God of War Ragnarok writer champions Angrboda as part of "our own spin" on Norse mythology

God of War is "our interpretation of mythology, not history"

[Dixiedevil]

Angrboda is the Jotunn mother of monsters. What’s Santa Monica Studios trying to say about black people?

[akurtz]

Nothing at all

[IMissJimRyan]

As is wrote down here, let's not be disingenuous and hypocritical here. Nobody cares that the Gof of War itself reinvented Greek mythology and all the representations to satisfy the game. Nobody cares about Marvel's Thor being in New York alongside Spiderman and the Hulk. Nobody connects the interpretation of Judaism and Christianity made in anime like Evangelion.

The point that is clear here is the racism of a very vocalic portion of the so-called gamers. Many are making arguments about "reverse racism" or "if you went with them, they would complain." All lie. What bothers is the fact that the character has black skin. That's it. Taking these ignorant folk fantasies from millennia ago and changing everything happens every day in all entertainment media. But the annoyance only happens when they put black people or women.

[bangoskank]

Dude, @locamorales , with all due respect please don't pull the racist card here. If that was the case why would I be super hyped for Forespoken, why would I be obsessed with Deathloop, and why did I love Miles Morales so much? Why am I against the way asian and indian characters were whitewashed during the infancy of cinema? Probably because I'm not racist. It's more like studios have become so lazy that they think race/gender equals bold and innovative when it's just a reflection of how racist they really are. If they were that interested in black culture why wouldn't they just make a brand new original coming of age series instead of rehashing an old show from the 90's with a black cast and slapping the title "Wonder Years" on it? How creative! Why not make a white version of "Good Times" that depicts struggling caucasian families living in less than desirable neighborhoods? That would actually be more compelling. If Hollywood or most game devs had any shred of creativity anymore they'd imagine worlds and lore steeped in black cultures, like Black Panther did. Tthat would actually be more respectful of black people that lazily throwing black people in Norse mythology or recreating an originally white-casted show with black people. It actually seems more insulting if you think about it, like throwing black people a bone instead of bothering to create something really cool like "Lovecraft Country".End rant.

[Eamon]

Bangoskank has hit the nail on the head perfectly.

We live in times were identity issues are extremely charged up leading to a society of continuous paranoia. Paranoia that one is not being inclusive enough. And Paranoia of those who are paranoid they're not being inclusive enough.

It's ruining culture from all sides. West was already heading this direction but went turbo mode when Trump got in power.

There's no genuine point of contention to Angrboda's character design. But one can't help but have a thought in the back of their mind of why such a character design was chosen. After all, like someone else mentioned, there haven't been any black characters in the God of War series - and specifically GoW 2018 which Ragnarok is a direct sequel to. This also includes the fact that it feels a bit off since the mythology is Norse. The Nordic regions in Europe are obviously natively white/blond/blue-eyed etc. One would think that Norse people that came up with the mythology would make Gods in their image. So obviously, you cannot but help have thoughts about authenticity. Regardless, there's nothing "wrong" about making Angrboda a black woman. It's merely a strange choice.

Some made a point about Kratos being a Greek character in a Nore mythos game as a way to counter the reaction. Well, the point of the story is Kratos is an outsider in a foreign land. He is constantly referred in such a way and some characters even express weariness to Kratos due to this fact.

Also, a note to remember - Kratos has always been voiced by a black man. This was a creative decision made long before the current identiy-charged times we lived in. Kratos's greyish ashen skin isn't his real skin colour. His original skin is a Mediterranean tan, since he is, well, Greek. But Santa Monica took an explicit decision to cast a black dude as the voice actor. At the time, not a single person had any issues or made a fuss. In fact, his voice actor was friggin awesome. Made Kratos such a blast to play as. The same for the second VA for 2018's Kratos. Could not think of a better recasting. Because Kratos has a long history and is a beloved character, nobody is complaining about the fact that a white character is being voiced by a black man. This includes the fact that nearly all characters have American accents despite all being Greek. Very few have non-American accents like Zeus and Gaia. Baldur and Thor also have American accents. All these are definitely creative decisions. To conclude, the reaction to Angrboda is distinct because of how unexpected it was in the established trend of creative choices. She is also a frost giant, so perhaps this was a lost opportunity to make her blue skinned? Then again, maybe she really is blue but what we saw in the trailer is more an "avatar" illusion? Well, we'll see.

[AKS]

@locomorales If it was a story based on an African mythology and one or more of the characters were made Caucasian, most of the social justice wingnuts would be losing their minds. Hardly anyone has a problem with whatever race is in a game as one might notice with the sales of some of Rockstar's games. However, it's a bit unusual to have a multicultural cast in Norse mythology just as it would be a bit peculiar to have Caucasian characters in African mythology. And you're probably not going to see many Latin or black samurai or ninjas in games based on feudal Japanese lore.

[ShadowWolf712]

@bangoskank Dude, come off it. This isn't "lazily" doing anything of the sort. Angrboda, again, is not even human. Not. Even. Human. The Eddas themselves have no description of her, nothing in there saying "this giantess is a white woman". Nil.

Now, if you really wanna make a play on authenticity: were you upset when they made Brok blue and speak with a southwestern accent? When Sindri was made a germaphobe? When Tyr was stated to have visited many, many other cultures, and even got symbols from their languages tattooed on himself? When Baldur was made decidedly violent and unable to feel ANYTHING to the point it was driving him mad? All of those were part of this spin on this mythos too, and no one had an issue. But this one, this one they do. There's a reason THIS change is the one sparking something so visceral in people, and I think some self-reflection is in order.

[barom]

Honestly, Norse mythology lacks a lot description in general. Why people get upset, I really don't get. Here's an example you should be upset about if you really worried about "accuracy", TATTOOS DID NOT EXIST ANYWHERE IN NORSE MYTHOLOGY, yet you have so so many people not saying one word because in your mind it's okay for a Norse God and Goddess to have tattoos all over their body but oh no, a black character, yeah somehow that's messed up. Do you really think everything they do in the video game is an accurate portrayal? Heck even the whole Loki storyline does not match up with Norse Mythology.

Face it, if you have a problem with a black character in Norse mythology, YOU ARE RACIST. Did you forget that Vikings were some of the greatest travelers in the world, there's good evidence that suggest they discovered America. Is it then crazy to think they might've gone somewhere in Europe that has black people? Let's also not forget we're talking about Gods too. Better yet, have you heard of Ahmad ibn Fadlan? An Arab traveler who encountered Vikings. How about Kratos himself, you seem to have no problem believing he can travel to the North on his own. Perhaps this black character/God/Giant could've done the same? Is it really that impossible of a situation? No, only if you're a racist and trying to find a reason for this character not to exist.

