Luke Hinton writes: "In Forza Horizon 5 races, drifting is the best way to speed past corners and get the edge on your opponents - and this is the best car to do it."
IGN: "The OG Xbox podcaster Danny Peña from Gamertag Radio joins us to discuss one of Xbox's "core four" franchises, Forza, heading to PlayStation 5 in the form of Forza Horizon 5. What does it mean for Xbox? And is any franchise "safe"? Plus: Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 is out and awesome (and successful), we show some love to one of the newest games on Xbox Game Pass that you might not be familiar with, and more!"
I just really hate IGN's style. It's not even the end of the world. While we understand the purpose of exclusivity, it really isn't that important to fuss over. Even if every Xbox game was on PlayStation, it's not gonna prevent people from enjoying Xbox.
The console wars are over. Good riddance. Can't wait to play Forza.
He's the Xbox guy if Xbox goes multi plat he's out of a job they split their staff into teams they have PlayStation, Nintendo and Xbox teams and run it almost like a sports thing it's kind of fross tbh.abyhiw they are all highly misinformed and freely spread incorrect information especially around hardware who can forget Ryan's claim that the Xbox series s was superior to the ps5 because of its CPU solely
@Eonjay
I hear ya. Exclusives really mattered in the console war. More so for the older gen. Newer gamers don't care so much. They just want to be able to play their games where ever they want. MS pushing all games everywhere has actually made N4G more tolerable. They're still some on here that think the metric is console sales but MS has actually been forced to do what gamers should have been asking for from the start. And that's all games playable on the console we want to play on. Now I'll always game on a xbox console while they have one but why would I cry over sony gamers playing gears/halo as well? Gamers have been conditioned into defending a plastic box by marketing. While admittedly it stung at 1st I'm glad gamers will be experiencing great games on great hardware, wherever they choose
***They're still some on here that think the metric is console sales but MS has actually been forced to do what gamers should have been asking for from the start.***
This is the new console war. People dictating how the industry should evolve and ignoring how console hardware is a strength for Sony and Nintendo. Stop trying to push the industry one way, let people do what is best for them. For Xbox, it's doing what they're doing. For Sony and Nintendo, it's different. But trying to set this paradigm of what people want? That's not how it works and console sales tell us that.
@Christopher
"People dictating how the industry should evolve and ignoring how console hardware is a strength for Sony and Nintendo. Stop trying to push the industry one way, let people do what is best for them. For Xbox, it's doing what they're doing. For Sony and Nintendo, it's different."
Maybe If Sony wasn´t releasing their games on other platforms, people won´t be drawing comparisons to MS.
And funny how people are "dictating" when they´re projecting their thoughts regarding Playstation business.
You do it yourself when comes to Microsoft. I remember when you said that MS would become a full third party publisher and in case/*IF* Microsoft decided and release a new Xbox console, it would be slightly more powerful than an Xbox Series X. So basically a PS5 Pro.
So it´s ok to "predict" things for Xbox, but when it comes to Playstation it´s "dictating" just because you don´t like it; even if people within the industry are the ones predicting things.
"Games cost too much to make, the console audience isn’t growing fast enough, and skipping Steam means missing out on a massive chunk of the market. This year, I think we’ll see Xbox go completely multi-platform and PlayStation get closer and closer."
https://tech4gamers.com/xbo...
*** You do it yourself when comes to Microsoft. I remember when you said that MS would become a full third party publisher and in case/*IF* Microsoft decided and release a new Xbox console, it would be slightly more powerful than an Xbox Series X. So basically a PS5 Pro. ***
Find the comment and prove it. I've said that they might become a third-party publisher, but never said they should. I in fact have said on NUMEROUS occasions that Xbox is necessary console competition for Sony and that them leaving the market is bad for the market as Sony will stop competing and do more Sony shenanigans.
@Christopher
"Find the comment and prove it. I've said that they might become a third-party publisher, but never said they should."
Most people are saying that Sony should follow MS just because they were the first to do it. I personally think whenever Sony decides and follow MS more closely (I don´t believe they´ll go all in day and date) it will be only because internal pressure to follow some market trend and not because they want to.
"I in fact have said on NUMEROUS occasions that Xbox is necessary console competition for Sony and that them leaving the market is bad for the market as Sony will stop competing and do more Sony shenanigans."
