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User ‘proves’ once PS4’s internal CMOS battery dies, even physical games won’t play offline

A PlayStation 4 owner has demonstrated how the failure or removal of the system’s internal CMOS battery can result in users being unable to play games offline without reconnecting to PSN, even after the battery has been replaced.

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travestyj1497d ago

I mean all you have to do if the battery dies is replace it is pretty simple

Angyobangyo1497d ago

Not so simple. In the future when Sony eventually shuts down PS4 servers, even replacing the CMOS won't fix it. It has to do with game trophies syncing to PSN servers and the internal clock related to the CMOS.

Asuka1497d ago (Edited 1497d ago )

Not the point. Still requires a handshake with a server to sync your system clock to your trophy data. What needs to happen is a conditional needs to be in place to check if communication to the server is accessable, and if not then bypass the trophy data check to proceed to launching your games/software. The fact that this isn't even a thing baffles my mind. It's really poor design/oversight and paints a narrative of how Sony plans to handle legacy titles 10-15years down the road. Why even bother buying third party games on PlayStation if you can't even play them in the future regardless if you buy digital or physical?

travestyj1497d ago (Edited 1497d ago )

Sony is not going to shut down PSN as long as they remain in business. All current and future consoles will use PSN. And all the CMOS needs to do is confirm the time...

The chances of PSN going away is slim none

Asuka1497d ago (Edited 1497d ago )

Hard disagree. I do not believe in a future where PSN will perpetually support all legacy platforms like you claim. All services get retired eventually as legacy support just becomes way too costly to maintain. It simply cannot there's just not enough money, time, or infrastructure to support such a feat. I guarantee you 40 years from now you will not be able to play your PS4 games digital, physical, third party or otherwise. But I bet you if I can go find myself a working snes and some carts they would work just fine in 40 years time.

travestyj1497d ago (Edited 1497d ago )

There is nothing to support. The old consoles will be able to connect to it, that is it. Nothing special has to be done for this to happen. It already happens. No extra work is required.

People really are trying to fear monger while not having a clue.

Asuka1497d ago (Edited 1497d ago )

Again hard disagree. The issue is not with the hardware console itself but the services and the servers needed. They eat up an immense amount of money and time and require constant maintenance. When you say there's no extra work needed that is factually false. There is no inbetween or gray area.

But again this isn't a hard issue to fix. All there needs to be is a firmware update to bypass the trophy data sync and it'll work just fine. But whether or not Sony finds fixing this issue as a priority is a different story, and which I wouldn't blame them because this hypothetical issue wouldn't actually be a thing for many many years to come.

travestyj1497d ago

All consoles and PSNow will all continue to use the same service which is PSN. It will never shut down so there is nothing to worry about.

Asuka1497d ago

"it will never shutdown"... Ok if you say so. At least you've been civil with the conversation, so I appreciate it 🤝

travestyj1496d ago (Edited 1496d ago )

Haha no problem and me too. Then only way I see it going down is if Playstation goes out of business 🤝

Orchard1496d ago

“ There is nothing to support. The old consoles will be able to connect to it, that is it. Nothing special has to be done for this to happen. It already happens. No extra work is required.

People really are trying to fear monger while not having a clue”

Clearly it is you who has no clue - anyone who’s built and kind of software or service knows there is maintenance involved and that the methods that service uses will not be the industry standard in 5, 10, 15 years.

Quick examples... encryption algorithms change all the time... TLS versions... HTTP versions... to name but a few.

There is a clear cost associated with supporting old and new devices trying to hit the same service - you either update your old device to be able to talk to the new services, or you make the service support both new and old devices - both of these have a dev cost.

Eidolon1496d ago

Bruh, getting to CMOS requires nearly complete disassembly of the PS4, including having to replace the thermal compound and possibly thermal pads(if needed).

Petebloodyonion1496d ago

I guess you didn't read the part of the article that mentioned that replacing the issue doesn't fix the problem if you can't connect to PSN.

Mithan1496d ago

They would need to patch it to correct that. One would hope that in the future, when they close the store, they would do a patch that removes the handshake/authorization/etc back to the servers.

gold_drake1496d ago

its actually not that simple lol not everyone has a hand for that sorta stuff.

MasterChief36241496d ago

Lol. "They'll never shut down the PSN." Tell that to the imminent closure of PS3, PS Vita, and PSP storefronts, basically erasing thousands of games from history as well as making it impossible for people interested in the platforms to be able to pick up any games on the service in physical form for cheap.

