1UP: A clarification on a comment made in the Killzone 2 preview

Due to the huge backlash of PS3 fans 1UP's Thierry Nguyen have this an more to say on his preview:

"I know I shouldn't be amazed, but I still am when people think I'm a Gears fanboy (which is funny since I've barely played any Gears 2) who writes nothing but slanderous words about Killzone2 and cites a misinterpretation of statement as proof, while ignoring the other nice things I've said. Oh internet, how I love thee."

[Omega4]

I really dont know why PS3 fans are expecting this to be the shooter of all shooters just because of a few positive previews.

People should be a lot more interested in the negative comments about the game so when the reviews come they wont be such a shock. I mean did anyone read the previews of Haze before it was released? They were all glowing even from IGN since they are generally there to build hype, but once the reviews hit the negative points came out in the bucket loads. The same will likely happen to Killzone too.

The fact that people lash out at a previewer just because he said a bad thing about a game you like is just beyond pathetic

[sunnygrg]

Fans are hyping KZ2 because it deserves everything it is getting. KZ2 is developed by GG and they have had plenty of support from the SCE team and yes, Insomniac too.

And Haze, you say? That game had promise, Free Radical just couldnt implement. But, with Killzone2, we are talking on a whole different level. Fans in the beta loved it (I hear no complaints, at least). Review sites are loving it.

"This incomplete game is already good enough to merit a 'Very Good' moniker" This statement coming from a guy who said he plays Gears, loved Fallout 3 and still gave it a B.

Admit it, KZ2 graphics are out of this world. And being one of those who haven't played it yet, I will just wait and see how it really plays when it ships.

[Violater]

I can say you do not know what you are talking about.
Many of the negative comments coming out of 1 up are unjustified.
Yes it is good to listen to criticism especially if it could make the game better.
But not when some of them are just uninformed.

[arika]

few positive reviews?! are you out of your mind, or are you saying a few negative reviews from ps3 haters. from what i have been hearing from friends who are in the beta and a lot of reliable(note reliable sites) this game is going to be the best fps ever. and how can you blindly defend a person or an organization when you yourself have no clue what they are talking about. do you even own a ps3? if you do are you in the killzone 2 beta? if not just keep it real and don't make up youre own story.

[Rob0g0rilla]

The beta has already won me over.

I could care less how many negative stories you post about this game so you can sleep at night.

"The same will likely happen to Killzone too. "

Save your opinions and judgment about the game until you buy a PS3 and play it. Until then stay on quiet mode. There just opinions kiddo. Yours holds no weight.

"The fact that people lash out at a previewer just because he said a bad thing about a game you like is just beyond pathetic"

Trolling is even more pathetic.

[solidjun5]

"Save your opinions and judgment about the game until you buy a PS3 and play it"

But Omega4 said a few weeks back that he has a PS3. LOL! as always, he's full of SH...Shoot, I have to get to Toy's R Us. Be right back.

[PirateThom]

Omega - If reviews are that important to you, you'd already own a PS3 and LittleBigPlanet and Metal Gear Solid 4.

The fact is, the entire gaming media got completely owned by Killzone 2.

After bashing Sony and Guerilla Games because they let their own imaginations run away with them over a target render and then lash out when they found it was CGI only to have their ego's bruised when they found that the render was not only exceeded, but the gameplay held up too. They can't accept that Sony are the one's delivering on their promises this gen, so are forced to nitpick.

The game will get bad reviews, if 7-8s are bad, but not because it deserves them, but because Sony and Guerilla delivered what they all claimed was impossible.

[gaffyh]

@Omega4 - I don't know about you, but I don't give a sh*t what the reviews say, they are a just a guideline imo. I make up my mind by watching gameplay videos, dev interviews, playing demos/betas (main reason I bought LBP) AND watching reviews and previews.

But even from the videos I can tell that this game looks like it will be fantastic. You'v got to be a complete xbox fanboy to not see that this game looks amazing, and looks like it plays amazing too.

Also I hate Thierry Nguyenhe's a complete retard, and way too harsh on review scores. e.g. http://www.1up.com/do/revie... - he game R2 B+ which ATLEAST deserves A-, but it's obvious he gave it a B cos he's a fanboy. I mean for God's sake, the first game got A- ( http://www.1up.com/do/revie... and this one is much better than the first one in almost every way.

[beavis4play]

i've never seen a shooter look like this. that's the reason i'm so excited. that and what i keep hearing about how KICK @SS crazy the final 4 levels are.

come on omega4, look at the rest of the high-profile shooters: COD series, resistance, halo series, crysis, farcry........KZ2 stands out. i could care less what system it's out for because if i didn't own it- i'd buy it so i could play the game. i actually think you're a bigger fanboy because you won't acknowledge how spectacular KZ2 looks.

and what are you talking about with haze? all i read in previews was how "meh" the game was shaping up to be. that's why when i played the demo and it sucked....i wasn't surprised. plus, comparing haze (or any shooter except crysis) to KZ2 is foolish; since no other shooter can match its visuals.

one area i can agree with you is how the game plays. i won't know how great that is until i acutally get it.(and no preview from sites like 1UP, edge, eurogamer, gamedaily, gamespot, gamesradar are going to influence me. i've had my copy paid for since last year......and we'll find out next february. i just hope you show up on the threads when the game turns out to be incredible.

[Rock Bottom]

I can't see Omega's post. :o

[uie4rhig]

Correction, "The fact is, the entire gaming media got completely Killzowned by Killzone 2." ;)

seriously tho.. i still haven't played it (not beta :( ) but from what i have seen it looks like its gonna become GOTY of 2009 if it doesn't it will come a close second (like really close).. i guess sony weren't lying when they said the PS3 can do anything..

[ultimolu]

Omega, you know what I'm sick of?

PS3 games being graded unfairly.

This will be my second year owning my launch PS3 and I have never, and I mean never played this many quality 1st party exclusive games in my entire life. I can see the amount of effort and time that went into these titles.

From what I'm seeing in this generation, Sony are being punished to death for their mistakes, and that excess punishment is unnecessary. They messed up, and every PS3 fan is aware of that. But there are also things that they HAVE done right.

All PS3 fans are asking for is that Killzone 2 gets the preview that it deserves. This game is INCREDIBLE and for 1up to find something stupid to nitpick the game on is just...I don't even know how to describe it.

It's just stupid.

