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PlayStation 5 Outsells Xbox Series X With 4 to 1 Ratio In France

Sony hits home with a stronger launch than Microsoft.

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SullysCigar1616d ago

It doesn't mean much while stocks are depleted - but once replenished, I'd expect the ratio to be in Sony's favour by an even greater margin.

Rimeskeem1616d ago

Usually supply is made to the predicted demand especially when pre orders are a thing. So Sony is making more consoles because they have more demand overall.

agnosticgamer1615d ago

@Rimeskeem
Incorrect... Sony made more consoles in the initial wave because they didn't wait for RDNA 2 to be fully implemented in their system. This allowed them to manufacture more systems overall than Microsoft. Allowing them to allocate more stock for their launches around the world.
Now certainly they may end up outselling Xbox Series X|S across Europe, and more than likely will. But the initial stock of the system... They had the advantage because they were rolling them off the assembly line first.

SullysCigar1615d ago

^ @Agnostic, it's just worrying at this stage that certain people insist on suggesting Xbox has "full" RDNA2 and PS5 doesn't. Do your research - Sony custom made a couple of elements of RDNA2 which are MORE ADVANCED than what Xbox waited for. There's every chance those custom elements will be incorporated into RDNA3.

While I accept that MS waited, I don't accept they couldn't have achieved higher production numbers than they launched with, had they expected there to be sufficient demand.

PlayStation outsells Xbox - it's been that way for a long time and it's unlikely to change, so it's time to stop making excuses and accept reality.

MajorLazer1615d ago

PS5 will absolutely dominate Xbox again. I fully expect the PS5 to sell even more than the PS4 too.

S2Killinit1615d ago

Agnosticgamer
Sony’s RDNA is more advanced than MS’s. Whether MS did or did not make enough consoles was a decision that factored in the demand for the console. They allocate consoles as a function of demand because they dont want to be seen as the console that is readily available while the PS5 is selling out. Otherwise, do you REALLY want us to believe that MS was stupid enough to get out manufactured 4 to 1?!?

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InUrFoxHole1615d ago

@sully
Who is suggesting xbox is the only one with rdna2?

SullysCigar1615d ago

^ @someone72, your denial won't change the truth. Research the XB & PS architectures before you comment.
^ @InUrFoxHole, nobody is, you seem to be struggling to keep up.

GamerRN1615d ago

So wait a minute...

You people are suggesting Sunny helped make custom RDNA chips that are far superior to RDNA 2 and AMD chose to release a lesser chip instead... AND Microsoft chose this chip most likely knowing it was weaker, while waiting for it to be finished?

This is the craziest crazy I've heard in a while.

neutralgamer19921615d ago

agnosticgamer
someone72
GamerRN

Yes sony went went into the custom route while ms waiting for RDNA2. I trust mark Cerny a lot more than I trust anyone on any gaming sites. And y'all are making bogus excuses about production what about this current generation when ps4 dominated xbox one? What was holding back ms at that time. Here are some facts

Playstation brand is much bigger and valuable than xbox

Playstation brands generates more money every year

Mark Cerny knows what developers want and need since he is one himself

Ps5 launched with actual games while xbox series x launched with it's best slogan "wait till next year"

Games are performing better on ps5 than XSX yet XSX is more powerful and according to xbox fanboys has better RDNA

by the time xbox series x will get halo(it's biggest IP) in holiday 2021, ps5 will have spiderman MM, demon souls, sackboy, God of war, horizon, GT, ratchet and clank, returnal. Let that sink in. And so manu other world wide studios would be up next so this generation maybe even a bigger sales margin than last generation

Even a year ahead start and many having to buying multiple xbox 360 consoles due to RROD couldn't stop ps3 from outselling xbox 360 every single day, week, month and year while it was on the market in world wide sales

DJStotty1614d ago

@agnosticgamer

How dare you provide facts on N4G lol /s.

It even states in the article that production was delayed on the Series X due to AMD, and PS5 started manufacturing in the summer.

Funny thing is, these fanboys believe the numbers in the article, but discount the part about production numbers.