[S2Killinit]

Lol 😆 love the comment in this section

[SyntheticForm]

@locomorales

"let's not be disingenuous and hypocritical here"

"What bothers is the fact that the character has black skin. That's it."

Except that *isn't* it, and you're purposefully misrepresenting and misinterpreting people while also omitting context in order that you may label them racist. That's just slimy and dirty. People like you are not going to simply be allowed to call others "racist" without evidence.

As bangoskank said, it's the laziness and seemingly one-way nature of these "inclusions" that people take issue with. There's also a matter of authenticity which people desire to certain, fitting degrees. Africans and their counterparts are incompatible with Norse mythology and Scandinavian culture, and it's not "racist" to not want them there.

Again, this also goes one way. Say I have photos from various teams; a Swedish team (all white), a Nigerian team (all black) and a Japanese team (all Asian.) You'd think this would be fine - especially given the regions - but they're not. Somehow, the Swedish (white) team isn't *diverse* enough, and could be racist in its all-white state and demands the inclusion of other races. Why? I'll tell you why - racism - pure and simple. There could be a number of reasons but I think the most common reason is born out of vengeance. White Europeans had their time at the top, and now it's another race's turn to take pole position, and if it doesn't fit the context we'll force it and call anyone that disagrees racist. To that I say no.

Finally, while we're still on this topic, I'll also address why the cheap, bite-sized pandering and shoehorning isn't benefitting anyone - least of all people of color.

We all know that it's far easier and far less expensive to simply race swap a character. New material doesn't have to be written and it costs less. It's lazy. Corporations can race swap an established character (usually white) while claiming to be "progressive" and showing people of color that they care about them. That isn't caring - it's just being lazy - and racist - and cheap - and destructive. There's no good reason why companies cannot come up with original scripts of African stories. They could have big budgets and be made mainstream and people (myself included) would love them. They're not interested in doing that. They're interested in subversion, scoring cheap points with communities of color, and being anti-white.

This concludes my response and rant.

[fr0sty]

Those of you whining about "what would it be like if there were whites in African mythology" are missing the point entirely... The fact is, people of color have been under and misrepresented in entertainment for centuries. So, depicting someone who should have historically been black as white only furthers that. Depicting someone previously depicted as white as a person of color, does the opposite. It gives a chance for someone who historically has not been given chances to appear in entertainment to be featured in a piece of popular entertainment. Yet, strangely, the "anti SJW" crowd only seems to get mad when one of these scenarios happens... I wonder why... why when a game about a Greek god having a norse God for a son (which already crosses ethnic boundaries as well, Greek people aren't exactly "white", many have olive skin, dark hair and brown eyes much like others from areas of the Mediterranean and middle east) does swapping out the ethnicity for another god with a black person suddenly become a bad thing? The irony seems to be lost here among many...

I'll see the point of those saying it was done lazily, but what of Kratos and Loki? That is just as lazy, shoehorning a Greek into white Norse mythology, yet no complaints.

[Mr_Writer85]

@bangoskank

That's under the assumption that the character was designed to be black and black only? Or that be her defining trait? Bit racist isn't it? That a character should be defined by their skin colour.

What if the actress was cast due to oh I don't know talent? Should a black women be told "nope sorry, you're perfect for the role, but you're black so we can't mess with the mythology".

Take Kratos as an example, a black man playing a white man, because he fit the role.

So let's not pretend that Santa Monica are bowing down to being "woke".

IGN even had a Norse expect analyse the game and even he said there is loads that isn't right, so this isn't some "like for like" exact match to the mythology.

[Mr_Writer85]

@Emon

"So obviously, you cannot but help have thoughts about authenticity"

You're playing a game based on fairy tales, even in the first game they weren't authentic.

https://youtu.be/Qs7JHbVkB-...

And do you not think black people traveled out to Europe?

https://scandinaviafacts.co...

[lodossrage]

I'm black and I wasn't even remotely thinking anything racially offensive

Not everything is about race

[SullysCigar]

It is for those looking for reasons to be offended. Sadly, not everyone is levelheaded.

Writing for games or movies is a minefield these past few years. Some people seem intent on fabricating sinister hidden meanings and then shouting them out in the hope they can cancel someone. Anyone.

[dbcoops]

I think that was Dixiedevil's attempt at reductio ad absurdum, but I could be wrong.

[Noskypeno]

@Sullyscigar, I try not listening to what the msm and it's followers tries to tell me about what is or isn't offensive. They somehow think "good people on both sides" is an offensive message.

[SeTTriP]

Because your on a website dominated by white males and you want to fit in.

Locomorales made very valid points.stop brown 👃. Your part of the problem.

[Keltech]

Honestly she looks more like a Alaskan native (Eskimo) to me.

To some people is about race. It's because some people listen to the Ben shapiro's and tucker carlson's telling them Hollywood is trying to cancel their Caucasian culture. So one small change in a Norwegian mythology drives them crazy.

[NoFanBoy]

It is to some sad people.

[SeTTriP]

And look at how many agrees you got just for being a kiss ass.

This must've made your year?keep feeding the troll, you fit right in that box.

[Inverno]

Leave that kind of thinking back on Twitter, son

[CobraKai]

Let it go man. Kratos is voiced by a black man twice. What’s that say? Absolutely nothing. Same thing with Angrboda.

Back to the article, I dunno why people are making a big deal of the little things. Norse Mythology is the backdrop, not a historical retelling. If it was, Kratos wouldn’t even be the lead character.

[Shane Kim]

What? You didn't know Kratos was in Norse Mythology?

[IMissJimRyan]

Yeah, but Kratos is a white man. So he doesn't bother the so-called gamers.

[Eonjay]

I mean that like saying she should have been white because that would be less offensive if we follow your logic.

Say less.

[AspiringProGenji]

Don’t give twitter ideas

[bangoskank]

Right? I wasn't aware of any Nordic black people living in this timeline. Guess they were monsters... We get it, black people shouldn't be left out, but they also shouldn't be shoehorned into plots where there presence makes absolutely no sense. Disney is doing the same thing too. How about celebrating African heritage by making more movies about that culture's mythology and folklore. Would be more interesting and more respectful imho.