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gravedigger1496d ago

Like every battery has a shelf life, so it is in PS4. All CMOS batteries are replacable easily. Why ouch!?

addictedtochaos1496d ago

The CMOS battery in the PS3 and PS4 require a near full disassembly of the system. You have to know what you are doing or you will ruin your console.

gravedigger1496d ago

@addicted

Luckily, PS3/PS4 aren't so hard to disassemble.

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Fluttershy771496d ago

Could they change this with a future patch? Maybe not requiring trophies to sync with the servers in the future?
Is this an issue with PS5 too?

isarai1497d ago

Wonder what kind of battery it takes, and how replaceable it is 🤔

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Shiken1497d ago (Edited 1497d ago )

When PSN for PS4 shuts down, replacing it will not fix the issue. You still need to connect to PSN at least once.

The battery is one problem, but it is the online requirement that is even more worrisome.

travestyj1497d ago (Edited 1497d ago )

PSN dor PS4 is not going to shut down. All future Sony consoles and PSNow will continue to use PSN

Shiken1497d ago

PS3 and VITA were part of the same PSN as the PS4, this has been known for some time. Yet Sony saw fit to remove the stores.

Electronic devices lose support eventually in favor of new ones. If you think Sony will keep PSN support on the PS4 indefinitely, you are lying to yourself. Jim Ryan himself made it very clear he does not give two shits about older games and hardware.

PitbullMonster1497d ago

The PSN Store and the PSN aren't the same thing. You can still play online games on ps3 and psvita.

travestyj1497d ago

The store is a separate front end web app you use to purchase content. It is not PSN nor does a console need a store to connect to PSN

Orchard1497d ago (Edited 1497d ago )

@travestyj That literally makes no sense. So you’re telling me that in 10 years time either:

1. Sony are still going to be using the exact same services stack / software as they use today. Obviously this isn’t true since technology like services and software move very fast.

Or

2. They’re going to go back and update PS3, 4, 5 etc for all future versions of PSN. They won’t even support back compat - why would they do this?

You cannot guarantee that PSN will stay turned on for PS3, 4, vita or anything else.

travestyj1496d ago (Edited 1496d ago )

They will update the servers but PSN will remain the same. There was no special update required when PS4 came out or when the PS5 came out. It is all one network under one username. I can guarantee that.

Orchard1496d ago (Edited 1496d ago )

So your logic @travestyj, it raises the question - why can’t they do the same with the stores? Why are stores being shut down? It’s just a web service like every other part of PSN.

And how can you guarantee it for me? Do you work high up at Sony?

Heck, even Microsoft has shut down parts of Xbox Live before - and let’s be honest, MS handles services all-up and general support for older platforms a lot better than Sony.

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ScootaKuH1496d ago

This is why we shouldn't be so quick to dive into an "always online" future. If the servers get shut down, you lose everything

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FinalFantasyFanatic1497d ago

You can buy the battery off any super market shelf, it's the same one a PC motherboard takes if you have a look at it.

Knightofelemia1496d ago (Edited 1496d ago )

@isarai

Most common battery would be a CR 2032 I swapped the battery out of my PS3 with a CR 2032 and it works. CR 2032's are common in game cartridges that feature a battery save like Super Mario World or Super Mario RPG even the Sega Saturn uses a CR 2032.Gamecube and Dreamcast along with the PS2 also use a CR 2032 but for those two consoles they are soldered to the mother board. Older pc's used a lithium ion battery and when they popped they pretty much f*cked up the mother board.

Mithan1496d ago

Probably a 2025 or 2032, those are the common types used on most motherboards.

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outsider16241497d ago

It shouldn't be a worry should it? I mean how long do these go out? I still have my OG Ps4 running just fine. Controller just gave out last month though.

Asuka1497d ago

Those batteries tend to last anywhere between 15 to 20 years. It's just that someday they will die and in about 20 years time do you believe PS4 will still be supported on PSN? If not then that console essentially turns into a paper weight.

outsider16241496d ago

"20 years time". Lol. I have the launch console and its running fine till now. Im only holding onto it till i get my PS5 and im selling it off for cheap. Lets say 7 years now.

I don't know about you but I've never heard of consoles dying because of a battery.

Napoca71496d ago

My battery in the dreamcast still runs and it is older than 20years...

Mithan1496d ago

We will have blown up the planet by then, wont be an issue for most people

Miacosa1497d ago

This is pretty much applies for all digital content with DRM it will all need to phone home and store the checks.

Kaii1497d ago

+1 for Emulation Software

ManMarmalade1497d ago (Edited 1497d ago )

Computers die after being used for a long time and eventually burn out as well if theyre pushed too hard. Ive had at least 3 motherboards completely go out on me because of how many years I owned them. Ive lost tons of important files lost like this. Are PCs indestructible now?