Double standards and hypocrisy at its finest level. As per article :-

"Sony's first victory is therefore that of supply, clearly more important than for its competitor. This is in line with the confidences of Phil Spencer, boss of the video games branch of Microsoft, who explained that problems with AMD had forced his company not to be able to start production of the Xbox Series until the end of the year. summer, where Sony managed to start that of the PS5 in early summer."

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Charal1615d ago

I agree.
I am French, and here you can find Serie X in stock at several big retailers.
So that means that Serie X demand is fulfilled, while PS5 is out of stock everywhere and sell in minutes as soon as some restock appear.

leejohnson2221615d ago

Same situation here in the uk

Chevalier1615d ago

Sorry the couple Xbox fans have their heads in the sand and can't hear you. The excuses were RDNA2 and the lateness of chips for low production for Series X. What you're saying doesn't fit their narrative so.....

Mulando1615d ago

No, you can't. Stop lying.
You might get a Series S but there is no Series X in stocks anywhere (other than scrappers). MS totally underdelivered here.

Charal1615d ago (Edited 1615d ago )

@mulando

My local Fnac store has around 6 serie X in stock, boxes available on shelves. This is the local store stock, not available online.

For Serie S it is available everywhere even online: https://www.fnac.com/Consol...

But well, you believe what you want.

boing11615d ago

Yeah, same here. You can get both at retail no problem. PS5 next year.

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Charal1615d ago (Edited 1615d ago )

@psfbk

Well, As I said to the other guy above, you believe what you want.
Fact is that in France Serie X can be found on some shelves.

Maybe you can see this as a good news for Xbox fans in France that have still some chances to get one before Christmas....

DJStotty1614d ago (Edited 1614d ago )

https://www.amazon.fr/Xbox-...

Amazon France - out of stock

https://www.game.co.uk/weba...

Game UK - out of stock

"Yeah major retailers have stock of Series X lolz"

#falseinfo

Please provide a link to these "big" retailers that have stock of Series X so i can order one please?

@Charal

"My local Fnac store has around 6 serie X in stock, boxes available on shelves. This is the local store stock, not available online."

So you mean we have to take your word for it? Ok then.

Charal1614d ago

@djstotty

As I said to the 2 others guys before you, and this is my main message here, you believe what you want.

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Chevalier1615d ago

PS4 I think was up to 6-1 in France I think the whole generation so I would expect this ratio to continue

Mulando1615d ago

yeah, it is the same in the forums. Those consoles are sold out. Even the Series S is hard to get (what I really didn't expect). As long as they are sold out, you just can't compare anything. We can just see that MS really had started production a bit late and Sony might still just deliver more consoles this year.
But in the end, I would guess that sony is still far ahead of MS. The "Playstation" brand is just to popular in Europe MS can't beat that. Not with such bad marketing like in the past 12 years.

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Destiny10801616d ago

that's because xbox was late to production and could only manage to produce one quarter the amount of what playstation could

Army_of_Darkness1615d ago (Edited 1615d ago )

@destiny

Yup...that's exactly the reason why the ps5 outsold the series s/x...... 🙄
Sony sure dodged a bullet this time...

ABizzel11616d ago

Considering the PS4 outsold the XBO 4:1 in France last-gen this comes as no surprise really. I'm honestly worried for Xbox that this is going to be PS4 vs XBO all over again, with the difference being Xbox might actually have a good library of first-party games this generation among multiple genres start 2022, but the problem is you can get the Xbox Experience on just about any android OS (Shield, Phone, HDTV / 4KTV, streaming box, etc...), PC, and even appliances like refrigerators with GamePass, so the hardware for Xbox could do even worse.

PS-Gamer-19861615d ago (Edited 1615d ago )

Yes why should it be the other way this time around, while xbox came out that horrible years for x1 with the desastrous first party game drought + series s/x starting with no new first party games either again. This time they even can't brag with having the "best plays to play"or "most powerful console" or whatever it was again.

Chevalier1615d ago

Self driven narrative. As Xbox says Power your DREAMS!

(Disclaimer Dreams don't have to be true. Proof of concept brought to you by Xbox)

Power you dreams. -Xbox-

TheTony3161615d ago (Edited 1615d ago )

Even if MS could produce more, the result would still be the same. It's Europe. Xbox never had a chance here.