This game should be respected for what it is-ten times better than the original one and may very well be one of the best games on the PS3.

And another thing. Based on your comments, you do not own a PS3. You have never breathed on a PS3. You bash every single thing under the sun that's PS3 related.

It's time to grow out of this.

[Itrguy001]

Omega look at all the shyt that you 360 fans have been hyping up and then u guys get support from biased 360 sites is just plain BS

[Aclay]

All I've got to say is this, Omega and all the rest of these Xbox 360 fanboys on this site are going to be in a puddle of tears once they see how many outstanding reviews Killzone 2 will get.

As far as Haze goes, in my opinion the game looked very "meh" before it was even released even if there was some positive previews. sing Killzone 2 and Haze in the same sentence should be a crime. Killzone 2 is on a entire different level of production value.

Every 360 fanboy were saying that Killzone 2's A.I. was gonna be crap, the framerate was going to be horrible, but after looking at the new Single Player gameplay videos, even with all that detail and action going on at one time, the framerate is spot on and the enemy A.I. is amazing. If anyone looks at Killzone 2's gameplay and thinks that it's going to be a flop must be mental or something.

So many 360 fanboys want Killzone 2 to flop, but guess what? It's not going to, so get over it. Omega and the rest of the 360 fanboys obviously are jealous that us PS3 owners get a high calibur highly anticpated game to kick off the new year, but all they have is GTA4 DLC in February. And the fact that Omega posts in almost every Killzone 2 preview thread just makes it obvious that he Fears the release of this game because it's shaping up so good... ha ha ha!

Killzone 2 FTW!!!!!!!!!! Can't wait to February 27th!

[Doppy]

He say as of right now the game would get a "B" (still a good grade) which insinuates that if they iron out the glitches, and polish the game to the max it could get a higher score, so there's no reason to be upset (besides it's an opinion).

The thing you should look at is this.

Released right now, it's a solid effort with some annoying glitches (some scripted sequences necessary for mission progress didn't happen due to the friendly A.I. failing to trigger said sequences) that could garner a B.

"This incomplete game is already good enough to merit a 'Very Good' moniker or, if you're into the whole numbers thing, an 85%. If it's this good already, I look forward to seeing the polished version when it comes out."

So he just stated that games that receive a "B" have a percentage of 85% which we all should know from school. However websites like Metacritic and Gamerankings give games that score a "B" only 75% meta and 80% GR and it gets way lower with each drop. GR is a lot closer to the actual grade and they use the same review sources most of the time which is why I like them better, but both need to change their systems.

I contacted Metacritic about this and they basically said this is how we do it and if you don't like it then too bad. Fortunately for them I'm not a hacker or I would waste that website, but I still think they need to make the change.

[OuterHaven]

why are u commenting on a PS3 thread, stick to 360.

[pixelsword]

...move along people; nothing to see here.

[prowiew]

I hate it when editors, reviewers from big gaming sites respond to negative comments by fanboys. Just ignore them. Be yourself and let the fanboys fight themself

[Ju]

@aebriscoejr That's not the point. Other games had these glitches in the release version (!) and got a free ride to the 10. That what upsets PS3 gamers. He could simple have spared us and himself a stupid comment like that. Even putting a B close to Killzone2.

And one more thing. Its their own fault. Would they have used the same standards from the beginning and could they ever come up with an objective measure system, nobody would be upset. But it seams, they (some gaming sites incl. 1up) try to establish these standards on PS3 games only.

One tip to 1up. Let someone with some love for the PS3 review this game. Please.

[Omega4]

Only 55 disagrees i expected more from this site lol

For the gaming communities sake i really do hope K2 does get top reviews because if it doesnt there will a lot of angry people on this site and after what happened to 1UP i can only imagine what kind of hate mail the PS3 community will dish out to other sites in fact i dont even want to think about it

Oh and for all those people who played the beta and say its great didnt you say the same for resistance 2 as well a look how that turned out.........im just saying :)

[GWAVE]

^^^^

Yes, look how it turned out: amazing. R2 offers some of the most robust and entertaining online play on the market right now.

Oh, and since people LOVE "Gears 2 vs R2" comparisons, which one has working servers right now?

And statements like this are why you get disagrees:

"The fact that people lash out at a previewer just because he said a bad thing about a game you like is just beyond pathetic"

But of course, you'll simply believe that the site is full of PS3 fanboys and that they're all out to get you, right? Funny, because you're just as quick to shoot down any equally-ridiculous conspiracy theories that claim journalists are biased against the PS3. In fact, that's what you're doing right now.

[solidjun5]

"Oh and for all those people who played the beta and say its great didnt you say the same for resistance 2 as well a look how that turned out.........im just saying :)"

Do you actually think (I know it can be hard for you) before you try to make your point? Well since you obviously don't have a PS3 and quite obviously never played R2, let me tell something. It's great, it's fun and the 8 player co-op is addictive. But you wouldn't know since you're like spew ignorant mess out your...fingers.

[Omega4]

Believe!!!!??? Its a fact that this site is full of PS3 fanboys, just look at the top 3 stories on the front page they are clearly in favor of the 360 right? You would never see story like that which put down the PS3 because the sites population would bombard them with Lame reports

The thing is everyone only says sites are biased against the PS3 when one of their precious exclusives get slammed, they werent saying 1UP were biased when LBP got a perfect score were they? I wonder why that was

Oh and before i forget for those who said i didnt own a PS3 he sum pics i took to prove some other guy on this site wrong:
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[Ju]

Omega, I don't get it. What are you trying to achieve here ?

[GWAVE]

Hah hah. Omega4 getting all riled up...

You're a fanboy. Plain and simple. You pretend to walk the high road, but anyone with half a brain can see through your farce. Every time I read your posts I laugh at all of the contradictions and slippery half-truths. Just because you have the privilege to post news on this site doesn't somehow cleanse you from fanboyish attitudes. Sadly, it is people like you in positions of video game journalism who are the same way, and that's why we have such an unbalanced and biased system of video game reviews.

"The thing is everyone only says sites are biased against the PS3 when one of their precious exclusives get slammed"

...and 360 owners only brag about sales and review scores when they're in their favor. Contradictions are everywhere. The problem is that you are under the (false) impression that PS3 owners are the only ones who fall prey to hypocrisy and bias.

