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The Crucial P5 Plus is a PS5 compatible SSD

Micron Technology has announced and released the Crucial P5 Plus NVMe SSD. With read speeds of up to 6,600MB/s, the Crucial team has confirmed to us that the P5 Plus meets the required specs to be a PS5 compatible SSD. If you’re running the PS5 system software beta, this is another option for expanding your internal storage.

The Crucial P5 Plus comes in 500GB, 1TB and 2TB sizes, and it is one of the cheapest options in this tier of SSD performance. The P5 Plus 1TB costs $179.99 / £157.19, while the 2TB model costs $367.99 / £320.39. However, per Sony’s specifications, you will then need to add an aftermarket heatsink.

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Jin_Sakai1391d ago

So you have to add an aftermarket heat sink? No thanks.

gamer78041390d ago

Yah this isn’t very console like, if I have to basically open up the machine and stick a third party item directly in it better have a heat sink that’s been ps5 tested for many hours under a high load.

Eonjay1390d ago

You have been able to open the PlayStation and put in a third party drive since PS3. This is the easiest its ever been.

gamer78041390d ago

@enojay not the part I’m referring to. Putting a heat sink on you haven’t had to do before.

Eonjay1390d ago

If you are that worried about putting a heatsink on, there are preinstalled options. Also, PC users have been 'beta testing' these drives and heatsinks for months. There are tests for the PS5 showing no notable heat increase after installation. I am glad Sony is requesting this so you guys can see that console gamers aren't idiots and we can actually preform simple tasks. Console doesn't mean inept. Don't buy into the 'I can't figure it out' mentality. You got this @gamer7804. Don't down or belittle yourself just to be part of the wave of ignorance.

gamer78041390d ago

@Eonjay, oh I’ve been building computers for a while and installing heat sink now isn’t a big deal for me, Ill get one once they are tested out in the wild but Sony should partner up to make the experience better for the average consumer is all I’m saying. I can already see some parents buying them without the heat sinks and their kids sticking them in.

OB1Biker1389d ago

Because options are always a bad thing and we all know grandma will buy the latest SSD from Morrison and give as Christmas present to kids who don’t know better.
Think about the children Sony!

gamer78041389d ago

@OB1Biker of course options are a good thing, but if they are going to sell them at stores branded for ps5 they need to make sure only the heat sink versions are available.

duplissi1389d ago

you aren't opening up the machine, you're taking a plate off, and then unscrewing the drive cover...

If you can't handle that...

gamer78041389d ago

@Dupplissi. Read the thread next time

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VenomCarnage891390d ago (Edited 1390d ago )

Heat sinks stick right on and cost like $10. If that's too much for anyone, they deserve to get ripped off by Microsoft's proprietary option

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH1390d ago

You sound ridiculous. For starters MS's option is GUARANTEED to work it's simply plug and play. It cost $220 no other purchase needed. With Sony's option you have to many variables that can have people wasting time and money. Sony themselves said these drives are NOT guaranteed to work. Then on top of all this you still need to buy the correct heatsink. All these steps just to HOPE you got the right SSD an to expand storage. At some point MS will offer other options for SSD and when they do it will still be easier than Sony's options. Both companies are ripping us off when it comes to this storage BS but to act like Sony is doing such a wonder job with this is pure blind fanboy bs.

Teflon021390d ago

Where is Sony ripping you off on storage?
Sony doesn't dictate the prices and the speeds warrant these prices as opposed to MS where they got an embarrassingly slow drive for an NVMe

JackBNimble1390d ago

Sony says they aren't liable if something goes wrong . I wonder how long it's going to take before people start complaining they bricked their ps5 and Sony wont fix or replace them.

ocelot071390d ago

@SEAKxTHExTRUTH

Stop acting like this is some sort of rocket science. Yes we get it Microsoft propiatory memory card is easier to install. Great for xbox series x/s owners you don't have to do to much.

But don't act like PS5 owners have to disassemble their console. Don't act like people can't use google. It's even easier than what the PS4 HDD swap is.

