AMD's Equivalent to DLSS, FidelityFX Super Resolution Is Coming to PS5 & Xbox Series

Nvidia may have the clear advantages over AMD thanks to it’s DLSS, but it seems that the company is holding back as it has been stated that they are launching their FidelityFX Super Resolution feature when it’s ready. This includes cross-support for the latest next-gen consoles, the PS5 and Xbox Series.

[Shuckylad]

Awesome. Anything that can help solid 60+ Fps is a good thing.

[Nitrowolf2]

Yep. Hopefully it's implemented well. I do like sharp resolution, but i prefer performance gains to 60 fps. With this maybe we can get best of both worlds

[Eonjay]

If you look at DLSS you can get sharper image than native resolutions. This is why people have been talking about resolution as a non factor going forward.

[Babadook7]

Coming to ps5, series x and even series 💩. Seriously, I wonder if series s has the extra gpu resources to make proper use of ml supersampling.

[Mr Pumblechook]

I watched a YouTuber called Colt Eastwood who said DLSS would only be coming to Xbox Series X and would allow the console to beat the PS5 in all game performance comparisons. The way he was talking it sounded like he knew what he was talking about?

[IRetrouk]

Colt? Hes a joke, has made all sorts of claims that are based on nothing more than what's in his head🤣🤣

[IRetrouk]

Example one🤣
https://ibb.co/9HfKmH0

[cd1]

@Mr P

That colt guy is a right little tit, he fanboys for XB just for clicks - he needs a slap.

[OptimusDK]

@iretrouk it is not about sporting it... It is about what hw implemented the is behind it. And there is no doubt that xbox will have an edge here by going wide with more rops than going with higher frequency. I am sure xbox will have an advantage here.

[Mr Pumblechook]

@IRetrouk FFS! He was talking about the chipsets like he was a tech expert, and he had Aaron Greenberg on his show I assumed maybe he had some insider information - so he's just a grifter! 🤣

[IRetrouk]

@optimus, heard that for the last year!! Xbox has higher this and that so games will run better etc etc etc, results aint really shown that at all, I aint listening to these fake insiders and tech experts anymore🤷‍♂️

@pumble 💯
Example 2 https://ibb.co/LPbfxYn

Example 3 👀 peep the date, what behind the scenes stuff was he hearing🤔🤷‍♂️ 🤣
https://ibb.co/pXBdpfZ

[RpgSama]

People are going to complaint with "it's not real 4K (even though it's indistinguishable to the naked eye), it's DLSS 4k". So stupid.

[JEECE]

Yep, can't wait to see that.

[GameBoyColor]

Maybe console fan boys will but the PC community loves DLSS, it's literally black magic with performance gains and quality AA.

[isarai]

My complaint is ghosting, makes for muddy motion. That being said im basing my concern off TAA and haven't actually seen DLSS in person, not sure if it's the same

[Eonjay]

@GameBoyColor

That's the thing people don't know.
The ability to increase things like AA are what help produce a better image than a GPU can do at native resolutions.

It's the equivalent of working smarter not harder.

[cd1]

@Gameboy

No as far as i can see it was the PCMR criticizing checkerboard rendering saying it isn't native. If they had played God of war running on either PS4 Pro or PS5 they would think differently. They talk as if they know so much more than anyone else but that's far from the truth.

[QSPR]

@isarai
you need to change your monitor, I can bet you it's a VA panel. IPS is the way to go if you want to game without ghosting, flickering and less input lag.

[FPS_D3TH]

@isarai as someone with a 3080 who’s tried dlss on a few games now. It’s goddamn voodoo and the difference in 4K and dlss image quality is indistinguishable but you’ll love the performance gains

[isarai]

I dunno, looking it up seems like ghosting is still an issue with DLSS 😒

[isarai]

No i haven't seen it in person, but plenty of people who have say ghosting is still an issue. There's no shortage people complaining about ghosting after enabling DLSS with a quick google search. Not really baseless when plenty of posts online are complaining about it with screenshots of the issue. Not confusing it at all, look it up yourself.

