Halo Infinite is suffering from more delays and cut features. Is the future of the franchise still best handled by 343?
If you’re having to ask this question you already know the answer.
We know your answer... But seriously, i have no problem with 343 making halo games. i mean the studio is named for guilty Spark for crying out loud. Keep the studio... just get rid of the bad apples within it that dont understand how a Halo game should be treated. I mean its obvious they have some staff there that might be better suited for other projects. And there are some talented people waiting who would love to bring this franchise back to the glory days. That seems like a fair compromise.
The bad apples in charge of 343 also have had or are in management in Xbox as well. So basically it needs new management, keep Joe Staten in charge and hopefully it can return to the glory days. But that's not a guarantee, because not every Peter Jackson movie is near as good as the original LOTR trilogy, even the best have duds once in a while.
I’m not quite sure there would be a studio left from getting rid of the ‘bad apples’ that tarnish the Halo series. The developers had plenty of time and resources for the game to reflect that at launch. Time and money wasn’t the problem. The skills of the employees is. Halo should go to another developer, and I think it’s best if 343 used their creativity to design something new instead of building from an already existing formula they inherited
@above... Nosk you are saying its management and Sony is saying its employees yet both of you are saying the same thing as me. They are the bad apples who need to go. you can gut an entire studio and replace them with fresh new talent. but keep the damn name exactly as it is. Let the new team redeem the name 343 because 343 was created specifically to make Halo games. giving it to some other studio would just be weird. That's like asking Chevrolet to stop making the Corvette because some other company could make it better. So why not keep the brand at the company and just hire the team to make it better? Why does changing the developer have to be the answer? Rare was gutted right before MS bought them and they struggled for a while before going through some employee changes to be the Rare that is there now. and they have been better now than when they made Grabbed by the Gholies. Still Rare in name even though the players changed. Do y'all get it yet?? Every big production house didnt start off big. they had to cut the fat and nurture talent and bring in people to get to being great. 343 needs to do the same. i agree the current staff have not been very forthcoming with ideas like Bungie was... but there is no reason why they cant cut the fat and nurture talent and bring in people from the outside and make 343 a quality studio.
The problem is 343 was hand picked specifically to take MS's singularly most golden franchise and make it soar to new heights. They bombed at their only goal and honestly probably shouldn't exist whatsoever. Split the actual talent into studios they'd actually enjoy working for and move on, the studio is a bust and Halo is going to not even matter to MS anyway after the Activision acquisition
Yeah, I do understand that Joe Staten is a guy that knows what made Halo special and unfortunately he only came in during the final year of development for Halo Infinite but if there is a guy that can make the next game better, it's him. I do understand that even tho the franchise had some duds, Marvel in the 90s had bottom of the barrel movies, like straight to dvd at best and were no where near the quality of it's rivals, and Disney also had a period where the movies weren't good and rebounded, so let's hope that they get a clear vision of what Halo needs to be and not change it and only have the temp contractors assist in areas where they don't change anything important cause thats why 6 years didn't seem long enough cause they felt the need to change things after the last temp guy left.
Agreed. With the right change in leadership, the rest of the studio will follow. There's nothing to the name other than the people
Absolutely NOT! But a better question is does Ms still care about Halo now that they have COD and overwatch? Halo is no longer competing against COD
Halo was and still is part of the exclusive IP that is intended to keep people on the Xbox platform vs. PS. Of course MS cares about it, just like they care about Gears and Forza. As much as things look different on the surface I think these fundamentals stay the same
The fact that they took the game free to play answers that question.
Yeah. Nobody in their right mind could say yes.
Stupid to even ask that question. No, no and no again. They have shown they are totally inept of running this franchise and have driven it into the ground. Phil Spencer needs to make some changes and quickly or he is just as incompetent as 343.
Not at all. I say give Id Software a chance. Let 343 do their own thing and maybe they'll do something decent.
Or maybe Activision if they get the deal across the line.
According to some, 343 is doing a superb job! Keep them on the Halo IP
I don't know. As a Halo fan who has been there from the exact begining, I have always been there for the campaign. The multiplayer was never a factor for me, though I would play with Forge here and there. I thought the 4 campaign was meh. I didn't even bother with the 5 campaign for more than half an hour of gameplay after it came to Gamepass. I still think Infinite's campaign is the best and most fun to play. And that's next to Reach, which has always been my favorite of the series, and was Bungie's swan song. I know that many people are saying Infinite's multiplayer gameplay is the best it has ever been, but it's the overall lack of content that's the issue. That leads me to believe that, as a legitimate fan of the series, 343 now understands they are on the right track with the campaign end of things, but definitely need help from a seasoned developer to help on the multiplayer side.
“I still think Infinite's campaign is the best and most fun to play. And that's next to Reach“ Not even close. Reach was amazing. Halo Infinite just throws you in an open world and basically just tells you to go here, then there, then over there, and back again. It’s really not that great.
If you insist. I'm not someone to tell someone not to enjoy something just because I don't like it. Just explain the reasons I don't like it. You didn't like the open world and found it monotonous; I loved the open world and found it refreshing for the series, being I've been playing Halo since day one, and it becoming more and more a corridor shooter boring.
A corridor shooter is no more boring than an open world Halo game with wasted space everywhere. Open world is fine but I think a semi open world would fit much better. Really the only thing Infinite got right was the gameplay. It’s solid and fun. Sadly that’s where it ends.
It’s lazy in my opinion Like they knew it was a nightmare during development and decided to take the easy way out, using open world repetitiveness to make the game feel longer
the most expensive flop ever made, phil needs to look in the mirror, fix his hair and say, your fired
It was far from a flop. Just mismanaged. They need a support team who can better handle the online portions of the game.