Sony is not ripping anyone off as they are not SELLING any SSD. Sony are being consumer friendly here. They are letting people go and buy 3rd party SSD's. Manufacturers will soon enough try and cost cut each other with ls5 compatible drives.

£159 for a 1TB gen 4 nvme m.2 drive plus £5 for a heatsink is cheaper than Microsoft's memory card and also faster at the same time.

Plus the feature is in beta at the moment. Not everyone can access it. So once everyone gets access to it in a few months am sure Sony will have a detailed list of compatible drives and will keep adding to it.

But please explain to me how Sony is ripping people off here I really want to here your explanation.

uth111389d ago

Not every 2.5" drive fit in the ps4 either. But just like then you can ask on the internet for recommendations or check product reviews.
This is no different

VariantAEC1387d ago

@JackBNimble
Sony isn't liable but changing out the drive is covered under the warranty.
So while Sony isn't responsible for any damage they will repair or replace it if you used a compatible NVMe drive and that resulted in a bricked system so long as it happened within the warranty period. For most of us that will likely happen within our warranty period seeing as how most of us are still awaiting the opportunity to buy the system.

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Nuclearmoon1390d ago

Dont need to add a heatsink. If it needed one it would already come with one. The heatsink specification it only there to show the maximum dimensions of a double sided heatsink so the drive can physically fit inside the console.

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH1390d ago

So all the tech analysis are wrong about adding a heatsink and you are correct? Lol please anyone who reads Nuclearmoon's post do not listen to him. Get a heatsink...

Teflon021390d ago (Edited 1390d ago )

That's not what they said, they said you don't need one. It's the preference for obvious throttling avoidance. But it's like I was told I need a heatsink for my 970 pro and I actually have had no real issues with it almost 3 years later
That being said, I wouldn't get these new ones without a heatsink. Just makes more sense to be safe.

buffig1389d ago

@Teflon02 Your 970 isn't the same spec. Gen 4 PCI-E runs at much higher temps under load. And tests show that drives without a heatsink in the PS5 run at significantly higher temps, which throttle them and potentially reduce life span. Everybody should either buy one with a heatsink or add an aftermarket one, for the sake of £10, you'd have to be an idiot not to

StoneyYoshi1390d ago

Heatsinks aren't complex in design. Theres plenty of heatsinks that take less than 5 minutes to put on that will perform no different than a pre installed one. Be Quiet is a brand that has great cooling products for computers and they sell one for like 14 bucks.

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masterfox1390d ago

keep them coming!, will be lots of options to choose from when the PS5 internal expansion enables, is going to be awesome! not to mention the prices will go down as well :D

ocelot071390d ago

Exactly yet people are stupid to realise this. Some people on here even think Sony is out to rip people off over this lol. Guarantee a year from now. There will be a whole host of compatible drives for the ps5 and the prices will have come down.

Doge1390d ago

Crucial and Sabrent are usually the more cheaper options to go with. Glad to hear there’s support for it.

gold_drake1390d ago

id rather not mess with heatsinks and the like. not all of us are tech savy and can actually do that correctly.

Eonjay1390d ago

It only takes 30 seconds. You can do it. There are dozens of videos showing you how to do it. 30 seconds bro. You can't mess it up. Its easier and faster than setting up PSVR.

ocelot071390d ago

You don't have to be tech savvy to install a heatsink. Depending what you get a basic one is just a strip of metal that has a heat transfer pad stuck to it. Simply just take the backing tape of and attach to the drive.

Sayai jin1390d ago

Not sure why people don't understand why people would be hesitant to open up and install something in their $400 to $500 device. I will obviously do it immediately as it looks super easy and I build cusrom rigs, but that's me. I am not the average consumer. Not to mention parents, uncles, aunts, grandparents that brought or will buy a PS5 for their family members.

An approved device list will be good, bit some people will still try to find a cheaper way with unapproved ssds.

I like having options, but I feel many will look at an upgrade and see...