And sadly, you truly believe that just because you own all the consoles, somehow that cleanses you from the fanboy label. It doesn't. I've had two 360s (both got the RRoD). Oooooh! I hate the 360! It's a terrible, terrible system. It's worthless. But hey, my statements are completely true and unbiased. I am not a fanboy because I've owned all the systems! Woooo hooo!

[Omega4]

LOL Who said i wasnt a fanboy, i love the 360 and thats why i defend it so much im not denying that, if i said otherwise then i apologize and take it back

"you truly believe that just because you own all the consoles, somehow that cleanses you from the fanboy label. It doesn't."

Why dont you tell that to the PS3 fanboys who use that as a way to make them seem neutral. Oh but let me guess insulting the 360 and praising the PS3 isnt being a fanboy is it

[Dark General]

It's like Thom said. The gaming media at large still doesn't want to admit "We were wrong about Killzone 2". If it's not the graphics then it's being skeptical of gameplay. I've been reading that the gameplay is solid so now it's down to the small things. Since it controls uniquely some people are harping on that. But like i said had it have controls like CoD4 it would be deemed a CoD4 clone with better graphics and a sci-fi twist.

I don't personally expect this game to be "revolutionary" or the next coming of the best fps evar. But i expect it to be a highly enjoyable game both in single player and online. To put it in the same breath as Haze is ludicrous. Haze never showed promise in my eyes. It looked like a horribly stupid grindhouse movie. Killzone 2 looks more like it could be a good summer action flick.

[Sitdown]

You said, "One tip to 1up. Let someone with some love for the PS3 review this game. Please."

So people get upset when somebody you deem as an xbox fanboy previews the game......but you are okay with a ps3 lover giving the preview.....so you move from one end of the spectrum to the other? How is that fair? They need someone to preview/review the game who likes/loves video games regardless of what system it is on......not a somebody with love for a console, but a love for games.

[r3xmund1]

The Beta (i played it until today) was nothing but amazing. Some issues which are acceptable in a BETA... but TBH a lot of ppl WANT this to fail... and frankly that saddens me.

I have both consoles and this is the finest FPS on a console (based on the BETA). An I played Halo 2 for 2 1/2 years solid!!!!!

Srsly peeps don't hate, appreciate

:)

[Dark General]

I completely agree sitdown. Giving the game to a person who's biased for the Ps3 is just as bad and could possibly "fluff" the review. The point is to be "objective" here. I didn't see any of the 1up previews pieces of previews as bad. Seeing only small things being said bad about it is a GOOD THING. Something that's purely preference like how the enemies look is something very small and easily overlooked.

Previews are supposed to be precursors for how the game is looking leading up to the review. Not anything more not anything less.

[RememberThe357]

I mean, virtually every body on this site dislikes you comments, yet you keep getting bubbles.

Multiple accounts?

[memots]

Again someone commenting about something he doesn't know di$# about.

I'm in the beta.. And here... your getting it from real source.

This beta only has 3 level and i completly stopped playing cod4/r2/halo3 when i got my beta key.
Yes its that good. This is the best shooter on any console.

Don't call me Fanboy i got ps3/360 and a gaming rig.
I'm just a gamer.

See what i did here guy? i actually commented on something i know about. Not just talking out of my A$$ like most people here.

[DiabloRising]

Again, there's a difference between constructive criticism and nitpicking. Both 1up and IGN seem to be doing the latter. If there are issues with the game, you know what, bring them up! But to go the route of LOOKING for something to dislike (I don't like the Helghast/The shotgun could sound beefier) is just pathetic.

You know what, I don't like the Locust of Gears 2... I better score the game lower because of my personal tastes instead of being an objective journalist? Please. Reading 1ups preview you could tell it was 3 backhanded fanboy compliments and one person who actually owned a PS3, instantly.

And since when are these guys game designers and developers anyways? I didn't see them calling out CoD4 or Halo 3 BEFORE release for issues like poor pacing, idiotic buddy AI, repetitive enemies, skittles colored enemies because they think they would look better dressed in gray, no bosses... shall I go on? They are calling out KZ2 on issues that have plagued EVERY MAJOR FPS released this gen. Why is it suddenly bad now? Oh right, because its Killzone, and it has to be bashed.

I expect KZ2 to be an amazing LOOKING game. How does it play? I expect it to be a solid shooter, I don't expect it to be some FPS revelation. Frankly, CoD4, Halo 3, none of the big shooters are revelations. They do what they do, they do it well, and its fun. To expect any more is silly, but I'm sure fanboys will lash out at it because it doesn't reinvent a wheel that doesn't need reinventing.

But really now, if you people don't see BIAS in the media, towards ANY console, then you are helpless, and they own you.

[boodybandit]

well said.

@Omega4
What's pathetic (as you started off with your first comment) is this so called journalist defending his initial remarks because it makes him look guilty of what he is being accused of in the first place. If he honestly believed what he wrote he wouldn't feel the need to defend it.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

dis is officially the most hated game of all time

[PotNoodle]

I can see all the reviewers marking it low just because they really didn't expect or want it to be good.

[ultimolu]

This game could get a -10 and I'll still buy it because it wowed me. I'm a female and I haven't played a lot of first person shooters in a while but this game won me over.

I'm incredibly excited and I'm preordering once I hear about a special edition package.

[theEnemy]

is just keep digging his own grave.

[arika]

he might reach the earths core at this rate. lol!

[PirateThom]

If he stood behind what he originally said, he wouldn't need to clarify anything.

[kwyjibo]

Have you read the story? He is sticking to what he said, he's just calling out those who misinterpreted it as retards.

It's really not that hard to grasp, it is however, stating the obvious.

[Ju]

He does. But the media are working for their customers not to convince gamers of their opinion. Not saying they should give in, primarily. But if there is a huge backlash, you need to evaluate what went wrong, rather then being defensive. These guys need to grow up and do just that.

[AngryHippo]

were'nt the comments they made regarding the single player? Correct me if i'm wrong but the Killzone 2 beta i was playing was Multiplayer from quite an old build. The single player that was recently previewed was of a near final build from the campaign, wasn't it?!

Constructive criticism is good as long as its justified, but i think with this particular title no criticism is aloud. I think its clear now that if anyone says anything remotely negative about this game, there will be an almighty uproar from the Sony faithful. I do however believe it will be a fantastic title, i am just reserving judgement until i have seen more of the single player, and seen the more varried environments, the 'innovative' gameplay that people keep saying. I am sick of being caught up in hype, and feel constantly underwhelmed, i prefer no hype and to be blown away when i play it. That is what i want to do with Killzone 2.