Edit: you can buy a pc at any time and you can buy a console at any time. You can easily switch out HDDs on both consoles and PCs so I dont really see your logic unless im missing something. Also, emulation is nowhere near being as good as natively playing games. Parappa the Rapper, bust a groove, and a lot of my favourite rhythm games are almost unplayable with the input lag on my emulator. At least I can play some great rpg's though.

Orchard1497d ago (Edited 1497d ago )

You can buy a new PC at any time - and your emulated games will still work if they work today.

Buying a new PS3/4 will just get more and more difficult over time, and there’s a risk that the digital purchases or patches etc become inaccessible (as is happening to PS3 right now...)

trollpsg1496d ago (Edited 1496d ago )

thats funny 3 motherboards are you sure ? i have been in to computers for over 40 years and have not had 3 motherboards pack up on me if what you are saying is true you most be over clocking them to much or buying very cheap ones or both

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Battle Engine Aquila joins PlayStation Plus Premium.

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Profchaos4d ago

Another meh month and only 1 single classic wtf Sony. I was hoping after the price hikes for PSN we might get a good month spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down and all that

crazyCoconuts3d ago

Last month had harry potter and blue prince
I wouldn't say ANOTHER meh month

OtterX3d ago

Sandland looks right up my alley and I'm excited to give it a shot. I honestly missed this game somehow, never heard about it until now.

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pwnmaster30003d ago

Maybe I’ll go check out battlefield 5 again.
Maybe this will give a little boost

Dhika3d ago

Bad offerings and only a single game for the premium tier? Really sony?!

PapaBop3d ago

Some of the best psvr 2 titles leaving, nothing coming, way to support your psvr 2 owners. Still, I don't mind the games coming personally.

crazyCoconuts3d ago

Yeah I upped to premium when they started adding psvr2 with the expectation that they would keep coming. now when my sub ends I'll be scaling back

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Could PlayStation See a Price Increase?

Could PlayStation games and consoles see a price increase in the near future?

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darthv7216d ago

I thought it already did.....?

dmonee15d ago

Word!!!! With the PS5 pro release price! Im hoping for a price decrease!

S2Killinit14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

When PS5Pro released it was only $100 more expensive than the xbox series x. Now xbox series x is actually more expensive than the PS5Pro lol 😆

So yes the Pro will be getting a price increase imminently.

raWfodog15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

I think it’s pretty much inevitable. I don’t see Sony keeping the same prices while everyone else is raising theirs. The industry has been testing the waters for a while now with these other forms of increases such as ‘early access’ and ‘special editions’ of games. I always wait for games to go on sale so they’re not getting full price out of me.

VersusDMC15d ago

Well there were articles on how Sony stock pilled PS5s in the states so i think they will go one holiday season without raising the prices in the US.

And death stranding 2 and Ghost of yotei(coming out in Oct) have announced prices of 70 so i think they are going to see what happens when they are the cheapest option this holiday.

goken14d ago

Yeah, and i think the US gov also gave tariff exemptions for electronics. Although there’s still inflation to deal with, and logistics cost probably up significantly.

anast15d ago

Yes, the PS6 will be close to $800.

btmgov2915d ago

I will actually be happy if it is only $800.....

toxic-inferno15d ago

I don't like paying a lot for games, but frankly, this needs to happen if the industry is going to improve.

Back in 2005, brand new releases of PS2 games usually cost £39.99 in the UK, with some going up to £45. Adjusting for inflation, that's between £70 and £80 today.

Then consider that in 2005, many games were being developed by teams of around 40. Nowadays, for games of the same 'tier', you're looking at 500+.

In addition, game development in 2005 tended to take around a year. Many of the big development teams were producing annual releases, or at least one game every 2 years. Average development time now is 3-4 years.

Working all that through, you can estimate that a single game as I've described above 'should' cost FAR more than £70. A quick bit of rough maths:

£40 × 10 (increase in employees) × 3 (development years) = £1200.

Obviously, that's unrealistic, as basic economics tells you that market demand is one of the greatest driving forces behind pricing products. But it still makes you think...

Thank GOODNESS we're not paying more than £80 any time soon...

BeHunted15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

No thanks. More people are switching to PC gaming since it's more affordable. Graphics aren’t the main concern anymore. Affordable motherboards, RAM, and CPUs can last for years, and upgrading the GPU each generation makes it a worthwhile investment. There are no limitations with PC gaming.

Plus, PC games are cheaper, especially when bought from 3rd party key sellers, and there's no need to rely on monthly or yearly subscriptions

Agent7514d ago

Won't be long until PC games are in line with PS and Xbox prices.