[TricksterArrow]

It's a game. About gods and monsters. No realism needed. Not everything needs something to say or celebrate anything. Black people don't need to be protagonists or exist at all in media only when the game revolves around race. A game can be just a game.

[Flewid638]

I would agree if it made any difference. Adding diversity to a FICTIONAL setting doesnt sound like shoehorning. It sounds like fiction. lol.

The entirety of Norse mythology is exactly that.... mythology. I.e. - fake. It's pretty telling when Gods & Monsters dont make you bat an eye, but god forbid someone with a tan shows up & suddenly that totally breaks the immersion lmao.

[porkChop]

Why does it fucking matter? If someone is telling a purely fictional story why are they not allowed to have a black character? The entire story is fake, loosely based on myths that are also not real. No one bats an eye, but suddenly because there's a black woman it's too unbelievable? She could be fucking tie-dye for all I care.

No one seems to care that Kratos doesn't exist in Greek or Norse mythology. There was someone named Cratos, but they have nothing in common with Kratos. They made Kratos up. And according to the lore Kratos was originally dark skinned. Black. Both versions voiced by black actors. Apparently that's fine, but God forbid they add a black woman.

You can play a game about some dude hopping through different mythologies killing all the make-believe gods, but the second you see a black character you're pulled out of the experience? That's where you draw the line on authenticity?

Have you ever thought maybe black characters aren't the problem? Maybe the problem is people like you.

[Yppupdam]

Well, to be honest here, If we go by SJW logic this "would" be considered "cultural appropriation" But, normal people know that cultural appropriation is something only extremely stupid people believe is a thing. Frankly, at the end of the day, who cares. As for the likeness/voice actor screaming "black people exist!!!" on her twitter feed is so laughably cringe. This feels more like scripted drama than anything else.

[SyntheticForm]

@Flewid

Why not add helicopters then? I mean, it's a fictional setting after all. Why not diversify it with helicopters?

Sure, it's fiction, but within that fiction exists a degree of structure - Norse, European, and Scandinavian structure to be precise. Disagreeing with the type of incompatibility we're seeing doesn't make us racist.

Your boneheaded insistence that fiction is fake therefore nothing matters is patently absurd.

[Magog]

He went there.

[PrinceAli]

looooooooooooooooooooooooool!! !! This is probably my favourite take in all of this haahaha

[Flewid638]

As a black person, I can assure you absolutely nothing.

[ShadowWolf712]

Y'all know Angrboda isn't even human, right?

Y'all also know that she's clearly a kid here and Jormungander, a supposed child of her and Loki, already lives?

Just... maybe stop trying to produce a "gotcha" moment.

[Redrex7000]

what in the world how did people end up talking about racism

[343_Guilty_Spark]

I'm curious if they'll ever use one as a main character. No one has done African mythology and I'm not talking Egyptian. African gods and goddesses might be even messier than Nordic and Hellenic Gods.

[TheHan]

Sad that they must cater to politics within their game, yet fans wanted to make comparisons that GoW kept to the tales of mythology which isn’t the case.

[IMissJimRyan]

Northern European drunken inventions from a millennium ago have no rules whatsoever. The studio coming up with something else doesn't offend anything that has any foothold in reality.

[frostypants]

While I agree, I don't think general sentiment would be the same if a game was based on African mythology (which would actually be cool) and some known character from that lore was presented as a white ginger dude. "Just our interpretation" wouldn't fly for a second.

[Teflon02]

Frosty, nah. If it was mythology that doesn't specify but is assumed, it would be fine. The idea of just making a different character isn't much of a big deal. It's no different than say Fate, making King Aurthurs heroic spirit Artoria as representation of King Arthur. Thing is, there's no implication that black people didn't exist there. No one said it they were racist and didn't have any black people. It's all assumed based on what people think stereotypically. It's like again Japan, half the country's roots are different than the other half and alot have African roots. Now if you were to mention a person who was never specified as something like a samurai from how many years ago. There's nothing saying that at that time they weren't race based at all and actually freely had them in the country and had alot of them in those positions before they changed over time to all gain east Asian features?

There's alot more to it when it's something like that as opposed to something that's specific

[TricksterArrow]

@frostypants There are actually many white deities in African mythologies and religions. Also, Jesus was most definitely not white. What's the point?

[IMissJimRyan]

Let's not be disingenuous and hypocritical here. Nobody cares that the Gof of War itself reinvented Greek mythology and all the representations to satisfy the game. Nobody cares about Marvel's Thor being in New York alongside Spiderman and the Hulk. Nobody connects the interpretation of Judaism and Christianity made in anime like Evangelion.

The point that is clear here is the racism of a very vocalic portion of the so-called gamers. Many are making arguments about "reverse racism" or "if you went with them, they would complain." All lie. What bothers is the fact that the character has black skin. That's it. Taking these ignorant folk fantasies from millennia ago and changing everything happens every day in all entertainment media. But the annoyance only happens when they put black people or women.

[Elwenil]

What many of you call "Norse Mythology" is still an active religion for many around the world and existed long before the romans came to power. As a proud Heathen, I should be offended by this game and all it's twisting of the image of the Gods I choose to honor, instead I will just not buy or play it. I don't care that it exists or that people are portrayed in whatever fashion they choose. I don't have to play it. I don't have to go looking for things to be offended about.

I do think the "Northern European drunken inventions" is more than a little offensive, but you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how misguided and fucking stupid it is.

[IMissJimRyan]

Of course, after all now we have the downtrodden believers in Thor, who have their religion distorted by a black girl in a video game about a son of Zeus who is living there. A tear even ran from my eye, as emotional as your sincerity.

[Eamon]

@Teflon02

Fate is an interesting example because you get all shapes, colours and sizes of mythical heroes. King Arthur being a woman was an intentional surprise within the story. That's the big difference. The Fate stories specifically tell you that numerous legends have become altered (both intentionally and unintentionally) over history. In the case of King Arthur, it was intentional as it is part of Fate's established lore that the common people of Britain thought Artoria was a man. With others - like say Iskander - his chronicled small stature was apparently an invention of his enemies to discredit him when he was in fact a huge towering figure.

Also, because this is anime - i.e. attempting to do the polar opposite of photo-realistic design - you get all the hair colours of the rainbow for characters and every other anime-noteworthy features. God of War 2018 actually goes a lot in the photorealism direction with some creative license sprinkled over.

