Horizon Forbidden West Comparison Shows a Massive Upgrade To First Game Especially Water

Horizon Zero Dawn was one of the best-looking games of the last generation and Guerrilla Games appears to have topped it with Horizon Forbidden West.

[RaidenBlack]

Simulated 60fps at 3:00

[darthv72]

Honestly, while I have been spoiled on 60 as of late... im not going to knock 30. Good games are good games no matter their res/fps.

[RaidenBlack]

Nobody's knocking 30.
The above video contains a Simulated 60fps to showcase an idea of a performance mode for horizon II.
Similar to Miles Morales. That's what I pointed out. People here are just .......

[anast]

I'm not touching this until they get running at 160fps...

[Activemessiah]

Not even the PS6 is gonna run that

[RaidenBlack]

Wait, why am i getting downvoted?
The video indeed shows Simulated 60fps of Horizon II. To simulate the optional Performance mode it's bound to have ...
geez

[SinisterKieran]

why are you telling people? it says right in the video, people aren't going to miss it.

[Ddog45]

because you're in a sony comment section and that's what they like to do.

[anast]

I didn't downvote you, if that helps. I just think this stuff is comical.

[RazzerRedux]

Thanks, RaidenBlack

[Mr_cheese]

Im going to take a guess that the downvotes are based on you being the top comment which is largely glossing over the positive topic in hand and instead focusing on an issue you see with fps

[CaptainHenry916]

What's funny and mind-boggling is that this game looks a lot better than some of my current PC games and I'm running a rtx 3080 with a Ryzen 5950x 🤔 I guess it really does come down to the developer's. Even digital foundry was shocked how this game looked. It must be the decima engine because this is a cross gen game

https://youtu.be/wNzOBzuRk_...

[Computersaysno]

Trade off for 30FPS with some obvious lighting limitations on the characters as DF pointed out repeatedly. Metro Exodus Enhanced for PC though comfortably outstrips anything in terms of lighting. Major ray traced lighting engine, beyond any game seen on consoles thus far. It's a 100FPS game on a 3080 too thanks to DLSS. Even a mere RTX3060 does 60FPS.

It's unlikely the consoles will be able to match that even in future because of the limited ray tracing performance, at a much reduced resolution most likely. Their versions will no doubt be analysed in a couple weeks when they launch.

[Robodrake]

"Trade off for 30FPS"

- How many times does this need to be said to people that are having chests pains dealing with this game. For the last time, get it right, there will be a 60fps mode. Can we all stop being stupid for a second please?

[CaptainHenry916]

@Computersaysno

"Trade off for 30FPS with some obvious lighting limitations on the characters as DF pointed out repeatedly"

If there's a 60fps mode during launch then what will be the trade off? I'm starting to think it's more about the developer's and who makes the game that is important. A 30fps game shouldn't look better than high end PCs game that can run all games in 60fps-120fps unless I'm blind. Dude I'm going by what my eyes 👀 see and Horizon Forbidden West is definitely a looker and something special. I would love to play this on PC if I could

[Computersaysno]

If there is a 60FPS mode then it'll obviously give up a lot of resolution, a lot of quality settings or a fair bit of both. So let's say you clean halve the resolution to get 60FPS. That's a trade off. Only dim witted people Robodrake think the game can look the same when the same hardware has half the time to render a frame.

There is no free win when it comes to console performance.

There is a reason why they showed the 30FPS 'quality' mode, because that'll be the best the game can look in terms of visual fidelity for a showcase. Any 60FPS mode will compromise on the fidelity side to achieve that. I'm sure the game would still look great but it won't look as good as it does in 30FPS mode. Inevitable!

I'm spewing straight facts here whether you like to hear it or not, get over it.....

[CaptainHenry916]

@Computersaysno

"There is no free win when it comes to console performance"

I have to agree with you on that and that's the reason I would like to play it on PC. Probably going to have to wait 2 or 4 years for that

[Nyxus]

One of the things that impressed me is Aloy's hair, especially in the underwater segment.

[Bathyj]

The underwater hair is amazing. People are sleeping on this.

[darthv72]

I wonder if they will introduce some sort of weight mechanic to the DS when entering / exiting water? Like in life, you feel lighter moving in water (less resistance) and when getting out, all that gear and clothing being wet, it would feel heavier until you dry off.

That could be an interesting use of the controller.

[KillBill]

It was the underwater talking that had me confused. Then I thought... well maybe she was just thinking in her head and not actually talking while under water. But then she started grunting during physical movements under water and I thought... ok she is grunting in her head too?

[Tacoboto]

I definitely noticed it. The way the light hit it, the bounce when she moves, the way it didn't seem to clip into her weapon.

