then game of the year for 2009 easily.

[ape007]

who ever hate killzone 2 must give him the middle finger,cause no way in hell a gamer hate it except if he hate the shooting gener in general

[CrazyOrange]

I DONT GET IT

Why do people like killzone 2 ?? and I dont like it at all nothing attractive overall its dark x dark.

I either rarly like a first person shooter game only loved 2 (halo3/team fortress2) hated COD4/5/BIOSHOCK ..ETC.

if i bought killzone 2 i hope my ps3 get yellow light of death and my 360 rrod and my tv pixels burn.

qute on me

[Parapraxis]

@ militant07,
Was ther ANY POINT to your comment?

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Yes.

His point was...

...he has no taste.

If you don't like Bioshock, you shouldn't be allowed to own a video game console...let alone a brain.

[prowiew]

This guy is creating a killzone hate that doesnt exist.

[Carbide7]

Because it's not multiplatform

[gamesmaster]

exactly, pure jealousy.. its pathetic. i find it just as pathetic when sony fans use it to geode at xbox fans to counter the shovel loads of hate. it looks like an absoloutly amazing game be happy!!!! i am

i dont have a 360 but i'm not jealous of the titles it has because well.... i dont own a 360

[stevenhiggster]

I honestly, until now hadn't seen any Killzone 2 hate, but this thread has some putrid sh12 in it! I can't wait for it, and I must be one of the few who actually think the first one was actually pretty good! Far better than that Halo mince thats for sure! I honestly believe that probably at least 8/10 of the people who say the first one sucked have never played it, it might even be more than that! So 360 fanboys, go and play Halo, and stop posting stuff in threads about PS3 games you trolls. In all seriousness I don't even look at stories regarding xbox games, same people need to get a life!

[Hellsvacancy]

its puttin me through hell coz i want to play it now *stamps out the room slamming the door crying his eyes out*

[DJ]

Though neither can decide whether the game is too similar to COD4, or not similar enough. They're still debating on that one.

The "AI" argument is an easy one for biased journalists to get away with since most reviews are typed. And if there's video reviews, the site can simply edit off the great examples of good AI within and game and simply show mistakes the AI made (even if these mistakes were realistic).

This game is going to get a lot of 10's and a lot of 6's and 7's, simply because Microsoft does have a stranglehold on a lot of media outlets. Halo 3 got unanimously high scores, despite what journalists and gamers alike were saying about the game. Heavenly Sword was the first PS3 exclusive that got slaughtered. IGN still refuses to fix their review, which doesn't represent the Retail Code.

It's pretty simple. If a 360 exclusive has any kind of technical glitches that harm gameplay enjoyability (such as Gears of War 2), those flaws will get ignored and a very high score is guaranteed.

If a PS3 exclusive so much as one incident of screen tearing or texture pop-in, it's dubbed as 'average' or worse. If game sites are wondering why no one respects them anymore, it's because of this rampant hypocrisy. Hell, even Gametrailers purposefully makes multiplatform titles look better for 360 than PS3, but that's expected since their parent company is Microsoft after all. When caught on numerous occasions, they typically banned members, closed down forum posts, and issued hilariously bad Press Releases explaining "It was a simple editing error."

[ape007]

"This game is going to get a lot of 10's and a lot of 6's and 7's, simply because Microsoft does have a stranglehold on a lot of media outlets. Halo 3 got unanimously high scores, despite what journalists and gamers alike were saying about the game. Heavenly Sword was the first PS3 exclusive that got slaughtered. IGN still refuses to fix their review, which doesn't represent the Retail Code.

It's pretty simple. If a 360 exclusive has any kind of technical glitches that harm gameplay enjoyability (such as Gears of War 2), those flaws will get ignored and a very high score is guaranteed.

If a PS3 exclusive so much as one incident of screen tearing or texture pop-in, it's dubbed as 'average' or worse. If game sites are wondering why no one respects them anymore, it's because of this rampant hypocrisy. Hell, even Gametrailers purposefully makes multiplatform titles look better for 360 than PS3, but that's expected since their parent company is Microsoft after all. When caught on numerous occasions, they typically banned members, closed down forum posts, and issued hilariously bad Press Releases explaining "It was a simple editing error.""

100% accurate

keep it up man

[Oner]

"It's pretty simple. If a 360 exclusive has any kind of technical glitches that harm gameplay enjoyability (such as Gears of War 2), those flaws will get ignored and a very high score is guaranteed.

If a PS3 exclusive so much as one incident of screen tearing or texture pop-in, it's dubbed as 'average' or worse. If game sites are wondering why no one respects them anymore, it's because of this rampant hypocrisy. Hell, even Gametrailers purposefully makes multiplatform titles look better for 360 than PS3, but that's expected since their parent company is Microsoft after all. When caught on numerous occasions, they typically banned members, closed down forum posts, and issued hilariously bad Press Releases explaining "It was a simple editing error.""

100% accurate "

Ape the same goes for you man ~ That is, without an iota of doubt, a serious understatement as to the current and past state of affairs in reference to Gaming Reviews & such "Sites". +1 & bubbles.

[Megatron08]

The reason ps3 games get crappy scores is cause they are crappy games. Seriously all this everyone is out to get sony BS shows just how pathetic ps3 fanboys are. Hell sony own half the the video media out there.

[DiabloRising]

You mean like CNet? Or Viacom? Or partnering with MTV? Oh wait, that's all MS! Silly me!

[evrfighter]

Uhhh MS has nothing to do with viacom. Viacom is its own media conglomerate no one owns it. MTV is owned by viacom and CNET by CBS, CBS is owned by Viacom.

Also I find that a lot of people believe MS owns NBC, which is also untrue. As that is owned by General Electric.

these conglomerates are often referred to as the big 5. You have Time Warner, Viacom, Clear Channel, Disney, and News Corp. None of which are partnered with Microsoft.

In fact you should be delighted to know that Sony is considered more of a media conglomerate than Microsoft.

I honestly don't know why I'm trying to explain. The outlandish claims of "Microsoft owns the media" will continue to rain down by ps3 fans.

edit. Just a quick google search and heres a link to a pdf article showing a timeline of how the big 5 came to be. You'll see Microsoft on this and plays little to no major part of these mergers.

http://www.motherjones.com/...

[pswi60]

"Uhhh MS has nothing to do with viacom"

how dare you say that. Microsoft and Viacom have a $500 million media deal over 5 years.

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsou...

Who do you think provides video content for Xbox Live? Viacom is the parent company of Metacritic, CNET, and Gamespot.

Microsoft also has a content deal with Variety.

http://advertising.microsof...

And once Microsoft buys Yahoo, they will own that media outlet as well.

http://www.webmasterworld.c...

Heres another one: Microsoft Statement on Online Video Distribution Agreement with Newscorp, NBC Universal

http://www.microsoft.com/Pr...

And another: AOL/Time Warner deal boosts Microsoft media technology

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/itm...

The fact of the matter is these deals happen all the time, and people like you have your head in the sand and don't pay attention. Then you come in here and spout off when you have no idea what you are talking about. For someone who knows how to search, you should be using it more often.

I will pm you with this information so you don't have an excuse for next time.

[evrfighter]

So your implying that MS has some sort of pull and can override the big 5's decisions in the end? That's a big claim and you seem to forget Microsoft has to sell windows first and foremost before the 360. In fact If you go back and read your own sources.

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsou...

"I think the fact that you have a media company of the size and scale of Viacom -- certainly they look in the industry and they know who all the players are, they've evaluated alternative ad platforms. The fact that they've selected Microsoft is reflective of the fact that the investments we've made, the assets we've accumulated, are coming together in a way that delivers value to them. They certainly are a flagship publisher, when you look at the media and content industry."