The Wood1615d ago

Only in the UK and that was destroyed last gen

Bathyj1615d ago

Yep you're right. Xbox wasn't ready for launch. They didn't have the hardware numbers and they didn't have the games. They should have delayed it and at least have a quality launch. If they really didn't care about numbers like they claim that's exactly what they would have done but we all know that's just marketing BS.

ScootaKuH1615d ago

And you know this how? What's your source?

Phoenix761615d ago

I'm sorry but the "late to production" excuse is lame.
MS first showed off the XbSx at last year's game award show. Months ahead of Sony revealing the PS5. They had plenty of time to start production and ensure they could of competed with Sony far better than they have.

SullysCigar1615d ago

I have to cut you some slack, as I'm certain you just forgot to end with "/s"!

Bobertt1615d ago

Lol weren't the reports from the summer that Microsoft already had their production worked out and it was Sony who was scrambling cause of the pandemic.

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Charal1615d ago

Completely false, read my comment above.
Serie X demand is lower than available stocks in France, MS is only held back by themselves, don’t make then any false excuses.

Ratchet751615d ago (Edited 1615d ago )

Wrong.
I work at Micromania(Gamestop 🇫🇷) and we had as many xbox series x/s available at launch than ps5 and ps5D tbh.
We only sold out our first series X stock one week before launch and the series S is moving very timidly to say the least.

One positive thing for Microsoft is that we see a great interest among our customers for the "all access" package.

Silly gameAr1615d ago

What's funny to me is, if xbox was late to production, how did they get their consoles in the press and youtubers hands before Sony? That's always irked me.

Chevalier1615d ago

Weird. Charal who commented here is from France and suggest Series X are widely available and sitting on shelves unbought. Doesn't fit the narrative though right?

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WillyC0091615d ago

Lmao, yeah.....that’s why. This comment is hilarious.

InUrFoxHole1615d ago

Thats true but its not the only reason. Lets not act like sony doesn't have a track record of great machines and games. Gotta be objective man.

medman1615d ago (Edited 1615d ago )

@destiny1080
Late to production? With hardware? What's your excuse for the "late to production" software? Where is Halo, again? Another gen, and still no games. You're done here.

Dragonscale1615d ago

Nice excuse for such a rich and powerful corporation. Pure deflection.

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Profchaos1615d ago

It's practically guaranteed that PlayStation will beat Xbox in Europe it always does

CptDville1615d ago

Will beat everywhere. Xbox won't fool me (nor anyone) this gen (pre-ordered it last gen) with pseudo exclusives and the "Power of the Cloud".

Profchaos1615d ago (Edited 1615d ago )

I've always owned both of probably say my X1 got the least amount of use out of any console I've owned. It wasn't bad it just had nothing exciting on it and those promises never panned out I still don't see cloud gaming boosting local play unless the game is all in cloud. I used it mainly for backwards compatibility if I wanted to replay rdr 1 it excelled at that, Halo MCC and halo5 after that all Xbox games came to PC so I played them there.

ocelot071615d ago

Now this is by no solid evidence about demand in the UK. But cex are selling ps5 disc consoles for £795. Xbox series x is £690 spite being more powerful.

Profchaos1615d ago

I wouldn't put much stock into how cex price things I sold a steamlink last month that I brought for$36 new to them 4 years later for $30 and they sold it for $80.

ocelot071615d ago

@Profchaos but that's a discontinued system. Something that even though is not made anymore. It's still usable.

Ps5 and series x is brand new. The ps5 is simply in higher demand so they can make more profit selling that than a series x.

Ninver1615d ago

Sony simply can't restock ps5's quickly enough. I personally know 4 mates waiting to grab one asap.

jznrpg1615d ago (Edited 1615d ago )

Same here , everyone at my job wants PS5 . There was one guy who wants an Xbox not sure if he got one or not as we don’t talk about games much for some reason

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Why The Rumored $1 Billion Budget For Grand Theft Auto VI Does Not Add Up

Here's why the rumored $1 billion budget for Rockstar Games' upcoming open world action game, Grand Theft Auto VI, doesn't quite add up.

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thorstein13h ago

"Or was it i̶n̶f̶o̶r̶m̶e̶d̶ guesswork from analysts?"