1. I have to open up the PS5.

2. I have to find a compatible SSD. Not to mention insuring that iy has a heatsink.

3. PSony doesn't gaurantee they will work (which is understsndable IMO).

I know there will be videos of the process with recommendations, but there are always videos on how to do simple upgrades. Not everyone will want to risk it.

gold_drake1390d ago (Edited 1390d ago )

exactly.
just because there are video tutorials, doesnt mean that ill do it correctly the first time, and id rather not do something that will break my console.

atleast one person gets it ha.

buffig1389d ago

Look for compatible drive, open case, plug in drive, done. I installed mine tonight and it couldn't have been more simple

one2thr1390d ago

If you can put a screen protector on your phone with little to no air bubbles, then the process of adding a heatsink to a NVMe SSD should be a non-issue for you.

gold_drake1389d ago (Edited 1389d ago )

i feel like one is not like the other. lol.
i personally dont want to mess with it, im not sure why people dont seem to get that.
y'all seem to know what you're doing, i dont. so go ahead, do your thing, im not gonna do it.

Sayai jin1389d ago

Not even close to being the same . Also, if there is an issue. the end result for one is that simply need to get another screen protector....your pjone still works. While the end result for the other, could mean it wont work, overheat and cause damage, etc.

one2thr1389d ago (Edited 1389d ago )

How hard do you both think, you have to apply a thermal pad and place a heat sink on top of it?

I'm a big guy myself, but to think anyone can mess this up, in this day and age with complicated steps of applying a screen protector to your $1000 Android or Apple phone.

Especially they curved tempered glass protectors, and maybe the traditional vinyl type as well.

For the protectors I've used-

You gotta use a moist towelette,

Then a dry towelette,

Then use a semi sticky dust remover

Then apply the protector without leaving bubbles

And some protectors have compatibility issues with screen embedded finger print scanners.

Whereas with a MVMe Heatsink-

Lay the SSD down

Then place a semi sticky thermal pad on it, top and/or bottom

Place the heatsink on the top of and/or bottom thermal pad

Secure the heatsink to the SSD with provided fasteners

Now place it the complete SSD with heat sink in the m.2 slot

There will also be compatibility issues seeing that not all drivers will be supported.

But both task can literally be easily done with the same exact level of comprehension of the other task.

This isn't as complex as its being made out to be.

gold_drake1389d ago

again, if you think its easy, do it.

i dont think its easy, i waited way too long for my ps5 and i wont mess with it just for an ssd, that is not properly optimised for it and needs extra steps taken care off that involves doing something to the console itself.

and its not the same thing as putting screen protection on a smartphone.

and i too have big man hands and this has nothing to do in what day an age we live in, cause chances are that the majority of ppl dont know what they're doing with the insides of a console or a pc.
you know it? brilliant mate. glad you do.

Sayai jin1388d ago

I don't find it difficult myself. I build gaming rigs...now it is just plug and play. Did it back inthe day too.

It boils down to many people do not feel comfortable opening up electronics.

Answr this, if you kess up on installing a phoned case, what is the worse outcome?

Same. What of someonr installs an ssd in their PS5 incorrectly. Not to mention whether or not it is compatible, has a heatsink, etc. What icouls be the outcome?

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duplissi1389d ago

except it's about as hard as putting a case on a phone... if you've done that before then you have the skills to do this. People just get way to anxious about tech. this has nothing to do with being techy at all.

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TorpeAlex1390d ago

If it doesn’t come with a heat sink then it does *not* meet the requirements! That’s like saying that a car missing a tire is legal to drive. Don’t publish irresponsible titles like these, people are going to overheat their $700+ investments.

BrainSyphoned1390d ago

"The subwoofers in my trunk will overheat my engine."

Sayai jin1390d ago

@Brain, that anology is not accurate at all. Now if you said the high output alternstor or large amp may cause car problems...

chronoforce1390d ago

Your console will overheat because your SSD has no heat sink?

elazz1390d ago

There are pcie 4.0 SSD's for which the difference of a heatsink isn't big. A 980 pro comes without and works even under stress fine. Nothing will burn up. It is just advised and I would also advise to do that but nothing will break.

