Digital Foundry : Alex Battaglia, Rich Leadbetter and John Linneman convene to share their impressions and reactions to the incredible Matrix Awakens demos - plus we've interviewed Epic Games and can share much more about the technologies on display here.
The PS5 Pro runs The Matrix Awakens Unreal Engine 5 demo much better than the base model, showing how the system can handle the engine.
So, websites shouldn't be able to do hardware comparisons?
The two of you seem big mad that PS5 Pro is not only proving to be great hardware but also is selling well.
^^umm... no. Nobody gives a shit about an old ass demo. People want to see what it does to NEW stuff.
The only ones big mad are the parrots on here [like yourself] when others challenge the view on the Pro and whether or not it is currently worth it. Using old titles is not the way you sell your premium product. NEW titles should be doing that.
@Einhander1972 - who was mad?
My comment was a joke, along the lines of "in other news, water is wet". A stronger system can handle a gaming engine better? I'm shocked. I wonder if I upgrade my GPU from a 3080 to a 4080 it'll perform better..
I get my Pro next week.
@Einhander1972
There does seem to be some needless aggression in the air. The Pro has really ruffled feathers, and while I get why, it’s just something you have to deal with. A certain “neutral” someone in here now slings insults when questioned. Quite the turnaround from just a few years ago.
For the rest of us who actually bought the thing, it’s a fantastic piece of kit. Literally every game I’ve tried on it is a clear step above its PS5 counterparts and only rivaled by PC versions. Even PC struggles with UE5, so if devs can use this kit to better ports, that is welcome news.
@Behind - neither me nor darth had any level of aggression until Einhander came busting in the chat like the Kool-aid man. Stating the obvious isn't exactly newsworthy. Will we say that the PS6 can handle Unreal Engine better than the PS5 Pro when it comes along too?
Yeah rows... Im still more neutral than most here and because of that I can question things accordingly. if that is insulting to you then that is a YOU problem because I dont just go off half cocked at every chance like others do. I see people defending this thing because they have a vested interest in it... it doesnt need defending, it needs to show itself and why it has to be a must buy for the diehard fans. I am reminded of the 4Pro and it took the game God of War to really showcase how much better the Pro was to the base 4. This thing isnt going to get that same kind of chance because the base 5 is already so good and has yet to even be fully realized let alone need a Pro to save the day.
And as ive stated many time, my mind can change and i will get one but I need some serious convincing (like GoW did) to make me shell out another $700 to get this when i could just wait a couple more years and get a 6 which will eclipse this anyway for probably the same price.
So on this subject, I dont mind ruffling the [parrot] feathers because they need to be ruffled.
You are NOT more neutral than most here. I don't care what you tell yourself. You have a preference and the past few weeks is a clear indication of that. And you had absolutely no reason to say what you said to Einhander. Don't try to claim neutrality when your behavior says otherwise, especially calling people "parrots" and the like. That is exactly the type of aggression that someone would show when they offer a tainted view of things and someone neutral would have had no reason to take it there.
Now, there's not necessarily anything wrong with a preference and people can defend what they want to defend. You do it all the time with Xbox, so of course people are allowed to like what they like. Otherwise, yeah, it's all good.
@rows... liking what you like is fine, just like having a preference is fine. But having a preference still leaves the door open to try other things as well. hence why its called a preference. But you cant ignore there are more people [on this site] who have a bias which is worse than a preference. bias means your mind is made up and nothing will ever change it. they shit on something for the sake of just shitting on it because their mind tells them to. they cant even come to terms with why they have to shit on it in the first place. It is the same for defending something to no end without even understand what it is your defending.
so when i speak up in defense of something, its usually to counteract the bias that is being shared. If you say you see the real me then you'd see the times i criticize XB and praise PS... but you choose to only speak up when you see me defending XB or questioning PS, like in this situation of value / worth of the Pro as it stands currently. And not once did I ever shit on the Pro or say its bad, I simply question its value in this moment. And I'm not afraid to speak up about it where others might be, but it also goes to show i am also not alone in this.
