Killzone 2 only uses 60% of the PS3's SPU's

At this moment Killzone 2 is using only 60% of the PS3's SPU. This proves that the PS3 is a very powerful gaming machine. I really want to know what games we will see in 3 years (if they can use the PS3 for 100%). For more info click the link

[Darkseider]

The good news is that IBM has been able to squeeze out nearly 97% of the theoretical max, which in turn would be 97% of the SPUs. So assuming devs can get a better hold I would imagine maybe 80% - 85%. In any case it is still a ton more power. Also note that KZ 2 using 60% is a lot different than say, Dead Space using 60%. A simpler and smaller game using the same power that KZ 2 is using would be absolutely mind blowing. Remember that it only hits up the 6x SPUs at 60% when there is a heavy load. Now think 60% ALL THE TIME. :)

[Jpinter]

true...remember they need to save that extra 40% for showing off improvements in Killzone 3. lol

[Pennywise]

Yeah Deadspace.... froze 3 times last night forcing me to turn off my PS3 by the back switch. I am not too happy about it.

But on topic... Good news! PS3 has plenty of growing room.

[solidt12]

I have never had any problem playing Dead Space on my PS3. That's strange! Anyway Every PS3 exclusive from now on will only get better and better. By the time the PS4 hits PS3 games may look similar to Launch PS4 titles due to the massive power of the SPU's.

[Pennywise]

Solid, did you ever buy any of the addons?

[solidt12]

no I haven't. I wonder if that's the culprit.

[MrWonderful]

@ pennywise.

i have bought some of the add ons and have not had an issue with it either

[arika]

no wonder xbox 360 is now trying to compete with the the wii(pricing and games), it's because it can't compete any longer with the ps3, i mean a game like killzone 2 only using ps3's 60% power.. wow! oh my god. i'm just drooling right now thinking what they can do on 100%, maybe not until killzone 3 or god of war 4. hehehe! anyway it's all good!

[PLASTICA-MAN]

I read in an interview, that infamous developpers are using 30% of the SPU's and if they push the optimizations further, they can end up using only 10% and with better graphics! Guerrila developpers are great, but they aren't the best in that way! May Be Studio Santa Monica and Readyatdawn have the best programmers! Trust me we will have GOW3 with the best graphics ever made and not needing even the half of the power because it will be more optimized! Same goes for GOW4! David Jaffe said in an interview in which so asked him wether GOW3 is making ps3 sweat, he answered:" GOW3 is not making the ps3 sweat, it is only making it warm, may be GOW5 or GOW6 will make it sweat"! And I believe him 120%! In the begging of the ps4 era we will have games on the ps3 that will look better than the first ps4 games, like GOW2 last year, it had even hd mode and it was mislead as a next gen game! Maybe with GOW5 or GOW6 we will have the promised 120fps in 1080p or higher, who knows? ( I don't expect that from Guerilla programmers though)!

[Thugbot187]

This is really cool, however I think the meaning is a bit misunderstood. What this means more than anything is that KZ2 programmers optimized there code well in addition with the PS3 being a powerful machine, so more than likely no frame dips. However its a misunderstanding of programming to think we 60% they still have another 17%-20% before they reach the full potential because if you program badly you can easily tax the processors for a full 100%. One other think to remember is while the PS3 processors are extremely powerful they are still reliant on the Nvidia video card. I'm not saying the PS3 doesn't have more potential, because I think we still have a ways to go to see; what I am saying is we don't want hear about a game using 100% of the CPU because that normally means we will see frame dips.

[wetowel]

They could have done more SPU usage but GG decided to keep spu usage at 60% for steady framerate. The more enemies, physics, lighting on screen the SPU usage will likely go up to 80-90%. If say GG were to have spu usage at a constant 80-90% there will be no room for play and a lower framerate will occur under heavier loads.

[nycredude]

Don't ever turn off your Ps3 witht he back switch like that. It's equivalent to unplugging your computer while it is on, not good. Instead do a hard reset by holding down the power button in the front for a few seconds until it starts blinking and it will shut down itself. I had to do it a few times with Fallout 3.

[callahan09]

No, it won't go up to 80-90%. If you read the article, the devs say that it only hits 60% maximum at the most taxing moments of the game. The majority of teh game runs at less than 60% of the SPU usage.

[PLASTICA-MAN]

They will never ever ever ever reach 100%.You know why? Because only if Kratos wants it, if he wants more CHAOS! Remember the psp case, the psp full power was inacessible, and thanks to GOW:COO they unlocked it. Remember that PS3 has a locked SPU and they can still release firmwares to unlock it and also to lower the usage of the SPU dedicated to the OS, so they can have a new amount of power and all the previous percentages will change. So stop flaming this thread, I don't believe even the sony developpers. Even between twins there are too much differences, why would I generalize this on every devolopper? There are developpers who are more skilled than those and who can affirm that the PS3 is more powerful (same goes for the lame developpers who complain saying it is weak)! Like I said before only GOD OF WAR 6 WILL UNLEASH THE TRUE POWER!

[Ju]

Hm, look at this:

http://www.develop-conferen...

Page 52. While this is a bit old, I guess the current code runs similar. So, its not that they could just squeeze the remaining 40% out of the CELL at any time - not without a re-design.

If you look at the diagram, there are gaps. These gaps are the idle time of the SPUs. Now, you'd need to fill those to reach 100% (or close to that). However, at some points, that's just not possible. And doing so and keeping the balance across 6 SPUs is hard (to reach 100% with life code impossible - benchmarks - these "97% usage" examples are benchmark code, which try to saturate the EIB, nothing more).

This old presentation from Guerilla only uses 4 spus, maybe that has changed.

Ideas to fill these gaps or the remaining 2 spus could be running (more) AI and/or physics in those idle moments, or on additional SPUs (= more enemies, better animation or more things to blow up, or even more particle effects, for example). Maybe this has been done already. Or even run a more sophisticated SPU setup to assist the RSX even more (that is what they primarily do with their setup now).

Just a thought.

[darkseid1]

just imagine what they could do in 2 or 3 years from now?

[TheSadTruth]

http://www.psu.com/Original...
http://playsquad.commongate...
http://www.videogamer.com/p...

You people are such sheep

Wow I guess in 3 years we will see 100% of the PS3's power and it will end the aids epidemic and usher in the new age of 4th dimensional gaming! No developer has been able to harness the immense power of the cell since a team of quantum physicists built the PS3 with such immense complication that not even a team of 100 developers can figure out how to unleash it's power.

[marinelife9]

Now compare that with the 360 running Half life 2.

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...

Sorry couldn't resist.

[WANNA GET HIGH]

Just wait till u see god of war 3.

[iHEARTboobs]

What was the point of your post? Sure it might be difficult to develop for but wasn't the PS2 hard to develop for also? My point is that it's not being used to it's fullest potential and every year more and more of that potential is met. It might not find a cure for aids or feed the hungry but it will surely bring us more polished games.

Anyhow, i'm glad to see that KZ2 isn't giving the PS3 a workout it can't handle.

[Darkseider]

OOOH HELL NO!!!! I am the only true wielder of the Omega Force! You must be my brother Drax.. but I thought I killed you in order to usurp the Omega Force. Could you possibly be Kalibak?! Maybe my other bastard child Orion? It makes no difference... I will use the anti-life equation and make short work of you both with my billions of minions!

[GUNS N SWORDS]

yeah for ps3 it isn't about the SPU's, it about the memory and the complex programing involved.

[krauley]

that the cell has a main processor with 8 spe's supporting it so its not like there are just four spe's running this game. i dont know how many of the spe's are availiable but there is still a main processor doing its thing too. :)

[JsonHenry]

And if Sony had not starved the PS3 for RAM imagine what would have been possible?

[MNicholas]

because sometimes you may be staring at a blank wall and there'll be nothing going on and other times all hell will be breaking loose and the physics, effects, poly-count, etc will be off the charts.

They will also never be 100% for all six. Why? Because there needs to be margin for error. As their code improves, they will probably work their way up to about 85%, maybe a bit more with instances close to 100% but nothing sustained.