Fair enough.
^
Yeah, only difference is Sony pulled Concord from sale and offered refunds. MS actually approved Redfall for sale and tried to push that turd on customers.
The first of the big 3 Xbox franchises to jump ship with Gears of War and Halo heading to PlayStation and probably Switch 2 in the near future. Many people saying that this would never happen too. Yet here we are.
Yes, just like "many" people said Death Stranding and MLB The Show would never end up on Xbox. Or that 1st party Playstation titles would never be ported to PC. Other than Nintendo, everyone is heading in the same direction of making their games available on multiple platforms due to rising development costs. Xbox is simply moving in that direction at a faster pace. Glad we can put the stupidity of the console war behind us.
'Yes, just like "many" people said Death Stranding and MLB The Show would never end up on Xbox'.
Kojima acquired the IP rights to Death Stranding from Sony, the MLB license holder mandated a multiplatform release, Sony have been doing staggered PC releases for years. I dunno why you guys keep parroting this like it's the same as Microsoft starting to put their tentpole games on playstation, when it obviously isn't lol.
MS are doing what they are doing as they dropped 80 billion on massive publishers only to see their console sales continue to collapse and gamepass stagnate despite the addition of numerous big titles like Black ops 6 coming to the service day 1.
Death Stranding is not a first-party title, Sony does not own Death Stranding. MLB The Show is developed by Sony but it's licensed by the MLB which has total control, the very reason why years later both titles ended up on XB.
@logicneverwins
Well comeback when grand turismo goes to Xbox till then good luck with therapy🤷🏿
I love seeing you guys desperately cling to those two games. See Crash's comment. It's really sad guys
This Xbox just wants you to play the games is out right misleading. They changed direction because they had too. Like Sega Dreamcast, the reason this is happening is due to poor hardware and software sales.
If Xbox was in the driver seat this wouldn't be happening so please stop acting like it is for any other reason other than poor Xbox sales. IGN was a big stoker of the console war flames because you all chose to partake in it.
The Wii U was a failure for Nintendo and they continued to remain an exclusive game publisher/console maker.
You can say Sony will do this or is doing this with PC but it is for VASTLY different reasons.
Microsoft imposed this on Xbox because the console brand has been in a sales decline for a decade.
You only mention Sony and not Nintendo because you know Nintendo is not going this route any time soon because they don't have too.
If Sony consoles sales tank they will be forced to do the same. Let's not act like Xbox would be doing this if they had the hardware sales Nintendo or Sony have.
"There's no way Sonic would ever come to Nintendo!"
Ha, I feel like this is my childhood all over again.
I think most of the people who said it wouldn't happen have changed their minds when Xbox started putting 1st party on PS5. I think most of them want more of that, but they also want PS5 to put onto Xbox same day and date. I wouldn't harp on the opinions of people before the put Sea of Thieves, Grounded, and others on PS5. They obviously saw a change after that.
“Yes, just like "many" people said Death Stranding and MLB The Show would never end up on Xbox”
I actually never heard anyone say this. Death Stranding was talked about being timed even before its release.
And a certain crowd trying to criticize it for being a walking simulator, before it got announced for xbox, and then the, 'walking simulator', talk suddenly disappeared.
no offense but porting over a 3 year old title isn't exactly anything to write home about. If MCC does indeed come to other platforms that's an 11 year old title.
When a brand new Forza, Gears or Halo game comes to PS5 day and date, then that's something. I will believe it when I see it.
This is just about squeezing some more dollars out of a game that already sold extremely well and isn't going to attract much of a new audience.
They likely wont day and date, but you can believe they will within 6 months. It isnt about squeezing extra dollars out of old games. They have to put old Halo titles because there hasn't been one released for 4 years this year. And the last Gears isn't even this generation. But you can bet your bottom dollar the next ones will be on other consoles within months.
"But you can bet your bottom dollar the next ones will be on other consoles within months."
You bet your bottom what?😆
I mean porting over a game that is over 3 years old kinda sounds like squeezing extra money out of it. Why does Sony bring games to PC a year later? Because they are nice?
You can't be serious. I thought you were much better than that. Not even Obscure or that Alt even thinks this.
