From VGC: "Final Fantasy producer Naoki Yoshida has said that the reason Final Fantasy 16 doesn’t feature turn-based combat is so that the game will to appeal to a younger audience.
Speaking in the latest issue of Famitsu, translated for VGC by contributor Robert Sephazon, the developer said that the team had to reassess the audience Final Fantasy was appealing to.
“I’m from a generation that grew up with command and turn-based RPGs,” Yoshida said. “I think I understand how interesting and immersive it can be. On the other hand, for the past decade or so, I’ve seen quite a number of opinions saying ‘I don’t understand the attraction of selecting commands in video games’.
“This opinion is only increasing, particularly with younger audiences who do not typically play RPGs.”"
Square Enix has published the patch notes for Final Fantasy 16's next update, which is set to drop on the 18th April alongside The Rising Tide DLC. They're surprisingly lengthy, and cover a lot of stuff that was never actually mentioned by the developer upon the update's announcement last month.
This perfectly exemplifies why I choose to wait quite a while to buy ‘new’ games. This meaty patch basically makes the game an improved experience overall from what it originally was. My first impression and experiences of the game will arguably be ‘better’ than it would have been otherwise.
It might have been spurred on by the DLC, but thankfully these changes apply to the whole game. Similar to how Cyberpunk got major game mechanic improvements ahead of that DLC drop.
Have there been any improvements to the performance mode in recent updates? The game seemed great, but I wasn't pleased with the way it looked in performance mode. I'm hoping there is a major Pro update.
No minigames?
No playable party members?
No fixing the boring environments?
No actual rpg mechanics?
This turd polish 'patch' is just a scam now.
whoa buddy, love both games but Elden Ring is a masterpiece.
No minigames? -->how would this apply to Elden Ring, when have minigames ever been a thing in the Souls franchise
No playable party members -->The variety of playstyle in Elden Ring more than solves for this
Boring environments -->Have you played Elden Ring?
No actual RPG mechanics --> LOL
@mrcatastropheAF
I love both Elden Ring and FFXVI.
My point was that the all his 'bullet points' for being a bad game was stupid.
Regarding the points:
No minigames?
- Not even half of the FF-games have minigames, most rpgs doesn't, so why would no minigames mean a bad game?
- No playable partymember?
There is none in Elden Ring, nor in FFXVI.
There are different combat styles in both, yes.
- No fixing the boring environments?
Elden Ring, even thou not graphically a masterpiece, looks amazing, and so does FFXVI with higher fidelity. His opinion of bad environments is not shared by many.
- No actual rpg mechanics?
I agree there is less in FFXVI than in many other games, but the rpg genre has moved, many times over.
And regarding Elden Ring, what would you say adds to the rpg mechanics that is missing from FFXVI?
Not even half have minigames? Wouldn't say that at all. Only one that I can think of from 16 of them is 16 itself. 5 possibly didn't as well.
@andy85
Minigames was first introduced in FFVII.
From I-VI no mini games was included in the first releases.
VII, VIII, IX and X had typical minigames.
XII had a crappy fishing
XIII had nothing if you don't count Dreadnought, which is less mini-game than controlling Ifrit in FFXVI.
XV had 2, fishing and Justice Monsters Five, at release.
Hm that's not really true. FF1 had the secret puzzle minigame on the OG version. You're right that the other games didn't, but later releases of the other ones had them added in once it became more of a series staple. So those games still ended up having them. I forgot about XIII. That's probably the only 'recent' one lacking in them.
when you fail to see games for their own merits, strengths and weaknesses. I thought XVI was an excellent game in it's own right. Shit remove Final Fantasy from the title and it stands on it's own, but that is part of the problem right. Final Fantasy has been around so long people have expectations of what they feel/think is or isn't FF. Sure there are some aspects that could've been improved/better, but overall XVI was an epic experience & dam solid video game.
Push Square: "Final Fantasy 16 was one of our favourite games of 2023, and so we wanted to find out more about The Rising Tide — the title's second and final expansion — ahead of its release on the 18th April. Fortunately, we were lucky enough to land an interview with Takeo Kujiraoka — the veteran Square Enix dev who's actually the director of Final Fantasy 16's DLC, having previously been a lead combat designer for the base game."