@darth
Man, I've been on this site for maybe like 14 years, I hardly ever comment, isn't my style, I like reading the insightful and intelligent opinions of others... but man I gotta say you are one of the worst on here.... I say "worst" cause it's like you're utterly delusional and I'm glad many on the site like Einhander and Behind see right through your bullshit... you cliam neutrality but then say it's good to have a "preference", ignoring the fact that having a preference would negate your neutrality....then make cliams you call out XB on their crap and praise PS.. while me and others know you ONLY do that keep up the guise of being neutral.. then spout to the heavens that there's this major "Bias" on this site....yeah dude gtfoh with all that, there are many of us on here that catch on to your BS and that number I must say is gladly growing. You style is ever so subtle with your remarks, you'll catch many, but not all.
Let me ask a question: What's your opinion on the 2TB XBSX which releases soon that's only $100 less than the worthless Pro?.
and:
If MS also released a Pro console do you think the narrative of: "A PRO console isn't needed" would be the same?
@AAA... Im glad you asked. The 2tb X is a special edition and not the standard. Price wise its $100 more than a 1tb x and also $100 less than a 5 pro, so it sits in between when it should have been priced at the same $500 as the regular X and that one should be priced to sell to clear out if they plan on making it the new standard. I get that prices havent really been making the changes like usual, but its been 4 years now and even the 512gb S is still priced at $300 when that should be $200 or less to clear them out and make the 1tb S $300 if they want to stay the course. And MS said from the beginning they would not be releasing a Pro console because the X is their premium and the S their budget. If they were to change their mind... hell yeah I call out that shit as well because they arent even making full use of their X to begin with. Just like Sony and the base 5. Its not hard to see that what should be a premium for a better experience (doing something the base cannot) is more of a cash grab on the PS side because at least with the X it CAN do things the S cannot. Where the S generally gets sidled with only one mode, the X offers two. now if sony were to all of a sudden remove the option to run in performance or quality mode on the base 5 and make that a pro only feature, not only would that be a shit move to the millions of existing 5 users but it would be considered something the Pro could do that the base 5 cannot... Do you understand now? Making it do something the other cant adds value and just combining perf/quality modes is not the flex people think it is so long as the option to run either still exists for the base model.
And yes you can be more neutral while having a preference... being more neutral (in this hobby) is finding the balance to play all the platforms across the board, which I do. I have a very good understanding of all of them and can give my own real world experience as examples where those who are one sided can only give their one sided view (while shitting on the other).
All i want is for people to stop being so negative towards the things they have no interest in. that is XB gamers shitting on PS and PS gamers shitting on XB and both shitting on Nintendo because there is something fun to be found in all of them. you just have to be open to playing the field. I will never stop touting that centrist stance as it is who i am and always has been.
@darth
"Its not hard to see that what should be a premium for a better experience (doing something the base cannot) is more of a cash grab on the PS side because at least with the X it CAN do things the S cannot."
And there it is, that bias and one sided shallow veiw point when it comes to MS vs PS in any sort of discussion or debate.... like are you kidding me?..... 1st of all the PS5 Pro is a MID-GEN UPGRADE.. it's a bigger leap in tech when compared to the PS4 & PS4 Pro...like wtf?. your expectation of it doing something the base CANNOT akin to a generational leap isn't warranted, it should be doing things BETTER which it IS proving to be doing even at this early stage.. which brings me to point 2: The console released A WEEK AGO, WHY would you unfairly judge it this early when there has not been a SINGLE GAME released to take advantage of the hardware at this stage???...
Point 3: With regards to your flawed point of the performance mode and quality mode, they are options provided by the base console that the PRO is performing BETTER at, which it was designed to do so wtf are you even talking about?....