[SuperM]

as you said, criticism can be good as long as its justified. 1up havent been any good with the justification part though. Talking about how the helghast isnt a cool enemy because he prefers zombies and aliens(dont remember if it was in the preview or the 1up show). I mean are we going to grade down games, because there arent zombies and aliens in them? Way to destroy the gaming industry, then noone will make shooters with anyhing else then aliens or zombies anymore. And some dude saying that he didnt think Guerrilla was very good at making fun games, without any justification at all, which is kinda hillarious because its even fun watching this game, i cant even wait to actually get to play it.

The only guy that had actually played the entire game was the guy that was most positive about it. And what he said about the 4 last chapters gives me hope that this game will be to much for the slightly biased sources to downgrade.

But seriously though, if there is 1 game in the world that we know of that you would think people would like to pick on, what game would that be? The way i see it that game is KZ2, mainly because of the CG trailer, and how the media reacted when they found out it wasnt ingame. They really wanted this game to fail, and now they look stupid.

[candystop]

Why don't we just let the freaking game come out 1st before we start judging and trying to bring it down. So tired of the hate from both sides over games before they release. KZ2 is the coldest looking shooter ever and here we have everybody hating and bragging just to offend somebody.

[Kuhz]

Only PlayStation 3 offers developers the power and legroom needed to create unrivaled AAA titles. Our friends over at Guerrilla Games is one of many studios proving this to our competitors and PlayStation 3 consumers alike. Killzone 2 is set out to raise the bar for First Person Shooters in both gameplay and graphics that is only possible on PlayStation 3. It will be no surprise to us here at Sony Computer Entertainment when Killzone 2 wins many 2009 awards. Awards that include, Best Graphics, Best Gameplay, Best Shooter, and it all would not be complete without, Game of the Year.

February 27, 2009, the date PlayStation 3 consumers will embark on true next generation gaming as they invade the Helghan planet. We can't wait to get this game out to you all, and we look forward to you getting your hands on this fantastic game.

Only on PlayStation 3.

[Leg-End]

Is astounding me

[Microsoft_Spokesman]

Your trial in being knowledgeable and savvy is "Is astounding me".

[baraka007]

What's the point of even pointing out how silly these people are? They troll every site on the net... Anyone that has watched a video on youtube or comes on here to post often knows what I mean. They search for music they don't like just to tell people how they hate it. Just like on here with the fanboys searching out articles about games they hate just to trash them... It's a waste of time and life.

[arika]

why are you here then? i hope i don't see you're name here on n4g ever again, because if i do, i know that you are just eating you're own words. so don't let us see you again, don't waste you're time and you're life on some mere low life's like us or on any other blog. thanks for you're time.

[pp]

Before you Droids start talking sh*t out of your mouths wait until Microsoft reveals their 09 line up of games for 09 yeah Killzone 2 looks amazing but it's certainly not thee game of games because their are better looking games coming out in 09 even on the xbox360.Also don't expect Killzone 2 to shift consoles it's not Halo which is known to shift millions of console in sales.

[RonDeMuerte]

wow!! you just convinced me to get Halo because it sells a lot....amazing!!!!.....hahahah a!!! like I give a f@ck if a game sells or not!!...Killzone 2 could end up selling only ten copies and it would still be better and more impressive than all the Halos and Gears of War......and by the way...most of Microsoft's line up for 09 consists of exclusive downloadable content and casual games....rumor has it they're not doing much for hardcore gamers...haha!!

[Yoma]

I had to agree because of "Before you Droids start talking sh*t out of your mouths wait until Microsoft reveals their 09 line up of games for 09". I'll be waiting... and waiting...and waiting.. and waiting.. til they announce downloadable content

[SSCOOLCHEA]

thats what i said . as long as 32 people gets killzone 2 and go online with me I'm cool...right now the campaign mode is just a bonus for me. an from what I been hearing :) . the multiplayer will blow people mind.

[xbotpleasefixme]

PP YOU RACIST BASTARD MY MOTHER IS A DROID!!

[InMyOpinion]

Hey now! Don't call your own mother a wh0re!

[InMyOpinion]

A clarification on a comment made in the Killzone 2 preview:

PS3 fanboys are a bunch of whiny little b!tches who proofread articles and look for anything that sounds remotely negative, so they can say "this site is anti-PS3" instead of accepting the fact that not all people in the world are programmed to love anything Sony.

Even if Killzone 2 gets lame reviews and no one buys it you will think it's AAA material. Just like you have convinced yourselves that Resistance 2 is a bigger hit and a better game than Gears of War 2. Everything measurable fact proves the opposite(reviews/sales/online activity).

I wonder, if you are so convinced that Killzone 2 is the second coming of Christ, why do you take his words so seriously? Or are you upset because you know there is some truth to what he writes?

[xbotpleasefixme]

my mother is a wh0re and she's proud of it. so im proud of her for it too! nothing wrong with that :D

also I love how this forum turns into killzone vs gears in less than 15 minutes. the fact that the article is about fanboys b!tching makes it even funnier

[heyheyhey]

Gears > Resistance in online activity?

i'd check three things here:

1) the claim of this factor being measurable? by what standards?

2) everyone agree's Gears 2 is bordering on unplayable online in it's current state.. i doubt it's being played more than the much more comprehensive online Resistance 2

3) Live activity charts saw Gears 2 fall out of top spot after just a week.... ONE WEEK!!!!!

oh yeah and we both know 1up are biased d!cks who can't write anything objective unless Shane writes it... so no, nothing this guy writes would upset or dishearten me because i know it's BS, exaggeration, nitpick what have you...

EDIT: ok this is hyperbole now Jenzo... tons of anti_Sony articles get through to the main page, so obviously Sony fanboys aren't adulterating everything here- in fact, if you look in the failed article section... you'll find the content here disapproved legitimately for being duplicate, fake, spam etc

and it's just a few that get p!ssy and retaliate extensively... this again is hyperbole from you and that pr!ck Omega4..... i'm a devout PS3 fan.. but i have never written to 1up or Edge complaining... i just never read their publications because it's utter BS

EDIT2: denial? yeah, i forgot:

"#1 of Xbot defense logic... if you are clueless, claim the guy who owned you is in denial.... it's bound to work right?"

denial how exactly? Live activity charts are fact.... and they show Gears 2 losing the online top spot on Live after a week... care to dispute this with fact?.... you can't, because i'm using irrefutable evidence

it doesn't take more than glance and you can see hundreds of complaints about Gears 2's matchmaking and lag issues and how it puts them off playing...

you are CLEARLY the one in denial here buddy

[InMyOpinion]

At least I keep my whining in the open zone, I don't write angry letters to 1Up and Edge just because I can't comprehend what they write. Your whining is closer to facism and infringement of democracy.