[Tapani]

@isarai,

I have played multiple games with RTX /DLSS combo on both RTX 3080 and RTX 3070, and can confirm ghosting is an issue. The lower your rendering resolution is, the worse the ghosting becomes. I tested mostly games like Control, Metro Exodus, and The Medium, but it was there, and what I read online it's a common thing. I am actually more interested in a pure 85% gpu scaling + sharpening rather than 4K + DLSS. There's something strange about the DLSS2.0 image quality I can't really describe well, but it just isn't as immersive as 85% or native 4K. Somehow it doesn't feel as "3D" or pure, like there's a strange FOV effect or really small layer of vaseline on the screen. I guess no matter how much you use AI and ML, if it's low resolution like 1080p or 1440p you are upscaling, then you are upscaling a picture with less information. The algorithm has to create new information, and it somehow makes games look weird. Maybe most people won't feel that way, and that's why it's "magic" for them. For me, it wasn't.

[porkChop]

This will allow raytracing at 4K60 without sacrificing other graphical features.

[cd1]

I hope so...then again Spiderman running in that new 60fps RT mode @ 1440p already looks great!

[IRetrouk]

Crazy how good that performance rt mode looks and feels, pure 🔥

[Destiny1080]

the card is targeting 1440p gaming the same as the series s

[JackBNimble]

And you have a problem with 1440p?
That seems kind of juvenile.

[LucasRuinedChildhood]

Was wondering when we'd hear about this. This should make it way easier to achieve 60fps with raytracing.

It's a shame that the launch games couldn't use this tech though.

[JEECE]

This is so good. DLSS 2.0 is awesome, so if the AMD version is anywhere near as good, I will be thrilled. And with this, there will really be no good excuse for games not hitting a solid 60 fps.

[Magog]

Doesn't DLSS introduce more input delay?

[Edubencz1]

nope

[Father__Merrin]

Tbh even an upscale 1600p checkerboard to 4k looks tremendous only extreme fanboys claim its not true 4k even though the game looks awesome. I've never understood that if a console player is playing a game that's checkerboard and looks awesome anyway why it bothers a PC extremist to point out its not true 4k claim he's got a 2080ti then leave the convo?

Now with this news looks like console games may be getting to look and run even better

[Amplitude]

I remember when DVDs came out and people said they could barely see the difference from VHS. I also remember when bluray came out and people said they could barely see the difference from DVD. I remember when 4k blurays came out and etc etc

Those people were super weird to me lol and I got the same feeling reading your comment. I literally don't know how you can't tell the difference between checkerboard 4k and native.

Anyway - you're wrong but that's totally okay cause that's what this article's about. FidelityFX is here to make checkerboarding obsolete. This is also moreso a huge benefit to 60 fps gaming rather than trying to hit a 4k target. This is sweet lol literally DLSS was the only thing keeping me playing on PC (2080 Super) this gen but not anymore. Back to PS5 for multi-plats I go

[ShadowWolf712]

For one, technology has vastly improved in the realms of rendering and upscaling compared to the days of jumping from DVD to BluRay, or even BluRay to 4K.

For another, you're talking upscaling a 480p image to 1080 (to say nothing of digital cleanup among other things) or upscaling a 1080 image to 4K. This is taking something with a much smaller relative difference and upscaling it in a way that doesn't stretch the image or distort it by using AI to fill in the gap. Insomniac's temporal injection upscaling works in a similar fashion. Unless one literally zooms in and slows down footage, it's very hard to tell the difference, and laypeople likely won't be able to tell at all.

THAT is why this is different from the silly "there's no difference between BluRay and 4K" arguments.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

That's nice want a medal? LOL 💩 don't hang.

[1nsomniac]

I thought they had already stated in their stage presentation that the cut back PS5 SoC didn’t have AI learning capabilities features??

I thought that was one of the features Microsoft paid extra for....

[ProjectVulcan]

Both consoles have machine learning performance. Limited though, especially if you compare it directly to Nvidia's architectures.

[IRetrouk]

Both chips have the capability, an ea dev even confirmed the ps5 was capable in the second wired ps5 exclusive interview published last year🤷‍♂️

[Kilua]

Nah. you've just been watching too many colteastwood/deleargaming videos

[1nsomniac]

AMD themselves stated the PS5 uses RDNA 1.5. They physically shown it on a slide at one of their conferences whereas the XBox was shown on the same slide to use RDNA 2.

So how is this going to work then? Genuine question.

[Grievous]

No they haven't. At all.

[1nsomniac]

....erm yes. Yes they did.

[cd1]

No both use RDNA2.

[1nsomniac]

... I’m confused, did I see a fake presentation??