The key to that is to treat SPU's the same way as GPUs are treated by focusing on parallelizing tasks. The real challenge, however, is not the processing power, that's easy, but data management. That's something they will refine over time. MGS4 takes a unique approach where certain scenes are almost like a different game and are coded uniquely with unique assets. If you've played it, you know what I'm talking about.

[PS3 FTW]

God

of

War

3

ZOMFG

[Tarasque]

Seems to me if they are using only 60%, then why don't they use the other 40% to smooth out the framerate?

[Utalkin2me]

Happens to me more than it should, i will just put it that way.

[mikeslemonade]

Phil Harrison says we will never be able to use the full potential of the PS3. Of course he's talking about the 10 year future proof plan. And based off of Killzone 2 I think Phil Harrison is correct. Killzone 2, i'm guess took 5 years to develop. The next game will take another 5 years to develop and i'd doubt it will reach 100%. So far the "quotes" that were bashed against in 2006 are actually becoming true. So only the nay sayers are wrong. The people like me and other Sony followers are correct. I love being correct.

[mikeslemonade]

"Seems to me if they are using only 60%, then why don't they use the other 40% to smooth out the framerate?"

It's because Sony themselves have not figured out how to use the rest of the cell yet. Time will allow them to figure it out and by the end of the generation they will be able to use 90% atleast.

[pain777pas]

The issue is getting devs over the hump to easily use the PS3' power. Killzone 2 has been in development for ages and it shows. However I hope that there is a way for devs to share info and engines to make other games. Insomniac must be alittle annoyed at some of their results with resistance compared to Killzone 2. I love resistance don't get me wrong but Killzone 2 at this point LOOKS to be superior in every way.

[buy a ps3]

mikeslemonade Killzone 2 took 3 years to develop not five so that means we will have time for Killzone 2 Killzone 3 and Killzone 4 by the end of the 10 year life cycle.

[Legion]

I am shocked that Sony uses even that much of it's SPU. Kind of like the joy you get when watching the kids at the Special Olympics cross the finish line. Makes you feel all warm inside.

Take off the hemit Sony and start driving the bus instead of sitting in the back. If your games are only running at 60% of your SPU then that might account for all the hiccups your system seems to have with games these days?

[rockleex]

to develop the next Killzone IF they decide to make a brand new engine.

But if they just upgrade the engine a bit, it would only take 1-3 years, depending on how much of the engine they want to improve or change.

[MrWonderful]

now just share your engine with other developers and we will see all kinds of nice games on the pstriple. and if dead space had been done in this fashion i probably would have crapped myself for sure. gotta love my shiny black console

[techie]

The reason that they limit the SPU's to only every using 60% of each SPU, is in order to make sure they have a solid 30fps framerate. SO they normally use 3 SPU's and if there's more on screen, they split it over all 6 SPU's to make sure it's only ever 60% on each .

[Statix]

If I'm not mistaken, I recall somewhere that Guerilla stated before about Killzone 2 only using 4 out of the 7 operational SPUs on the PS3. Which, if true, would mean that the "60% heaviest load" figure mentioned in this article was the worst-case scenario as measured on 1-to-4 SPUs at a time... with 2-3 more free SPUs completely left to spare.

[Ju]

There is no 7 in the PS3 (8th is disabled). The 7th is always owned by the GameOS (or can you allocate this one now, also ?). So, that leaves 6. Guerilla mentioned using 4 (see the GDC doc). Looks like one is used for control code, rest gets distributed (to the other 3). Can they now dynamically schedule to any number of SPUs ? Would make sense, but depends on the implementation.

[techie]

They use 2-3 at only 60% capacity each. If there's loads on-screen they'll use all six at only 60% each in order to keep the framerate at a stable 30fps. hope thay helps.

[bunbun777]

With no proof I still think its possible the 7th OS SPU will be used by Sony towards the end of the life cyslce of the PS3 so that we get the 110% God of War effect. At least I hope so-

[Proxy]

I'll avoid a detailed explanation, because I don't understand it fully myself.

In short, the PPE is the bottleneck, and I would guess it's almost always running at 100%. Remember, it's the SPU's running at 60%, not the entire processor.

It's like a call center with 100 people to take calls, but only 60 phone lines. Sure, only 60% of them are on a call, but that's not what matters. What matters is that the phone lines are maxed out and there's 400 people on hold.

The SPU's are able to complete their tasks faster than the PPE can issue them, and thus the SPU's will never be running at 100%.

The game looks great none-the-less, and I do think there will be better optimized games in the future.

[Ju]

Its not the PPU can't issue things to the SPU. They can get their data through DMA pretty much on there own. But you need to put the pieces together at some point. This sync overhead is simply "latency", which makes it hard to reach a 100% load throughout the whole system. Its a high complex parallel machine. Nothing trivial at work here. If you can find a way, where you simply schedule work packages in a way, that they don't cause a lot of overhead, you'll get the full bandwidth of the CELL. But that case usually never happens in a real world application. (Except for things like data streaming and such - where you have one (!) distinct use case running - compared to rendering, physics, AI, input etc. in a game).

[ultimolu]

I knew that.

It's damn powerful alright.

[Stryfeno2]

Yeah, but what about gameplay? I heard KZ2 gameplay will be its downfall.

Gameplay > Graphics

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

It only uses 20% for KillZone 2!!! ;-D

'This proves that the PS3 is a very powerful gaming machine'
Er YEAH!!! ;-P

F-ALL on the xBox 360 look as good as -

MGS4
WipeOut:HD
Uncharted
LBP
GT5:Prologue
Ratchet&Clank:TOD+QFB
MotorStorm 1+2...etc etc...
;-P
I should know because i got my New SONY HD:TV yesterday!!! ;-P
And they all look STUNNING!!! ;-P

[San anto]

"gameplay>graphics&quo t;

therefore gears of war = shiit?

[ultimolu]

...What?

The gameplay will be it's downfall? I'm in the beta and the controls are tight enough for me. Unless you're talking about something else.

I've been hearing a lot of praise for this game. :/

[pwnsause]

"Yeah, but what about gameplay? I heard KZ2 gameplay will be its downfall."

Thats already been cleared up by those who played the beta.

[nycredude]

You heard? From where? Please provide some links to back up your claim of shoddy gameplay. Right cause you can't!

In other news, I heard you were retarded, but I have no link to backup my claims...

Wait I do have a link, your comment about killzone 2 comfirms it.

[dukadork]

'I heard KZ2 gameplay will be its downfall'

yeah yeah, we know, you xbots hear voices when cornered, lol

it used to be 'I heard KZ2 is pre-rendered CG they can never pull off in real time'

BWAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA!
you suckas are so KILLZOWNED

[Pain]

Your such a moron you made me post .

How about NOT being a brainless Xbot Retard and NOT play the Halo defense card...to bad for you little teenage twit brain Killzone 2 has both Graphics and Gameplay....

Now stop breathing my Air and die already.

[ezcex]

first off you failed yourself

if you want to smack talk a game, do not say BUT, by saying

"Yeah, but..." that shows me that you agree that K2 has amazing graphics better than your Gears2, because if Gears2 is truly better, you would have said Gears 2 is better.

..."what about gameplay? I heard KZ2 gameplay will be its downfall.
Gameplay > Graphics"

simply you "heard" just says it all.

[PS3 FTW]

Ultimolu did you get banned from the open zone?

Did you too PirateThom?

Or are you guys posting in the Open Zone by choice? I pop over here to view the fanboys but I can still post in the Gamer Zone. How about you 2?

[IzKyD1331]

"I heard KZ2 gameplay will be its downfall."

Who'd you hear that from?
pp, gamedaily or kotaku?

[SSCOOLCHEA]

Thats just another idiot that don't have a ps3 ..broke azz fool ....here is an advice go power up your xbot and play halo and gears and watch netflix....

FOLKS WITH PS3 , THERE IS NO NEED TO EXPLAIN TO THESE DUMBFKS ANYTHING ..EVERYDAY ITS THE SAME ARGUMENT WITH ONE OR 2 PEOPLE WITH 50 THOUSAND ACCOUNTS . I HAVE PLAYED KILLZONE 2 AND PS3 OWNERS CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY KILLZONE 2 . THERES NO ARGUING , THERE WORLD IS HALO , GEARS AND NETFLIX.