Also, issue of racial identity in Japan is contextually completely different to the West. Japan hasn't experienced anywhere near the mount of immigration that the West has. Stereotypes/perspectives just aren't much of a talking point over there. And I can tell you, that they definitely have a lot of what we'd call "negative" stereotypes normalized over there.

[Sayai jin]

Frostypants, except they done that with real world events and people. They have whitewashed actual historical pictures. So your anology about replacing a african character with a ginger dude is moot. See above. All the paintings, murals, stained glass windows, and kther displays illustrate jesus as a white dude, and many have him with blond hair with blue eyes. Cleoparra being portrayed by a pale white women. The term white washing was brought about in the 1500s when europeans even painted Greek, Macedonian, etc white.

So people are upset about a video game about mythology. Teo times removed from reality. Oh well.

[SimpleSlave]

The only thing sad here is you and your moaning and bitching about this. Get over it and stop getting hysterical. This is fantasy shit. Who gives a fuck? Oh, right, you do. I wonder why? By the way, this is a rhetorical question. We know why.

[wwinterj]

So you just forget Brok in God of War 2018 is blue right?

[PS-Gamer-1986]

"His brother Sindri claims that his skin was blued due to his blacksmithing silver metals with his bare hands, which resulted in him developing Argyria"

[wwinterj]

@PS-Gamer-1986 Yes. He isn't blue in Norse mythology though at all. Seems to me you're just proving the devs for God of War 2018 had their own vision for a character as they do here so I really don't understand your issue.

[PS-Gamer-1986]

No YOU are missing the point. It makes sense that he is blue. They gave a compelling while short explanation why he looks the way he does.
Now it comes down to if or how they explain why a character of an ancient european mythology should look like she does. If they do- fine. If they don't and just placed her there for the sake of it then it sucks.

It's all about if good storytelling is involved instead of "look at us, we are sooooo diverse!"

[wwinterj]

So you agree it's fine for the devs to have their own interpretations of characters? Good. Glad we are on the same page.

[PS-Gamer-1986]

Yep basically and it is perfectly fine for everyone to dislike it or not

[Flewid638]

If a black person exists, it's politics?

LMAOOOOOO.

[Pancit_Canton]

Well you got that new woke writer Allanah Pearce joining Santa Monica studio. This is going to be the last of us part 2 all over again. This character look way out of place

[lodossrage]

ok seriously,

what does woke mean exactly?

Every time someone fights for equal rights, worker rights, racial rights, women rights, etc, they get called "woke"

So serious question, I'm asking what's the general meaning of the word? And no, I'm not asking that be be funny.

[Eonjay]

It's real original meaning simply means aware.. And as with most ideas that start off simple political has manipulated 'opinions' to mean ultra progressive.

As if the inclusion of brown skin is progressive. Basically people have been programmed to be automatically triggered by certain words or images no matter how mundane they are.

[lodossrage]

@Eonjay

Thanks for actually giving a meaning. Because up until now, everyone here would just use the word "woke" when things didn't go the way they feel they should.

[TheDoomedGuy]

It means you're out of touch with reality and function primarily around your delusions of injustice. You forgo historical, scientific and biological facts in favor of feelings and don't really care how violence actually hurts people because you justify your own actions around these delusions.

[Killer2020UK]

Can't believe the people downvoting your sincere question. Why?

[lodossrage]

@Killer2020UK

Unfortunately, that's how this site works. Tribal to the core. Even when asking a legit question.

[dbcoops]

What "right" is being fought for by putting a black character into a game base on Norse mythology?

[lodossrage]

@dbcoops

Nobody said this had anything to do with anyone(s") "rights"

I was pointing out that "woke" seems to be the general word people use every time something doesn't seem to go their way albeit politically, culturally, etc

But as for the "putting a certain race into something. Big deal. Let's not act like that only just started recently.

For example, how many movies from the 50's and 60's show ancient Egypt with a bunch with nothing but white actors. Without a single black, middle eastern, or Arab person at all in it?

If you want a more recent example, try the first Doctor Strange marvel movie. Every Tibetian was white. And even the ancient one, who was originally on old asian man was played buy a white woman.

In the end, this is meant to entertain. If this stuff was meant to EDUCATE, then I'd be more bent out of shape about races or genders being miscast or put places they shouldn't be

[Vx_]

I want a Mulan film with a white-blond strong trans dude.

[babadivad]

It's lost all meaning.

[MadLad]

Everything has to cater to straight white males or else it's "woke pandering".

And don't get me wrong, there's a lot of pandering that goes on in today's media; but pick your battles.

Both sides are getting cringy at this point, starting a fight over the smallest of things.

[wwinterj]

How does she look out of place in a fantasy game? Also did you have a issue with Brok being blue?

[PS-Gamer-1986]

Are you aware that brock isn't blue because of his race ?

"His brother Sindri claims that his skin was blued due to his blacksmithing silver metals with his bare hands, which resulted in him developing Argyria"

You probably didn't play the first one i guess

It is a "condition" and his brother is white so he very likely is also

[wwinterj]

@PS-Gamer-1986 He isn't blue in Norse mythology period. The point is the devs made their own vision of the character as they have done here. Seems to me you're blinded too much by race to understand simple logic.

[PS-Gamer-1986]

But him being blue wasn't some move to "champion their own spin" aka trying to show everyone how progressive they are lol. And that is my whole point.

[Sunny_D]

@ps gamer

Are you aware that Angrdoba isn’t actually a human? She’s a Giant which last I checked is made up race that doesn’t exist….

[DeathTouch]

@PS-Gamer-1986 It doesn't matter. Him being blue is a spin on the character that does not partake in reality. He was never portrayed as such. Why they can spin him to be blue but not Angrdoba to be black? Do you agree or do not agree that the developer can make their own design choices about these characters? You seem confused on your own opinion about it, and the only thing that seems to annoy you is that Angrdoba is black.

[Flewid638]

She looks totally fitting to me.

[ShadowWolf712]

Yes, Allanah has clearly taken over the entire game and is changing things as she sees fit.

Good grief, she's a staff writer. This is the Narrative Director's opinion, and he was the Story Lead on the last game as well.

[TheLigX]

Piss off, you loser.

[Inverno]

I sure hope they got something uniquely written for her, I really do.

[The Wood]

People will still pick the bones out of it. Some people care about lore too much depite its inconsistencies and others are just bigoted. The non leftists are just as moist as the leftists. Like they give a flying f about the myth ology. Its fantasy now mixing Norse with Greek. Let the story be told like marvel vs capcom...chill the ef out

[Flewid638]

lmao not MvC.