Meh whatever. You're the same guy thought Game Science was lying when any ounce of effort into reading beyond what was purposefully fed would have led you to the likely right conclusion. I don't really understand why things need to be spelled out. You're acting like a couple of weeks ago people weren't on here saying this will never happen. Now all of a sudden this some obvious move to squeeze money out of older titles and not a step into bringing all their games over to all platforms.
First it was just games that already had contractual obligations.
Then it was just 4 titles Phil announced.
Then it was just franchises that weren't the traditional MS studio titles.
Now it's sure it's MS studio titles but only ones that are 4+ years old.
You think it stops there or will it inch closer to being day and date? "Sorry to disappoint you", I won't answer and instead will let you come to your own conclusion on that one.
sorry to disappoint you was in regard to you insulting me. When Forza Horizon 6, the next Gears and Halo 6 (or whatever we are calling it nowadays) release day and date for PS5, then we can have that discussion.
Next thing you will say is when they eventually port over the 10+ year old MCC it's not to try to make more money off of it.
Yeah they are trying to make money off of it, but I don't see your point?
Again, literally 2 weeks ago what you are saying now about games releasing day and date on PS5 is what people were saying about 4+ year old Forza, Gears and Halo... " I'll believe it when I see it" so obviously these games being ported over no matter how old is significant.
If you refuse to see the trend, I guess I shouldn't be surprised since you were also the same person that refused to see truth in the Games Science debacle when you lol'd at Game Science when they said they were having optimization issues with Series...
Let me guess you wouldn't find it a big deal if Sony ported over their older titles to Xbox right?
They invested 80 billion and didn't see the results so they pivoted. That's called business. Yes in a perfect scenario gamers would buy into Xbox ecosystem and sign up for GP. But since that didn't happen MS decided we can generate a lot of revenue and become the biggest gaming publisher while still providing great value through GP for Xbox gamers
IMO they should just release gears and halo already. Yes for few weeks some gamers will make fun of them but in the long run the extra revenue will be proof enough. Those asking where is value for Xbox ganers need to realize if you have a Xbox platform or pc GP you get all there games on there day one while on every other platform ganers have to pay full price for these games (unless they want to wait for a sale)
I don’t think GamePass is going to exist for very long. If they’re making good money as a publisher but Gamepass is stagnant they will think about getting rid of it. If gamepass declines it’s guaranteed
We have to realize MS can eat a lot of the cost for a long time. Plus them releasing their games elsewhere makes them a lot of money so they can fund GP. Their end goal is to have GP on all platforms but let's
'We have to realize MS can eat a lot of the cost for a long time.'.
That's not how businesses work. They've just blown, what, 80 billion? And you think the shareholders want them to eat more cost?
'Plus them releasing their games elsewhere makes them a lot of money'
Got any data on that?
'so they can fund GP.'
Why would they need to fund GP if it's profitable?
'Their end goal is to have GP on all platforms'
Actually, the goal they publicized is 100 million GP subscribers. With xbox hardware dead in the water, good luck with that.
@Knushwood Butt exactly right. GP hasn't even hit 30m yet. They were looking for that number years ago. Still not there? No, they will not be wasting money for too much longer on it. Two years ago, they stated they were looking for 50m to be sustainable; it's only a matter of time before they call it quits on GP at this point. What I suspect will happen, the service will turn into what Playstation Plus does, essentially. It'll give you massive discounts on newly released titles, and you'll still have access to older titles that rotate in and out, but they will not release day and date titles on the platform for "free" any longer.
Ok, if they stop Gamepass in two years like you say or change it to be more like playstation plus the negative press will bury them
Personally, in my opinion, I think they want to stop Gamepass. But they know they're in it too deep to stop. And with COD still not being enough to drive growth, I can see them wanting to waive the white flag on gamepass
@Lodo
They were thought to have been in too deep when they got into the phone business too. At some point, shareholders will demand an end to services which aren't making enough of a return (let alone a loss).
Another factor folk don't consider is that it is highly doubtful Sony and Nintendo will ever allow gamepass on their ecosystems. Each has there own competing platform and each make money for every MS published game sold on their respective digital stores.