[ambientFLIER]

It's funny: Juuken says she's not a fanboy, yet she mostly posts in the open zone and trolls for attention.

[TheHater]

All I know is this will be the best looking game when it hits next year and will play fricken great too. That all I care about and would be enjoying the hell out of this game next year

[HighDefinition]

This and LBP together are going to completly absorb my life.

[360 man]

it doesnt mean u will get better looking games

u will get better physics and AI

but not better graphics
the GPU cant go beyond wat it can do

[PirateThom]

So, you can get games that look as good as Killzone 2 with better physics and AI?

I fail to see a downside.

[360 man]

no downside at all, but it would have been better if the ps3 had a GPU like the 360s

[reelife]

The cpu helps the gpu retard, if there's alot of textures the CPU gives the GPU a push to read the information alot faster. so you can cram in sharper textures so the CPU can help.

[360 man]

Reelife first of all if im a retard then obviously ur dad must be one.

second in PCs if that was the case then people would not need to get a new GPU, they would just save their money and get new CPUs.

[Gun_Senshi]

pc needs new graphic cards becasue of optimization.

PS3 didnt even gonna have a gPU the GPU is there as support only.

The Cell Processor and RSX works together and the PS3 was constructed with that in mind.

The Cell/RSX relationship allows you to do ALL or NONE of your vertex work or pixel painting on the Cell Processor, whether one or the other is needed depends on the type of game you are making.

When you don’t format your data to run through the cell processor when it calls for it, it will result in a loss in image quality and other problems. That’s why most games suffer when they are ported to the PS3 from PC or the 360; PC or 360 formatted data as it stands is easier for developers to try to run everything from the RSX instead of them reformatting their data to run through the cell processor and then to the RSX.

I think I should write a story about this because two years later a lot of 360 fans still aren't getting it.

go back to play the "most graphical game" that looks bad gears of kill.switch 2

[Amp]

I would like to officially welcome Guerilla Games into the PS3 family, where they will undoubtedly find unparalleled critical and financial success due to the PS3's unrivalled technical and commercial prowess. The PS3 is truly the next generation console of choice for consumers, and has played a leading role in expanding the horizons of gaming into more families. The PS3 is handily decimating Xbox RRoD worldwide and has singlehandedly destroyed the mighty and evil Microsoft brand, crushing the evil empire forever.

[Yoma]

you know the spu can help calculate graphic , right?

[Darkseider]

You do know the Cell is capable of rendering graphics and assisting the GPU, right? The RSX was included to supplement the Cell and vice-versa. This is the inherent advantage of the PS3 as it is not limited to what the GPU can do. Rather for those who are reading comprehension impaired... The GPU should be used as a baseline of performance which can be further improved/enchanced by using the SPUs on the Cell if need be.

[thor]

KZ2 uses the cell to do some of the rendering. That's how it manages to look better than any other console game out there. The deferred rendering technique can be done on the 360, sure, but the reason it is so effective for KZ2 on the PS3 is that it lends itself easily to computing some of the graphics on the SPUs and some on the GPU. Read up about it here:

http://www.guerrilla-games....

Read near the bottom; "SPU Useage - We use SPU a lot during rendering".

And this is a very old paper, they have since optimised their engine and changed the way some parts of it work no doubt.

[ps3Owns360]

ps3 is the most powerful thing alive.meaning it will live longer than 360.also Yesterday on G4 channel cliff said that epic wants to push gears 3 to the ultime boundaries ,they said they can only do this on ps3.hopefully epic and sony can have a relationship going.gears 3 on ps3 amagine!.ps3 will conquer 08 and 09,after all 360 only gears 2 and fable lol!.and gears 2 still laggy LOL

[Common Sense]

RSX
550 MHz on 90 nm process [1]
Based on NV47 Chip
300+ million transistors [3]
Multi-way programmable parallel floating-point shader pipelines[4]
Independent pixel/vertex shader architecture
24 parallel pixel-shader ALU pipes
5 ALU operations per pipeline, per cycle (2 vector4 , 2 scalar/dual/co-issue and fog ALU, 1 Texture ALU)
27 floating-point operations per pipeline, per cycle
8 parallel vertex pipelines
2 ALU operations per pipeline, per cycle (1 vector4 and 1 scalar, dual issue)
10 FLOPS per pipeline, per cycle
Maximum shader operations: 136 billion shader operations per second
Floating Point Operations per Second: 1.8 TFLOPs (1.8 trillion Floating Point Operations per Second)
24 texture filtering units (TF) and 8 vertex texture addressing units (TA)
24 filtered samples per clock
Maximum texel fillrate: 12.0 GigaTexels per second (24 textures * 550 MHz)
32 unfiltered texture samples per clock, ( 8 TA x 4 texture samples )
8 Render Output units / pixel rendering pipelines
Peak pixel fillrate (theoretical): 4.4 Gigapixel per second
Maximum Z sample rate: 8.0 GigaSamples per second (2 Z-samples * 8 ROPs * 550 MHz)
Maximum anti-aliasing sample rate: 8.0 GigaSamples per second (2 AA samples * 8 ROPs * 550 MHz)
Maximum Dot product operations: 54 billion per second
128-bit pixel precision offers rendering of scenes with high dynamic range rendering (HDR)
256 MB GDDR3 RAM at 700 MHz
128-bit memory bus width
22.4 GB/s read and write bandwidth
Cell FlexIO bus interface
20 GB/s read to the Cell and XDR memory
15 GB/s write to the Cell and XDR memory
Support for OpenGL ES 2.0
Support for S3TC texture compression

337 million transistors in total
500 MHz 10 MiB daughter embedded DRAM (eDRAM) framebuffer on 65 nm process.
NEC designed eDRAM die includes additional logic (192 parallel pixel processors) for color, alpha compositing, Z/stencil buffering, and anti-aliasing called “Intelligent Memory” (eDRAM), giving developers 4-sample anti-aliasing at very little performance cost.
105 million transistors [2]
8 Render Output units
Maximum pixel fillrate: 4 gigapixel per second (8 ROPs x 500 MHz)
Maximum Z sample rate: 8 gigasamples per second (2 Z samples x 8 ROPs x 500 MHz), 32 gigasamples per second using 4X anti aliasing (2 Z samples x 8 ROPs x 4X AA x 500 MHz)[1]
Maximum anti-aliasing sample rate: 16 gigasamples per second (4 AA samples x 8 ROPs x 500 MHz)[1]
500 MHz parent GPU on 65 nm TSMC process of total 232 million transistors
48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines[3]
Unified shading architecture (each pipeline is capable of running either pixel or vertex shaders)
10 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle
Maximum vertex count: 1.5 billion vertices per second ( (48 shader pipelines x 500 MHz) / 16) **
Maximum polygon count: 500 million triangles per second[3] (1.5 Billion vertices / 3 vertices per triangle)
Maximum shader operations: 48 billion per second
240 GFLOPS (10 FLOPS x 48 shader pipelines x 500 MHz)[4]
MEMEXPORT shader function
16 texture filtering units (TF) and 16 texture Addressing unit (TA)
16 filtered samples per clock
Maximum texel fillrate: 8 gigatexel per second (16 textures x 500 MHz)
16 unfiltered texture samples per clock
Maximum Dot product operations: 24 billion per second
Support for a superset of DirectX 9.0c API DirectX Xbox 360, and Shader Model 3.0

In conclusion
Maximum Flops:240megaflops VS 1.8 gigaflops
Maximum Dot product operations: 24 bil/s VS 54 mil/s
Maximum shader op/s:48 bil/s VS 136 bil/s
Max pixel fillrate: 4 gigapixel/s
AA: 4xMSAA vs 2xMSAA

[Sergeant Osiris]

of how TANDEM PROCESSING works only goes to show why most PS3 owners laugh at 360 fanboys. COMPLETE TECHNOLOGICAL IGNORANCE YET THEY WANT TO BE HEARD IN A CONSOLE WAR.

Stop wasting everyone's time and learn something before you speak.

[360 man]

wats the point in having all that impressive CPU power wen u havnt got the GPU to back it up.