Also nice way of dodging what I asked of you with the 2TB XSX, MS is being made to look stupid, how can you release a more expensive console in a market you're struggling in with it's base price just $100 less than your competitors console which is almost 50% more powerful in hardware and offers a more advanced feature set than your product?.. Crazy work man...
Mark my words, as I said before, within the next 12months, when more of Sony's first party exclusive lineup releases along with 3rd party AAA blockbusters that take advantage of the Pro's tech, everyone will be singing a different tune.
@AAA... you asked what did I think of the 2tb X, i said its priced too high and it should be the price of the 1tb X if they want to make that the new standard. how is that dodging the question?
and this: "Its not hard to see that what should be a premium for a better experience (doing something the base cannot) is more of a cash grab on the PS side because at least with the X it CAN do things the S cannot."
Lets look back at the 4Pro (since you brought it up). the 4Pro was able to do stuff the base 4 could not. Like run games in higher res as well as improved frame rates. Where the base 4 would sometimes struggle to maintain 30fps... the Pro would make that solid and even higher into the 45-60 range depending on the game and there was no choice of performance / quality back then. it did it by virtue of being a better machine AND it was priced at the same as the base 4 originally released at. It was more bang for the buck by comparison.
The Series X is like the 4Pro in that it too can run games in higher res and faster frames by default compared to the Series S. Then you can use performance or quality modes in games that offer it for even better image quality and performance over the Series S. Its effectively the Pro console for XB and priced at only $500. the 5Pro is an "I dont know who this thing is for" console because its coming out at a time where we havent even seen the base 5 pushed to the point of warranting a Pro like we saw with the 4/Pro when it came out.
this is the hill i am willing to die on because it just isnt worth it "right now". This entire generation has been a clusterfuck compared to last. Maybe thats because these companies have yet to fully remove themselves from the 8th gen, so we are very underwhelmed by what is being passed off as 9th gen games when they are really 8.5 gen. both Series X and PS5 do better at running 8th gen games because 9th gen has yet to fully start...
Maybe by the end of this gen a 5Pro will really shine as by then they will have let go of the past and started making games that really showcase its capabilities compared to the base 5. you know... new stuff that make it worth having rather than just combining perf/quality.
No, there was a time when I thought you had grown to neutrality. I'll give you that. But, of late, you've shown that you just aren't the bipartisan happy-go-lucky you claim to be. Sure, you defend PlayStation every now and then, but it's never to the degree of Xbox and you've never been so aggressive when defending it either. I speak up when I see you being hypocritical. Someone accused you of being mad. What did you do? Prove him right! There are quite a few people on here who are neutral parties and never behave like that.
In any event, because you're not supposed to be the topic of discussion, we can move on. No, you aren't a bad person for having an obvious preference, but the preference, at least based on your posts, is very real. Nothing wrong with that. Needless name calling? That is an issue.
Ps5 Pro was the last nail in the coffin for me to get a PC after 27 years of loyal service.
Just curious, why does it matters if PS5 Pro exists or not? People can still buy PS5.
People make out the Pro to be superior to a decent PC, it's not. It's good, but PC is still better overall. See DF's latest video, 4070 20+ fps faster than Pro, better RT (Pro is lower than the low setting on PC) and Pro has a fair amount of shimmering on the floor, and CPU bound games will show the same limitations as the original PS5.
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@Number1TailzFan
And your point is? 4070 is more expensive than the whole PS5 Pro.
Northpaws
People were saying that the Pro is like a 4070, obviously not, but you can get a close equivalent AMD card right now (RDNA4 and RTX 5000 early next year) and a much more recent and better CPU, overall system cost just a few hundred more than the PS5 Pro minus the cost of the disc drive.
"minus the cost of the disc drive"... and windows, and a controller, and a keyboard and mouse... Not to mention only being able to buy games digitally after spending over $1k.
