With Gotham Knights, WB Games Montréal Is Making Way Too Many Boring Choices

Half-Glass Gaming's Josh Wirtanen writes: "There's so much potential to make Gotham Knights interesting and even groundbreaking, but the more I see, the less faith I have in WB Games Montréal to actually pull it off."

[leahcim]

I have faith on them. I was on the fence. With all the gameplay reveal I cannot wait for the release.

[SDuck]

I had faith on them. I wasn't on the fence. Then I saw all the gameplay reveals and lost all hope on this game.

[lucian229]

the games have literally been trash since the first Arkham game. combat has always been shallow and lame, this looks no different

[Minute Man 721]

Is a Superman game really that hard to make?

[EmperorDalek]

Doesn't matter, Warner Bros didn't allow Rocksteady to give it a go.

[senorfartcushion]

No, it’s not. It’s like an open world Sonic game. It’s always been simple to plan out; it’s just that no one has done it.

Make it like Spider-Man but with more robots and krypronite weapons

[CrimsonIdol]

It's not that simple to plan out when you get to "how do you make this fun/challenging/engaging" though

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

I think you are underestimating the effort needed to get a city to load as fast as Superman flies.

The one reason I never got a jet in GTAV is because they fly too slow…. Superman would’ve had the same issue without an SSD as an industry standard.

[porkChop]

It can be. I remember reading something many years ago where they explored why it was so hard to make a good Superman game. Superman was designed to be overpowered. So to make him really feel like Superman would result in a game with no real challenge. The only way to make the game more challenging is to take away/hinder his powers, which is exactly what people complain about.

Superman is just a poorly designed character for video games.

The only idea I could see working is if you explore his origin/teenage years where he's learning about his powers and how to control them. But even then people still wouldn't be happy because you're taking his powers away.

[Imalwaysright]

No he isn't because he isn't even close to being the strongest character in DC comics. You could put him against stronger characters than him like Zoom or Shazam or if you want to see him go against impossible odds have him go against Morningstar or Unbound Spectre.

[porkChop]

That would work for boss fights, sure. But your not thinking about the rest of the game when you'd be fighting regular enemies.

[Kurt Russell]

Or a game where Superman has gone evil and you're job it to take him down.

[senorfartcushion]

That’s only because half of the devs become stupid and try to avoid Superman being hurt by giving cities a health bar or something.

That’s a weird way to go. It takes away the traditional mindset of having to watch your character’s health all the time. Being invincible in the game is fun for cheats but having a city as a health bat turns the game from an action adventure to a racing game, and not everyone likes racing games.

[EvertonFC]

Totally agree, also gamers would shit on the fact the game would have a invisible wall as to not allow you to fly everywhere.
You'd have to have some kind of kryptonite dome over a city as an example and lose your powers or something again something the fans wouldn't be happy with.
Imagine starting a AAA 5 year development cycle of a superman game? I bet you wouldn't have many good night sleeps.
I'd rather see a dev open up to the community of superman fans and say what do you want and not want in the game, what would work or not work for you etc before even starting the project.
I don't want to sound like Sony fanboy, but I think it's only a Sony 1st party studio who could potentially pull it off ?

[Seraphim]

I think Superman could be great in a game like Asura's Wrath [PS3], though, people would still complain no matter how good of an experience it is... imo, a Superman game would really have to be something different though. Just making an open world or even linear Superman game would just kind of fall flat. Because yeah, seriously, you smashed the nail on the head porkChop.

[H9]

Well if you wanna have Superman from ghting for real he would need to punch people through buildings and other crazy stuff you basically need to make a fully destructible city

[senorfartcushion]

You don’t though, really. You can with some special moves and things because really it should be more grounded, with special combos and things to send enemies flying. His abilities should come into focus, but the super strength can be largely ignored, until he has to lift cars off people and things like that.

Superman usually, largely, avoids smashing people through buildings anyway

[H9]

@SenorFartCushion if you gonna ignore his super strength then you ignore one of the largest parts of his appeal and lose tons of fans, also you will be forced to use much weaker villians because an OP villian is not gonna be like I RESPECT YOUR CITY I WON'T DESTROY IT

[Knightofelemia]

Only time will tell when the game drops and people get a feeling for the game.

[nevin1]

They should put a Trial for PS+ Premium(everyone really) subscribers.

[Christopher]

Nothing about gameplay or the like here, just the author disagreeing with who is what character or their backstory. And apparently, three choices are "too many."

[TheKingKratos]

Hey made a fantastic Arkham origins...should have gone for it sequel or did superman game

This game is pretty boring and outdated ...no way i paying 70$ for this on ps5

[Extermin8or3_]

You have played it then?

[TheKingKratos]

It look outdated in both graphics and animation like an early ps4 game ... can't even call it that when Arkham Knight exist

[senorfartcushion]

Isn’t that the quota for games nowadays

[1nsomniac]

Ive enjoyed their previous games but I have absolute 0 interest in this one. I’m calling a flop on this one.

[TicklefistCP]

Speculation is useless. Firsthand experience opinion pieces only plz thanks.

[CorndogBurglar]

They went with the characters they went with because they are all sidekicks or former sidekicks of Batman. And these are the most popular ones. They didn't do Cassandra Cain or Stephanie Brown because they are less known than Tim Drake. (Who is arguably the best Robin to ever wear the costume)

They didn't use Azrael because he's a huge wildcard that was never really Batman's sidekick.

They went with Barbara Gordon because she's the current Batgirl in the comics. And her paralysis is also still canon. She got a spinal implant that allowed her to continue crime fighting and now she splits time as Oracle and Batgirl. For someone that claims to have been obsessed with Batman comics and the people that come into Bruce's life, I'm not sure how you didn't know this. It's what happened in the comics. So I'm sure in this game she didn't just "magically get better" like you seem to be assuming. It's not offensive to victims of paralysis. There's a REASON she can walk again. If you think real paralyzed people are offended that a fictional paralyzed character got a fictional spine implant to let her walk again, then you are mistaken. It isn't giving them false hope. You just don't know what you're talking about because you seem to think Barbara just unexplainedly got better one day.

[DaniMacYo]

This is a kiddy game. Will be boring after 5 minutes of gameplay. Looks cartoonish and cheap.

[SDuck]

I agree with all that but for the 1000th time, this game is NOT a continuation of the Arkham series!

[MocBistro]

I don't know why people would bother a batman world game without batman

[X-23]

I'll play it, but Suicide Squad may be the better option in terms of quality and general overall fun. I don't think it will be a bad game, just a mediocre one with a multiplayer gimmick, people immediately think about the Arkham series when this game is mentioned even though I don't think it's being marketed that way.
Either way it looks like it'll be an alright game, nothing groundbreaking or spectacular and I'm ok with that.

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

It looks so uninteresting to me. The Red Hood magic jump thing ruined it for me. They would’ve been better off just sticking to two characters since it is ONLY 2 player.

Batman and Robin would’ve had a healthy overlap of abilities.

[Npugz7]

Honestly it does look very good from what they have shown

[Kratos_Kart2007]

Its like only Batman exists...