[The Wood]

I mean a clash of two worlds.....lol

[Cuzizkool]

I like to consider myself “woke” and “liberal”. But “putting your own spin” on Norse mythology… wouldn’t that be a form of cultural appropriation?

[Imalwaysright]

That's what would be called if they portrayed a god from the Yoruba religion as being white and I say this despite not giving a damn about the term "cultural appropiation" or that this character is portrayed as being black. It's the hypocrisy that gets on my nerves.

[YungDragon]

The problem with calling it hypocrisy is that the defacto representation in all media is Caucasian, so when you replace a Caucasian character with any other ethnicity, Caucasians lose absolutely nothing in representation. It is not the same when you replace a character of another culture with a Caucasian character because that representation has now been lost, and just compounded the defacto. This is why so many other ethnicities make such a big deal when a character looks like them....it's rare to see.

[Imalwaysright]

YungDragon

I'm not talking about representation, I'm talking about the dumbass term "cultural appropriation" so the word "hypocrisy" perfectly fits the point that I'm making and btw ethnicity is based on cultural aspects. Scandinavian mythology is very much part of Scandinavian ethnicity so are the people that like to cry about "cultural appropriation" ok with this or not?

[Eamon]

@YungDragon

Defacto Caucasian representation in all media is because the media you speak of is the media of Caucasian-majority countries. So it's a logical conclusion.

I agree with you that having Caucasians play non-Caucasian characters shouldn't happen. There was a time where Asian characters in cinema were played by white people and had make-up artists "widen" their eyes.

And not too long ago you had Jake Gyllenhaal play the prince in Prince of Persia film. I'm sure there were more than plenty of English-speaking Middle Eastern or Persian actors out there that could filled the role, but it was instead given to a white American of half-swedish / half-russian descent.

I never have an issue when there is a diverse cast in a modern story. My issue is forced diversity in historical period stories. And the issue isn't that I have raging hatred of like seeing a black woman play Anne Boleyn. The issue I have is my overwhelming feeling of inauthenticity. It breaks you out of the realm of suspended disbelief. You get that feeling in many other situations too - for example watching a really bad actor's performance. Sometimes a line misses so badly that you remember you're on a couch facing a television. Ironically, even if the historicity of a historical character's casting is off to the point you stop suspending disbelief, their performance could be so good that it pulls you back in. A good example is the Green Knight where a south Asian is playing Sir Gawain. There's an Indian dude in an adaptation of an Arthurian legend - but his performance is soooo good, he makes you forget that.

Anyway, the point I'm making is that it's not that more representation is bad. It's just that in the pursuit of more representation we're getting quite a lot of incorrect representation.

[ShadowWolf712]

Good thing she's not a god and has absolutely no descriptors given in the Eddas, eh?

[SimpleSlave]

No and fuck mythology. Nobody owes it anything.

[Promachos]

And yet you play a game based on Norse mythology you Hypocrite. In many parts of the world Norse "religion" is very much alive and still practiced. Some respect for them maybe?

[SimpleSlave]

@Promachos Are you mentally ill? I play games because I like games. The fuck does that have to do with mythology you wierdo? I even play shitty games about bible crap. It's a game.

Also, fuck mythology, again, and fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck religion. All of them.

I respect your right to practice and believe if that's your thing but your religion does no get respect just because. Fuck christianity, juadism, islam, norse "religon" or whatever that it and fuck buddhism. Fuck all of them.

We have suffer enough because of some fictitious god that nobody have been able to prove...ever.

[TheLigX]

@promachos The norse religion is regularly held to by nazis. I don't care one bit about their moronic feelings.

[Teflon02]

Mythology is the key word. Also you do know this whole time they've been putting a spin on everything they've done God of War related. Marvels Thor is a spin on the original. Etc. People are only bothered that the spin is making them black which is the issue. If you people actually cried about accuracy you'd know how much is actually changed in these games and the fact Kratos is doing everything he does in the games is a damn spin lmao. Now that's ironic huh

[SimpleSlave]

Exactly. They love all the Marvel spins, and game spins and any other shitty spin on mythology. But oh shit if they put a person of color. THEN they have a problem.

They are a bunch of fucking racist hypocrites.

[TricksterArrow]

No.

[Redemption-64]

Quick question, are you new to this world? Honest question. This is literally stories, myths and throughout history different artists have put their spin on different mythologies. Marvel, DC, 1000s of writers, shows, movies have all put their spin on them. From their looks to changing their whole back stories.

People only have an issue with the color of her skin nothing more. Hell Loki in this GOW had his whole back story changed completely, he is not been fully Norse anymore. Care to guess why people complaining didn't have an issue with that spin? AC Valhalla also has Angrboda with blue skin. Everyone is ok with devs, writers or artist put their own spin on things, some just don't like seeing blacks in that spin.

[VincentVanBro]

The exception to the rule is if you have white skin.

[Tankbusta40]

The next God of War takes place in Wakanda...confirmed!

[SimpleSlave]

And it'll be ok if there is a white character in there...confirmed!

[Teflon02]

I mean Chinese is the second biggest population in Jamaica, not weird really to see other races mixed in. It's for some reason people think races can't mix without a agenda.

Like I know with character design for me. I don't make characters a race with a agenda. If I make a black character, it's to change my design. If I make a white character, it's to change my designs etc. I'd I make 40 white man, it'll get boring and redundant. I'll want to explore and do more unique things. A random spin on something is fun for developing characters. I've legit made a character, change their race and kept everything else the same just because I wanted to do something different.

[Promachos]

Ahahahaha yeah right. You will NEVER experience that. We wouldn't want to upset all you liberal cultural murderers

[SimpleSlave]

@Promachos

The only people getting triggered are all you racist scum getting all hysterical because people of color are wanting to be treated as humans. Of course it piss you off you racist waste.

[dsammy04]

Kind of crazy this is even a thing. I mean seriously if they wanted to keep it all white you wouldn't even have the iconic voices from either of the Kratos actors. Just let it be, keep it moving other more important things to care about.

[bangoskank]

Chris Judge's low, rumbling voice is perfect for the character but if they used his face it would look ridiculous because Greek people are not black. Studios are trying to force racial diversity to the point self parody. It makes them look more racist than if they just had an all white cast of characters. Another example is "The Little Mermaid": black mermaids in old Denmark? Sure! I'm still going to play and most likely love the game, probably even the characte but this all just seems so absurd.

[artgamer]

Black mermaids? In Old Denmark??