[gleepot]

Sure clips into her body though.

[Tacoboto]

The blades of grass certainly did (especially before the assassination move), but I didn't spot the hair clippage.

Guess I'll just have to watch it again, oh darn

[Rainbowcookie]

I felt some aspects were still not done. Lots of clipping of Aloys hair and clothes, foilage also doesnt seem to work properly at all times. They could just use the same technique they used for the sand as the tremortusk attacked. Some of the destruction also just looked like piles of rocks... This felt like a very work in progress build. Hopefully its just a lack of final polish rather than ps4 holding them back. The final lighting was rather impressive. I do agree the underwater scenes looked the most polished.

[porkChop]

It looks incredible. Imagine the games and visuals we'll get later in the gen. We're in for a treat.

[gamer7804]

Her face is messed up though, her eyebrows aren’t consistently angled correctly and they widened her face and cheekbones it looks like she just sat around and didn’t do anything for years which can’t be the case in the environment she lives in.

[roadkillers]

Gross, she has freckles now. Why do you have to change the character Insomia... Guerrilla.

[lucian229]

Most redheads have freckles, it's part of the mutation; only thing I'm not a fan of in new design is her rounder face; still pretty and more realistic I guess, but yeaaah

[ExPresident]

Legend has it each freckle represents a soul a redhead has stolen.

[anast]

Yeah, I wonder why they decided to put massive jowls on her?

[FanboysKiller]

Piggy round.

[B68W]

Yeah, I noticed the rounder face as well. She already had a great established look, they didn't need to mess with that. No, she's not "realistically pretty" now, just puffier.

[frostypants]

@GlaciusZero it's not like male video game protagonists aren't GQ-looking guys. Yet people would definitely say something if they made, say, another Uncharted where Nathan Drake put on a few pounds. It's ok for fictional characters to look idealized. It's part of escapism. That said I don't think she looks all that different in the footage...I think it's just an awkward screenshot.

[AnnaDea]

She has freckles in Zero Dawn too.

[GamingSinceForever]

Gross? That’s cruel.

[justadelusion]

her rounder face is whats cruel, gotta lay off the snacks

[AnotherGamer]

Hey dude, come on.

[Obscure_Observer]

Gross is your comment

[Atticus_finch]

Smh.

[swifty1]

What a stupid comment

[F0XH0UND922]

You are the epitome of incel. That's actually gross.

[Robodrake]

"Gross, she has freckles now."- and you have chest pain

[TheGoodestBoi]

🤣🤣

[ScootaKuH]

Gross? What's wrong with freckles?

[darksky]

The real life actress for Aloy (Hannah hoekstra) still looks like the original Aloy so why did they devs make her look worse in the new game? Looks like she has been over-eating since the last game.

[AmUnRa]

Dude whats wrong with you? freckles are gross? I have heard a lot of bullshit in my life but this tops it all...

[Consistus]

Idiot! Those aren't freckles.
They're the rusty endings of her steel nerves!

[gamer7804]

Freckles are fine but yah her face was done poorly and doesn’t look right.

[Shiore2u]

She looks like Nikocado Avocado now.

[Nasty_Neeeks]

Jesus, Mary and Joseph!!! That’s it I’m calling corporate and Nancy will hear about this!!!

[justadelusion]

bruh

[Suave_Langosta]

I really wish I had not read that 😂

[CaptainHenry916]

Looks good https://youtu.be/PLbXUENNZJ...

[Duke19]

The game looks gorgeous. Even IF its proven to not be running at native 4k, WHO THE HELL CARES.

Peoples fascination with mundane tech specs nowadays need to get a better hobby. Give me a gorgeous 1080p game over a bland 8k game anyday

[waverider]

You uinderstand that at this stage, with the quality of the gameplay trailer, nobody is talking about rez. if this was unable to run even at 1080 in 2021 and calling it next gen..., well that would be ridiculous. Here, gamers are talking if this is right now the number one game on graphics. That simple. Dude, have even played Returnal? There no donwplay here. No matter how much spin you try. Really. Again, anybody that played Returnal does even think about rez. Rez was for generation the biggest jump from one to another. 480p to 720p, to 1080p and now to 4k, but with the new tech, many studio wont waste power for 4k, because gamers dont even know. The rez is already so high....

[Duke19]

I whole heartedly disagree. Returnal being a good recent example - its a 1080p game but still looks awesome.

I dont get why people want to trash things as "not next gen" based on a number, when so much more goes into "pretty graphics"

[StoneyYoshi]

"You understand that at this stage, with the quality of the gameplay trailer, nobody is talking about rez."