Oh man the PS3s CPU and the xbox 360s GPU would make a legendary console

[HighDefinition]

The 360s problems are worse though, IMO.

You are correct though, together wouldn`t hurt.

PS3 is getting sh!t done in 2009 from start to finish.

[techie]

UH the whole point is that the SPU's are supporting the GPU.

Watch the Killzone 2 footage...and then say the PS3 has a bad GPU

[HighDefinition]

Exactly. My point. The PS3 seems to have gotten a way around it`s problem. The 360 can`t, I don`t think, anyway.

[Pennywise]

With the cell they can use SPU's to render graphics.

You fail again.

[Cernunnos]

The Cell is PS3's CPU and GPU. The RSX is only there to support it. It's built completely different from an average PC.

[360 man]

the way they got the graphics looking like that is by a technique called deffered rendering

deffered rendering can be done with the 360 aswell easy

if killzone was to be ported to 360 visually it might end up lookin better. but there might not be as good physics and AI as on the ps3 verion due to the ps3s superior CPU

[Pennywise]

360 man, please pass me whatever you are taking.

[DJ]

Really? Then why doesn't a single 360 title use Deferred Rendering + Forward Rendering? It has more games than PS3, and it's been out a year longer.

Do you even know how deferred rendering works?

[Cernunnos]

Sorry 360 man. To make it look this good on the 360, they would have to remove every collision detection etc. It can't be done.

[360 man]

the reason why its not done much is because its easier to develop games the more conventional way than the killzone way.

look at how long its taken the killzone 2 developers to build that engine and complete the game

u see my point

[SixTwoTwo]

I thought it was normal for current gen games to have a 3 year development cycle. I remember Far Cry 2 and Prince of Persia both being in development for 3 years according to Ubisoft. I believe Fallout 3 also had a 3 year development cycle.

[360 man]

killzone has been in development for 5+ years

remember wen it was first ever shown E3 2005
they were obviously workin on it before that

[Gun_Senshi]

go back playing the "Most graphical game" Gears of kill.switch 2.

[SixTwoTwo]

LOL WUT

[DJ]

Strictly take the easy route on everything? That they're too lazy to try something that's actually well documented and has been done before?

Hmm. Interesting. I remember someone trying to explain to me why Forza 2 ran at half the resolution of GT5: Prologue, with fewer cars onscreen, and a third the polygonal detail on each car. They said "Well, the Forza developers could have done that, but chose not to. The 360 can easily handle it."

[pixelsword]

The Cell Processor and RSX works together and the PS3 was constructed with that in mind.

The Cell/RSX relationship allows you to do ALL or NONE of your vertex work or pixel painting on the Cell Processor, whether one or the other is needed depends on the type of game you are making.

When you don’t format your data to run through the cell processor when it calls for it, it will result in a loss in image quality and other problems. That’s why most games suffer when they are ported to the PS3 from PC or the 360; PC or 360 formatted data as it stands is easier for developers to try to run everything from the RSX instead of them reformatting their data to run through the cell processor and then to the RSX.

I think I should write a story about this because two years later a lot of 360 fans still aren't getting it.

[aaquib09]

no...When they showed it in 2005, it was a pre-rendered CG trailer. Why do you think Sony got flamed so much at that point? It wasn't real gameplay, it was just a video. We don't know when Guerilla first started developing Killzone 2, but you can't just assume its 2005 because that's when the first trailer was released.

Either ways, Too Human took 10 years to develop, and that shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Killzone 2.

[pixelsword]

...and it's coming out later than Killzone 2; so what's the story on that?

[GVON]

your obviously interested in how the cell is used for KZ2 then have a scan on this vid

unless ive become stupid or hard of hearing the mosaic they show is what they are rendering with the SPU

http://www.gametrailers.com...

[Darkseider]

Excellent vid showing how the SPUs are applied to the game. Bubbles for you!

[Karum]

Did Too Human use the conventional way? I'd say yes it was so no I don't see your point at all.

KZ2 is pretty much the first of it's kind in terms of how it has been developed. You know what happens when people get practice at doing stuff don't you? The process gets refined and optimized, people get better at it and it takes less time along with costing less (time=money).

Sure it's had a fair amount of time in development, not really a factor though when you consider this pretty much breaks new ground in developing for the console and ground breaking in the sense it shows off what t he console is capable of.

[sirbigam]

OMG! not one XBOT has come to defend 360 man, they are speechless and can't come up with any technical knowledge of the 360 to back you up son.

Take notes, You just got Schooled.

[cmrbe]

360man is one of the better x360 fans. He was not trolling and he made a good point but obviously you guys proved him wrong.

360man. Also add that GG was also devloping a engine that could be easily used for other PS3 games which means alot more dev time in system design.

[PS3 FTW]

Man I with there was a "signature" feature on N4g like in forums! That way I could quote '360 man' and have it in every post like this:

"If KillZone 2 was put on 360 it would look better"

LMAO

[PS3 FTW]

"killzone has been in development for 5+ years

remember wen it was first ever shown E3 2005"

It's 2008, 2005 was 3 years ago - what else did you find when you pulled 5 years out of your a$$

[jerethdagryphon]

the gpus are actually very very very close even according to ms

xenos clocks at 500 mhz with a 10mb dram framebuffer and 337million transisters

sx clocks 550 with no framebuffer and 300 million transisters as for fill rates and such there very close
xenos isnt the miricle people make it out to be its close to a x1650 gpu
and rsx is a 7600-7800gpu

there cousin chips same class
as or ps3 ram when the specs were laid out 256xdr cost about 100$
it wasnt feasable to add more
same as when ddr2 came out it was costly
the rams now cheap as it always drops rapidly but because o compatiblility issues they cant upgrade it

spu's
i belive the os's is dedicated spu is which ever one give the ready signal irst when chip recieves boot data
i dont belive its locked to a preticular spu

[Statix]

If Killzone 2 could look better on the 360, then how come we don't see a single XB360 game out right now that even comes close to it? Exactly.

[xwabbit]

We all knew the PS3 was a bad ass when it came to hardware :P

[mustash2003]

didn't, lol

[xwabbit]

Those are just fan boys don't worry

[jerethdagryphon]

from talking to my programmer buddy i learned something interesting

threads do not = the number of cores nor even the number of cpus

those who areo n pcs hit alt cont del and look in task manager
under proformence youll see a nifty little item marked totals

mines a older duel core
runing 589 threads

processes are programs and such and mine is runing 39
so its not theads = 6 on 360 whoever said that
a thread is a group of task run at the same time
a 486 can runn 10000000 task it will just run like a dog
so lets clear that up rest o what isaid is more or less accurate

[Sergeant Osiris]

is not in the number of threads but the SEQUENTIAL PROGRAMMING of the 360 cores. Why do 360 fans keep ignoring this fact?

the 360 has NOTHING to match the SIMD architecture of the SPU's. This means each SPU can crunch data at 8 times the rate of any processor on the 360, and there ARE 6 OF THEM. Do you start to get a clue on why games like KIllzone 2 will NEVER be possible on the 360? It's not built for that kind of load.

[Ju]

Speaking of the thread model. Well, it has something to do with the 360 (3x coherent cores, no its not 6, no matter how you try to interpret "two execution units per core") vs. 1 core (2 HW threads) + 8 (7-1 usable) cores.

On the first you could simply spawn threads and the OS would take care of the scheduling of those to any available core at the time. You can share memory and signal between those threads with an easy API.

On the CELL, however, you need a distinct SPU scheduler or you write your own. Memory is not shared. HW signaling is available (thru mail boxes), but a sophisticated messaging system needs to be implemented by hand. So, here its not just creating a thread and spawn it to the SPU.

A scheduler usually saves stack frames and such (registers, etc), which is simply a memory transfer and provided by the OS. These data are usually small.

However, the SPUs do not have registers, nor a (traditional) stack frame. You'd need to define the SRAM layout in an intelligent way, your your scheduler needs to backup/restore the whole 256KB SRAM to main ram on every single SPU "thread" context switch (==slow).

So, to avoid that, you wouldn't go with a traditional threading concept, but thy to keep this overhead small.