It becomes obvious if you look at any article in the pending zone that contains negative news about Sony. It gets bombarded with reports until it fails approval.

@heyheyhey - Heavy denial I see. "just never read their publications because it's utter BS". Then how can you be so certain that I'm wrong?

"Live activity charts are fact.... and they show Gears 2 losing the online top spot on Live after a week... care to dispute this with fact?.... you can't, because i'm using irrefutable evidence"

Show me Gears of War 2's online activity compared to Resistance 2. That's what I was talking about, not Gears 2 compared to other 360 titles. It's common knowledge that PSN does not have as many active users as XBL.

Clueless? You haven't even read the article I'm discussing =) Even if Gears 2 has it's flaws I'm still sure that it has more online activity than Resistance 2. After all, more that twice as many people have bought it.

[PirateThom]

Sales and reviews, the last bastion of the ignorant.

If sales and reviews were an important factor, I'd own Halo 3, but since I don't like the game, I don't own it.

[InMyOpinion]

"Sales and reviews, the last bastion of the ignorant.

If sales and reviews were an important factor, I'd own Halo 3, but since I don't like the game, I don't own it."

So, if you buy the game it's good, but if 8+ million people buy it and you don't then it's not good?

I'd say reviews/sales/online activity is a more objective way of measuring than going by your personal opinion. Your opinion is no different than the 8+ million who decided Halo 3 was good enough to buy.

If not going by reviews/sales/online activity, what would you say is a more objective way of measuring if a game is good or not?

[PirateThom]

"I'd say reviews/sales/online activity is a more objective way of measuring than going by your personal opinion."

No, because I don't need people to tell me what I like.

[InMyOpinion]

"No, because I don't need people to tell me what I like."

If that was the case you wouldn't be in here commenting to begin with.

[ultimolu]

Get the f*ck off Thom's back Jenzo. At least he's not a fanbrat like you.

[morganfell]

I don't even know what Jenzo said since he is on ignore. Neither do I care. But it is more than obvious PirateThom just owned Jenzo's worthless ass with that commment:

"No, because I don't need people to tell me what I like."

Game, set , and match. Jenzo just had his ass branded and sold at auction. It just goes to show how Most Sony fans are able to think for themselves whereas Xbots are about programming, being told what is popular (not good, just popular), what they should like, and who is winning.

[Roukuko]

gears 2 online is unplayable half the time dont care what anyone says i play the game. Anyways 90% of reviewers just review single-player of games they dont care about online.

[Omega4]

Good for you Jenzo evevn when you were outnumbered you still managed to own them, especially Thom lol

[GWAVE]

It's sad that Jenzo gets so many replies. Don't you all know he's a troll? No human being can be THAT illogical.

[Software_Lover]

The internet and fanboys are killing gaming. I think, if there were no internet, I would still think that the gaming community was full of sane and smart individuals and the general public was misunderstanding us. But Im proven wrong everytime I click on firefox, LOL.

Some of the stuff I read is just mind boggling to say the least. But atleast its funny. Burn a few calories every time I laugh.

[beavis4play]

i think what you're saying is true, but it could be said about anything internet related. news and sports are being ruined in the same way. i've given up going on the fox sports forums. they're full of angry, psycho fans.

[xbotpleasefixme]

I can't see half the posts you guys are replying too :(

[Harry Pothead]

so 1up is playing suck up?

[paskowitz]

Granted we really can't say that he is wrong it is just his opinion. But the thing is he does wrong is not realize what kind of response his words garner. So why evenn say it like that? He could have just said, "Killzone 2 is a solid experience. It has good gameplay and beautiful graphics. While it does have a couple minor flaws that is nothing a couple of months of polish could not iron out. Killzone 2 is on the road to becoming a AAA shooter". If he had said that everyone would have been like, "Ok that game has some flaws". Instead of, "OMG 1up is going to give Killzone 2 a B if they do not fix the flaws". It is ok to have an opinion but it is not ok to just spew it out whenever you like. People need to be more aware of what they are saying.

[Black Maverick]

I believe people are pissed because of his comment: "It's a solid effort that 'could' garner a B." As if to say an effort of this magnitude could only deserve a B, which is about as ridiculous as ridiculous can be. It's not about people saying "bad" things about Killzone 2. It's that some people seem utterly incapable of judging this game on it's own merits. They either bring up Killzone 1(which is a solid game) or "lulz Haloz killerz!11!" and enough is enough.

To give some clarity: I own an Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, DSlite, and more recently a PSP. I'm not a fan of Halo 3 but I loved Gears of War. Halo 3, in my opinion, was a better game than Gears of War because it didn't have nearly as many technical problems or glitches as the latter. With that said, after playing in the Killzone 2 beta, I think Killzone 2 will be better than both of them just from the sheer amount of detail and graphical dominance it has over the competition and just the plain fun I had with the game. However, Halo 3 and Gears of War 1 got mostly 10s from the 1up community (EGM) and Killzone 2 by there standards "could garner a B". At the end of the day, people just want to be able to make an educated guess at what games they should buy. It's the reason reviews matter so much nowadays rather than in the past. They can't afford to buy every system or buy every game that comes out, so they just want the best their money can get them. I think reviewers should be mindful of this and not use a platform they've been given, to engage in ridiculous console war flame stoking as it seems.

This is why it's so hard to get developers to actually try anything new in their games or to innovate. If all their effort to make something worth playing just gives reason for people to whine about insignificant stuff, then what's the point. They might as well just make sequels and expansion pack cash-ins because either way they're going to get crapped on by "some" of the fanboy reviewers and gamers alike. This way they'll actually have something to whine about...No more LBP, Mirror's Edge, or Portals of the world. Every game released will be some variation of Madden, Pokemon, Halo, or Final Fantasy...Oh what fun!