[IRetrouk]

That never happened, both amd and sony have repeated from the announcement that the ps5 uses a custom rdna 2 card, its not 1.5, there is no 1.5 cards, also if you look at both chips, both use a front end thats very similar to rdna1(this is where a lot of the rdna1.5 bull comes from), because rdna 2 is based on 1, on another note, the series x gpu clocks are on the slower end of amds new cards, most of them are at or higher than the ps5s gpu clocks, thats the facts, take em how ya will🤷‍♂️

[jjb1981]

I can't wait to see what both these systems do with these new features.

[ProjectVulcan]

We'll see what it is like. Nvidia's AI and deep learning GPU acceleration is still much more advanced in their hardware. AMD's RDNA2 designs are simply not nearly as powerful in this specific area.

For example even a mere RTX2060 has DOUBLE the low precision integer performance of Xbox Series X. INT8 is the basis for DLSS, this is what you need to accelerate AI upscaling.

DLSS 2.0 or anything similar is certainly not free. If you get net performance gains with similar image quality, it's a win. If you don't have the hardware acceleration performance to run sophisticated AI upscaling then net performance gain can be negligible and not worth the (usually extensive) time to implement well.

[Espangerish]

My single biggest wish this new gen is 60fps as an option in all games. Going back to 30 is like going back to 1080p after you’ve got used to 2k/4k.

Hope this is the magic sauce to get the consoles over the line.

[cd1]

Every game ive played on PS5 so far has ran at 60fps, going forward I think it will become the norm again.

[Espangerish]

Good to hear. Finally getting my ps5 tomorrow. Can’t wait!

[cd1]

@Espan

Good to hear dude - enjoy!

[jakseth]

a great addition for console graphics. Hope Nintendo will do the same for the next iteration of Switch.

[DFresh]

Awesome.
That means sharper resolutions and faster frame rates above 60 frames per second.
Count me in.

[badz149]

where do people get that DLSS = sharper resolution? it's not and native is always best. DLSS is a technique to reduce graphical sacrifices by rendering at lower res and upscaling but with deep learning to reduce missing information during the upscaling process. it's the advanced version of checkerboarding. the performance gain in terms of fps is awesome but you gotta be kidding yourself if you think it looks better than native.

it's only going to get better with time and will be approaching native res quality in the near future but it's never gonna surpass it. that's not how things work. that's the same level as Google saying that Stadia can achieve negative latency and will be more responsive than playing on native hadware. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

[AuraAbjure]

I wonder if they will harness the power of all the EPYC 2 servers out there to teach FidelityFXSR.

[specialguest]

Let's hope FidelityFXSR does better than DLSS 1.0 since this is their first version. DLSS 1.0 was a "meh", but 2.0 was came back as a champ

[Games1st]

Finally some good fucking news. More time for devs to focus on other stuff.

[DaveZero]

I got a say that yeah the series X and ps5 will defo be able to handle all this but I am most excited to see how the series S will be with it all. As an Owner of the series S I have been more than impressed with the console so far and it's far exceeded my expectations for a console so many seem to skate because they dont own it .

[Emme]

Still disappointing that the raw hardware power isnt enough :(

[Sieg]

Cost is the biggest limiting factor. Consoles need DLSS to get consistent 60fps @ 2160p for more demanding games.

[cartoonx1]

"AMD's Equivalent to DLSS", it took Nvidia quite some time to polish it. their DLSS 1.0 implementation was awful. I'll be surprised if AMD could reach anywhere close to 2.0 specially given their track record with drivers.
nonetheless its great news for both console owners and amd card owners.

[sagapo]

Great news!

[FanboysKiller]

Awesome, All this will translate to more 60+fps games ,they literally take it seriously this gen , anyone who says this gen will be mediocre is a genuine troll.

[Kilua]

People have been trying to make it out that ps5 isnt capable of machine learning because it hasnt got direct x. Well, lol, loook at this?

[ocelot07]

I was about to comment soemthing similar I remember not to long ago people saying this is a exclusive RDNA2 feature and ps5 wouldn't support it because it does not use full RDNA2 😂😂😂
28514;😂😂.

[Sieg]

Consoles users rejoice when PC tech comes to their platform but the moment a console exclusive make its way to PC. They throw a giant fit. Relax people, Sony and AMD aint your friend and they don't care about you being a fanboy. They just want your money.

[cd1]

Don't tar all console gamer's with the same brush pal, you're talking about a small minority there. I was happy to see H:ZD come to PC, Its a great game and I'm glad others got to enjoy it too.

Nvidia and Intel aren't your friends either.

[ANIALATOR136]

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