The second problem with the SPUs is, that also code needs to run in the SRAM, and therefore needs to be loaded to be executed. And you do not really want to reload the code for every small subroutine. Sometimes, you'd run different modules on different SPUs to avoid that. So, a lot of challenges, and not just a simply "port" (or re-compile) of traditional code.

[BananaSlug]

* looks at KZ screenshots *

HOLY SH*T!!!!

[Stryfeno2]

I have a bad feeling about this game

[PirateThom]

Of course you do, because you don't own a PS3.

[San anto]

i have a bad feeling about you and your mental health.

[ultimolu]

...Are you serious...

[Stryfeno2]

I just not a Sony leg humper like you...

[PirateThom]

Well, if you don't want to play the highest rated games this gen, fair enough.

[ultimolu]

No...but you sh*t on everything PS3 related.

I've heard plenty of praise for the gameplay itself. I don't know where you're getting your information from.

[Stryfeno2]

I heard it from people that are playing the beta...They said the spawning needs a patch and the gameplay sucks real bad. I don't have time to type everything out in detail.

EDIT: I do own all 3 consoles.

EDIT: Ultimolu, how can I trust a PS3 fangirl like you? That's like pp saying RROD doesn't exist.

[ultimolu]

And I've also heard people in the beta saying how awesome the game is.

What did you expect? It's a BETA. They're fixing things for the final build.

I had no qualms with the game in my experience playing the beta.

EDIT: Good for you. That's not the point.

EDIT: I know I'm a fan and damn proud of it. So what? The PS3 is my preference. That doesn't stop me from playing games on other systems now does it?

Grow up.

[Gun_Senshi]

Its time for your meds don't skip them!!

[Rhythmattic]

@Patchstation.

I'm gonna call you on this... I Dont think you have a PS3 at all... Its probably a friends on which you've set up a Account.

As for your website, 360 and ZUNE (LMAO) info only ?

Fair enough, Your a M$ Fan... No prob's, BUT all this negative spin (most likely manufactured by you) Re KZ2 , give it a rest....

Give it a Rest until Feb 09...

[lelik]

cpu can render graphics, they were initially going to have 2 cells in ps3 and no gpu so i'm not sure your gpu argument is correct.

[SixTwoTwo]

Naughty Dog said they used about 30% of the SPUs for Uncharted and that was a Nov 07 title. Killzone 2 uses 60% and its a Feb 09 title. So if Sony's 1st party studios continue to progress at this rate then by mid to late 2010 we should see what the PS3's graphical ceiling is.

[Pennywise]

Well the PS2 was "maxed" too, but they found ways to optimize and blow minds with what was possible.

[Cernunnos]

@ Penny - You're right. 100% doesn't mean it can't get better. After they max it, they can optimize!

[InMyOpinion]

Looks stellar!

I think the gameplay looks smooth from what I've seen in videos. Haven't had the chance to try it myself yet.

[DJ]

But apparently that's been saved for the ending of the game *coughcough*. KZ2 moderator hinted at this.

I'm surprised that it only uses 2 SPUs for the majority of playtime though, considering how intricate the physics/animation blending is. Absolutely amazing work by Guerilla Games.

[Cernunnos]

In that case, OMFG @ THE ENDING!

[pornflakes]

Sony propaganda still there?

MAn, this game is in dev for 4 years now and it will flop like Resistance2. Resi1 only sold so good beacuse of the bundles.. we see NOW that nobody really cares about this NONAME game. LBP same.. no marketing. KZ2 will be the next big flop, same as KZ1 was.

Just get it, the real NAMES are DMC, NFS, FIFA, FF, RE, MGS, GOW, HALO, FABLE, and some sega/ nintendo titles. This games would ppl buy every year.

Uncharted without bundles would also be just a poor seller.

EDIT: in 3 years it will be God of War 3.. FINALLY SOnys promises will be shown.. same was with the PS2 after 7 years ppl saw what sony told them.. with God of war 2.. but nobody cared at all then.

[PirateThom]

What do sales have to do with how good a game is?

Oh, that's right.

Not a damn thing.

[Gun_Senshi]

Since when Resistance 2 is a flop?

[ultimolu]

...So sales reflect how great a game is.

Do me a favor and play the games you've just mentioned before opening your stupid mouth.

[Gun_Senshi]

Then Britney Spears is the best Singer!??!?!

WTFOMGBBQ *head explodes*

[drdistracto707]

and look where that got it!

[RyuStrife]

Oh hey, go play wii sports, it's the best game there is./sarcasm

[SixTwoTwo]

I want to see what a game using 90-100% of the SPUs looks like

O_O aaawwweeesssuuummm

[Bolts]

People need to drop this ridiculous misconception that just because a game use 60% of a system power it still has 40% more to "grow". Thats just stupid. Just like how you'll never use 100% of your power supply output you'll never use 100% of your system theoretical capability. Plus like any piece of silicon a true demonstration of the system's raw computing power isn't what it can do at 100 or 80% but what it can do at 20-50%.

[Cernunnos]

Tell that to the difference between God of War 1 and 2, or MGS2 and MGS3 for example:p

[SuperM]

you will never reach the full theoretical power, but you can still get very close. And even after you are done using the so called percentages of the consoles power you can still optimize the code to make the game even better while its still using the same amount of power.

so while there is theoretically 40% power left, you can get even more out of it when you optimize the code, even if you cant use the full remaining 40%.

Its kinda like with the 360 where devs have been saying that they are using almost the full power of the console. It basically means that in terms of % of the maximum performance they are closing in on the top, but in terms of optimizing the game they can still go alot further.

[timmyrulz]

60%? wow

The human only uses 20% of its brain and yet there are a load of thick cuntz about.

Moral of the story? figures dont mean sh1t, it all depends on the user

[eagle21]

sTFU , Thanks :)

[she00win99]

in another news, all xbots only uses 0.06% of it's brain capacity..

[Keele]

They still use more brain capacity than you and that says alot.

[ezcex]

Keele, judging by your 2 bubbles that are left, I would say that you do not thnk before you speak. She00win99 does, and that is why he/she has more bubbles than you. So by your own logic, xbots .06% brain capacity > she00win99 > Keele, your brain capacity is lower than anything remotely imaginable. My penis only gets hard or soft and can still out think you.

[ultimolu]

Bots never think before they talk. They're so full of sh*t that it's freakin' hilarious.

EDIT: I know, but needed a change. :/

[ezcex]

yea, sad but true. that goes for sony driods too.

[Keele]

No, my 2 bubbles come from stating the TRUTH. Apparently people detest the truth if it gets in the way of their satisfaction.

If you think going around even using the word ''xbot'' and saying that ALL XBOTS use only 0.6% of their brain capacity meaning that all xbox fans are stupid is thinking before posting then you're as stupid as I said he was.

Now, if my brain capacity was lower than anything remotely imaginable, e.g your penis then I wouldn't have been able to outsmart your post in which I have therefore not only did your whole attempt to make a point fail miserably but you telling me how unintelligent you think I am showed us who truly was unintelligent here and it was you.

This is my last bubble, so I won't be able to reply but if you want to continue this petty arguement I'll be more than happy to oblige. PM me with your next post and we can continue it.

[ezcex]

My posts says xbots because I do not like fanboys, you can be an xbox fan, thats cool with me. I have both, therefore I am a fan of both, otherwise I wouldn't have bought them. As I said in an earlier post, it also referenced about sony droids. Fanboys are retarded period. My penis comment about it makes sense because it can be hard or soft, it can go both ways, not like fanboys who only think one way. So in conclusion you are a fanboy, which is why you attacked the person you replied to first. That is all, I do not dislike you, I dislike the fanboy in you.

[gamfreak]

PS3 really is a beast....!!!!!!

[Marty8370]

Just goes too show, what power the SPU cores's really have. If you remember PS2 had a similar approach with VU0 & VU1, they were very powerful vector units that took devs a little time to get to grips with. But once they did the games spoke for them selves. History is repeating itself.

DJ - So true, just like what some devs have been saying about PS3. Yet the devs still acknowledge that the SPU's are the key too the PS3's power.

The more code that gets shifted too the SPU's the better the PS3 games will perform.

[DJ]

"OMG, this shiz sucks!"