[Valin]

He talking about the singleplayer and how there are glitches that stop you progressing through a level! And in it's un-polished state he still said it was worth a B.

Also please someone answer this question, How does his opinion affect you?

[ultimolu]

I wish people would stop with this opinion BS. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion but his nitpicking was unjustified. That's what people are getting at.

Did you even see the quote taken from his comments? Is he trying to imply that Sony/Guerrilla didn't work their asses off on the game or something?

[Itrguy001]

dam i dont care what this dude says. KZ2 could be taking the FPS crown from Halo and CoD4 when it come out Next Yr. i added in Halo because the Firt one was innovating but 2 was ok and 3 wasnt very fun to me so thats why i didnt add a 2 or 3 to the halo part.

[no-spin]

Thierry Nguyen went to the extreme in trying to find flaws in KZ2. To a certain point that is okay, since must reviewers think they are cooler when they criticize a great game for not being the second coming. My problem is that 1up does not seem to supervise that all their editor (or reviewers) are equally extreme in picking up flaws.

For example: Greg Ford reviewed Gears 2 and everything is addictive for him, all is great, awesome experience, great fun, etc. I have Gears 2 and i agree, the game is lots of fun in many ways. But where is the nip ticking? the environment is as dead as it gets. you dont move anything around you, is like everything is in concrete. There is no dynamic blood in your chainsaw, even after going through the middle of your enemy.

If KZ2 flaws are so great as to mention them as a main point in a preview, then by this standards Gears 2 would have received a very harsh review.

I believe KZ2 is better than what we have seen so far in the previews, and it will set the standard on the new front of next gen PS3 games*.

*i have to say next gen because until now all the developers have done with the PS3 is keeping it low at the level of the Xbox 360. Dont believe me and want prove? go play Uncharted, Gran Turismo 5, Ratchet and Clank, MGS4, or even Ninja Gaiden Sigma and then post back your disagree. By the way i think both systems are lots of fun.

[Valin]

Quote: No-spin, "Thierry Nguyen went to the extreme in trying to find flaws in KZ2."

Quote: Thierry Nguyen, "Some annoying glitches (some scripted sequences necessary for mission progress didn't happen due to the friendly A.I. failing to trigger said sequences)"

He marked it down because he couldn't finish some level's due to glitches. In future read the F**king article!

[ultimolu]

And yet other sites made not one mention of glitches.

In other words, he was trying to hard to nitpick the game! And of course there will be a few issues! It's a freakin 'beta'! The game isn't even done yet and he's handing out B's?

[no-spin]

what an immature question,and what is up with the swearing??? your point not good enough that you need to call the attention by dropping f bombs????

A preview code should not be criticize as a finished game. An even the preview code of KZ2 deserves a lot of credit, not someone scrapping for defects.

Learn some manners when writing in public, the swearing just makes your comments look empty.

[Ju]

If you get a luxury and get your hands on the preview code and find something like that, the only thing on your list of things to do, is call Guerilla and tell them about the problem to get it fixed. Not go on in public "if they don't fix this, I could give it a 'B'". Stupidest thing you could do. At least if you want to have a career in this field at some point.

[DevilsJoker]

Insult them and call them stupid.

This guy needs to learn social skills, and maybe some editorial skills while hes at it.

[ThisPlaceSucksBye]

Seriously, the world would be so much better without fanboys.
Why someone would go to these lengths to defend a company that cares nothing about them I will never know.

Me? I am super happy with my 360.I love Gears 2 (which is fantastic and even better than the awesome Gears 1), Far Cry 2, Crackdown, etc.
And I will be even happier next Boxing Day when I get my Ps3 and get Uncharted, MGS4, Motorstorm 2, Valkyrie Profile, SF4 and a few choice Ps2 games. And yeah, I will be getting Killzone 2 which looks flippin' fantastic (and like Gears 2, made by a developer smart enough to include bots offline AND online) and better than anything the 3rd Halo had to offer (Yeah, Halo 1 was great, but let's face it...2 and 3 are huge disappointments and overrated as anything out there). Plus,I finally get my bluray player to enjoy The Dark Knight :D

[Ju]

Talking about fanboys. Owning a 360 only, so you say, I'd ask what is your interest in KZ2 then ?

I can't hear this "fanboys are this", "fanboys are that". So what ? Everybody is a fanboy of some kind. That's why thousands of people go what a football or soccer game (depending on the area, that might be the same:).

[SRuN4]

This is coming from the guy who said on the 1UP show "I have yet to run across any bosses in Killzone 2 but I like the bosses in Resistance 2 better." This guy is a complete hack. He talks out of his ass when it comes to every game he touches.

When every other site out there sang the praises of Killzone 2, the complaints of those at 1UP included the cover system being a gimmick (aren't they all then?), the game was too realistic therefore it can't be enjoyed, they didn't understand why the Helghast have red eyes and then they didnt like fighting the Helghast (but clearly love shooting muppets all day in Halo and killing the same exact terrorists over and over again on COD4 until you finally get to the spawn closet to stop them). They're opinions on Killzone have always been biased from the beginning, look anything they've ever done on Killzone, they're just afraid to eat crow.

[tk]

Every negative hint was disproved. The game exceeded the target render, the gameplay held up. The people in the first reviews confirmed what the game is like. And then a whole bunch of people started wondering out loud and prediting that 1Up and the group of PS3 haters would come up with some strange way of hating on it. The anticipation grew as people waited for 1Up's preview - and as it hit the net - it confirmed absolutely what everyone hinted at. Contradicting statements just to find something to hint at the already-decided low score they will give it. Of course the net exploded with comments on what a bunch of clowns they are. They should have expectec that they were being watched closely on this one.

Trying to explain their idiotic attempt just makes it worse. Same as previous sites who did the same. They just decided to pick the wrong game and the most absurd excuses for hinting at what will be a 7-8 B Score.

[tk]

Might be time for a comparitive analysis of reviews when they are done with the KZ2 scoring. It is about time that the reviewers get their opinions shoved up their @sses.

1Up should have expected a backlash when they stepped into this one - and a mere "clarification" to justify himself is just not going to cut it. 1Up got caught red-handed. And this time it is going to cost them big.