Rancegamerx15d ago

Your argument is fundamentally flawed. Inflation alone doesn’t dictate game prices. Development efficiency has improved, with outsourcing, AI tools, and modular design offsetting increased team sizes and longer development cycles. The idea that prices should scale linearly with employee count and years spent is absurd—games don’t cost 30 times more just because they take three times as long to develop. Your math ignores the actual economic forces at play, like mass market appeal, competition, and diversified revenue streams. Pricing is dictated by demand, not a raw cost equation, and companies balance expenses through digital sales, DLCs, and microtransactions. If games were priced at £1200, the industry wouldn’t improve—it would collapse. The £70–£80 range isn’t some act of generosity; it’s the optimal price point to maximize profits while keeping consumers engaged. Your conclusion misses the actual mechanics of the market entirely.

toxic-inferno14d ago

I agree, and suggesred as much. But I was approaching it from the perspective of the employees, of whom there are now many more, working more years for the same release.

Thankfully, gaming has become more mainstream, which is what has kept the cost low for such a long time. Games now sell in far greater numbers, which keeps the cost low. But as this growth slows (as is inevitable), we should expect to see the cost rise.

Agent7514d ago

Back then, there was Play.com, games going for well under £20. Best to sit back and let games age and pick them up cheaper, but some used games can sell for more. That also pays off waiting for complete editions. It's probably the oldest debate in gaming, the price of games. PS4 games rising to £60 was a shocker. There's definitely a gaming crash coming, yet Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft don't seem to be bothered. They only see £ and $ signs then wonder how it all went wrong.

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PlayStation Plus is getting a price bump in Australia

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Sadly the price increases are expanding to Australia and likely other regions beyond.

Seems like it's best to stack now if you're in the position to do so

Cacabunga36d ago

Stack? No way I’m still boycotting since the last price increase

Profchaos36d ago

I try to stack every time they offer a psn sale that discounts the deluxe tier by 30 percent I find that's the best way to get past the multi year increases but yeah it's sucked feel like everything has increased so much lately across all subs I've cancelled gamepass and a few other streaming services going back to just psn, NSO and Netflix

DivineHand12536d ago

Same here. I let my subscription lapse since it ran out last summer. If we do the math, is a console really cheaper than a PC? It sucks that I can no longer play Helldivers 2, but it is not worth spending so much on the subscription fee for a function that should be free.

PS plus essential is $80
PS5 is $500
The generation is expected to last 7-8 years, which means you would have spent at least $1060 just to access basic features along with the initial purchase. Not to mention some games being more expensive. There are also the additional controllers you may need to buy once your original ones start to drift. I have 3 DualSense controllers, and all of them drifted. I was able to fix 2 of the 3 by modding them with Hall effect sticks.

I love my Playstation, and I do not regret buying it at launch since I got to enjoy some great games like Ratchet and Clank, Horizon Forbidden West, Spiderman 2, Demon Souls, Astro Bot, and God of War Ragnarok.

The issue I have is that the Playstation that we know today is different from the Playstation we had in the PS4 era. Things are also getting progressively more expensive as time goes on.

Once the PC hardware situation improves, I will be looking to build my own one part at a time instead of getting a Pro console.

anast36d ago

@ Divine

The PC situation won't get better. If you want to game, you will need to choose who you want to get screwed by.

lukasmain36d ago

Terrible idea to Stack now in my opinion. The raise is not that much for 12 months, so you might as well wait for the 30% sales at the end of year, because you will be saving more money. That's when I'm going to stack like a mofo. I'll buy like 5 years then

gold_drake37d ago

i hate this mentality of "oh its doing really well, lets make it more expensive"

CrimsonWing6936d ago

Hold onto your butts, boys. Soon the world will get a bump in game prices.

Profchaos36d ago

What's not going up these days

CrimsonWing6936d ago

How much we’re getting paid.

DarXyde36d ago

You gotta love the attitude people had before: "Price hike! NO, THIS IS TERRIBLE, I HATE—wait ... South America? lol ok."

It starts hitting closer to home and now we're worried. It was always a concern and people should have always treated it that way.

Funny enough, Sony is likely losing subscribers with every price hike, and all they're doing is offering the beefed up service to fewer people. Doubtful this offsets the lost subs.

Haven't had Plus in years, and I don't miss it. And frankly, with the way things are going, I just don't see myself getting into the next generation either. Increased reliance on AI, stagnant gaming experiences despite better tech, untenable budgets, increased cost to consumers, tendency to push GaaS, very long development cycles, weak/non-existent digital rights protections, poor global economy, tariff madness.

It's probably a better use of my time to double down on my other hobbies. Can't speak for others, but it wouldn't be surprising if the market crashes because enough people come to the same conclusion.

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