Teflon021390d ago

Relax my NVMe SSD in my PC had no heatsink and loads games fast without much issue (not ps5 fast of course, but fast

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"Everything Happening To Bungie Is Because of Greed" -ex-employees

Ex- employees Hope Studio Gets "Consolidated Into Sony"

Former Bungie employees speak out in a new report, blaming greed and leadership for the studio’s troubles, and say full Sony consolidation is the best way forward.

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dveio3d ago

Interesting article, even with some actual names of the people voicing their thoughts.

I think that we've had enough similiar situations at other studios and publishers already, hell even completely different businesses, to know that OF COURSE it's always about hostile environments at work and the search for rather effortless profits than causing excitment with great ideas.

All deflecting statements, wether from managements or other people in charge, have always, literally always been untruthful. Always.

And it's so silly.

Nothing of this crap causes a nuclear war.

But all the people in charge act like everything is top secret f'n CIA like intel, trying everything to not stand up for their mistakes.

I mean it's pathetic, it really is. In the brand scheme of it all it's truly pathetic.

robtion2d ago

Let me just fix this:

'Everything Bad Happening in 'The world' Is Because of Greed'

Bravo captain obvious.

Obscure_Observer3d ago

All of sudden consolidation is now a good thing.

Eonjay3d ago

Right I actually agree with you here. Something doesnt' seem right almost like Sony wants them to look bad because it is trying to takeover. I can't figure out Sony's intentions here but they are already wholely owned so full consolidation means that they can bring in their own management. And honestly this is probably NOT what Bungie wanted.

Obscure_Observer3d ago

"Well the obvious answer to that is that it kinda looks like Bungie is getting torn to shreds without Sony's help. And clearly there is no way Sony is going to spend all that money and not step in to help steady the ship at Bungie because that would be a huge wasted investment."

Exactly!

Phil allowed Pete Hines to run the show at Bethesda and we got Redfall as result. Now that he´s gone and Bethesda reports directly to Matt Booty at XGS, things are definitely getting better!

It´s past time to Sony to take over Bungie and fire that POS Pete Parsons.

-Foxtrot3d ago

Sony has literally given these guys chance after chance, they gave them an extra BILLION to try and keep talent along with telling them to sort their s**t out

What else can they do here? They gave them free reign, extra money and they've spat in their faces.

If they took full control when they bought them they might have been able to salvage them.

TheColbertinator3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Bungie will be torn to shreds with Sony in full control. Another addition to the cemetery like Zipper or Sony Liverpool

Eonjay3d ago

Well the obvious answer to that is that it kinda looks like Bungie is getting torn to shreds without Sony's help. And clearly there is no way Sony is going to spend all that money and not step in to help steady the ship at Bungie because that would be a huge wasted investment.

MrBeatdown3d ago

Whatever mental gymnastics you just went through must be exhausting.

It sounds like you have some baggage from Microsoft's acquisition spree.

SimpleDad3d ago

Bungie was indie, so they depended on in game monetization. Sony makes money from other sources: music, movies, psn, ps hardware...

...so devs are hoping by full Sony consolidation they will cut down the monetization part, and make things easier for them...

...but keep in mind, Sony bought them because of their monetization and live service model and design, so much so they tried to make every Sony IP into a live service spinoff.

So I don't see much change in anything, for us consumers, if Sony takes full control.

Michiel19892d ago

i don't think you know what the word Indie means. Bungie has be under the hood of MS for a long time and basically were under the actiblizz hood while they were making Destiny. They are one of the biggest AAA studios, the polar opposite of indie. Technically they weren't owned, but they made deals with Acti like they were. Indie refers to smaller independent studios and don't need in game monetization at all to work. Hades for example has 0 ingame purchase options yet made a lot of money.

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Xbox May Update: Retro Classics Come to Xbox Game Pass, PC Gaming Updates, and More

A variety of new updates are available this month across the gaming platforms. Coming today, Retro Classics games are available to play for Xbox Game Pass members. Players who stream on the Xbox app on PC now have an additional streaming option with GeForce Now. Game Bar introduces quick settings, visual updates for Widgets in Compact Mode, and coming soon, Microsoft Edge Game Assist, an in-game browser that brings an immersive game-centric experience to Edge. And Xbox gift cards can now be redeemed for any amount via Xbox Rewards.