[GWAVE]

You know, this whole situation is pathetic. This is PREVIEW CODE (i.e. unfinished code) that we're dealing with here, and yet sites like 1up will play it and bash it just to get hits. C'mon, kids. If you think 1up is fair and balanced when it comes to video game news, you must be new to the internet. This is the same site that gave an A- to Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts. This is the same site that gave an A- to Wii Music. Their credibility is nil. Just because a guy SAYS that he isn't biased doesn't make it true. I'm surprised people need this to be explained.

[DJ]

And probably one of the most loved games of all time. The only difference is that the haters will be journalists and the admirers will be the gamers.

Never have I seen so many biased journalists (if you can even call them that) band together to cry foul against a single title. Many are even risking the reputations of their respective sites in order to negatively warp our perceptions of Killzone 2, as seen with the recent IGN AU article that talks strictly about "The Problems of Killzone" and the 1UP video that let its staff members brush off Killzone 2 as "generic", "nothing special", "pretty, but not fun", etc.

We look towards game sites for accurate reviews, but it's becoming increasingly harder because they swear they're game designers and know so much better than the developers themselves. If they're so concerned about say "The amount of dust flying around in Level X", why not ask the developers directly instead of griping to us? We can't fix the game; that's strictly in the developer's hands.

With the advent of downloadable demos, I suspect there's very little reason for us to keep returning to game sites for other people's opinions, opinions that quite frankly tend to be skewed with apparent bias. Why PS3 gets the brunt of this hatred is beyond me, but it may have to do with the huge 'gift packages' that Microsoft sends out whenever a major 360 title is released. I would have loved to be a journalist when Halo 3 came out. I would've received the signature Survival Pack, complete with a 360 Elite, three controllers, and numerous accessories.

That's a lot of sh*t I could sell to my buddies.

[Valin]

Ultimolu: "And yet other sites made not one mention of glitches." But he does..... So are you calling him a liar? Or perhaps his build was faulty. It all depends on the circumstances.

No-Spin: "what an immature question,and what is up with the swearing??? your point not good enough that you need to call the attention by dropping f bombs????"

Pardon the 'F-bomb' as you put it. But frankly it's quite hard to get frustration across on the internet, don't you think? And I made a valid point which you wouldn't respond to. How is not being able to finish a level due to a glitch nit-picking? Let's say you got to level 4 of Killzone 2 and a door that progressed your game wouldn't open, would you still sing the games praises?

Devil's Joker: " How to make sure people stop hating you:

Insult them and call them stupid.

This guy needs to learn social skills, and maybe some editorial skills while hes at it."

No insult was made I merely questioned his state of mind while typing his comment. I didn't even attempt to insult his intelligence, I'm sure he's a bright guy, I also asked did he read the article before posting or did he just read the blurb on N4G.

As for my editorial skills, when trying to insult someone for poor posting try and get your grammar right.

[no-spin]

the level that he couldnt finish is on a Preview Code. The point of preview codes is to fix glitches, and for him to criticize the preview code on a public site is very inappropriate and seems bias. The fact that he threatens to give the game a B based on a Preview code glitch is also signs of a biased mindset towards the game that is shaping up to be the as Great as promised.

[Ju]

In a professional world saying something like this without consulting the manufacturer could end your career. Simple put. Especially with this game, because people are just waiting for things like this to happen.

[Sitdown]

I am not saying that he is right or wrong with going public about the preview code, but I do have to ask....What do you say about SOCOM? We know how the Beta had its problems....and then what did we see for the first couple of days to week after its release? I am sure companies are aware of what happens when you give preview builds...so lets not get upset that an individual gave their assessment.......whether or not if it was a fair one or not.

@Wile
I agree.

[no-spin]

@ Sitdown

I have not touched Socom, so i dont know what is going on with it.

[ultimolu]

If every other site had praise for this game and never mentioned any glitches, then yes I am calling him a liar.

[Wile]

It's amazing to me that it has come to this. The press and editors unwilling to express their opinions in fear of fanboy retribution. I think this is the basis of ALL over hyped games.

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

I could of sworn this is the same game that goes by Tila Tiquila Nguyen!!(cough queer)=D
ANd as for reviews, this guys review has as much weight as a loser piece of crap selling Karaoke cd's and PS2 games in chinatown.
Take your ass back to college and get a education and stop trying to be a critic Tila Taquila Thiery the queery Nugyen.!Flippin Asian Napolean Dynamite..Model Minority typical stereo type freak.
Wasn't that you on Beauty and geek last season crying your ass off.

[Wile]

I rest my case.

[xaviertooth]

1up = Microsoft Defense Force in disguise

[Figboy]

where so many publications had to "clarify" their stances on things.

maybe if they weren't so god damned bias in the first place, they wouldn't need to save face.

there is no doubt in my mind that the gaming industry as a whole is judging PS3 games on a curve compared to the competition.

the Wii gets a pass on EVERYTHING because it's Nintendo, and the Wii tech "can't" do uber stuff like fancy physics and visuals (well, why NOT? it's not like the technology isn't available. my PC video card from THREE YEARS ago produces visuals better than the Wii).

the 360 gets a pass on EVERYTHING because of Gears of War. that's it. that game caused the entire gaming media to breathe a sigh of relief after a YEAR of so-so, Xbox 1.5 versions of games like King Kong and Perfect Dark (which BOTH got A's from 1up, by the way).

and yet, if a Playstation 3 game doesn't revolutionize the genre in ways never before seen, or live up to the hype of the Playstation 3, or justify the cost of the console, it gets graded DOWN, nevermind if it's a good game or not.

as a result, you have places like 1up and other publications "justifying" their opinions with followup articles.

there's truly a difference between offering objective criticism ("we think the controls could be tighter,"), and just nitpicking ("i don't like the character's hair! 8/10!"). reviewers have LOST this ability since this generation has began.

games that don't deserve it have been given scores too high (Dark Sector, Flatout, Perfect Dark, King Kong, GTAIV etc), while games that deserve higher scores have gotten LOW scores (Folklore, Heavenly Sword, Resistance 2), mostly games leaning on the PS3 side.

reviewers are so quick to tear apart good but flawed games like Heavenly Sword and Folklore, but COMPLETELY give good, but flawed games like Fable 2 a pass (i OWN Fable 2, and i DO like it, but there's no mention of the terrible texture quality, the framerate issues, the fact that if you aren't standing in the PERFECT spot, at the perfect angle, the interact prompts don't appear, meaning you can't open chests, or vault off ledges, they don't even pick it apart for it's 10 hour game length, and it's supposed to be an RPG! they also don't pick apart the sluggish controls and weak animations). they rip on a game like SOCOM for having server errors that finally got worked out 2 weeks after release, but completely give Gears of War 2, and it's 15 minute waits and broken matchmaking a pass and some of those issues are STILL there (except for the 15 minute waits; the matching making errors still persist; they'll be fixed, i'm sure, like ALL online games. didn't stop it from scoring perfect scores, though did it?).

it's the inconsistency and double standards rampaging across the industry is why so many gamers get up an arms over things like the 1up preview of Killzone 2.

all us gamers are asking for is if they are judging a game harshly on one set of standards, DON'T ignore those standards when judging ANOTHER game, just because you like that game more for whatever reason (like the complete looking the other way at Gears and Gears 2's flaws, while magnifying flaws in games like Resistance or Resistance 2, or simply SEARCHING for reasons to not like it).