My PC constantly nags me to buy viagra and escorts. My PS5 Pro has a much more positive influence on my life. It’s like, “awww bro, you picked up a sweet achievement”, “check out this free shit this month”, “get in on these killer sales my dude!”.
Why? No one's forcing you to get one and all the games will run great on standard PS5.
Good luck playing with windows, installing drivers weekly, dealing with half dozen store fronts, and checking websites to get optimum settings every time you want a quick gaming session. It's an all digital market too, no physical.
I have a £2.5k pc rig, but hardly ever touch it for gaming. Couch console experience is absolutely miles better than fiddling with PCs, and I say that as someone who has had a state of the art pc for at least 30 years. I was a developer for over 2 decades which is why I always have one, but when I want to chill with a game I always reach for a console.
If your post is genuine then I genuinely hope you enjoy it more than I ever have, for a lot of casual gamers, it's an expensive mistake
Thank you. Will sail different waters. I get to play old games as intended, thats a good excuse. Without to wait for any patch.
Enjoy spending 2k rig with a perpetual $700 updates or not paying 2k and playing really old games with compromised graphics with perpetual $500 upgrades.
Pretty great, this is without even any Pro updates. I'd like to see how it would perform with PSSR enabled.
Yep, should make for some nice improvements overall!
Key being right here: The Matrix Awakens Unreal Engine 5 demo runs considerably better on the newly released system than on the base system without a dedicated patch that would allow the demo to take full advantage of the PS5 Pro's power and features.
If I ran something with a 3080 and then the same thing with a 3090, I'd also get improved performance with no patch required. Food for thought I guess.
@Neonridr
I get that you're trying to somehow have an issue here where there shouldn't be one, but respectfully, who cares?
@Neonridr
You seem to be sarcastically pointing out that "of course it should run better, it's newer hardware" right?... but that sentiment has made a total 180, since before the PRO's launch part of the narrative against it was that "it isn't worth an upgrade because you can Hardly see a difference from the base PS5" while ignoring the fact that anyone doing comparisons and tests were limited with what they could do because the freakin console wasn't fully available 2 months ago. Now it's "well duh it's better hardware"??... The fuck??
@Triple - regardless if it's a 10% increase or a 90% increase, it'll run stuff better. That's a given. Hence the sarcastic tone. Imagine the Pro ran something poorer than the base PS5? Would make zero sense.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, now this is just me assuming, that the PS6 will handle it better than the PS5pro. Don't kill me. I could be wrong. I'm going to also assume that the PS6 pro will handle it better than the PS6.
No need to go out on a limb, that’s sorta kinda the whole point I was alluding to… and you could say PS7 will handle it better than the PS6 Pro.
I hate statements like these.
For this pricetag, I expect the console to do everything better than the base model. Period.
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Following the announcement of The Matrix 5, a new Matrix game on PS5 and Xbox needs to happen, but let's leave Keanu Reeves behind.
That unreal demo was amazing, to bad it was “unreal” and stayed as a proof of concept.
I’d give anything to be able to play the mmo that came out. I was too young and has no computer…
I would love to see a new matrix game. That is indeed a game world that has plenty of story and gameplay potential.
I’ll only play a Matrix game if it has more Neo and Trinity. I saw the 4th Matrix movie and can’t tell you the names of anyone else.
I think I managed about 30 minutes of Resurrections before turning it off, which is bad considering the original Matrix is probably my favourite movie of all time.
I think the only good thing about the 4th film was the fact these characters came back
I just wish they managed to create a story where Morpheus could have came back aswell, even if he tried to rescue them and he also got captured so he didn't age.
Trust me, I would let this one go. There is no way any available studio that can work on this game would make a good game.
This, i don't think anyone has the talent for this kind of game anymore, and the few that might are under the influence of live service pushing bosses.