Imagine needing a support team while having over 650 employees. Regardless, Certain Affinity is helping them and The Coalition also helped them launch the game. This has to be one of the most mismanaged studios I’ve ever witnessed.
Give Infinity Ward or Treyarch a shot at it.
I think 343 nails the core gameplay of Halo. My issue is with the lack of content. Halo infinite should have been delayed further to improve what’s already there. MS should have just kept Bungie to insure Halo was in good hands. I don’t think it’s to late for Infinite but it’s definitely on its last legs.
I don't know if 343 is right or wrong but Master Chief has not grown. There cannot be another Halo if Chief doesn't grow with every Chapter. To me the lack of Chief growing and with it the pursuits changing is what makes the 343 Halo's so flat.
If he grows any more they are going to need a new suit which would be a major pain. They could maybe add high-heels to the next update though.
He could grow sideways maybe? That way they could kill him off due to health concerns.
No. Have bethesda or activision give a try. 343 needs to be wiped off the planet. Sledgehammer or treyarch perhaps, infinity ward can keep making cod though.
Imo 5 came out of the gate feeling like a cod knock off with ads and controls that would be at home there halo isn't cod and that's what made 5 the weakest entry to date. Handing the reigns to cod studios would make that worse
Of course not. They're going downwards in quality, not up and it's too important a franchise...what's left of it. Take it off of them. LIKE NOW.
I would say don't rush to find a different dev, let 343 do what they can for Halo Infinite (too late to save it anyways), and then let Halo takes a break, find the right dev slowly. While letting their other studios to have the creative freedom to build games that they believe in.
4,5 infinite spot the classic. Trick question
Let's see, a dev who pretty much killed off the Halo franchise as of now or... literally anyone else. Seems pretty obvious.
not sure if Halo will be as good like it was in the past when Bungie develop it.
Yes, but with a complete overhaul of talent. There's no excuse for this game having TWO new maps in the entire first year and all the stuff that's happened. Now the campaign was amazing. They hit that out of the park. The multiplayer's mechanics are the best in the series.... They can build great things. But Forge and Coop were supposed to be out in February. Season 1 and 2 lasted 6 months, now Season 3 is pushed till March? 1 new weapon coming in the first 15 months? None of this makes any sense. It's like 4 people are working on Halo.
So what, close the studio and make a new studio with the same people in charge? That won’t solve anything. Just get rid of the people in charge (a lot left anyway) of 343 and get people that care about Halo.
They made this studio specifically for HALO, sounds like the need better management. This game was delayed because it was a mess and even with the delay it released still a mess. Clearly they must not be working efficiently, and that could be due to leadership.
The answer is obviously no, and it has been no for years. They've already outstayed their welcome with the franchise.
343 should be disbanded, the 10 or so people left with any talent put in other studios, and the office equipment given to good will.
Yes. But they need to fire Bonnie Ross ASAP… How many dumpster fires are they going to let her set?
343i is pitiful. A studio created for the singular purpose of continuing and improving upon Bungie's work with Halo, and in more than 10 years, they have only made constant errors and dropped the ball. I know that the standard was set extremely high. Halo Reach was an absolute beast of a game, Bungie's Magnum Opus. Halo 4 was 343i's first Halo game. That's ok. It was fun, and different, and tried to create its own identity. The multiplayer was fun, if scaled back a bit, fast paced to keep up with the CoD trend. But then it was miss after miss. Halo 5 was an aimless piece of trash that didn't know what it wanted to be. Master Chief Collection.... We know how that went, and that wasn't even a new game. It was ports, and they couldn't even get that right for 5 years. Those games STILL have some issues. Halo Infinite was supposed to be THE game to have in 2020, and was lambasted and ridiculed so much it was delayed almost a year. A flagship title. When it finally cane out, thankfully it was worth it, with really good classic Halo multiplayer, although I feel the campaign is a little slow. Halo should be a mature IP by now with incredible numbers and semi anual releases doing 10m copies sold. It should be a standard for FPS games, and action games in general. It should be what people point to and say, "I bought a PC/Xbox for this", and people should reply, "DAMN, that's awesome." 343i.... You already had the foundation. The best gungame in the industry, developed through years by Bungie. Some of the richest lore in gaming. The full backing and resources of one of the biggest companies in the world. Either get your act together, or you gotta go.
Noway let The Coalition take over going forward
Yes. It's funny.
Nope every entry 343 makes in the Halo franchise gets worse and worse.
I just got an Xbox series X last week and I can say halo infinite gameplay is awesome and feels like a modern halo game but I can already see the lack of content. It boggles my mind that they have 20 years of halo content and lore to draw from but stuggle to add more maps and game modes. A season should last 4 months not 10 months and they need to reward good players with more exp. There should also be none premium currency available for free to play players. They only offer ugly skins and very little cosmetics for the free tier. I don't feel like paying for a battle pass when the amount of content is being trickled in once or twice per year. The studio needs some intervention from Xbox.
As a Sony fanboy I am more than happy for 343i to stay in charge.
343 just need a better script writer & business plan going forward. If the FTP multiplayer idea is hampering content development this should definitely be scrapped for the next instalment. It is good but updates have been sluggish. Also the events prior to halo infinite IMO should of been what the game focused on i.e. losing the war against the Banished. Someone dropped the ball, a new SW with a compelling new vision going forward on where the story goes from here is sorely needed.
I'd give halo to the coalition and gears to 343 and see what happens. Well technically I'd give halo to ID software
If you like your feet to be as big as your thighs. Seriously I would definitely get Activision on it once it is acquired cause I will say they do make some amazing campaigns.
I haven't enjoyed a single Halo since they took over. Infinite was OK as far as the feel of Halo. But it was CLEARLY unfinished and unpolished. 343 is a joke imo
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