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While i appreciate the gesture.... all of these retro classics have been made available everywhere else. I am hoping to see some other Activision properties make their way out of the shackles of the 5th, 6th and 7th gen. Licensing be damned... bring back the Transformers Cybertron games.

P_Bomb4d ago

Love the Cybertron games! TF games have been shit lately. Would love to see that era revisited. I even did the multiplayer!

MrBaskerville3d ago

Is the retro classics for all consoles?

Obscure_Observer4d ago

Metaphor on Gamepass just announced! O.o

Seriously, this is the best generation of Xbox ever!!!

We can´t catch a freaking break from awesome games arriving all the time!!!

Deathdeliverer4d ago

It’s a HELL of a game. If you like JRPGs in the family of Persona, you will be in heaven… that is until you hear the various battle music…. then you’ll be somewhere BEYOND heaven!

babadivad3d ago

Just finished Clair Obscur. This should be fun.

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Former PlayStation boss says 'stupid money' crippled the game industry

Shuhei Yoshida offers his take on the recent industry implosion and ponders whether there's light at the end of the tunnel.

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Jin_Sakai4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Greed crippled the game industry and other things I won’t go into.

DarXyde4d ago

Ironically, so did tech advancements.
New tech creates pressure to take full advantage of the power for people to feel a box is worth it. That expectation bloats team sizes (and by extension, costs) and to be more secure in a high risk-high reward project, they play it safe (which is why I think a lot of the industry is facing creative bankruptcy). Few franchises are proper exceptions because they're damn near entitled to a ROI.

But other than that? I'd say the adoption of Blu-ray in the PS3 kind of acted as the architect to some of the things some of us hate today. The decision to adopt it resulted in painfully show loading times because the drive was slow in the PS3. The result was mandating every console to have an HDD for installs, and Xbox 360 then discontinued those arcade models and every console came with an HDD. That adopted standard lead to a lot of games that were physical only to be available via download and that laid a path for digital distribution and the gradual death of physical media we're witnessing now. It was always going to be this way eventually, but it's hard to think that guaranteeing a HDD didn't lay some important groundwork. And now with crazy fast SSD storage and download speeds, it's gotten worse and now we're bloody streaming games via cloud computing.

Rage774d ago

Really great take on how we got to this point. Will add that the weaponizing/monetizing of the "console warring" concept, accelerated/facilitated all of your points. When you take what used to be simple bantering and jabbing between different fanbases and throw money/resources at it as the most effective marketing tool, instead of improving any areas that might add longevity to your products, you only improve sales while creating a destructive environment. Which now has come full circle. Gaming media/tech sites capitalized on this as well. So we now end up in a landscape where we get less for more, nobody is held accountable (unless you are Nintendo in which case, you will always be blamed for everything including world hunger) and what you now call and parade as "greed" to defend you own greedy company is years upon years of every asshat that has paid in $$$ what these companies get away with today, but yeah that "burn" or "you got ratioed" or "fanboy" this and that was worth it huh.

ZycoFox4d ago

It's also screwing over gamers with limited budgets for PC hardware, well Nvidia is trying to at least.

Knushwood Butt4d ago

OK, but what did Shu do about this while he was working in the industry?
If he felt so strongly about it, why didn't he quit sooner?
I'm honestly getting a bit tired of seeing this guy come out with all this stuff, week after week, yet he didn't seem to do anything about it when he was a prominent figure IN the industry.
*I got passed over for the CEO role and sidelined into an Indies CRM role, but I just sucked it up and did it for several years.* Great.

Lightning774d ago (Edited 4d ago )

"If he felt so strongly about it, why didn't he quit sooner?"

Jim Ryan held him and down and demoted him to Indy role as you pointed out. We all wondered why Shuhei was never put in charge in the past and everyone else seemingly passing him up in high position's. Everyone getting promoted except him. He also spoke up about the LS awhile ago then folded and was actually help make Concord.