Video game budgets will always be fictional, just like Hollywood movies. Unless there are receipts it's all speculation.

And Take Two has a marketing department with an already approved budget (just like studios in Hollywood).

thorstein13h ago

(Continue...I was in the Lincoln Tunnel)
Budgeting isn't included in the total cost because it is a separate budget. These companies intentionally inflate the numbers so they pay less in taxes.

This is not a new trend. And if you give your CEO $30 million per year and a game takes 5 years, you just add that $150million to the budget (CNN).

isarai9h ago

I don't know where they get these numbers, absolutely NO games is spending anywhere near that amount on production even including marketing. If we're talking lifetime estimates for like a 10yr plan maybe, but even that would be a very vague projection. RDR2 at the time of release cost less that GTAV did and GTAV cost about 265mil with marketing being an average of about 200-300mil each.

Lightning779h ago

I believe it's somewhere around there. Cod is 700m$ to make. I think GTA could be around there if not more. The insane level of detail in the trailer says it all.

Yeah I believe it's around there personally.

goken2h ago

The $700m cod budget is for tax purposes imho.
I also seriously doubt a game even as top notch as GTA would cost a billion to make.

QuantumMechanic1h ago

Yeah, that would be tax fraud. Public companies are independenly audited. They cannot just put whatever number they want "for tax purposes".

SimpleSlave38m ago

To be fair, the $700 million in development costs were over the game’s lifecycle, not just development - Black Ops Cold War (2020) in this case. And of course, this also include their marketing campaign.

But then, you take into account Activision Blizzard's shenanigans for not paying taxes, even getting tax refunds, moving billions to tax havens, plus all the money paid by Microsawft and Sony for exclusive deals, and I bet you that figure is substantially way lower than $700 millions. And I do mean SUBSTANTIALLY lower than that.

Oh, and if you think Rockstar hasn't figure out that scheme by now, lol, they have. They all have.

walken71h ago

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwnnnn n.

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Doom: The Dark Ages Launches to a Peak of 30k Concurrent Users

Doom: The Dark Ages has hit a peak of just under 31,000 concurrent players at launch, a figure much lower than both Doom and Doom: Eternal.

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Armaggedon6h ago

I guess that means the game is trash?

PRIMORDUS4h ago

No it's good but for $70 and Denuvo DRM on PC hard pass.

pwnmaster30003h ago

Don’t matter, if it’s not hitting 100k+ it’s considered trash and a failure.
That’s the new standard apparently

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Becuzisaid5h ago

This game just didn't excite me like the last 2. I'm passing on it this time.

JEECE3h ago

Spin off vibe without the spin off price.

LucasRuinedChildhood5h ago

Could be affected by:
- A percentage of people will play this on GamePass which the last 2 games did not launch on.
- A percentage of players bought the Deluxe Edition which included early access, reducing the peak as players will start playing it on different days.

PRIMORDUS4h ago

Price most likely the issue, and while most don't know or care about Denuvo on PC, if you lower the price I'm sure it will sell more on all platforms.

VersusDMC2h ago

Well Clair obscure had the same situation(gamepass) and had a concurrent high of 150k and currently at 50k.

LucasRuinedChildhood33m ago(Edited 20m ago)

Sure, but those numbers are higher than previous Doom games' peak on Steam as well.
- Doom 2016 (44,269)
- Doom: Eternal (104,891)

It seems like the peak would at least as high as Doom 2016.

Bit confused on one thing. That graph only starts from May 15. They don't seem to have been able to capture data for the early access players who started playing days before that.

LucasRuinedChildhood14m ago

So basically, I'm talking about relative to the peak numbers of the prior games.

I'm not saying that a game that released on GamePass cannot have high numbers on Steam. But the effect isn't 0%. And Early Access also affects the peak.

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Avowed Presents Arachnophobia Mode and Camp Feature Update

Avowed's big update brings Arachnophobia Mode, character camps, custom maps, new weapons & the time feature RPG players have been waiting for

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Obscure_Observer14h ago

YES!!!

NG+ in a few months!

Excellent!

anast4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Around a 600 24hr peak on Steam at below 80% approval...I'm sure not too many people are worried about this.