That's wild... -_-

[ShadowWolf712]

OH MY GOD THEY"RE COMING FOR YOUR MADE-UP CANNIBALISTIC FISH PEOPLE NOW?

[dsammy04]

Considering the Greek came to Africa numerous times to learn science and math it probably isn't that farfetched that Africans relocated to Greek so Kratos could very well be black with how often that FAKE god Zeus loved to get around. It's almost amazing how white wash history is since most knowledge of science and math is attributed to Greek and Romans even in actuality it's one of the many stolen jewels from Africa. In this case knowledge.

https://chs.harvard.edu/cha...

[TheDoomedGuy]

It's their interpretation right now of course but they benefit from the actual mythology.

[SullysCigar]

Just make the game good. I don't care about all this other stuff.

[Fonsecap]

I'm offended because... Things...

[Teflon02]

If I had this site on dark mode they'd apparently have an agenda lol

[TricksterArrow]

It'd be "woke".

[SimpleSlave]

Ah, yes. Here come the morons bitching and moaning about a person of color in a game about a killing gods and a host of other fantasy shit.

Seriously, these people couldn't be more retarded and racist if they actually tried.

[Chaos-Dad]

How is it racist or retarded to criticize Color-Washing, Race-Swapping and Cultural Appropriation?
Sony Santa Monica should respect other Cultures / Mythologies and if they want more Diversity they should create new / own Characters...

[SimpleSlave]

Here in the AMERICAS Color-Washing, Race-Swapping and Cultural Appropriation have context and its in direct relation with racism, discrimination, slavery, genocide, etc. These are not terms to be thrown around loosely because you just learned them from them liberal mob and now you want to use them as a gotcha argument. And guess who was the biggest culprit of these atrocities here? Take a wild guess...I'll give you time to think this through.

In other places, like Europe, Irish people can certainly use it against England if English people appropriate their culture. If there was no history of slavery, discrimination, racism, etc. a lot of people would not mind that much what you use or how you use it. But there is a history that people like you love to ignore, as always.

So yes, it is racist and retarded. Think harder next time as to why a thing like this is how it is. And FOX News like outlet ain't it pal.

[TricksterArrow]

Why don't you go to a christian church and bitch about how Jesus was not a silk blonde haired dude with fair skin and blue eyes?

[ShadowWolf712]

You know NOTHING about the culture of the Vikings and it shows.

[ShadowWolf712]

@TricksterArrow

A lot of churches have been coming out against that for a long time now, actually. The pushback has been... odd. Never thought people actually believed He was til I encountered some very offended people.

[VincentVanBro]

"You must respect other cultures and their history."
"But these are white people."
"OH nvm mix that shit up its so boring."

[Teflon02]

SSM never respected the Mythology lmao. They got Kratos snapping gods heads lmao, but this is the issue right. IGN even had a video recently where a guy who studies the stuff points out inaccuracies and changes they made for the sake of making changes lol

[ShadowWolf712]

He was incorrect on a couple of things though, but that's mostly IGN's fault for not providing explanations or context that came later in the game for those scenes.

[chronoforce]

You make it sound like act of mixing it up is intrinsically disrespectful, like there is some kind of mutual exclusion between mixing it up and being respectful. Norse religion has been commodified and bastardised in every single way but it's OK as long it doesn't cross some arbitrary line.

The people complaining will play games with history and cultures so bastardised from reality that they think it's true. They are not defending any actual history or culture but rather it's simulacra.

[Eamon]

The issue isn't about "okay" or "not okay" in a moralistic sense. It's about authenticity. The moral side of things is due to the current obsession of diversity for diversity's sake.

It's sad how the state of things have become. There was a real genuine cry for more diversity in the workplace many years ago due to societal disadvantages. But this has mutated to become far worse than anyone can imagine. This is mostly due to corporations to be honest. Large companies always care about image/brand more than anything and an issue founded on disadvantage has turned purely into identity. Powerful women and wealthy ethnic minorities can go on TV and cry sexism/racism despite being privileged themselves. And when this is pointed out, you are then accused of an "ism".

Personally, I always like to analyse things based on power. Which is why class has always been the most important factor in determining disadvantage.

[jBlakeeper]

They’re just trying to be more racially diverse, which is fine by me. But these things are being shoved at us by gaming and all sorts of media that we engage in on a daily basis. It lessens racism which is definitely a good thing.

[jBlakeeper]

This does seem very forced though. Having someone be black in a game about Norse mythology is diversity for diversity’ sake.

[wwinterj]

Just like having someone blue in it right?

[ShadowWolf712]

And Brok being blue and talking like an old prospector or Sindri being a delicate germaphobe, that's a-ok?

[Half13yte]

Are the people upset about a mythological Norse character being portrayed as Black just as upset about Jesus being portrayed as Caucasian?

[TricksterArrow]

No, they don't really care. Jesus is portrayed as white, so that's OK and a tolerable "spin" on the character. Please, catch up.

[Eamon]

Jesus' portrayal as Caucasian is an old trope that existed long before any of us here on N4G. It's entirely inaccurate and if people are offended by this notion then that's their problem. There is no historically accurate representation of Jesus but if we were going to take a more reliable guess then he'd more likely resemble a Jewish Middle Easterner than a pale skinned European.

But many productions lately have portrayed Jesus' race more accurately though. Any complaints about that would be based on sheer ignorance.

[Shiore2u]

Jesus is portrayed as Asian in Asia and Black in some parts of Africa. His depiction to make him relatable to a foriegn people in jarring contrast to his region of birth and ethnic origin is hardly something exclusive to just one part of the world. Considering Western nations are majority white comprised, it suits just as much as the depictions in Asia and Africa do for the same reason.

[jznrpg]

People are going to cry about something always . Just make a good game that’s all that matters to me .

[Teflon02]

These articles need to be filtered out. These people pretend this isn't some racial hate situation but are the same ones who get mad at devs for saying they're not okay with racism a year ago. After that situation it's better people just be quiet, they've already shown how disgustingly racist people are. Calling racism political like basic human rights and respect is something political...

[Promachos]

Santa Monica.....Black character in a game = wider demographic = we serve our liberal brothers + more money for us.

[Outlawzz]

Wow the bigots really showed up for this one lmao

[BlaqMagiq1]

There's literally nothing wrong with this. This is the same as people complaining that Thor is fat. People will forget all about this when the game comes out and enjoy it like the last game.

[CrimsonWing69]

It’s forced as much as Jeff’s daughter in The Lost World, but in the end you’ll get over it.