Microsoft PR itself states that Viacom is too big to push around. Also how do you think Microsoft sells windows? word of mouth? This deal is probably more than likely to push vista and windows 7. Not to go about dictating how they score microsoft's game console. To think otherwise would be considered fanboy in its extreme state. If Microsoft were such force in the media industry they wouldn't need to make deals with the big 5 to push their products amirite?

Also if you were following the yahoo/microsoft deal.At first Yahoo rejected Microsofts Buyout price. Then after seeing Yahoo's stock tank some more. Offered another buyout at half of their original price. A couple of key figures in both companies want this deal to happen and say it makes sense but your link is dated oct 16th 2008, heres a dec 1st article.

http://dealbook.blogs.nytim...
"Microsoft -Yahoo Deal “Total Fiction,” Report Says"

At the moment no one knows whats going to happen with this deal. I don't know where your coming from by linking the microsoft/yahoo deal.

as for the msnbc article you linked
"“Today’s announcement is a great win for MSN’s more than 460 million consumers and for online video more broadly. When launched, this new venture will provide free access to an unprecedented library of high-quality video content."

"“Joining forces with Fox/Newscorp and NBC/Universal is completely in line with our strategy to offer our users easy access to the best video on the web in a way that is good for content owners, great for consumers, and provides compelling opportunities to advertisers. Building on the work we have done with MSN Video and SoapBox, we are taking another step toward realizing that vision."

What here implies that Microsoft has a stranglehold of everything xbox on NBC? What I'm reading is. They are going to provide video services to MSN users. What's this have to do with a game console? Your not implying that Microsoft can dictate how NBC writes their pieces on the 360 because of this video deal are you? NBC/GE is also another company that would not move an inch should MS decide to be forceful.

and then your last link the AOL link
here's the summary directly from the article

"The deal allows -- but does not require -- AOL Time Warner to use Microsoft's Windows Media 9 Series software and future versions of the multimedia technology, including its digital rights management (DRM) tool for securing music and video files from piracy."

"Despite the open-endedness of the terms, the deal represents an important victory for Microsoft, which has tried for years to overcome reluctance from AOL Time Warner and other media companies to embrace its digital media technology over that of rivals, notably RealNetworks and Apple Computer."

Uhhhhhhh again. What's this have to do with a game console and how its reviewed? So they finally pushed windows media player onto Time Warner, who has been tellin them to F off for years?

Now Time Warner is one of the bigger players in the big 5. To think they would be intimidated by MS in the slightest gave me a good laugh.

[evrfighter]

as far as media manipulation goes. Sony has been the one caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

"David Manning" was a fictitious film critic, created by a marketing executive working for Sony Corporation around July 2000 to give consistently good reviews for releases from Sony subsidiary Columbia Pictures.

"ony admitted in late 2005 to hiring graffiti artists to spray paint advertisements for their PlayStation Portable game system in seven major U.S. cities including New York City, Philadelphia, and San Francisco.[28] The mayor of Philadelphia filed a cease and desist order. According to Sony, they paid businesses and building owners for the right to graffiti their walls.[29] As of early January 2006, Sony had no plans to keep or withdraw them."

"In November 2006, a marketing company employed by Sony created a website entitled "All I want for Xmas is a PSP", designed to promote the PSP through viral marketing. The site contained a blog, which was purportedly written by "Charlie", a teenager attempting to get his friend "Jeremy"'s parents to buy him a PSP, providing links to t-shirt iron-ons, Christmas cards, and a "music video" of either Charlie or Jeremy "rapping". However, visitors to the website soon discovered that the website was registered to a marketing company, exposing the site on sites such as YouTube and digg, and Sony was forced to admit the site's true origin in a post on the blog, stating that they would from then on "stick to making cool products" and that they would use the website for "the facts on the PSP". The site has since been taken down. In an interview with next-gen.biz, Sony admitted that the idea was "poorly executed"

[Oner]

What I find odd is how you only speak of Sony's actions. Why don't you show the same amount of determination & view when it comes to MS?

Lastly and by far the most important is the fact of one teensy little difference...Sony's "tricks" where to improve and advertise their OWN products not crap on someone else's.

MS is widely known for their "if we don't have it, or can't buy it then it's crap" tactics and attitude. This is something of which cannot be denied.

Undeniably it is factual all companies do it in one way shape or form, it's just some do it with more tact in their approach.

[fishd]

All the haters got OWNED thoroughly by GG at E3 2007,when they not only showed off the current build of Killzone 2, but they played It in front of a live audience for about 15 minutes which came nearly 90%+ close to that CG render from two years before,the one that was supposed to be impossible to even come close to it on PS3...

and also ppl hates The Best
:)

[Spike47]

Out of all the fps that have been released no source ever complained about it being" too similar to average fps" or something like that until K2.

Its going to be a massacre with this game, and fanboys will priase the biased media.

[shoinan]

No-one who's not got an agenda hates on this game - we're just excited to see how it turns out.

[ultimolu]

That too.

If it was on the 360 or even the Wii (don't give me that look...), it would have gotten the highest honor. But since it's on a system that's in 3rd place...according to 360 fans...it gets hammered repeatedly.

[ultimolu]

Because it practically blows everything out of the water.

...I don't know about anyone else but Sony makes me excited every single day when they come up with new stuff, even though I can also criticize them.

Cannot wait to play Killzone 2. They better have a limited edition.

[CryofSilence]

Have a bubble. You don't seem to have enough, lawlz. ^.^

[yz250]

"But since it's on a system that's in 3rd place...according to 360 fans...it gets hammered repeatedly." <------its not according to 360 fans juuken, the sales data shows to EVERYONE that isnt in denial that the ps3 is in third place, doesn't have a damn thing to do with "360 fans", take your comment to the other zone. killzone is getting hated on because the first one was OVERHYPED and it didn't DELIVER- pretty simple. killzone is NOT an established franchise, because the first one SUCKED and if this new one doesn't deliver than they can forget the "killzone" name.

[ultimolu]

First of all yz250...I never implied that Sony wasn't in third because of the sales data. 360 fans have always, and I mean always focus on the fact the PS3 is in third place when we *all* know why it was in 3rd place in the first place. They never focused on the good aspects of the system-the fact that it has games, the online is a lot better than last year.

All they have been focused on is the place the system is in.

That was the point of my comment and I do not need you or anyone else shoving sales data in my face.

And about Killzone...how did you know the first one sucked and didn't deliver? Did you play it for yourself and made that decision? Or did *you* follow what everyone else said and claimed it sucked? The first Killzone, granted did not do so well because Guerrilla was a small team.

Nobody was hyping this game except the freaking media.

Yes, the media.

They kept comparing this game to Halo, claiming it was a Halo killer.

Killzone 2, from what I have played so far (beta) seems to be living up to the name. The graphics and the gameplay is AMAZING.

Wait until the game comes out before you judge.

I also don't believe my comments belong to the Open Zone. I have not said anything that was fanboyish to begin with.

[Ju]

Hm, I didn't play that many shooters on the PS2 (IMO, not a shooter platform), but I think Killzone was one of the better ones. I liked it, and visually it pushed the PS2 quite a bit (Black beats it by far, but not much comes close to that anyway).

So, why do people all of a sudden bring up "KZ (1) sucked, GG sucked" so "KZ2 will suck". Quite the opposite is true. GG pushed the envelope for PS2 shooters, like not many did (GoW2 did, and Criterion did with Black).

[wolfsrain]

hell yea Killzone 2 blow everything out of the water :)

[Queers of War]

cause its only on ps3

[Xbox Street Gang]

Because the PS3 and Sony are putting on a show...

Who said the system that sells more has the better games...