EVERY game could be better. EVERY game could improve in some way, shape, or form. you aren't going to be 100% happy with a game, but as the gaming press, it's our opportunity to rationally evaluate what the REAL important issues of a game are, and express when a game is executing those issues correctly or incorrectly.

and do this FAIRLY across ALL games.

if a slight dip in framerate when a lot of action is on screen in Heavenly Sword warrants it to be taken down a point or two, then the SAME should be done for Fable 2, or Ninja Gaiden 2 when the framerate happens.

if SOCOM is being taken down a few points because of server issues and long waits to join matches, then Gears 2 should have the same taken away.

STOP PLAYING FAVORITES, gaming media! you're doing a disservice to the industry when you do, and then you look like fools when you get caught up in your OWN fanboyism or bias, or double standards, like this guy from 1up. and even though he is his own person, when he speaks, ON 1up.com, he is representing the company, and people will take his view as 1up's view as a whole, even though that's an absurd assumption to make. doesn't change reality though.

[blackpanther25]

if i was a chick i would kiss you lol. i am happy to see i am not the only who is pissed that perfect dark and GTA IV got good scores especially when San Andreas was better. bubbles for you

[Figboy]

thanks!

i'm just really fed up with the gaming media this generation.

it's like they all collectively decided that they didn't want Sony to win a THIRD generation in a row, since it has never been done before, not even by the mighty Nintendo, and they are doing everything within their power to stop it.

i think the Wii, 360, and PS3 ALL have a place in this modern gaming age, and if the PS3 "wins' again, so F*CKING WHAT! what does that even MEAN? as a gamer, all i care about is the games, and the quality of those games. it doesn't matter what console they are on. i can enjoy a Zack and Wiki, Fable 2, and Resistance 2, because they are good games. great games, even.

i don't want companies like EA and Activision to run rampant with their mediocre shovelware.

i WANT more devs like Bungie, Lionhead, Insomniac, Naughty Dog, etc, etc, to do what they do best, without fear of having their titles picked to shreds because of some fanboy agenda from the media whose job is supposed to be reporting on their titles OBJECTIVELY.

[divideby0]

hands down the best looking shooter on any console BASED upon the vids I have seen and the games I have played.

This game will not revolutionize FPS, since I dont see how any new FPS can do that, but it will raise the bar for graphics and animations.
GOW2 is a great looking game, but from what I see on my TV and the vids I see of KZ, no where as pretty or as fluid

[Pixel_Addict]

360 or PS3 owner, if you depend on reasonable and unbias reviews do not go to 1up.com

I stopped visiting 1up.com after they gave God of War 2 a high number score then in the written review they bashed it, complaining that the game was just the same-old-same-old. Well that review was taken down eventually and replaced. Also there was a time were they were at a press conference and while there they were mocking Sony's presentation. It was soon after that I became fed up and I had not been back ever since.. that is until now, which only proves to me 1up.com has bias against PS3.

Edit: and there is a difference between favoring something and being bias. I believe game sites like Gamepro may favor the PS3, but unlike a bias site, they do not bash the 360 in the process. A bias site makes an effort, conscience or not, to undermine a brand/platform by down playing news (previews etc), focusing criticism on one side more than the other, and so on. 1up's staff has continued to display their bias against Sony's machine time and time again. Of coarse that is their choice and not everyone can be a saint, but to deny it only makes it worse.

[tonywood]

If there is nothing to comment about...why do it? Nothing wrong with stating your opinion...just stand by it! I don't care what anyone thinks....people should by and play what they want. 1up has no street cred, who care what a bunch of people say about games. It's obvious that they were hatin...because Gears has glitches..EVEN in it's completed state.

[The Desperado]

So yes, the 1UP guy is a f*cking c*nt and deserves to die.
His biased @ss has no place in "journalism."

[Mr Marbles]

people are some sick individuals, seriously.

Sad thing is, this is why most journalists are afraid to say anything negative about the PS3, the backlash is so severe.

I hope this game is a huge flop, just because so much scum is in support of it.

[blackpanther25]

that made laugh. i give u bubble so i read more of your funny posts

[DMasta718]

You know whats sad Marbles?

Wanting a game to fail because of people who are not the majority.

[tonywood]

Man, I have problems with people and their statements, but don't you think you stepped a little over the line?

The guy from 1up may show some bias, however....your reaction (And choice of words) was a lot worse. However, I see where you were going and I 2nd it. 1up are a bunch of haters...and we all know it. Don't lower yourself to that level, ps3 will soon restore order in the galaxy. People are always afraid of what they don't understand, and the ps3 is starting to show why it is the best system (As far as hardware is concerned) on the market. The 1up crew were scared of the K2 footage, seeing that it is not a re-hash or 1.5 type of game. Lately, people have accepted mediocre games and faulty systems...so K2 is a somewhat of a system shock.

[The Desperado]

He definitely deserves to be @ssraped.

He's a piece of lowlife sh!t and I hope 1Up fails, all its writers lose their jobs and end up having to live on the streets because of their crappy controversy. I've had it up to HERE with their fanboyism.

[LinuxGuru]

LoL @ Omega, thinking that those pictures actually prove he has a PS3...

lolololol

What's your PSN ID FOOL

[ButterToast]

fanboys need to get a hold of themselves, hes gave an old build of the game a "B" which, aside from being impressive, means that it could easily turn into an "A." Also not everything needs to get an "A" or 10/10 to be good. There is this thing called subjectivity maybe these fanboys should look it up.