PS: "The Rising Tide, the second and final expansion for Final Fantasy 16, is set to feature some of the game's most challenging combat scenarios. That's according to DLC director (and a lead combat designer for the base game) Takeo Kujiraoka, who, in an upcoming interview with Push Square, told us that the addition of DLC has allowed the development team to push the title's combat system."
I’ll be real, I don’t generally go into a FF game looking for difficulty. I just hope the trophies aren’t a nightmare to get. I need a break after doing the brutal/legendary challenges and hard mode in Rebirth. A lot of that was rage inducing.
I still need the last Brutal and Legendary in Rebirth before I can pop my Platinum.
Took a break to play through DD2 and RotR, but when I got back to Rebirth, I couldn't even get to the last encounters in said challenges.
Back to the drawing table.
But I'm with you, I don't need the brutal difficulty.
I just want a great game, which I think both XVI and Rebirth is.
I doubt it will be brutal difficulty like those challenges. Good luck with Rulers of the outer worlds and Bonds of friendship.
I just think they are making it harder because everyone seems to brease through XVI. I will be playing in Final Fantasy mode(Hard) so I welcome the challenge.
@VersusDMC
I should be able to get through Rulers of the Outer Worlds, just need to be quicker to swap to the character being targeted by Sephiroth.
I finally got the parry timing done, just that he kills off 2 of my characters too quickly 🤣
Haven't actually done to many tries with Bond of Friendship, but enough to know I needed a break after 240 hours with the game.
@Nino
Are you checking out youtube easy guides? Yuffie, Barret, Aerith ATB ward exploit got me through Rulers and Cloud genji glove magic set up for Bonds. Those are really the only really hard ones.
3d brawler, piano and pull ups are my nightmare to get to the platinum...
Will it also be more RPG, and less hack and slash?
Good game, really enjoyed the story but I'm not interested in more of it. I want SE to go back to traditional RPG style.
FF isn't that series anymore. If you're looking for good old turnbased goodness, you have to start pivoting toward things like Octopath by them. Even DQ12 might not be as traditional if the rumours are true.
I was talking mainly about it being a TRADITIONAL jrpg, which I don't see any FF being anymore.
It’s apparent from comments after XVI and Remake that they’re heading in more the Remake direction for future titles. Which is 100% an RPG.
I’ll still be waiting for the complete edition to drop. Maybe I’ll get to play it later on this year.
It's what it is. Younger generations and monkey brains will always be the priority for business unfortunately lol.
Man I'd love for them to return to turn based on a mainline FF some day just to test it out instead of testing it out on generic low budget games and spinoffs and concluding that action based is better just because of that lol.
I don't understand, that's a shitty way to look at it
When you have your old school fans you'll always be relevant, no matter how many years go by and sooner or later gamers from younger generations will pick up on the series, especially gamers who are so involved in the scene that they are always up to date with gaming news.
If you want to chase new, younger fans then do spin off games, and if they don't do well then that's unfortunately an internal problem who haven't done a good job at reaching out to them.
This isn't a dig at FF16 but in general, too many studios are using the main core series to chase the younger crowd and trends where the franchise starts to loose it's core roots, basically turning into a new IP with the franchises name slapped on it
Yakuza Like a Dragon, Persona, Dragon Quest, Octopath Traveler for example have shown that people still like turn based games so I don't get their problem.
yeah..I'll just ditch FFXVI in favour of any good turn based j-rpg's releasing as well. FF, the main series kinda sucks since FF13 anyway.
Im not young exactly but I'm glad its not turn based.
SE is blaming the age group instead of the reality in the numbers. Real time is wayyyyy more popular than turn based.
I'm old school..Gen X & I love action jrpgs. I prefer action battle systems over turned-based when it comes to jrpgs. The last turned-based battle system from Final Fantasy I enjoyed was FFXIII though I enjoyed the turn base jrpgs Persona 5 & Dragon Quest XI. I enjoyed the battle system in FFXV including games like Scarlet Nexus,Persona 5 Scramble & Tale Of Arise. FFXVI battle system looks like it's going to be quite fun.