[MGOelite]

killzone 2 is hated cause 360 fanboys have realised that they have no games coming in Q1 and Q2 of 2009 so they have to downplay ANY ps3 exclusives to make it seem the ps3 has no worthwhile games as well and therefore making it seem the 360 is better, when ps3 is the only console with good original games coming in 2009. this is true as infamous is also hated

[Faztkiller]

i was a xbox 360 fan a one time then i got a PS3
i found out how idiotic they are
PS3 kicks ass well worth the price

[NegativeCreep427]

So many biased gaming "professionals" are seriously scraping the bottom of the F'n barrel to find ANYTHING to complain about this game; The Helghast are not "satisfying enough" to kill??? Their red eyes make them stick out too much on the battlefield??? It's not just Killzone 2 but EVERY PS3 exclusive title!!! Infamous is going to be next on the less-than-optimistic approach by the gaming media.

Halo 3 had no more interesting characters to kill, yet everyone felt born again when they played it and scored it with perfect 10's.

[GiantEnemyLobster]

Because Killzone on the PS2 and Liberation on PSP both sucked. Why should KZ2 be any different?

"bu bu bu it gots good grafix!!!!1"

[resistance100]

Likewise, however its the other away around for me

[Faztkiller]

Cool what games u like on the 360

[gambare]

Can I have the same stuff you smoke to see the future?

[earwax]

I can't wait for this game to NOT sell

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

No, dude.

Killzone: Liberation was actually an incredible game. It won best handheld graphics and best handheld game from various sources last year. It's addicting as frick!

What are you smoking?

Earwax: Calm down, child! So, if the game doesn't sell, we lose a valuable developer and hundreds of people lose their jobs. I'm glad I'm not you right now because I'd feel like a pretty big deuschebag if I was.

[MaximusPrime]

no body hated GeOW2. Why because its on Xbox 360.

everybody hates Killzone 2 because:

- far better shooter game
- xbox 360 is too weak to handle this game.
- its exclusive to powerful console, PS3
- every lucky gamers are stunned by the power of the game.
- possible GOTY 09

@ below: thanks for letting me know.

[CryofSilence]

I'm sorry but while I agree with most of what you are saying, you have an incorrect acronym in there. GOW is an acronym for God of War. GeOW is Gears of War. No game will steal the acronym honor (sounds so cheesy >.<) of "GOW" from God of War.

Anyway, continue reading. Just a minor complaint.

Edit:
Thanks for fixing that. :D

[cactuschef]

They hate cause they are jealous!

[creamydingle]

Its all the 360 fanboys. What makes me laugh is how they use to be able to go on about 360 having better graphics then the ps3 and it may have been true but now we are seeing the power of the ps3 and all the 360 fanboys now are saying graphics dont matter lmao a year ago thats all that matted to them was how the 360 looked better then the ps3.

[poeo]

Killzone 2 has proven itself pretty much by now, at least when it comes to graphics.. and no matter what you say, graphics DO mean a lot to most gamers (just look at what GeOW did to the 360). there's NO WAY anyone could say it looks like crap without getting completely ridiculed, and rightly so.

and in general, when people hate something that is popular or getting a lot of attention, it is mostly just a defensive reaction due to jealousy, or for fear of being left out... i would even say Halo 3 is an example of that, even as a ps3 fan i KNOW it must be a pretty good game because it gets so much hate. maybe not a 10/10 game but you know what i mean.

[Faztkiller]

agree

I am PS3 fan and Halo 3 is my fav online shooter
But i hate the 360 and live

[beavis4play]

but that's it. seriously, let whomever wants to hate on it do so as much as they like. they can't change the fact KZ2 is gonna be sweet!

[Venomish]

because it is "ONLY ON PS3"

[byeGollum]

i got nothing else to say about it, it speaks for itself ... but one thing tho, there will always be haters no matter what.

[snir1400]

I will buy this game and all!
Killzone 2 = the most graphics in console!!

[N4360G]

Because it's only on the PS3 and is the best looking console game to date.People always like to hate on the best.

[Breakfast]

:)

[lelo]

What makes Killzone 2 different from other exclusives ... PS3 fanboys bash X360 exclusives and X360 fanboys bash PS3 exclusives... so what the hell is he whining about. Get over it.

He should take a look at N4G, to see what i am talking about.

[topblood]

remember the first game and it got hyped badly.

and remember it was supposed to be a halo killer.

and i know this game wont get game of the year.

i bet none of you people will know the name of the main cast of the game.

and also i got both consoles, played killzone.

WAS so hyped. no boss battles at all.

seriously it will be the same and will have no story. just good graphics, thats it.

but i know there's more ps3 fanboys over the internet for some reason.....

i got both consoles so i aint no fanboys like you lot.

but remember i was the first to tell you this. killzone = hyped
killzone 2 = more hyped

anyways check the killzone website. it has more advertisement than ebay.

game of the year, more like flop of the year

but you ps3 fanboys believe anything cuz your all anime geeks.

where the hell is nathan drake? the ps3 fanboy to reply on this topic

[Faztkiller]

u perfect Example of my above^^ comment

[drdistracto707]

just because you own both consoles doesnt mean your not a fanboy

and yes, your a fanboy

[cereal_killa]

i got both consoles so i aint no fanboys like you lot.

Ok 1. you need hook on phonics

2. why are you bashing a game that hasn't even been released and a lot of sites and beta players have claim this to be a great MP experience.

"but remember i was the first to tell you this. killzone = hyped
killzone 2 = more hyped"

"game of the year, more like flop of the year

but you ps3 fanboys believe anything cuz your all anime geeks."

So let me get this straight you went out and bought a PS3 to justify your not a fanboy (which you clearly are) bash this game but go around and say I have both system so I'm no fanboy. I really wish there was a true definition of fanboy in the dictionary because I can see your name right next to it among the other fanboys.

[gta2800]

I can guarantee you this idiot doesn't even own a ps3. He's just saying that to justify his reasons for killzone 2 sucking and not being bias about this. But we all know in reality he's just another bitter 360 fan boy that hates the world cause he won't get to enjoy Killzone 2 in 2 more months XD lol.

[TheColbertinator]

Killzone 2 is...difficult to explain.

The media hates the franchise and is a representation of what Sony lied about for years concerning the "Power of the PS3".I don't think its possible that Killzone 2 will be anything else other than overhyped.The media will crush Killzone 2 regardless of its quality be it good or bad in the reviews.Of that I am sure.

[Danja]

when they have surpassed/matched the infamous E3 trailer....?

I remember alot of ppl saying the PS3 couldn't achieve those graphics...

[CryofSilence]

Bad spelling and grammar keep this article from excellence. It would have been nice to see citation for those quotes, as well.

That said, Killzone 2 should be amazing, regardless of unfounded criticisms.

[Aclay]

I think there's a lot of Killzone 2 hate because everyone (most Xbox fanatics) were hoping for Killzone 2 to fail just because the way that Killzone 1 turned out, but after witnessing the gameplay footage for themselves via the internet and seeing the awesome gamplay and graphics, they can hardly find anything negative to say about it, so they just hate.

I already know that Killzone 2 will be a game that will be picked apart by reviewers mainly because the Killzone series has so much "baggage". I expect Killzone 2 to get mostly high scores, but I'm sure there will be haters giving KZ2 low scores for no reason.

Once all of the review scores are in, I expect Killzone 2 to have a higher average review score than Resistance 2, and if it doesn't, then clearly the haters were out in full force. I have nothing against Resistance 2 because I have the game and like it, but Killzone 2 totally destroys Resistance 2 in almost every aspect and that's why I expect KZ2 to have a higher average review score than R2.

[topblood]

i know you gaved me a disagree. but its all good cuz i know am the truth.

your a wasteman. like nathan drake.
haha your avatar is anime . shows am right about ps3 fanboys.

first of all i got both consoles so i aint no fanboy.

but you ps3 fanboys just keep talking crap out of your mouth.