@LoveSpuds
"Another factor folk don't consider is that it is highly doubtful Sony and Nintendo will ever allow gamepass on their ecosystems"
Everytime I brought that fact up I was called a fanboy
But with the Zune and Windows phones, they got out pretty early before it got out of hand.
Gamepass they've pushed hard for almost 8 years. And they advertised it in a way that makes people feel Gamepass is the only reason to even deal with Xbox at this point. If they stop it or even change it to a model like Playstation's that could very well be the end of Xbox period
Knu
Yes data is they were the #1 publisher in month of December and most of that income came from playstation. And I don't think that's how shareholders work. There is a thing called long term investments and right now for MS gamepass is a long term investment
So it proves 2 of my points. They can keep their bare happy by releasing games on GP day one and they can make a lot of money from other platforms. Right now they haven't released on switch 2 so once that comes out that's another platform for them to make money. Xbox made over 15 billion in revenue so it's not like that they are going broke anytime soon.
Microsoft's fiscal year runs from July 1 to June 30. Therefore, fiscal year 2023 (FY23) covers July 1, 2022, to June 30, 2023, and fiscal year 2024 (FY24) spans July 1, 2023, to June 30, 2024.
Fiscal Year 2023 (FY23):
Gaming Revenue: Microsoft's gaming revenue for FY23 was approximately $18.128 billion, marking a 16.5% increase from the previous year.
Profit: Specific profit figures for the Xbox division in FY23 are not publicly disclosed.
Fiscal Year 2024 (FY24):
Gaming Revenue: In FY24, Microsoft's gaming division achieved a record-breaking revenue of approximately $21.52 billion.
Profit: While exact profit numbers for the Xbox division in FY24 are not publicly available, Microsoft's overall net income for the fiscal year was $88.1 billion, a 22% increase from the prior year.
The significant growth in gaming revenue during FY24 is largely attributed to Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard, which was completed in October 2023.
New drivers will soon arrive at the Horizon Festival from PlayStation 5.
Well, we knew it was going to happen, can’t say it’s surprising
I can’t wait to see you know who’s spin on this one especially when he said this would never happen.
Next is Halo, Gears or Fable
Halo has repeatedly been a rumoured game on here. Forza strangely quiet.
Very happy with Forza announcement because I enjoy racing games.
Forza should be a major wake up call because compare this with Sea of Thieves, Forza is a massive and popular game.
Yep Halo, GoW, Fable are definitely next.
I'd say next is Master Chief Collection and then Starfield.
But I wish it's the time Sunset Overdrive returns home.
@RaidenBlack
" But I wish it's the time Sunset Overdrive returns home "
There's a possibility now with Microsoft's publisher like approach they could let Insomniac re-release it on PS5, either that or a remake. If the sales are decent they might be allowed to make a sequel.
@Raiden... SSOD would make for a great olive branch to bridge relations. Id love to see a 4k 120 mode for it on PS5. I had to play it on the steam deck due to 60fps support. Same with Quantum Break and Ryse. All of those are better suited to 60fps instead of the 30 on XB.
"I can’t wait to see you know who’s spin on this one especially when he said this would never happen."
Obscure_Observer 😂
Yeah, this is great, I'm not too fussed about Forza horizon, I'll probably get it in a sale but can't wait for Halo and Gears to come on playstation, had so much fun when I was younger playing them at my mates house, hopefully it's soon
I would love for it to be Fable. It's really the only game from Microsoft I've ever wanted to play, and so I always do it on PC
What if, and hear me out, they release all their games on PS5 this generation because they clearly lost this one, build a fan base showing how great their games are, and hi back to exclusivity in 2 years in their next Gen?!
Just a thought
@GamerRN
Let's say that's their plan, it won't work. Why? Because coming into next gen most are expecting to not having to buy a Xbox to enjoy their games. Even if Microsoft announces this, it won't be enough to convince most people that they won't cave and drop exclusivity down the line because we've all gone through Microsoft's song and dance before. It would also mean Phil is a liar once again with all this "pro consumer" talk of not gate keeping games.
Just a thought
@Outside
That's one thought... But if they release a wildly popular console with incredible power, great price, AND GamePass while capturing new fans, they have a better chance then trying to just go to the next Gen with keeping exclusivity...
I think it's their best bet and let's then keep getting sales to gauge what games really are good...