The Xbox Series S is, on paper, every bit as feature-rich as the Series X. It's based on the same fundamental RAM, storage, CPU, and GPU technologies - which of course means that it is ray tracing capable. You can absolutely get RT acceleration on the system, just like any other RDNA 2-based hardware platform.
The S is a pretty impressive machine. I could see MS transitioning it to a more portable form factor if they so desired. Maybe even team up with Valve to make steamdeck 2 essentially a portable Series S.
I don't know why Microsoft hasn't taken any initiative in making a more gaming-friendly Surface Laptop. They had those 1-2 cycles with one or two AMD variants but those aren't part of the lineup anymore. AMD announced new mobile chips with massive battery life and Surface hardware financials are nosediving - in the face of Steam Deck, Windows on ARM continuing to be ASS, and Nvidia gaming laptops ever growing, MS could really use a shakeup.
Imagine writing this with 0 knowledge of anything that you're talking about. Please explain how they would "transition" a 100W device into a 15W portable form factor.
...die shrinks tend to increase efficiency and reduce tdp which would result in a more cost effective and portable friendly chip. Reducing the amount of power reduces the amount of heat which reduces the need for the current heat dissipation design which can lead to a reduced overall size and make it more portable.
It's really not that hard to figure out as it has been done for decades with each revision of hardware over the course of a platforms lifecycle.
MS will never team up with Valve. They run competing stores on PC. Also, the Series S hardware couldn’t work as a handheld. That giant cooling fan is an indicator of the kind of heat that is pumped out by those chips. I don’t see much investment from Microsoft into ARM based chips and mobile graphics chips.
...well not in its current state. I swear people all of a sudden just forgot how chip technology evolves. Just look at something like the PS2 and PS2 slim. Same tech but they cut the size to 1/4 of the original. If we apply the same logic to something that is digital in nature, the series s can be shrunk down to roughly the same size as the slim ps2 or possibly even smaller. If the PSP is basically a portable PS2 and the Vita a PS3 then why is it so hard to think there could be a portable series s?
I have no doubts about 'could it be done'... the bigger question is 'would it be done'? That is for MS to decide. And looking at the steamdeck for comparison, the deck is pretty much already a portable PS4 so if it had a beefier CPU/GPU (like the Series S) then yes it can be done as a portable. Dont be surprised if steam deck 2 comes out as a 4tf or even 6tf machine. Like i said above, shrinks happen.
Ray tracing... If the ps5 and series x got problems to have games with rt without huge drops on rez.... Why even talk about a console that most games run at dynamic 1080p... Playing games at 540p with Ray tracing like the matrix demo or fortnite... That's why almost all games don't use on the s...
Huge upgrade. Good move. Get ready for next Gen gaming and forza will be the top dog in terms of ray tracing.
If you play in big TV, having a series x is the best choice between those two consoles.
Replies(1)You can run games at lower graphic settings on Xbox Series S, but do you want to? For $100 more, you can buy a PS5 digital that has better graphics and more hard drive space. When it comes to game consoles, less is not more. Save your pennies.
PS5 wins by 1 fps in 1 scene xD
*looks at popcorn
I still don't understand why they didn't release this tech demo on PC 🤔
I'd be interested to see how scalable it is and how it'd be on PS4 or XBO.
this demo it will change everything in how developers will tackle in developing their games for the next gen consoles in the following months and beyond, it really proves what next gen consoles can do, and even more impressive what exclusive games will look like is beyond imagination(Im seeing at you PS5 ;) ). I once said before the release of next gen consoles, that the new consoles (specially in the PS5 imo) , will be getting realtime gameplay looking very very similar to sequences found in those action movies like the Avengers or Spider Man, and heck! here we are receiving a day ago this tech demo exactly proving this!, effing AMAZING!!!, lol I still remember some nay sayers, journalist, some gamers , etc, saying that "nah next gen console won't have that huge of jump in visuals anymore".... pretty sure some will be having a great buffet of crows lol.
You know it's good when Digital Foundry are impressed