[Faztkiller]

OK LOL
keep giving good examples

[drdistracto707]

owning both consoles doesnt exclude you from the realm of a fanboy!

YOU ARE A FANBOY, get it right next time

and just for that im gonna give you a bubble fatzkiller, to make up for this arse's stupidity

[Faztkiller]

Thanks bubble + u also

[Max Power]

anime geek:(

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

"i know you gaved me a disagree. but its all good cuz i know am the truth." - Please...explain to us "am the truth".

"your a wasteman. like nathan drake.
haha your avatar is anime . shows am right about ps3 fanboys." - A wasteman? My father was a trash collector for 4 years of his life. I find this very offensive.

"first of all i got both consoles so i aint no fanboy." - Aint? There's very little that can be said about "aint" in modern English.

"but you ps3 fanboys just keep talking crap out of your mouth." - Where else are we supposed to talk crap out of? I had no idea you could talk from anywhere else. Please, show us the ways...

[Sergeant Osiris]

the mentally challenged should be encouraged to keep posting. keep at it xbot.

[Monkey521]

What does the PS3 have to do with Anime? If you are going to bash a console, at least try to make sense. Anyways, just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are fanboys either. Get your head out of your @$$.

[Gaara_724]

simple answer its on ps3
more advanced answer: the xbox 360 people are jealous because they don't have it and all my friends what this game badly only thing is they don't own ps3's......guess they will buy one sooner or later then

@ below
anima avatar yes it is i like anime and this site is for ps3 fanboys :l going buy how long you've been a member i can tell you weren't here since the start of this site where it was pro 360 and the ps3 guys had as much opinion as the wii fanboys??? everyone things dam do the exist but as soon and blue-ray on the format war it turned around so you cant say its pro ps3

[daflint]

It´s a good article but, remember there is no actually review out yet. Have a look at some previews of other games and compare with there final scores.
And yes american journalist tend to promoting more to there home console than the actual developers (who are the real stars, not Sony or MS). It´s not the battle between consoles wats important it´s the survival of creative developers who i believe wants to be independent.
Don't let any hate over any console bring those guys down because we need them for our future gaming experiences.

[bilbobob]

there is no such thing as a 360 fanboy. The people who you are refereing to are simply owners of an other unrelated console who dont wish to admit they too are biased towards anything in any way!

[topblood]

what do we have here?
another anime avatar.

DAM am like soulja boy. tellem

but out of all seriousness. this n4g site is mostly for ps3 fanboys. and i aint going to lie about that.

for sure.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

You should have been here a couple of years ago, when it was still www.news4gamers.com.

There were like 3 PS3 fanboys...and that was it. We had Mart, PowerOfGreen, TopGamer, DCRider360, and a couple of others to deal with. If nothing else, you have to appreciate their commitment.

Regardless, you're making fun of anime avatars. I'll have you know that FLCL and Paranoia Agent are much deeper than almost anything you'll see coming out of Hollywood. It's sad how close-minded a gamer can be. We used to live in harmony...hating Sonic and loving Mario. Now, we have to fight over whether TopBlood is jealous or not? This is just sad.

I mean...he is...but that's beside the point.

[Leio]

"Destroy what you cant have"
It´s a good old military tactic :/

[Faztkiller]

not if u where here a year ago it was all 360 i know b/c i was a xbox fanboy

[smurfie4]

I think a lot of the press are trying to save face by putting killzone down. It exceeded their expectations and instead of swallowing their pride and admitting that it is a good game and they were wrong, they do the opposite. But it is what it is. People like myself who have played the game know it's a good game despite the criticism and nitpicking.

[DiabloRising]

Regardless of how good or bad this game is, it WILL be nitpicked to death in reviews. Reviewers will bring up issues that are nicely glossed over in other contemporary FPS reviews. Which is kind of sad, a game is no longer reviewed on the merits of the title itself, but rather on the hype. You know, the hype that these media outlets themselves have created?

And THAT is yet another reason that "game journalism" fails.

[Surfman]

its not hate, its JEALOUSY

[jack who]

cuzz its the so called halokiller that floped hard now it wants more :)

[Max Power]

it a halokiller? the answer is the media

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Call of Duty 4 already killed Halo. Get over it.

Halo's gameplay is old-school. It has been since the first game. It ripped off Tribes and sold like crack. I don't know how Bungie can live with themselves after making a game like that. They made Marathon...a breakthrough in the genre. Then, they come out with crap like Halo? What the frick happened?

Bungie has talent. They just aren't using it. Halo has a fanbase because most people hadn't touched an FPS, let alone a gaming console. Halo opened them up to it because the media controls everything. Once the media got ahold of it, there was no turning back. How do you think games like Petz:Dogz and movie-based games sell?

[TasteLikeVictory]

I will be playing Killzone 2 from day 1... Any TRUE gamer will be playing that game...

[Hot_tea]

They are FAILURES. Wastes of space and oxygen.

[Bathyj]

More like from -500 from day one.

They were honestly hoping if they bad mouthed it enough a year and a half before it even came out, that it would be dead on launch day. I've never seen anything so pathetic, and while I've been a proud gamer for nearly 3 decades, that made me ashamed of my hobby. Playstation 1 & 2 helped fight the misconception that games were just for kids, but that sort of behaviour and the hate thats come since really makes you wonder.

[Liquid Snake]

The Xbox fanboys should be ashamed of themselves. They should be supporting excellance in gaming not bashing something that is good.

How much do you guys want to bet that the Xbox fanboys will lower the metacritic score of this game aswell, just like they did with LBP and Resistance 2 before they came out.

[Bathyj]

Because "The next generation starts when we say it starts!" turned out to be true after all.

Hurts Donut?

[darkequitus]

Sorry but you always sound like a extreme fanboy more than a gamer. You dish out as much rant and the xbox faboys. Unless money is a object a gamer would not cut their nose off and be partisan.

I know I am losing the battle against extreme fanboys. there isa being a fanboy, and then there is being down right ridiculous.

darkequitus:psn/xbl

[Bathyj]

Praising PS3 is not the same as bashing Xbox. And its not fanboy to have a favourite. I admit after 3 years of defending PS3 most people probably think I am just a Sonyboy but its not true. I've been gaming for nearly 30 years and I loved the first Xbox when M$ didnt suck so much and fanboys weren't so annoying. Or maybe I just didnt go on the internet as much.

If you want to know how I feel about the current Microsoft efforts I'll tell you.

1. I love a handful of the games.
2. I like some of the others.
3. I have distain for the hardware itself.
4. I hate the company that made it.
5. I loathe Xbox fanboys that have no fun but to attack PS3 with a passion.

So there you go, I dont think I'm exactly a hater if I put up with reasons 2-5 and own an XB because of reason 1.

PS
I always just thought the "Next Gen" phrase was funny and a dumb thing for the haters to get all upset over.

[TrooGamer]

They hate it because it does generic better than the other fps games out there plus with great graphics and an amazing multiplayer.

Pretty sad the game industry these days...all fanboys

[TooL 316]

My question to you is, why are you surprised? this has been going on since the ps3 launched. no matter how good the games are on the ps3 there are always those who chooses to bash them. look at heavenly sword uncharted resistance its sequel even lbp despite the great reviews. hating everything sony is the popular thing to do. yet some of the best experience in games this gen are undoubtedly on the ps3.

[dirtrider]

because here at n4g we have an overwhelming population of the ignorant people that are ps3 fans. like all the other exclusives for the ps3 they overhype these games to the point that most get sick and tired of hearing about them, which in time turns us to hate these games. when this game fails like the other exclusives they overhyped in the past, it will be us "the xbox fans" that get the last laugh as usual. :)

[Figboy]

1) A lot of people never played the original. it was a flawed, but decent game. the technology of the PS2 hurt what Guerrilla Games was trying to do.