[godofboobees]

Here's the thing about mythology.
Myth: a widely held but false belief or idea.
They can do whatever the f@#$ they want with it

[SullysCigar]

Your username is completely immature - I love it lol

[TheDoomedGuy]

Here's the thing about mythology.
Myth: a widely held aspect of a culture.

Do you now agree that anyone can do whatever they want with a culture? I do...but i don't exclude any cultures. The question here is why didn't they add this type of thing in previous god of wars?

I know the answer since it's pretty clear.

[Eamon]

Sure they can do what they want on it. But it's not right to cry foul when people point out inauthenticity.

Best response is to just say, "well this is our own spin on the mythology" and leave it at that. But to accuse those of making those points of something evil is well... not cool. It also really take a big dump on the real issues of racism in our society and trivialises it. There was a time in America where buses and schools were segregated based on race. There was a time where your skin colour would make a bank official deny you a loan or mortgage. There was a time where local gov would deny massive funding to deprived areas based on the race of the population. There was a time where parents would forbid their children from marrying people from a different race. This was the real oppression.

[Alex_vance21]

At least the god of war director admits that God of war's Norse mythology is not the actual mythology, but his own spin on it. This means, as I have been saying, Thor is not fat. Norse Mythology does not support it and now we have it on record that fat Thor and Black Angraboda are his interpretations and not the actual lore. After all Norse mythology is based in Norway and during the creation of the myth there were probably no black people. Furthermore, when you add the context of the actual creators of the myth, not the Norse historian who wrote the myth down in the Eddas and added his own interpretation of how Thor looks. That is my problem with people saying that Thor is fat or Angraboda could be black, the evidence, which is very weak is based on the first actual written translation of the Norse mythology. Before the mid 13th century, the Norse mythology was told orally and passed down through the Norse/Viking generations. Not to mention the description of Thor the game journalists keep citing does not seem to be an actual description of Thor, but their interpretation of him. I mean if there description of Thor really came from the myth, why have they not cited the passage or poem this description came from. This is what the games media does to manipulate the facts, they assert something to support their argument or view and do not provide their source or evidence for their assertion. Most sheeple would take them at their word, but as an academic I will always demand evidence for an assertion. It does not matter who some games journalist or some developer. If you have the audacity to assert something without convincing evidence you deserve to be criticized for such a weak justification. As in the case of Thor and Angraboda, Matt Sophos justification is lacking and that is why he will continue to face criticism. I mean if there is a source material why not stick to the source material. The source material is an outline on how to make something that caters to the fans casual and hard core alike. This modern audience thing the entertainment industry is pushing is complete BS.

This constantly happens in the entertainment industry where there is source material for a medium, but the director of the work argues that they are making the work for a modern audience completely ignoring the source material and alienating the hard core audience that is already established and willing to give the person or studio money for the new content in the series. The funny thing is that making things for a modern audience always ends up with a lack of sales because what these companies are forgetting is the hard core audience obsessively buys things that they are passionate about and the casual crowd literally buys one or two things for entertainment a month and simply do not care that you are trying to cater to them. So when a studio or person alienates the hard core crowd they are losing a lot of money since the hard core crowd are the heaviest buyers of content.

[PrinceAli]

Loool... I've said it before and i shall say it again.. THESE ARE THE SITUATIONS THAT SHOW WHYYYY THE GAMING COMMUNITY IS CONSIDERED A TOXIC JOKE! And you all get angry when people name call and make assumptions when for the most part is IS deserving! You're all weirdos its as simple as that

[Battlestar23]

To all the commenters that are saying that having a black character in the game is pandering or woke i have to tell you that there has been a black character in the game since the first one and this characters name is.....Kratos. So congratulations you guys the main character in the game you have been playing as has always been a black man.

Also another FYI Jesus was born in Jerusalem which is in Israel and he actually wasn't white he had brownish skin so if anyone here hates certain people because they have different skin color to you then you also hate Jesus as well think about that.

[Alex_vance21]

Kratos is not black. He is greek. Kratos does not have the facial features of a black person. Furthermore both his parents are white greeks. His mom is a Greek woman and his father is She's, the Greek god of thunder and very much white.

This is what we talk about when we talk about people attributing identity politics in games. Kratos is clearly not black, but to try to finish the criticism of Angraboda being black when it does not fit in the Norse Myth. God of war ragnarok having Thor be fat and Angraboda black is clearly the pushing of identity politics by the games director.

Furthermore, the reason the god of war trilogy is held in such high regard is it respects Greek mythology and is as close as you can get to the Greek mythology without copying the narrative. The only liberties taken are with the introduction of the character Kratos and the narrative is tweaked to fit in Kratos as a character. The problem with Ragnarok is with the deviation from the Norse Myth with some of the character designs.

[EmperorDalek]

On Thor: "We want our Norse characters to be as lore accurate as possible"

On Angrboda: "This is OUR Norse interpretation"

From what I gathered, she's a redhead in the lore... Interesting how they seem to get shoved aside with these things. They're doing the same race swap with the live action Little Mermaid. Almost like you would call it racism.

[wwinterj]

Brok is blue in this universe. Now what?

[Phoenixryu]

The reason they did it is simple. They're racists against white people and they are trying to cleanse us from our own history; mythological or otherwise. They have done it many times now trying to claim ancient Rome was basically a subdivision of Africa. Race swapping white (often red-headed) characters for black ones and so on. The fear of being labeled racists has them scrambling to blackwash everything to the point where they have become racists just not in the way they were worried about.

[ConsoleAgnostic]

Anyone offended by this it needs to take a hard look at their life 🤦

[The7Reaper]

She was described as having red hair like dried blood, what's up with media erasing redheads lately?

[kevinsheeks]

lmao of course it's racism the creators did their own vision and even after explaining people are still upset it's just blatant racism I appreciate the few who will openly be racist not the ones who try to sugar coat it.

[kevinsheeks]

I hope they make the black girl the new protagonist going forward while keeping the god of war name :D if it'll piss some of you off even more, I want that blood pressure high. :D

[antikbaka]

Yeah, and here name should be Kratinia! So brave, much stunning!

[kevinsheeks]

I think you're trolling but I can't tell, I'm a little older and have sparred with some of the best trolls you seem young but keep it up you'll become a professional one day.

also BAKAAAAA!!!

[brew]

Loki's father is Greek? - I'm ok with that.
Angrboda is black? - Oh , my , god ! What have they done? Cultural Appropriation.