I love how the masters of deception at Microsoft are spinning this around to make the world believe that this move was a highly coordinate and long planned one. Microsoft has been irrelevant in the game industry for a while now, few francises aside their trajectory has been always toward the bottom. Now they carve the "EVERYthing is an XBOX" marketing BS and take the SEGA route. I understand that after all the money they have spent they have to get on the positive cashflow, but I feel a sense of betrial toward their long time supporters ... imagine if it was SONY behaving this way !!
Thanks I will. I will gladly give MS my money when they bring games over. The more games they bring over, the more I'm starting to like them hahahahahaha. Playstation FOR THE WIN
@Sonic1881
"Pretending like you're happy about it 😂😂"
Lol. You though I would be on suicide watch or something. Think again! XD
More paying customers is always great news for Game Pass users on Xbox and PC.
Forza Horizon 5 will be nothing but another Xbox banger on Playstation.
Enjoy!
@Obscure
If you aren't pretending now, were you pretending here?
https://n4g.com/news/264132...
A couple of months ago you told PS5 gamers to ‘keep dreaming’ when someone suggested this was going to be announced at the Game Awards. I guess ‘dreams’ still do come true even a couple of months later.
@Obscure
"More paying customers is always great news for Game Pass users on Xbox and PC."
It's wild how many of you brazenly try to switch it up like no one can see what you said on the internet.
Obscure 361 days ago:
"Now suddenly he's apparently (if rumours are true) letting poor Sarah Bond do a talk about their new strategy and Xbox becoming multiplatform basically throwing someone else into the line of fire of what will be angry die hard fans so he doesn't have to take the heat."
He won´t be able to avoid anything! Lol!
He´s the one who promoted Sarah in the first place!
He´ll be forever cursed by the die hard and overall Xbox community! If going full multi platform are his plans and ultimate goal, he better put that Jim Ryan´s hat trick and retire from gaming and disappear just like Don Mattrick did.
https://n4g.com/comments/re...
Obscure 360 days ago:
"I personally think this is an extremely shortsighted decision. Just when Xbox is getting a decent slew of exclusives you're gonna give up? There is really no scenario where this is gonna be good for Xbox consoles. No matter how they spin this."
Indeed.
Doesn´t make sense at all! Specially when Satya Nadella himself is boasting amazing numbers post ABK´s acquisition, telling everyone how Xbox is now Microsoft´s third biggest business!
I can´t believe that Phil made his way all the way to the top, just to turn his back on Xbox gamers.
I don´t know the reasons why he decided and gone silent regarding all those rumors, but he won´t be able to remain silent for long.
https://n4g.com/comments/re...
'Add Forza Horizon 5 tags (this includes PS5)' ~ Me, 5 years ago, wouldn't have believed this report on N4G
Microsoft is like a ravished vampire that's tasted some of that PS5 blood (profits) with Sea of Thieves and now has gone ravenous for those PlayStation dollars!
@ Maximus: “Woo hoo!
Seems Sony turned MS into Sega lol”
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I wouldn’t say Sony but Microsoft laziness and arrogance turned them into Sega minus 1.0as sega was a great and honorable competitor plus had good consoles and excellent games.
Edit:I didn’t disagree with your comment also
Can a admin do a welfare check on obscured I’m worried about what he might do to.
Look at these comments. The copium from some lol
https://n4g.com/news/264132...
with this, I guess it's almost over now for xbox, console-wise. once Halo crosses over, then there shouldn't even be any xbox loyalist anymore like there is no Sega loyalists nowadays.
but it's ironic that after all those fightings in the court, for Sony to end up not only retaining CoD but now also xbox flagship titles on their console, who would have guessed?
Why can't we just say nice to have more great games instead of bringing one company or another down or throwing negativity towards them
Thank you Xbox for making your games available on all platforms
Lol, you ran out of words. Be grateful that MS will get more money just like CoD
"Lol, you ran out of words. Be grateful that MS will get more money just like CoD"
YES!
I still hate that Driveclub was killed off.
No 1st party non-sim racer on PS since.
So, Horizon 5 on PS basically fills that void.
Hope Sony resurrects the Motorstorm IP.
Lol you forgot how business works. Your being payed to have it on your platform. Profits are coming both sides. Only difference is Sony didn't have lift a finger. Easy money.