Thats because they have no confirmation or rumor of what rez its at to go by. Nobody bashed Returnal for the resolution until they learned that it was upscaled 1080p even though it still looks fantastic. Same with R&C where nobody really bashed that game until rumors started going around that the performance mode is 1080p/60 thanks to ReviewTechUsa.

Idk why Duke even brought it up though since nobody started talking about it until he said something.

[waverider]

StoneyYosh... Ratcht run at 1080P? because Review usa told? well, if does its using the new tech from AMD, because it got just the most amazing graphics of this gen on a platform game... The detail of fur of Clank!! Jesus. Again, anybody playing that game wont be thinking about rez. The game seem a pixar movie in motion. he did to try and downplay the game...

[StoneyYoshi]

Waverider... Yeah ReviewTechUsa posted a video last week talking about how the performance mode might be 1080p and he went on a rant about it when his source was based off of an article from August of last year when in the article they stated that there would be a performance mode with a lower resolution than 4k but no confirmation about what specific rez and he jumped straight onto the 1080p train for some reason. Probably due to the fact that Returnal is upscaled 1080p. He pulled the video and made an apology but fools will still run with it regardless of the apology and removal of the video. Since that video came out, ive seen tons of people in youtube comments and streams recently saying how these upcoming games will be 1080p/60. It's quite sad lol.

"Again, anybody playing that game wont be thinking about rez."

Exactly, the people who wanna enjoy the game wont care because it looks great regardless. Anybody that does hasnt played the game or even cares to play it.

[CaptainHenry916]

Last time I checked the game isn't out yet or have a release date. They have plenty of time to optimize the resolution and fps.

[Giblet_Head]

Nothing has been said and you're already coping over resolution. Lmao.

[Duke19]

Did you watch the video? It dedicates a section to resolution and says "4k cant be verified due to video compression" - my only point was 'when it looks that good, I dont even care what the end number is'

[ufo8mycat]

Funny how now that we are talking about a Sony exclusive, suddenly resolution and framerate dont matter, but when it is a PS5 multiplatform game that has slightly better framerate or resolution than the Series X version, it matters…

[Duke19]

My personal post was attacking both Sony and MS fanboys - I think targeting games for not hitting (stupid) preconceived notions about framerate or native res is just comical.

We should just celebrate good games for what they are on ANY platform - but the current state of gaming is to rip apart every mundane technical spec (such as these videos on this post) rather than just acknowledging its a pretty damn game

[IRetrouk]

Just need a release date...day 1 clearly lol

[glenn1979]

You know what after seeing this game with no ray tracing I wonder if ray tracing is a must if games in general maybe some games will benefit from it, but horizon doesnt need it in mine opinion it looks amazing as it is right now

[StoneyYoshi]

Just because there were no signs of ray traced reflections doesn't necessarily mean the game doesn't use ray tracing elsewhere. They could be using ray traced shadows or ray traced GI instead.

[glenn1979]

Aha you have a point there buddy

[kayoss]

this is not the final product. Things can change.

[Atticus_finch]

It wouldn't surprise me if they are using some form of RT like shadows and few reflections.

[Hellcat2020]

We need Kojimas new game using this engine again for ps5

[Atticus_finch]

Kojima and guerilla games working with and improving the same game engine is a dream team.

[CrimsonWing69]

I can’t wait to see a Horizon game that’s strictly made for next-gen and not cross-gen if it looks this good.

[Muigi]

I honestly can’t imagine what God of War looks like if this and Ratchet are already this impressive!

[Thundercat77]

Very impressive. I love how her hair looks.

[kayoss]

I forgot how impressive the first game was until i've watched this. I honestly forgot that we could swim in the first game.

[foker]

Skin shaders are perfect,.. looks real This half soft human skin inperfection thing is the best I've ever seen,.. Animation is also getting closer to tluo2,.. (still far behind ,.. like everything is going to be till next next gen,.. or next Naughty dog game,.. but it is very different game conceptually,.. I love character movement and freedom HDZ gives,.. It is just damn fun (this exaggerated reality thing),.. You know they are onto something good when traversal itself is satisfying,.. This guy has a good analysis about animation,.. It is damn fun to watch how even jumping roiling and sliding is slightly exaggerated to make it feel great,.. Game feel is a thing though,.. but yes in terms of realism Tlou2 will stay a benchmark for a long long time. https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[annoyedgamer]

Why does her face look like that

[RaveTears]

Probably she was eating more and gain some weight or stop being active for awhile between the first game and the sequel.

[annoyedgamer]

Is that what happened to the ladies in mass effect abdromeda also?

[justadelusion]

looks like she been enjoying a diet of donuts as of late

[anast]

Why does her face look like that in the new game? How many years have passed?

[Muigi]

6 months between this and the first game.