Two years later, we got to play FFX, Ace Combat 4, and the glory of MGS2. Developers had learned the technical aspects of the machine, and many were touting how powerful the damn thing was. And it only got better from there.

[Magic_The_Celt]

Wow, BEAST indeed

[Jpinter]

Kind of makes you wonder what SCEA Santa Monica is pushing with God of War III...

[lelik]

well i just pre-orded killzone 2 for 56.99 on amazon.

[Marty8370]

Take it thats US dollars.

[Captain Tuttle]

Sony HAS to license this engine out. You're average developer couldn't afford to spend the resources that Sony has (I think the price tag was around $20 million early last yer, it's grown by now) on this game. That way great looking games come to the PS3 and Sony can re-coup some of their investment. And I don't think PS3 owners should have to wait almost 4 years for games of this visual quality to come out again.

[DJ]

I've realized this after watching end credits for games like Uncharted and Resistance 2. All the PS3 developers share tech. Then there's the EDGE tools, which Guerilla helped design; every PS3 developer was given EDGE about a year and a half back.

But to sell this engine? Oh my god, they could literally slaughter Epic Games' Unreal Engine. I totally think they should.

[Yipee Bog]

We need Guerrilla's graphics capability, Insomniac's ability for A.I. and enemy numbers, and Naughty Dog's stability. We don't need Dev's to license game engine's out, we need Developers to collaborate more. Or else We'll just get more Unreal engine leftovers, I don't like leftovers

[jerethdagryphon]

and drakes humar and ratches ears :)

but yes sharing tech = better understanding

and that what sony do they did send isnomniac folks to other studios to do seminars on spu programming and it helped

but mor colarberation would be good but right now i want ratchet tod 2 uncharted 2 kz2 and a new top plate or my ps3

[dkgshiz]

Which is quite amazing as well.

[Tyetan]

I love my PS3 and I think it is indeed very powerful, but I tend not to trust first party developers touting their hardware. When I start hearing the 3rd parties rave about the boundless power of the PS3 then I'll get excited.

[DJ]

Possibly even forever. I have never heard a multiplatform developer state Platform A is so much better than Platform B, simply because they have to make both versions as identical as possible in order to maximize sales.

[sirbigam]

Tyetan yu know wat, seeing from yur ridiculusly stupid comment, I'm gonna say yu don't even have a ps3, now run along troll!

[Captain Tuttle]

Congratulations on making the most paranoid and nonsensical post on N4G today. That's quite an accomplishment.

[Are_The_MaDNess]

wow
its only the begining
its the way of the FUTURE

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

For a first Gen title it looks just as good as Gears2.
And of course a lot more can be done to off load processing to the SPU's and in the future we will see that in physics and AI and of course raw Polygon rendering.
I cant wit till they push this beast to the fullest.

GOD of war 3 Gran tourismo 5 and killzone 3,Uncharted 2, ....
They are Sony;s Dream Team!!
here's their chance to push Symmetric Processing (SMP)to new heights!
FUGHKK you Valve!

[Ju]

Quote: "Looks as good as Gears2". What ?

[Are_The_MaDNess]

BEST GAME EVER!!!
only thing that FAILs 4 me is the controls (hope i can change them lol (love the setup in the inverted CoD4 lol))
u c i love to fire whit the R2 button and not R1 and aim whit L2 and not R3 lol

[Djeeaz]

I have a retard (not really) friend, who keeps on saying that Killzone 2 is going to sucks.
When the game finally comes out, He's gonna look with a Jaw-dropping face !

[Jdoki]

To be honest I don't think we can draw a lot of conclusions from this...

Yes, the PS3 has headroom - but every console ever made had the best looking games towards the end of the product life cycle. Epic said they maxed out the 360 with the original Gears, and yet Gears 2 looks better and future titles (on every console) will continue to look better.

In-house and Sony provided tools evolve, developer experience increases and so on. There's no magic trick to suddenly unlocking 70, 80, 90% SPU use with each successive game developed.

SPU's are not necessarily intended to run at 100% all the time anyway. If a dev is spinning off AI to one SPU, physics to another and so on, it's going to be pushing variable levels on each. So averaging out the usage across all SPU's tells us nothing.

Yes it is exciting, but no more so than the jump between launch PS1 titles and end of lifecycle PS1 titles and so on. Console games get better looking, it's the way it's always been.

Also, if you wanted to fanboyish about this, you could argue the fact that two years down the line, a well funded 1st party developer is still only tapping 60% of the SPU's power. Which could point to just how complex it is to develop for PS3.

[bmatthews]

but I have to state that, while KZ2 may utilise 6 SPU's of the cell, and even in the most hectic situations, each SPU never goes above 60% usage...

which amount to 6 SPU x 100% = 600%

60% x 6 SPU (most hectic battles) = 360% of the total Cells power would be in use...leaving behind a further 240%

that sounds great on paper, but we must realise that this can be taken even further with proper game optimisation, as even when a console is maxed out, games can be made that will go Beyond what the consoles seemed to be capable of, simply due to more advanced methods of game optimisation and technology use.

what am I saying?

I'm saying that within a few years into the PS3's life cycle, expect to see games that look better than KZ2, animate better and handle physics better, yet use less of the SPU's than KZ2...

I mean, look how mind blowing Uncharted 1 looked, and that used only 30% of the PS3s' available power.

and if sony can find a way to further reduce the load on the locked SPU for the OS system, we may actually give devs a whole new SPU to work with...

thanks for reading.

[jerethdagryphon]

the only way to really max out a console or any cpu is to hamem it wit benmarking programs thats what there made for

now cells max theoetical capability as it stands is 218 gfp
tat means f all in actuality unless you plan to run protean olding simulators (oh yea teres folding at home)
games should never apoach 90% o that number because of slowdown and such 85-90% of max theroicical is the max load you want to put on something because o spikes and such

so ps3= powerful kz2 =gorgous ratchet=cute
ok

[eddispider]

I do not belive it. Ps3 konamis gti club could not even run on a steady 60fps. Grand turismo- they use to much polygons on cars so you get that ugly tear when more than 2 cars are onscreen, i bet the developers where hugely disapointed with the ps3 hardware that should had have 3 cell prosessors. EVERY 3rd party developed game wins hands down in favor of the 360. Maybe if sony hired David Copperfield ,IT COULD WIN THE CONSOLE WAR.

[Ju]

You should really keep that post. You can then keep repeating it and reading it to yourself over and over again. At some point it will become your reality. If you keep trying hard enough.

[KrimsonKody]

(While in the Game Store)
Uncharted 2, KillZone 2, God of War 3, FFXIII (although alost forgotten)

"Is this what you like?"
"Yes!" (nods head repeatedly)

[AriesFury]

why won't they use 100%? Why won't any developer use 100% of the PS3 capabilities at all?

[zslash]

It's near impossible to use 100%. Not only this is hard to achieve from a technical perspective but it can cause issues. For example if a game is truly using 100% of the PS3's power, and the user goes to access in-game XMB, it would lag like crazy. 60%-80% is as good as you're going to get. People of course will not agree with this, but it is the truth.

[Aclay]

KZ2 only uses 60%!! Damn, how much better can PS3 games get?!

If God of War 3 is rumored to look about the same or very close to that E3 teaser trailer, then I think that GOW3 will be the next PS3 exclusive to even go further.

This is "Power of the Cell", not gimped multiplatform games that probably don't even use 20% of the PS3's fullest potential. If people can't get it through their heads that the PS3 is the most powerful console now, they are in SERIOUS denial. PS3 games just keep progressing year after year.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

The PS3 is a true powerhouse built with perfection in mind. I, myself however, am basically a computer with off-the-shelf PC parts from the budget isle.

[jerethdagryphon]

to get the same spec pc you only need the following

a amd x3 phenom clocked at 3.2 70£
1x xfx 780s mainboard integrated gf 8200 50£
ram 1 gig 10£
hdd 120gb 25£
dvd drive 10£
case 5£ old vcr case

total 170 so yea same price i can build a same spec pc higher actually

[divideby0]

Most of us knew Sony puts out a machine with a long life time. Their track history has shown that. The PS3 was not put out to grab market share for a quick buck. It was forced to launch a year early as a counter. My intial investment will stand the test of time, in terms of reliability and technological advantages.
So many of the early bashers and disbelievers only have the next MS console to look forward to.