2) A lot of people never played Killzone: Liberation. this is the title that really turned things around for the franchise. KZL is a great PSP game, and Guerrilla applied a lot of the lessons they learned from the original Killzone to Liberation. the story, atmosphere, and gameplay were excellent. but of course, the sheep saw "Killzone" in the title, and immediately dismissed. it's a shame, because it's one of the best titles on the PSP.

3) A lot of people were completely and utterly burned at E3 2007, when Guerrilla Games showed off actual gameplay of Killzone 2 that came VERY close to that CG target render. over the past year, it's come even CLOSER, and i daresay, it even SURPASSES it in a lot of ways. self righteous, high horse riding pundits don't like to be proven wrong. E32007 was a slap in the face to those that doubted KZ2 would live up to the visuals of the target render.

4) A lot of people were burned when they played the KZ2 beta, and learned that the game is actually FUN. i was in the KZ2 beta. i don't like online gaming that much. i had a BALL with the game. even beyond the visuals, the gameplay is highly polished and enjoyable. Nintendo has a lot of gamers believing that it's "gameplay over graphics," when it's really "graphics and gameplay work TOGETHER to bring you a memorable gaming experience."

the best games of all time (Resident Evil 4, Chrono Trigger, Castlevania: SOTN, Metal Gear Solid, Shadow of the Colossus, Super Mario Bros, etc), were touted as being graphical powerhouses in their day. most of the time, if a game has excellent gameplay, the developers took that extra effort to make the visuals great also. Half Life 2 is praised for it's gameplay, but at the time of it's release, Valve's Source Engine was one of the most technically advanced in the industry.

it's funny how people have selective memory about these things when a Playstation 3 game is involved.

Heavenly Sword is as fun as Ninja Gaiden, God of War, and Devil May Cry. it doens't do much differently from those games, except eliminate tedious backtracking, and obscure puzzles. the game features amazing visuals, even to this day, and yet it was ripped to shreds by the media. why? double standards and hypocrisy.

when you have 360 titles like Flatout, Perfect Dark, King Kong, and Call of Duty 2 scoring in the 9.5/10, and A/A+ range at certain publications, you KNOW that the gaming media itself has an agenda. moneyhats or not.

these reviewers ARE BIASED. there's no getting around it anymore.

when you have games being demerited points for being "too short" or for having "too much variety," you can't deny that the state of gaming reviews has changed. reviewers are a bunch of nitpickers these days, but they are selective nitpickers.

it's completely and utterly ok for Call of Duty 4 to be short (about 5 hours), have weak AI, repetitive enemies, and a rather linear campaign, but it's apparently an ABSOLUTE TRAVESTY for Resistance 2 to have a few on rails parts, and it's suddenly the most generic shooter out there, even when the game hosts weapons that can shoot through walls, slow down time, fire remotely detonated rounds, put up protective shields, fires electric balls that fly across the screen, zapping all foes in their way, features a SEPARATE class based 8 player co-op mode, and an unprecedented for consoles 60 player online competitive mode. but hey, it's just like every other shooter out there, right? amiright?

i've had it up to here with the gaming media at this point. they are unable to keep their own personal opinions to themselves when they are supposed to be reporting FACTS, and they are abusing their ability to shape public perception.

people to this day STILL think the Playstation 3 is overpriced (it IS costly, but look at what you get WITH the console: built in Wi Fi, Blu Ray, web browser, free online, controller charger, etc), has no games, and has sh*tty online.

the media is absolutely pathetic this generation.

and even when Sony actually DELIVERS (Ratchet, Resistance 2, Little Big Planet, MGS4, Uncharted, Killzone 2) there is such sour grapes that the media can't even "man up" and admit that they were wrong about the Playstation 3.

the Playstation 3 is probably the most improved console i've EVER seen. it is NOT the same machine that i bought in February 2007, and those improvements are STILL coming.

yes, some of the features are catching up to the 360 (ie, Trophies, and in game XMB access), but other updates are wholly it's own (Folding at Home/Life With Playstation, Playstation HOME, screen capturing, Youtube video output for some games, etc).

and yet it STILL sees a wave of hate being thrown at it, and games aren't getting the credit they deserve (Folklore, Heavenly Sword, etc, are probably the most criminally underrated games of this generation. Valkyria Chronicles is another one, although the media at least ADMITS that that one is good. of course, it isn't a Sony first or second party title, so it's kind of free of the unfounded hate).

People hate Killzone 2 because it embodies how WRONG they were about the Playstation 3 ever since E3 2006, when Sony announced that $600 price tag, and the PS3 became public enemy number one.

Killzone 2 is a reminder of all the foolishness and vitriol they've spewed at the console for 2 years. all those snide "it doesn't justify the cost of the PS3" comments made over the past few years. it's a reminder that SONY WASN'T LYING about the Playstation 3 and it's capabilities. games like Ratchet, Uncharted, MGS4, and Little Big Planet were clues enough, and Uncharted and Ratchet were FIRST GENERATION PS3 titles!

and now the media wants to act all butt hurt because exclusives like Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo 5, inFamous, God of War 3, and of course, Killzone 2, are continuing to showcase that power.

THAT'S why they hate Killzone 2.

at some point, the gaming media is going to have to get over the fact that the Playstation 3 isn't the train wreck "do over" that they've been saying it is for the past 3 years, and simply accept that it's a great console, with some great games, exclusive and otherwise. but their pride is going to have them kicking and screaming to that admission for a few more months to a year.

it's a real shame that Killzone 2 is going to be utterly RAPED in reviews, and nitpicked for things that contradict one another - "Killzone 2 is EXACTLY like every other generic shooter out there!" "Killzone 2 is NOTHING like Call of Duty 4, or any other shooter out there! you have to LEARN it's controls! Why is it so different? But wait, it's GENERIC!"

*sigh* man, that grinds my gears.

[DiabloRising]

I have to agree. Again.

[Oner]

Always on point Fig. The F'ed up thing is that this will fall on deaf ears, blind eyes & closed minds. But I sure as F will continue to do my part to make things as clear as possible to those who talk out their...uhm... "mouths" and make sure the unassuming aren't misinformed or lead by the rampant uncontrolled bias that is everywhere.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Honestly,I freakin' love Heavenly Sword. However, it had one MAJOR flaw. The fighting isn't responsive enough. When you press square, you should get one swing right away. Instead, she winds up and slashes out/uppercuts (depending on the shoulder button you hit). With a tighter combat system, this could have been perfect. Andy Serkis' acting direction was brilliant! He should really start directing. The music, the graphics, the score...oh my gosh. I'm gonna go play it right now.

*orgasm*

[REDZEV]

Its a mediocre FPS at best. Its brings nothing new to the genre, its been in the making for three years but truthfully, with all hype it feels like 10 years sorta like your Gran turismo 5 which probally wont be until the PS4 comes out. People tend to either lose interest because they have waited so long or their expectations are so high because of the hype, when they play it finally its the biggest dissapointment since....... well, Ill let you guys decide you droids have been let down all year so you can pick one.LOL

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

Mediocre fps? Wanna know a mediocre fps?

Go play call of duty 4.

Has that game brought anything into the genre? It doesn't even use a damn cover system.

Please, tell me how this is a mediocre fps, then I'll shut up.

I'm tired of people bashing a game before it comes out.

[Max Power]

i was just going to say that, i only bought that game for the multiplayer, and i tried the sp portion after i got bored with the MP, and man did it suck.

[darkequitus]

The only thing I hate are maniacle fanboys. This site is full of them
superiorty complexes, insecure, conspiracy everywhere, dellusional,my dQ!ck is bigger than your and a will write an essay to prove it, devoid of objectivty juvenile, giving trues gamers a bad name.

BAck to LBP then a little Horde!