If it's not making the most money and attempt to have conversation that maximize profit they won't promote. Why? Because Shuhei was seemingly for the ppl.

Despite his 80$ comment on games.

Knushwood Butt4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

'then folded and was actually help make Concord'.
Right, so once again he just sucked it up and went against what he thought was the correct path.
He also clearly didn't turn things around for Concord.
Seriously, if he felt so strongly about this stuff he should have quit ages ago; not just suck it up for years and then bitch about it to the public AFTER he quit.

zaanan4d ago

Agree.
It’s easy to armchair QB other people’s decisions, but it’s all speculation. Maybe he loved Sony and wanted to see if things would turn around. It’s also hard to leave a place when you have been there so long. You think you have friends who will help you out, until you don’t. The corporate world really is dog eat dog. Having obligations like family also makes you do things you may not want to do in a perfect world. But this world is far from perfect, and so are we. So I will cut Shu some slack.

Lightning774d ago

"Right, so once again he just sucked it up at went against what he thought was the correct path."

I mean yeah. He didn't have much of a choice. It was either go with what Jim wanted or get fired.

He went against LS but had to help with it anyway. Probably talked about all the bad spending that Sony was doing (and still are.) Corps don't want you to talk sense, they want to I to talk cents. That's goes for everybody.

Not sure why he didn't leave earlier he probably wanted to wait for the right opportunity to leave on a high note or leave on his terms. Much better than getting forced out.

Knushwood Butt4d ago

Yeah, and sure, leadership don't want anyone rocking the boat; they just want 'yes' people through the ranks, but Shu didn't quit and make a point; he sucked it up for months or years. Nor did he go out on a high note.
If he felt so strongly about this stuff he should have told Jim to shove it, and join xbox, but he didn't.

thorstein4d ago

At least he's talking about it and it's not just some anonymous internet person. That's why I posted his take. He was on the inside.

He knows better than most what's going on.

We live in a weird world where primary sources don't mean anything, evidence and reason hold no weight, but rumors and speculation hold the day.

Knushwood Butt4d ago

Yeah, agree in general, but pretty much everything he's said since he quit could have been covered in a 30 minute interview.
Next week:
In a new interview, Shu reveals that he knew factions was going to get canned months in advance, but was powerless to do anything about it so just sat back and kept his mouth shut (and getting a juicy salary).

SO71D4d ago

@Knushwood You don't work do you?

Knushwood Butt4d ago

I don't work for a corporation.

Outside_ofthe_Box4d ago

@SO1D

Was just going to say this. You can say this about anybody. Anyone on n4g that complains about greed but are doing nothing at their jobs to stop it... How dare you!

Knushwood Butt4d ago

@ Outside

It's not just greed though; it's flat out bad decisions and poor leadership, and Shu was one of those leaders.

Christopher4d ago

Because everyone knows you can really change the industry by quitting and being an outsider. I mean, his comments now aren't changing the industry at all. What would have been the advantage of doing it 8 years earlier?

Knushwood Butt4d ago

He didn't, and doesn't, have to be an outsider though.

And great job by him calling out all of this stuff in hindsight. 'The Embracer thing turned out to be a train wreck'. Was he predicting this as it was happening?

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Lightning774d ago (Edited 4d ago )

As gamers we also need to make it clear what we want. Do we want fancy RT and RT
shadows, global illumination etc? Oh that's right we have to do the internet thing and brag about all those things. What we need is innovative gameplay mechanics and deeper more dynamic story telling and reactive realistic worlds and characters imo. Emphasis on Innovative gameplay mechanics. Expedition 33 was made by a tiny group of 30 ppl. Not sure what the budget was but I know it wasn't no 400m$ project or nothing crazy like that.

They join the Baldurs Gate team for being independent and releasing great game with out corporate meddling and stupidly big budget's that kills jobs and studios. If more groups get to together remain independent and create games for gamers and fans this industry would be better off in the future. Again it's about getting away from big corpos because corpos aren't gonna change, ever, they're just not. Scary to be out on your own? Yes but high risk high reward again as we've seen.

anast4d ago

I like how they talk like this is a recent phenomenon.

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