[PimpHandHappy]

in a way

i got a tune up on my Buick Superchared 6

it was getting 16MPG

it now gets 21MPG

PS3 without the time spent to use the cell 16MPG

PS3 with the time spent tuning up the cell 21MPG

silly i know
but kinda struck me how a little extra work and money spent can improve anything

[PimpHandHappy]

60% sounds like a lot and i seen someone say it uses %100 for the ending

cant wait to see that ending

[Dmack79]

Yet again, another year of Sony Domination!!!!

[pp]

Resistance 2 in sales was a FLOP

LBP in sales was a FLOP

KillZone 2 in sales will be a FLOP

Sometimes it makes me wonder why Developers even make games for ps3.

Gears of War 2 only uses 54% of the power of the xbox360.Just imagine if they used 100%.
Also how can it be best FPS EVER or graphical game in 09 when Microsoft has not even show their games which are due out in 09 you droids talk sh*t out of your mouths thats why everyone hates droids you all droids are pathetic low life vermins f*ckheads.

[digger18]

Oh look, wanker boy PP is here again!!!!

[Are_The_MaDNess]

look whos talking pp
lol the irony lol
its sad tho u r all the same 4 the 360
+ its the best FPS that we have seen (i doubt it will b any better FPS out 4 a long time)

[ezcex]

You are a great comic relief.

Sadly, no one can prove that ignorance is bliss better than you can.

keep on trucking my friend.

[nycredude]

PP makes a bad name for the rest of us gamers. I really can't believe some of the garbage PP types.

/EPIC facepalm

[Qwagy UK]

I'm no fan-boy (I have all of them like alot of people out there) but we hear this every generation BOO HOO.

[Are_The_MaDNess]

BEST FPS EVER!!!

[aggh im on fire]

Killzone looks great but this sounds like typical Sony spin. Ive heard the same thing from them since ps1 when GT2 only used 68 percent of the ps1.

[M3 Superhero]

i dun rly care cause i already kno cause K2 is goin a set the bar for gaming..

[Ps_alm3k]

nomura wanting to use 7 spu for FF13VS !!!??
that be crazy!!!!

[xbotpleasefixme]

EVERYTIME PS3 NEWS IS POSTED I COME ON HERE AND SAY HOW I HATE IT AND HOW TERRIBLE PS3 IS! EVERYONE LISTEN TO MY LOOSE BRAIN NONSENSE AND NOT BUY IT! MWHAHAHA TAKE THAT SONY FANS! NOW IM OFF TO RAPE CHICKENS AND OTHER BARN YARD ANIMALS BEFORE THE NEXT PS3 NEWS COMES OUT!

[Anti-PS3]

I thought that they are only using 4 out of the 6 SPUs. If that is the case, they are only really using 40% of the PS3's power. Somebody correct me if I am wrong. I just remember that info on that technical pdf that they put out. GG said that they are only using 4 SPUs.

[bmatthews]

well they have more recently said they are using all 6 SPU's so I guess they are using all six...

it's new info vs old info, which is probably outdated.

a lot has been added to KZ2 since that pdf was published.

[Anti-PS3]

Thanks for the info.

[jerethdagryphon]

cell
8 spe 1 disabled 1 reserved = 6

1 spe at 100% load =16.175%
2= 33.33%
4=66.66%
6=99.99%

in theoy in actuality its like muyti processors

1 core at 3.0 ghz

a duel core at that speed does not equal a 6 ghz cpu
the pseed is not added instead its closer to
core speed + .5cs for each aditional core
so a duel core at 3ghz really has a efective clock speed o 4.5ghz but a eective processing rate of 6,
its efficiant but not actually as fast as the total number of cores
an analogy could be 4 cars each a lambo countach capable of traveling at 100 mph
if you powered a car using all 4 engines it wouldnt go at 400mph but each engine would only run 1 wheel making it more efecinat at laod bearing

sorry for the ramble. maths more or less right if chaotic
its confusing
so using that

[darthv72]

and 360 seems to still be using only 1 core (maybe 2) out of 3. There is power to be used on both but why are developers holding back?

[KRUSSIDULL]

Most games uses 2 out of 3 cores in the 360 (Gears of War & CoD4) and yet they haven't started to use the multi threading feature (3x2=6 Threads)

[evrfighter]

They damn well better be ONLY at 60% looking at the kz2 screenshots they're gonna need all the power they can get...No offense but after playing games like crysis ultra high in dx10, fallout 3 AAx8 every detail maxed, hell even cod4 maxed out looks just as good...as you can see I'm a pc gamer. to me graphics doesn't make a game left 4 dead, 1.6, and cod4 are the only games I play. However if we're gonna talk eye candy, look around the pc community, these graphics aren't saying much.

This game seriously looks last gen, graphics wise...

[blackpanther25]

seriously as an All console owner (including a high end computer)you need to stfu. You telling me killzone 2 looks last-gen, Really last gen? you are so funny like L4D looks good lol. oh by the way i have two copies of that game. cyrsis is not even that good personally, but it does have graphics. I got bored of it real quick. oh and FYI nobody has said anything bad about killzone 2 gameplay wise. Its ok to show you are a pc gamer at heart, but please dont put stupid comments online. it makes you look like a fool to other pc gamers.

[AshleyRiot]

Last gen home consolewise is PS2,Xbox,Dreamcast and the Gamecube. This isn't PC but looks alot better then a ton of PC games out today. It's remarkable for a home console that doesn't cost anything near what you need for a full speced out PC. Do you hate the PS3 or Sony? If so just come out and say it. Have some balls atleast to say it. Or just jealous that a home console can actually do the things K2 is doing and GG+Sony are able to prove alot of people wrong as to what the PS3 is capable of. I know that part has got to hurt alot of people. I'm just happy they were able to achieve their vision after all the crap they took from the target render and for the fact home consoles have come so far. It's pretty amazing IMO that I don't need to run out and buy a uber graphics card and all these freaking upgrades to have things look this good on my HDTV. I think it's sad people have to try and pretend it doesn't look pretty damn amazing.

[Bolts]

Is this game going to look better than Crysis? No. Crysis's texture and resolution is uber high like all PC games Crysis retain the advantage in terms of textures and resolution. Is it going to look better than any console shooter in history? Thats a certainty. Nothing out there come close and there isn't anything on the radar that can come close.

[zslash]

Well of course. Killzone 2 does look dated compared to recent PC titles. Despite this, it is still one of the best looking console titles.

[lelik]

god i love pc gamers. stfu please.

oh and cell has 8 cores 7 of which can be used i believe.

[Bunnyslippers]

...it's about how you use cpu and where you use it for.

You could use 100% for 13.1 surround, but you wouldn't see it in the graphics on screen.
You could use it for physics and animation, but without the graphics.
You could use a cpu for the most convincing AI in a game, but would you notice it?
Or maybe and this would be very awesome. Using the Cell for full body motion capture. Or facial motion capture.

Also. Do people even care how much LBP uses the Cell. Or Heavy Rain a game which (in my opinion) rivals Killzone 2 graphics. But Heavy Rain is a total different game and uses the Cell in a total different way.
As an example, I care about how Team Ico is using the Cell processor and for what purpase. Ico and Shadow of the Collossus was never about AI or lots of animations. The world of Team Ico was always very desolated. So what will the Cell be used for?

I think these questions we should ask ourself. 60 percent doesn't say anything. It is just very abstract. Will Killzone 3 levels be allmost twice as big as Killzone 2? Will Killzone 3 be allmost twice the resolution? Will the textures be twice as sharp? Etcetera etcetera

I think people are really holding on to these numbers (60%). Because it's very difficult to kwantify how much you can do with a cpu (or console). People need to see these numbers. That's also the reason why the very beginning Sony and Microsoft were throwing these specs of their unfinished consoles. Next-gen was very vage.

But I am also a sucker for numbers. I mean who doesn't look at the specs of an hdtv? I look at Panasonics hdtv dynamic contrast-ratio of 1:1.000.000 and I think "wow that must give a great picture". But of cours Pioneers screens are far better (according to most critics).