K2 pre-ordered by the way :) ODST to follow!

darkequitus:psn/xbl

[bobdog626]

Let's wait for the FULL REVIEW before making JUDGEMENT.

[Ju]

I will reply just to underline this a little bit. ;)

[Figboy]

and play the god damned game for OURSELVES and make up our OWN minds about the game?

this reliance on reviews as being the gospel truth, end all statement about a games quality is disturbing.

it's MY money that i'm spending, it's MY time that i'm putting into the game, and i couldn't give a rats ass what some paid employee at IGN, or 1up, or Gamepro, etc, has to say about the games i buy.

if i buy a game and it's a dud, that's too bad, but at least i bought a game that i was personally interested in, and not what somebody ELSE told me i should be interested in.

i don't mean to sound so harsh, but this "sheeple" mentality people have these days just isn't healthy.

it's like the world at large refuses to budge until somebody tells them to.

Gamer: "i like survival horror games, so i'm going to play Dead Space."

Reviewer: "i don't like survival horror games, but i had to review Dead Space. i give it a 6/10."

Gamer: "Oh man, a 6/10. i guess i'll pass on it, then."

we need to start judging for ourselves, and taking reviews for what they are SOMEONE ELSES OPINION, that may be wholly different from your own, but is not set in stone fact.

gamers these days are using reviews as a crutch, or as a justification for why XXX console/game is better than YYY console/game, and it's silly.

Heavenly Sword and Folklore were MURDERED in reviews, and i happen to think they are two of the best games of this generation, and just plain fun gaming experiences. but the PS3 "hate train" was in full effect at the time of their releases, and they were suddenly held to some insanely high standards that NO GAME, on any console, could have reached. gamers ignored the titles, unfortunately, instead of giving it a try for themselves. EVERYONE of my friends who i've let borrow Heavenly Sword and Folklore have turned around and bought it themselves, even though they thought the games would suck because of what reviews said.

i highly urge people to try Killzone 2 for themselves when it releases in February, and make up your own mind about it's quality.

[TIKUP]

This game will kick ass it really will!!!!!!!

[CobraKai]

360 fanboys should buy a ps3. Seriously, if you do, Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2, will all of the sudden, become the best looking games you've seen.

[IPlayGames]

every body says it sucked but no reall reason why. i played a little bit of it but at the time i really didnt like FPS's so i didnt complete it my pops on the other hand beat it with every person twice and has been asked for killzone 2 ever since i bought my ps3 (this is without seeing any vids or being involved with media hype) so the 1st game must have did somthing right.

anyway ppl are gonna hate regardless but its not gonna matter to me when im playing online with 31 other people that like the game as much as i do.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

Hnestly , there are a lot of 360 fanboys who like....

[demolitionX]

cause the only people who hate it, are the people who can't afford buying a PS3, and instead they a buy a broken 360!

[JHUX]

Love how a lot of fanboys in here are bashing KZ1 even when they most likely never touched it. Don't bash a game before you try it people, I would have missed out on a lot of awesome games if I based it off review scores. I personally don't know about kz1 myself since I haven't played it, but the KZ2 sure does look good. I will be buying it, but the FPS KING OF MACHINES belongs to the PC still.

[JeepGamer]

The people who wrote this article are blind morons if they can't figure out for themselves why there is "hate" for anything exclusive to the PS3. It's the "in" thing now for gaming media websites that want page hits to hate on anything and everything Sony.

There is little if any objectivity in the gaming media.

[achira]

LOL, the hate comes from the jalous xbots, who cant afford the best console. they bought a crapbox and are angry now, that they have to play games like too human.

[Gambit07]

-"Why do you hate us so much!?"
-"because, you were born."

[Marquis_de_Sade]

Killzone 2 is without doubt a superb technical achievement, and the gameplay and physics look excellent too. This, along with Operation Flashpoint 2, is my most anticipated game of 2009.

[Daz]

so someone who not a fanboy who dont like the game there wrong are thay?

What happen to people having different opinions.

It could be a number of things.

They just dont like it
people could be jelouce
it didnt live up to the cgi trailer that sony said was in game.
Xbox fanboy hating.
is like the first one with better graphics
Its on ps3 pnly taht why they hate.

you could go on.

You fanboys take things to heart not every game on your console of choose is not for everyone.

[Rob0g0rilla]

It's only normal that people want to see you or anything you do fail. Jealousy at it's finest.

[Xenomorph]

How many of you have actually played Killzone 1? Uh-huh that's what I thought.

The game got a 75%, it's not an EPIC FAILURE, it's just average. It got a low score, because the ps2 couldn't process it's vision. Killzone 2 will only get bad reviews because of biases. KZ2 brings tons to the FPS genre:

Hard Sci-fi (Name 3 games that have hard sci-fi in them)
First Person Cover System
Hit Response
Multiplayer classes (Tactician, Engineer)
Swapping multiplayer secondary abilities
The best graphics technology of this generation so far
Realistic guns that have weight
The Best FPS clan system to date
The best in game stat tracking to date

How can you say it brings nothing? Killzone 1 was a fairly good game, but was only limited by the PS2 technology. If the game was ironed out and all the bugs were fixed, the game would garner at LEAST 8.5

[Ju]

I don't understand the KZ1-bug thing (I read about). Played it thru, but don't recall the game having out of the ordinary bugs. (But then, maybe that's just me)

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Because you touch yourself at night.

[The Judderman]

I don't think most people hate Killzone2 i just think that people don't want the hype to kill the game.
So many times PS3 titles have been hyped only to fail on quality and sales. The hype for Killzone is getting so big that when it eventually hits people will be looking for holes to pick in it rather than enjoying it.
Wouldn't it have been better for Sony to have shown the game just 6 months or so before release than 3 years.

[The Judderman]

I have a feeling no matter how good it is due to the hype its in for a fall.
More to the point are Ps3 owners actually going to buy this game and help Sony recoup the 50million spent on its development? They have a tendancy to hype a game up then when it comes out they don't buy it? Whats wrong with Ps3 owners? Don't they have any money or something.

[Nervsys]

As a 360 owner (previously a ps2 owner) one of the most irritating things about this generation has been how sony fans have based the superiority of their system on games that don't actually exist yet, and KZ2 has been the central game in that argument.

The PS3 was supposed to blow the 360 away, and so far it hasn't, but we still have to listen to the same old hype.

KZ2 may turn out to be brilliant (as Sony tried to have everyone believe with their 'ingame/target' footage), but until we can dive into a shop and buy it can we please stop comparing it to games that actually exist!

[Oner]

So every single site and beta tester (who have ACTUALLY played it) praising nothing but high accolades for this game all of a sudden mean nothing then huh? Seems a bit blindly convenient if you ask me...

[Ju]

KZ2 is hardly Vapourware. I would even guess it could be out now (like other games pushed out the door). People played it. I am pretty confident to say it exists:)

And, yes, it is used to show the power of the PS3. I agree. That's what people hope it will. So, if it does, what does this tell us ?

I understand the argumentation "Wait until we see it", but you have to admit, what was shown raises the possibility it will, quite a bit. I'd rather be prepared :)

[The Judderman]

I agree with you there. Theres been so many games that Sony have hyped years before they come out only for us to find out there garbage. Microsoft do this as well of course but there hype to hit ratio is much better.
I wish Sony would follow Microsofts general stratagy of only showing games that are coming within the next 6 months.

[tudors]

but it's looking really good right now, LBP and KZ2 are the games that make me want a PS3, LBP really impresses me, games are meant to be fun, I have played every FPS out there but I am ready for a change, LBP deserves to do really well, by the way how does LBP import it's images, is it straight from the PC or USB drives etc? and how does it make them 3D? just curious. I like HD I must admit, I would love play Zelda the twilight princess but do not want to buy a wii just for one game.