Horizon and Motorsport are different series of Forza and different genres.
PS would benefit from a new non-sim racer and hence Horizon 5 will fair better. PS players prefer GT more anyway in sim category and the new Motorsport will have hard time competing here (but a sidenote ... Forza do pump out Motorsport more frequent than GT, since they have a bigger team)
And imho, the last Forza Horizon is better than the latest Motorsport, so this decision makes more sense. And dare I say its the best open world racer? Dont think the latest Crew is better though. Leave a reply if you can think of a better newer open world racer than FH5.
@ obscured: “Geez, this game is ancient. 2021…
Put the new one on there”
Your sourness is showing on your alt account names 🤣.
I won’t report this one as spam unless you keep spamming your sour bitter comments
All of Microsoft’s offerings are ancient…
Outside of their little circle, they did not make any new AAA games for over a decade.
the new one is already being massacred by GT7 popularity-wise.
I think it wouldn't look good for MS to bring over the least popular one over to PS5 first. FH5 now has a 24H peak of over 19k while the new one only 841 on Steam. even FH4 has over 12k of 24H peak. what a shamble that one was.
this is why it's coming. Are we expecting FH6 to launch day and date on PS5?
That being said, it's an amazing game and there will be so much content there.
I don't know if Sony would want MS to put Forza Motorsport on their console as it would be a direct competitor to Gran Turismo.
This doesn't look like a Bethesda or Activision title to me, but I could be wrong.
https://n4g.com/news/265098...
Look at that link and read the comments. Some were saying they wouldn't be convinced unless titles like this were going full multiplat. Maybe they are convinced now?
Weird. I’m pretty sure there are already a lot of non-Bethesda, non-Activision games by Xbox studios on PS5 and Switch.
Anyway - this game is ancient. Sony brings games to PC quicker than this
I am convinced.
My only hope is that they keep releasing hardware, this way we get a lot more players across great titles like this.
I think they release one more console and look at the performance from there and determine their future in regards to that. They should have a much more realistic expectation of how it should perform this go around. We do know that they have a handheld in the works as well
I think both MS and Sony only release one more console
PC is taking over, and they both know it
They have another gen in them but the one after the next could be questionable imo. Hey Xbox said they're positioning themselves to be a publisher across the industry. No red lines and all. Xbox only fans need to think bigger than their box bit the health of the industry as a whole. Especially with Ubisoft failing and EA starting to not do well.
Microsoft are effectively killing off their console brand. Don't expect them to put a ton of R&D budget into next-gen hardware.
If they're making another Xbox, you're probably gonna get something that's closer to a pre-built PC with an Xbox logo on it. Using off-the-shelf parts, running a limited version of windows in a fancy custom case.
If they're still naive enough to put their hope into Gamepass growth, they might still want to offer some cheap low-end entry point, but If they tear down their walled garden and allow competing storefronts like steam on there, I would expect potential future Xbox hardware prices to generally rise. Subsidizing an open platform simply doesn't make much sense.
Yeah I remember that, I'm also curious of what they think now. They'll probably make up some other coping talk
So... you never heard of Nintendo I take it. Or are you calling Nintendo Anti-consumer? Also that's silly on its face. It's like calling HBO for not putting its shows on Disney Plus.
Nintendo is one of the most anti consumer companies around, and neither Disney plus nor HBO are hardware
Who is to say a game like Shadow of the Colossus would even exist if it wasn't funded by Sony in order to entice consumers to their platform? Halo was going to be a RTS for Macs before MS stepped in because they needed a game to sell their Xbox. Exclusives also take full advantage of the hardware they are released on, meaning the game can be the best it can be.
Nothing anti consumer about this, nobody stops you from owning multiple platforms.
"and neither Disney plus nor HBO are hardware"
So Tying Software to a service is better though right?
You sound like an entitled consumer. You have no concept of what a USP is or its point.
Actually it's up to the publisher. I have a feeling that Microsoft would rather get the premium sale.
Sony dont have tp pay for it, they get 30% of every game that MS puts on Playstarion, and they have to pay zipp nadda nothing, to MS...
Support for Forza Horizon 5 seems to be slowing down, as players can vote for previous festival playlists to return going forward.