[Hellcat2020]

And about 20lbs

[anast]

What happened? Did she stop hunting and climbing mountains?

[Atticus_finch]

I'm glad we have Sony pushing next gen. Can you imagine how lame it would be without PS5 and all it's exclusives.

[ufo8mycat]

Forbidden West is not a PS5 exclusive

[Atticus_finch]

I didn't say it was.

[gamer7804]

Yah couldn’t get faces this chubby without a ps5…

[JokerBoy129]

Why did they give Aloy chubby cheeks tho?

[Hellcat2020]

A little weight was gained during quarantine but that's easy to lose if you're Aloy

[gamer7804]

Inexperienced designers trying to age her but widened her face and changed her eyebrow height and angles…. Fail.

[Atticus_finch]

Lame o thinking his opinion is relevant.

[spirited]

thanks to pandemic lol

[JayRyu]

Aloy is getting THICC!
Lol!

[kayoss]

I hope they bring back some of the old Robots from the first game but allow us to ride them. I really really want to ride a thunderJaw so that i can take out that Tremortusk.

[KeyAppearance]

The lighting looks phenomenal honestly, how it softly bounces on the edges of her hair is brilliant!

[FanboysKiller]

I remember 20 years ago I thinked about how the ps5 games gonna look like and here they are , Fascinating !!!

[CantThinkOfAUsername]

Everything is stunning except the tall grass that isn't so tall. I hoped they'd change this, but it seems not. Her head is visible, yet machines and people are acting blind. It's such a minor and trivial thing to complain about but it bugs me so much (breaks my immersion even). /rant over

[Bruh]

The game's biggest improvement seems to be in the lighting and water simulation, especially the indirect lighting which seems like it got a massive upgrade. Sucks that its coming to the PS4 too, woulda loved to see it just being made with the PS5 in mind

[SDuck]

The gameplay trailer looks so good I thought it was a tech demo not representative of the final product until I convinced myself this is the future of gaming!

[YourMommySpoils]

Meanwhile, has xbox shown off its clouds yet?

[Orchard]

And I thought I'd put on a lot of weight during COVID...

[XxINFERNUSxX]

Will be an even bigger upgrade if and when Forbidden West comes to PC. Previous one with a ray tracing mod using reshade: https://www.youtube.com/wat... They can really take it to the next level with PC if the devs really wanted to instead of leaving it up mods.

[neomahi]

Yeah, but youre kinda comparing Apples to Oranges. You need a PS4 to Ps4 or PS4 Pro vs PS4 Pro to compare that way, which you can do where the gaming is coming out on both PS4 and PS5.

[NotanotherReboot]

This next gen Fat Princess reboot looking lit

[Orchard]

You cracked me up good with this one.

p.s. We do need a reboot of Fat Princess!

[MightyHealthy]

Looks like there's no food shortage in that world, alloy put on about 15lbs

[BioShockGX]

She got fat

[Babadook7]

For the thumbnail, they took the least impressive pic from Forbidden West vs a very good one from Zero Dawn. The last part of the new trailer has a very impressive shot of Alloy looking at the storm.

[Om4ever]

Aloy's face is looking a lot better on zero dawn... No ? Not the hairs but the face

[Shinox]

Too woke for my taste , its like Sony despise a women having a pretty face in a game and uglify the characters to make the fat / ugly wokes to feel better about themselves i mean what's wrong with having a pretty strong female leading protagonist , fuck these idiots and who support them .. they are the reason why we don't have nice things in gaming , she literally look like she got stung by a bee .. ugh

[ScootaKuH]

Are you OK?

[AmUnRa]

Go and see a shrink, ore are you astroturfing to find something negative?
Nahh you have a problem, seek help.

[ScootaKuH]

Although I thought it looked graphically excellent I thought something looked kind of...off about the character models. Not sure what it was, but they just didn't look right.

[GameZenith]

She got uglier.

[Shinox]

When a gaming character look like Amy Schumer you need to worry about the state of gaming and fast

[Aussiesummer]

"All the vegetation reacts to alloys passing" um no it doesnt.
I dare say there is far more work to be done and will look different at launch.

[Atomicjuicer]

Same thing they did with Lara. Gradually uglified. For me its the difference between day one and getting it on sale.

[Atticus_finch]

Do you listen to your self. How is pixelated Lara better looking than current Lara. That makes no sense.
Let me guess "her boobs aren't melon sized anymore" she's not your GF it's a video game character.

[Atomicjuicer]

I dont like big boobs - they made her face ugly. She also has to wear these huge bearskins for half the game (they even disable other costumes you bought). Compare her face from tomb raider 2013 with shadow of the tomb raider. She looks moany and masculine.