[MajesticBeast]

Im a ps3 360 owner. I love gears2 but the problems it had were just overlooked online is pretty much broken brumak stuck in the wall well all that crap when a ps3 would have had that it would be shot on sight and get a 6.0. Uncharted 1 of the best games of this gen in my eyes has been bashed to death by media cause it was only 10 hours long(1 of the best 10hours i spend)but when left 4 dead(not enough content for a game that costs 60 bucks in my eyes) or call of duty 4 does that its called intense and brilliant. The latest trend is also coming soon reviewing a ps3 games dlc(LBP MGS pack) lets review the gears 2 map pack 800ms points for 4 maps that should have been in the game if you ask me same for dlc of a alot of games ps3 and 360 alike. And most people that go omg ye killzone 1 was suckzorz cause(insert game site here) said it never even played the game cause if they actually played it they would know it was actually a very decent game like dark sector which didn't get 10 and 9s but was highly enjoyable. But i really do hope kz2 lives up to my expectations in terms of gameplay.

[seedaripper1973]

Figboy!
damn mate,i usually dont bother responding to such matters, but you've hit the nail on the head! absolute kudos to a well informed, unbiased and more importantly..TRUE! argument.
Im liking the cut of your jib so much, im willing to add you as a PSN friend.
PSN: seedaripper1973

p.s if ANYONE played the 1st killzone game, then you would know that it had the best multi player available on the ps2 (i STILL play it today)

[Figboy]

i appreciate it.

i own the original Killzone (i bought it a few months back, as i was curious to all the hate, and i loved Killzone: Liberation, and KZ2 had me interested), and i really enjoy the game.

the campaign is GOOD, the setting is really gritty. in truth, it's probably the most realistic FPS on the PS2. i had to adjust a bit, and customize all the controls to my liking (i basically set them up like Resistance, which is a very comfortable control scheme), and i adjusted the sensitivity, but overall, it's a really enjoyable game.

it's not a "Halo Killer" because it didn't have to be. i daresay i think KZ1 was ahead of it's time as far as a console FPS that felt like real life (ie, heavy characters, and heavy weapons, realistic movement speeds, etc). the technology of the PS2 really hurt the game, but i've been playing it on my PS3, and oddly enough, the much maligned framerate issues aren't present.

i accept the gray and brown environments in the original Killzone, because it's trying to be gloomy, gritty, and realistic. it's also the art design Guerrilla Games went with to express that setting.

i was expecting a complete and utter trainwreck when i popped in the Killzone disc, and i was surprised that it was an enjoyable, but flawed game. the MEDIA is what murdered Killzone's rep, with all their "Halo Killer" statements emblazoned across the cover of their mags, but the gamers just run with it as if it came from Sony and Guerrilla Games mouth's themselves.

it may be dated, but i recommend KZ1 (and Liberation), to those gamers that have BC PS3's, or still rocking their PS2s while they wait to upgrade. it firmly falls in the "GOOD" category in my book.

my PS3 is currently broken, but send me a friend request anyway, and once it's fixed, i'll approve it.

[Legion]

Haze, Lair, Heavenly Sword... what is next??? ....oh yea, now I remember, Killzone 2.

[Figboy]

you obviously haven't play either.

i, on the other hand, have played Heavenly Sword, beat it about three times, and i was in the Killzone 2 beta.

they are excellent games.

speak from experience, not from what you read from the internet.

Lair was medicore, not a train wreck.

Haze was also mediocre, but not a train wreck.

once again, i PLAYED and beat both of those as well. i owned them also.

i wouldn't recommend them as a purchase, but they were certainly worth a rental, especially Lair. the game was gorgeous, the story and music were really, REALLY good, but the mandatory motion controls and steep learning curve really hurt it.

but hey, you just keep telling yourself that Haze, Lair, Heavenly Sword, and Killzone 2 are trash. YOU'RE the only one missing out.

get a PS3 before it's too late.

all THREE consoles are perfectly capable of having excellent gaming experiences. there isn't one that monopolizes the fun.

i swear, people act as if the people that own the "rival" console are moping around the house, miserable of their lot in life, and lamenting the software lineup of their console.

i own a PS3 and 360, and i'll own a Wii eventually (once Wii HD hits), and enjoy the two consoles i own immensely, with my PS3 getting the majority of my playtime, but i'd be a fool to say that the 360 doesn't have good games, or that games like Ninja Gaiden and Too Human (which weren't critically received that well) are complete wastes of space (i enjoyed Ninja Gaiden, and Too Human has some design issues, but it's not a train wreck either).

[Legion]

And yet I never used the word TRASH in my statement. Hhhhmmmm... are you referring to that word due too your own representation of the games I listed in the same breath as your Hyped Killzone 2?

[Figboy]

are widely considered by the sheep out there to be trash are the reasons enough to assume that you were implying that Killzone 2 will turn out to be "trash."

don't try and pretend to take the high road because your comment was ambiguous enough for it's true meaning to go over most people's heads.

i don't think Haze and Lair are game of the year contenders, like i said before, but to put Heavenly Sword and Killzone 2 in the same BREATH as those games is an insult to the two latter titles, no matter what the meaning behind it.

you said what you said not to contribute anything meaningful to the debate, but to rattle the cage. i suppose your tactic worked, but that doesn't make it any less douchy.

[Legion]

"any less douchy"... wow your insults are even weak.

Each of the games I mentioned are ok games in their own right. But NONE are earth shattering console selling games. None have lived up to the hype that they generated. None are expected to resonate in the minds of people years from now.

Killzone was hyped equally in how Killzone 2 is now being hyped. I highly doubt that Killzone 2 will falter in the same way as it's predecessor but it does have more to live up to due to the fact that it is a sequel and should have learned from past mistakes.

I just don't see it as the end all savior of the PS3 that so many fanboys are spouting. I guess we will just wait and see.

Currently Sony has survived off of the hype of it's games and system, how long will that last? Why should we think Killzone 2 will be any different?

[Figboy]

console movers if they're GOOD F*CKING GAMES??

this mentality of expecting every game to redefine the industry is both unreasonable and immature.

in the 25+ history of the gaming industry, how many genuinely revolutionary games are there?

out of those genuinely revolutionary games, how many were released during ONE generation of consoles?

Pac Man changed the gaming industry back on the Atari, because it was one of the first games, if not THE first game, to feature an actual protagonist, instead of a nondescript blip on the screen.

Pac Man paved the way for characters like Mario. games like Pitfall took that concept further by moving more towards human like characters.

that was during the Atari era.

Mario then came along in the Nintendo era, and it brought with it rather striking changes to the gaming landscape. the protagonist was more detailed (ie, you could tell he had a mustache and suspenders), the gameplay featured more depth (warp zones, pouncing on enemies to defeat them), and it even introduced a goal beyond just "make it to the other end of the screen" by having Princess that needed saving. Games like Donkey Kong (also featuring Mario), were precursors to that.

every game released after Pac Man and Mario, were pretty much derivatives of the concepts set forth by those games/characters. just about EVERY NES game was a sidescrolling platformer. games like Contra, Ninja Gaiden, and Castlevania broke the mold by offering up non-standard gameplay by introducing guns, swords, and whips to the side-scrolling formula, but they were still, in their core, platformers.

Ninja Gaiden paved it's own way by being one of the first titles to incorporate cinematics in it's narrative. this paved the way for many a game, even to this day, to feature lengthy cutscenes explaining the story.