(BTW I understand my story is not very structured)

[smturner68]

mmmm yummy yum yum. eat more eat more!!

So, then obviously the 360 could handle this game if the ps3 is only using 60%.
That is if the 360 has 6 threads and the ps3 has 7. Do the math.

[blackpanther25]

let them keep eating the garbage (if it is garbage) if they want to. they are sony customers and u are not so stfu and if u are stfu. lol u bring nothing to the topic. killzone cant be on the 360 because of blu-ray and the way they specifically designed the game get over it. fanboys

[PirateThom]

If the 360 can do it, I dare someone to make something that looks as good as it.

[jerethdagryphon]

each spu is a duel issue processor core coupled with a duel issue ppe

meaning each spu can excute one instrction and read/write one to memory on each cycle

7x2+(1x2)=16 total operations per cycle for the cell
8 execute 8 memory and multiply that by 3.2 billion to get actuall operations per second 25.6 billion execute operations pe cycle by the numbers same again for memory, this data is from ibms white papers on there site

360 has a tri core duel in order cpu meaning 3 exexute and 3 memory
also clocked at 3.2ghz so 9.6 billion execute and memory operations
per second

[lelik]

i feel ya bunnyslippers, seemed well structured to me.

[The Desperado]

Do you also bet on last week's lottery after the numbers have been announced, Xbox fans?

How dumb can those people get?

[xg-ei8ht]

The human eye can not see above a contrast ratio of 50,000 - 1.

And dynamic tells you everything. Most tv's don't actually achieve these numbers in the same way.

I have a 42" plasma, running gt5p and it's 20,000 - 1.

But i couldn't careless about the numbers tbh, i just know it looks great.

[RealtorMDandDC]

Feb 27th 2009.....I guess my 360 will no longer need to be turned on..

Street fighter IV, R5..KZ2, Heavy Rain, Uncharted2, R&C2, etc..

I may have to sell my 360 on E-Bay.

[Wii win]

Killzone 2 : now with 60% more suck and fail thanks to the PS3! =)

[digger18]

Better than 100% suck made by Microsoft ;)

[snoopgg]

Does the wii have even 1 good game out yet??????? Get a life you bone smokin troll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PimplePopperMD]

what a waste. noob developers

[bviperz]

to other developers.

[Neo604]

It's future proof.

[Says you]

Even the graphics surpasses the graphics and visuals of Crysis of course there just dumbing down the AI for the media and the public what has the XBox 360 have Patchstation what games can visually and graphically have that can compete with Killzone 2 and other PS3 game exclusives?.

[donnie-2105]

i think uncharted1 and this looks better than crysis on most gaming pcs.its only when you get to the really high end cards running on max settings(crysis) that it clearly beats this and how many local retailers can you buy a pc for 300 and do this never mind having it up and running in 5 minutes.oh yeah when was the last pc exclusive er nov07 crysis the high end market is dead my freind crytec,epic they ve all jumped ship to the equal playing feild of consoles.you can optimise with this set of hardware instead of runnibg out every year and spending 300 on upgradaes

[MediaSpin360]

GREAT GRAPHICS AND GREAT GAMPLAY and if thats only using 60% of the SPU's the Xbox 360 is, as they say in my neck of the woods, "borked".... The 1 year will have hurt it entirely NOT helped it.

Either way im frigin glad I have my Ps3.

[XDF]

Ok, whatever makes PS3 fans happy...the spec OMG, 60%, 30%, just cut this BS. Last generation when the PS2 was winning and the xbox had better specs, graphics, etc..the Sony faithfuls said graphics and horsepower aren't everything, it is about the games. Well, now you people just came to this conclusion that graphic is all that is matter and not the games that are available. Bunch of Hypocrites. Having said that, I will of course still going buy KZ2, Uncharted 2 and God of War when they are released :P.

[badkolo]

If you listen to it, he states they keep it at 60% to keep it stable, or else it wouldnt be stable.

[TBaT]

Look at all you PS3 idiots. I think the most popular word in these comments is "imagine". "Just imagine what the PS3 will be able to do in 3 years!", "Just imagine how good games will be when the developers figure the PS3 out!" etc.

Well guess what, when you guys are all "imagining" and waiting for games to come out. I'll be playing good games right NOW on my xbox 360. I don't have to "imagine" what a good game will be like, or wait a couple of years for one. Pathetic.

[blackpanther25]

useless post. Nothing to add to the conversation. Why dont you take that large thing out of mouth before you talk to us. I am playing good games on my ps3 right now, lol i don't even have to name the games for a stupid fool like you. anyway i got all three consoles so i am never bored. Best believe my ps3 is my most favorite console out of all three them, but that doesn't mean im gonna hang off of another man's balls lol. how old are u 16? lol

[sonic1989]

i wounder id ND will use 60percent power of PS3 for unchated2.

[demoneyeslaharl]

Since GG and ND are under Sony, what GG did or learned using their engine and coding for the PS3 will of course be shared fluidly with ND. I'll assume that Uncharted 2 will use a less percentage, yet will run as good or better than Killzone 2.

[kyleg]

do you guy know you do need more ram to do more, they are using 100% of the ram its going to be hard to pull more out of the ps3 but i think they can do it i hope. killzone2 looks crazy i can't wait for it. i know the cell has a lot of power but that power is useless with out more ram. you can have slow down if there is not enough memory. but they will set it to a mount that it can do with out slow down.
still the game is going to be hella good and i will buy it on the first day can't wait. and can't wait until god of war 3.
i was playing my 360 and i heard some guys talking and they said they will get a ps3 when god of war 3 comes out. so funny to hear people on 360 say that hehe.

[Lykon]

And sing the great disco classic by the Pionter sisters 'I'm so excited' because you know what this means don't you? That games for ps3 are just going to get better and better and better and better. All we have to do is lay in bed reading magazines and pleasuring ourselves knowing that millions of naughty little japanese men are working desperately for our pleasure, and also lots of little fat american men and european men desperately programming for thier lives while we REAP the benefit in a throwaway 15 hour orgy of graPHICALY orgasmic FUN. I just pray to the baby Jesus (pray with me) that SSX 4 is coming to the PS3 and that it is going to be buttock clenchingly beutiful, i'll definitely be getting pizza delivered that night if you know what i mean ;) the pizza boy can stay for an aromatherapy bath too and i will pay his wages. In the meantime lets just relax, and enjoy whats on offer and eat candy.

[Cyber Gamer]

just wait till u see the game that the BBC journalist who got a glimpse at secret PS3 game that will blow u away then u have god of war 3 these games wont look like games no more they will look like movies lol

[midgetsanx]

This is off topic, but reading this made me think about TOMBA..Man I miss that game.

[Daz]

i dont care :P As long as i like the game that all what matters not whats its using :P

MY game using 60% yeah but mines using this but mines is using this. so what ;/

[ChickeyCantor]

I can't believe people fall for this.

The engine of Killzone could still be tweaked and optimized, it's not perfect. So it could even use 40% of the PS3(ore less or more).
These things don't mean sh/t. Didn't kojima once said they are pushing the PS3?
It just depends on how well and clean your engine is written.
Again these figures mean sh/t. it's just to shove more nonsense in the faces of fanboys who get hyped over these things. Fanboys who talk like if they know how every hardware part works!

ARRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *explodes*

[xwabbit]

When they say they are pushing the PS3, they mean they are pushing the ps3 with their knowledge of the system, not the PS3 it self. So while time passes developers will get to learn more of the system and will be able to make even greater games on the PS3

[marcindpol]

know one thing, PS3 is future proof, and the best console out there!

[dramize]

I'm apart of this beta and am very picky when it comes to buying games. but this game is MAGNIFICENT!!!!!!! the graphics are superior, the gameplay is alsome, and the sound is just brilliant.
and to think, Killzone 2 only uses 60% of the SPU!
WOW just imagine how a game with ps3 FULL potential might look.
VIVA THE PS3

[jmcorp]

because this game looks like sh!t

[buy a ps3]

Cry moar

[jmcorp]

KZ2 = generic shooter,

[Rhythmattic]

HALO= Teletubies