Unbelievable

[gerbintosh]

If they really care about race and equality they would make a new game with a black female lead. In fact, here is a freebie Sony: Goddess of War, game with black female goddess of Egyptian lore.

[kevinsheeks]

There was a point where I use to try to reason and discuss and ask questions and considered "maybe this is genuine concern" but I noticed this outraged occurred across the broad within every medium even with the black panther film you had users online saying it would be marvels first flop and that they wouldn't support a movie that panders.

You have to realize these terms and long explanations aren't anything but a guise some may be more clever with their wordplay but at the end of the day the intent is clear racism is a mental illness but I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon.

[Flewid638]

Imagine giving a shit about this over whether the game will be any good or not. People, man. lol.

[NewEnds0186]

What a pointless debate.

[TheLigX]

Just knowing how much this pisses nazis and white nationalists off gives me the warm and fuzzies all over.

[fitofficial]

"This plucky token corporate-mandated think-tanked character is part of our own spin!"

So organic.

[anast]

In other news...

[AndrewM]

I love how all the racists say their not racist. Of course your all brainwashed idiots from the states so...not surprising. How long until we see a black character or woman or whomever in a roll you don't think they should be in, thus its Hollywood doing pandering, its snowflakes getting their way, bunch of losers changing the way things are. How many years or decades need to go by for you to think its not any of those things I mentioned before, its just what it is? If your answer is never, then your a racist or sexist regardless yoir a horrible horrible human being.

[Sayai jin]

The insecure are up in arms. They'll get over it.
Spot on. They don't need to explain themselves, but it's there way to say to those complaining...that thisnis thr way we are going to do this so del with it.

[Bathyj]

How about they make whatever the Fk game they want with whoever they want in it and if you don't like it buy something else. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

BTW this character looks adorable and the actress chemistry is described as a treasure. How can this be a bad thing?

[Aussiesummer]

Let's see a new black panther with a white lead.

[KingofBandits]

Its a fictional story and character so her race is not meant to be historically accurate. However in a universe where skin tones vary from literally white to, Caucasian, to green gray and light purple/blue it seems a bit far fetched that this one character would line up with a very real representation of a black American, unless it was completely intentional and done for the exact reasons we ALL know it was, its not rocket science. That said, I have no issues with a black character ,where most do is with race/gender swapping. Its just not OK. There were no black Norse Gods, no black Vikings. Doing these things are revisionist history being pushed by people who seek to pander and indoctrinate.

Make the next God Of War reboot based on African lore and Gods, and still make Kratos white......yeah not cool is it. How about a white south african black panther? Or White Blade from Marvel? Oh thats not OK? Well neither is race swapping people of color for whites. Its a two way street, I don't care about representation, because we are are a point now of over representation/misrepresentati on in all forms of western media is at a ridiculous level. Make a compelling black character, in their own universe and people will play/watch/read it. Stop with the heavy handed forced imagery. If its "racist" then that works both ways. Also for anyone still dumb enough to think that whites would not be the most represented in Western countries where whites are the vast majority of the population and have been for hundreds of years then I really don't know what to tell you. Maybe find out how many African stories or drawings there are throughout history that do not depict a Black man, or a chapter of the Quran that centers on a white man? Oh you can't? Gee I wonder why.....

[HeliosHex]

At the end of the day there was never a single black character in this franchise. So why now after all these years? It stinks of pandering period. This guy says all media is politics when someone doesn't agree. I call bs. When the disagreement is more about race, gender and social issues in your movie or game you as the creator failed to tell a Neutral story you made it political and likely because you decided to pander rather than tell a proper story. This guy can make all the excuses he wants. If you feel a way about these creative choices your reasons are valid.

[artgamer]

Dumbest thing I've read all week.

At the end of the day Kratos also never had a full beard before, why now all of a sudden?

I really don't know why I work in the gaming industry today, it's basically just making stuff for pathetic, sorry losers.

[HeliosHex]

@artgamer Sounds like you use your platform for social issues instead of entertainment. Which means your games suck. If your asking yourself why you make games for people who don't agree with you, perhaps you need to evaluate your life choices to something that doesn't trigger you. Your rational about comparing sudden beards to sudden race inclusion is the dumbest comparison for validity I've ever heard.

[MadLad]

She's dark skinned.
Get over it.

[nzjono]

Woke virtue signaling nonsense. Lets recast the Black Panther movie with an all Asian female cast.

[moongrim]

I love how this triggers dumb racists. LOVE IT

[EvertonFC]

Who writes this dribble

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

I really don't see what the issue is. I don't see how adding a black character is pandering to a...particular crowd. This isn't 100 percent real mythology.

As a 29 year old black man who is COMPLETELY DISGUSTED by the WOKE agenda infecting our games, I saw no reason for people to be up in arms about this.

[Android]

Human beings man. We need to be less predictable. We're turning into bots.

[redknight80]

So progressive...so powerful....

[DEKUX12]

HERE WE GO AGAIN LOL

[skyrimer]

It's not a matter of a black character being present on a norse mythology tale, it's weird but it's fantasy after all, but the thing is I'm pretty sure that if you made a fantasy tale of ancient african or mayan cultures and a white male popped out of nowhere as a god or a well known character from that culture, many people would rage about cultural appropriation and so on and so forth.Same with Marvel or DC characters, it's cool to have a black Deadshot, but I doubt we'll see a white Black Panther, Falcon, or any traditionally black character on their universes. Basically, it's a one way street, which for the sake of equality, it's not really fair.

[Shinox]

Not gonna lie this is the most forced "diversity" propaganda i have ever seen slapped into our faces , for a moment i thought this is life is strange character or something ,, its so out of place its not even fitting

[hotnickles]

If she is the connection to the Egyptian culture then not only would I not have a problem with it, I would think it’s fantastic. Some Egyptian god followed the same path as Kratos at the same time and has a child with a giant. Like for instance this guy:

Onuris (Anhur) - He was a god of war and hunting. His name means "He Who Brings Back The Distant One" which is a reference to the story about his retrieval of the Eye of Ra from Nubia.

There is much potential there. If she’s just black for no reason other than a check mark I still wouldn’t have a “problem” but it is weak and weird no doubt. Post modern sensibilities.

https://human.libretexts.or...

Read this before you reply with a “Egyptians weren’t black post”.

[RaiderNation]

I champion the creators to make whatever TF they want without the meddling, sniveling SJW twidiots, thinking anybody cares about what they think.