Grand Theft Auto 3 was probably the FIRST truly revolutionary title to come along since the NES days. SNES games were just updated versions of NES games. early Playstation 1 and N64 games were simply 3D remakes of SNES games, and so on. the core gameplay of Mario 64 and Zelda: Ocarina of Time are fundamentally unchanged from their 2D counterparts. doesn't make them any less amazing.

even new games like Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Metal Gear Solid 4 are simply updated takes on previous games (System Shock, KOTOR, Metal Gear Solid).

games like Pixel Junk Eden, Braid, and Little Big Planet are probably three of the most original and unique titles out there, although i don't believe they are set to revolutionize anything. but then again, they don't HAVE to.

why can't a good game just be what it is; a good game?

i personally don't think games like Resistance 2, Mass Effect, Bioshock, MGS4, Heavenly Sword, Killzone 2, Ratchet and Clank Future, Ninja Gaiden, Uncharted, Prince of Persia, etc, break the mold, or redefine their respective genres, and yet, i count them among some of the best gaming experiences i've ever had.

i'm not going to cross my arms and snort in derision when a game fails to meet some exaggerated standard of perfection that myself, or the media decides to impose upon it.

i'm not going to hold a companies PR routine influence my assessment of the quality of the products they release. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo ALL talk big talk when it comes to their products. it's their job. but only a fool would take them for their word, and expect to be transported to "lucid dreams," the "4th dimension," or experience a "new way to play."

i'm old enough, and mature enough to see a game that i like, pick it up, pop it in the disk slot, and take the experience for what it is.

i don't see what being a system seller, console mover, blockbuster has to do with the quality of the gaming experience. when i'm playing 8 player co-op in Resistance 2 with some good players or my buds, i'm not thinking, "man, the latest VG Chartz says that this game didn't sell 3 million units. i'm totally not having fun now."

hell, Pans Labyrinth was a box office failure by industry standards, but that doesn't make it any less of an excellent movie.

Ico and Beyond Good and Evil sold HORRIBLY, and yet they are counted as two of the best games of all time.

your logic is skewed and broken, and you really need to reevaluate WHY you play video games in the first place, if the merit of a game is judged by how many OTHER people like it and bought it also.

i'd gladly take a bunch of excellent games, over ONE GAME TO RULE THEM ALL any day.

Resistance, Motorstorm, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Folklore, Ratchet and Clank Future, Uncharted, MGS4, Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2, Disgaea 3, Valkyria Chronciles, SOCOM, Little Big Planet, and the titles hitting next year are more than enough to be the "savior" of my Playstation 3.

it truly boggles my mind that there are gamers out there that think one title just HAS to justify the purchase of their console. i look for a strong library of games, and i personally think the 360 and PS3 aren't hurting in that category.

also, having PLAYED the Killzone 2 beta for a good three weeks, myself, and quite a few hundred other GAMERS can attest to the quality of Killzone 2. we can attest to the fact that it's NOTHING like it's predecessor in terms of gameplay, and that it is most certainly a game to keep an eye out for.

Killzone: Liberation on the PSP is the second Killzone title, and Guerrilla Games learned a lot from their mistakes on the PS2 Killzone. people ALWAYS seem to discount KZ: Lib when lamenting the hurdles of Killzone 2. Guerrilla Games has three games under their belt (Killzone, Shellshock Vietnam, and Killzone: Liberation). that's three times the experience making games, and with KZ2, they've also had the help of top dogs like Insomniac, Sony Santa Monica, and Naughty Dog, so they are not going at it alone.

Killzone was their FIRST GAME. period. they were noobs. bound to make mistakes. they are vets now, and have the help of other vets in the industry. from what i've seen and played of Killzone 2, it will be a fun gaming experience. i don't think it will revolutionize anything, but it doesn't have to to be a good game. this is something the gaming media seems to have forgotten, and quite a few gamers as well.

[Legion]

Do you really expect me or anyone else to read that?? lol

Get over yourself... simple fact is that Sony, and all the little Fanboys that follow it's lead, hype the hype just to try and get attention and then it backfires. And you never learn. You just keep coming back with the... "but the games aren't that bad..." story. They AREN"T that bad, but they also don't come close to what the fanboys claim, in actual game play or sales interest.

The Fanboys label the games earth shattering... I just don't agree with them.

[ZILLA]

xbox has won the battle but PS3 has won the war,K I L L Z O N E 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mll09]

One criticism of the article. The grammar is poor but whatever.

To his question about whether it would get as much hate if it was a multi-plat.

No, the 360 crowd would be praising it to the heavens and saying that the PS3 would only get a crappy port.

This game is gonna be good so you xbots build a bridge and get over it.

Look to the future, at least you have Alan Wake.

[xg-ei8ht]

A well written piece.

GG.

[Kubrick]

It all has to do with the fake CGI video that Sony showed off a few years back that stole all of thunder from Nintendo, Microsoft, and even Sony itself. The fake trailer hurt Sony's reputation and made people buy the PS3 for a game that still doesn't exist.

Secondly, off topic subject. All the PS3 fanboys who praise its graphics over the 360 need to get a life. The difference is minimal. These are primarily the same people who loved PS2 and hated XBOX even though the XBOX had way better graphics than the PS2 by a huge margin.

[rTR-Pioneer]

xbots and the media who can't face up to the fact that they were wrong when they dished out the abuse on the e3 2005 trailer, they simply cannot take the fact that they were wrong and the game easily lives up to the trailer, they will soon have to eat a lot of humble pie, especially with other awesome games on the horizon

[eagle21]

360 is OUTDATED.

[eagle21]

Most of my family has PS3. 360 is outdated and both of my 360 owning cousins admit it. They are getting PS3 soon for K2 and MLB 09' the show. They think Uncharted 2 looks awesome also (game informer cover article). We talk hot games, not bias BS.

The internet MS jerkoffs are gumps. 360 bias is for low life halo nerds who aren't even 1% cool..

[retro]

blender render trailer from E3 2005's Sony press conference and all the subsequent lies and touched-up screenshots - that's the reason.

[Tacticity]

It truly is the Halo killer. It truly is.

[zonetrooper5]

Hard Sci-fi (Name 3 games that have hard sci-fi in them) - Are you sure you know what Hard Sci-Fi means - http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

If you mean a gritty warzone Sci-Fi FPS game then yeh there probably has been many of them before.

First Person Cover System - I'll give you that one.

Hit Response - Not really sure what you mean there.

Multiplayer classes (Tactician, Engineer) - Look at Team Fortress 2 and other class based mutiplayer games

Swapping multiplayer secondary abilities - Pretty sure other games have done this before.

The best graphics technology of this generation so far - Crysis likes to have a word with you.

Realistic guns that have weight - Red Orchestra is a relastic WW2 shooter, guns have weight to them as does everything else.

The Best FPS clan system to date - This is opinon
The best in game stat tracking to date - Halo 3 has a pretty damn detailed stat tracking system as well

All of the above isn't new apart from the first person cover system. Most of the hype is due to the graphics, granted they are bloody good but it really doesn't bring that much to the FPS genre, hell Halo 3 at least had forge mode where you could crazy crap within in the maps and then you got the saved films feature which is a great feature to show off your skills or funny videos you have. Killzone 2 looks set to be a solid, good looking shooter and nothing more.

[Ju]

"Killzone 2 looks set to be a solid, good looking shooter and nothing more. " Didn't know you played the game. If not you just defined "bias".

[spike]

I still like the 360 better just because people talk online unlike the PS3. I have a 360, and a PS3. I have Gears Of War2, and Resistance 2. Gears way better single player, Resistance 2 way better online even though not that many people have headphones. I dont hate Killzone 2, it looks good but the first one sucked. I will wait for a review and if it gets a 9 or better I will reserve it and buy it on day one

[wolfsrain]

who gives a sh.t ...killzone 2 is gonna be awesome!! we PS3 owners dont give a damn how much the 360 owners get depressed over RROD lol

[retro]

(wrong topic, sorry deleted)

[Bits-N-Kibbles]

A HATER.

[hadouken007]

its not a 360 game and or exclusive.