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Aaron Greenberg: "Does the price of a game even matter, if it's in Game Pass?"

Xbox games marketing GM responds to question over whether Microsoft will raise game prices

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ziggurcat1712d ago (Edited 1712d ago )

"Does the price of a game even matter, if it's in Game Pass?"

Well, yes it does because people might actually buy games on Xbox, and there are people that don't do digital distribution?

RpgSama1712d ago

F****!!!!! I HATE this dude so much, POS Aaron Greenberg, then there comes the Xbot brigade to defend Xbox saying that MS doesn't want a service only future, AG himself is saying, "who cares about buying games, when we have gamepass".

If MS gets their way we're going to be left just like with the music industry, with the occasional Collector's Vinyl

DEEHULK881712d ago

Dumbest thing I've ever heard

leejohnson2221712d ago

Just looking at him makes me feel slightly ill

FanboySpotter1712d ago

@rpgsama you hate anything ms/xbox has to say even if it's positive. Hate them so much you probably didn't even know gamepass gives you discounts which is good for those hoping there isn't a $70 price tag

RpgSama1712d ago (Edited 1712d ago )

@FanboySpotter

Where is the positive in this? Taking the words of Aaron Greenberg "Does the discount in the price of a game even matter, if it's in Game Pass?"

darthv721712d ago

I tend to buy games that i have played in GP and I get them for a discount even. So no... the price of the game doesnt really matter to me when it comes to game pass.

Babadook71712d ago

How many game of the year contenders came to gamepass day one? None?

-Foxtrot1712d ago

RpgSama has a point

I mean...it just feels like they want to implement their plans they revealed for the original Xbox One in 2013 but they are instead slowly, surgically dishing it out...drip by drip so they don't get shit on all over again.

If they got enough support, subscribers and even more positive cover from the press with GamePass then they could do anything, they could start to do "internet needed" for games X, Y and Z, raise their prices and so on.

Just like how Netflix keeps raising its prices despite going downhill a little, people usually complain and stay or complain, leave then come back eventually.

blacktiger1711d ago

If you can't sell your ownership then you lost everything!!!! This is like Rental vs Owner

bouzebbal1711d ago (Edited 1711d ago )

There you have it folks.. Xbox don't care if they sell games now 🤣this guy is an absolute disaster

What this clown just said is a big misstep..unless publishers charge xbox for every copy downloaded through gamepass, which makes xbox biggest pigeon ever

Noskypeno1711d ago

We already have evil Amazon taking over the world, now that everything that's not walmart is turning into a generic Amazon warehouse. Microsoft doesn't look that bad in comparison

Sophisticated_Chap1711d ago

That's why Sony is coming out with an All Digital console, because if Microsoft gets their way.......

HASHTAGSMITTY1711d ago

Going to be left just like the music industry as in listening to more music than ever before for less $$$ than ever before? Sounds terrible.

Army_of_Darkness1711d ago

@fanboyspotter

So you... Actually think what AG said is good news?? Wow.... So what if games were $90 and a few games that you wanted were NOT on game pass? What will your response be? You gonna cry then?
You all do realize that not all new games will be going to GP right? Unless it's from MS themselves.

Sirk7x1711d ago

That's technology for you. I'm a musician, I listen to music constantly, it is one of my passions. Why would I want to pay for thousands of albums when I can have Spotify Premium on my phone and have it all available to my instantly? It's convenient and saves me LOTS of money. I don't miss spending half my paycheck on CDs every week like when I did when I was 18 lol. Many people are going to feel the same way about gaming streaming services.

Rhythmattic1711d ago

Sirk7x
Well, As a musician myself, I refuse to use streaming services like Spotify...
Its not viable to the hard working , creative musician.

Theres the fact of manipulating plays, the cost percentage top the artist... All those blaming Apple for 30% cut, well I give you Spoofitlie....

Ive got Albums worth on my multiple SC pages... for FREE...
WHY? Because music IS my life.,

Only time I make money is doing Film Scores or Audio Post...

Why should I let a company thats just a database, (sure back end servers) make money and pay my SFA for my creative art... Without music and musicians, where would they be?
Nowhere,,,,, Its like a Large Company asking you to do a gig, unpaid because it will give you exposure ,....
The problem is , it literally is the wrong way around...

So. I buy the Albums too support the Acts I like... Sure, Vinyl, CD.. But if I can when I can, The HQ uncompressed version, also.
Different stroke for different folks...

But dont underestimate how your choice effects the Artists you like.

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Godmars2901712d ago

There are some who can't do online, but that hasn't stopped it from becoming the prevailing method for gaming.

Noz1712d ago

There are people who cant afford a blu ray player, should we start selling vhs again because of them? Progress dont stop because a hand full of people wont or cant adapt! Get used to it, digital is the future and that is good!

Shikoku1712d ago

Baseless assertion with no evidence to back it up. The prevail way a large portion of the gaming public play games is physical media. Steam and PC aren't the only gaming platforms🙄, thank God, and digital only out paced physical sales this year and it was still only 50% and that's because it had help from the pandemic. https://www.google.com/amp/...

roadkillers1712d ago

@Noz

I'm not against you,but bluray players are under $50.... probably less expensive because a lot of tv's do not support vhs inputs anymore.

nickanasty2061712d ago (Edited 1712d ago )

I am a collector, so yes, price does matter to me. But as with most of the collecting i do, i wait until the games are dirt cheap, then buy them, unless for some reason the game is a must have on day one which is the only time i will be willing to pay full price. Cyberpunk for instance, day one purchase. Also to clarify, by collector, i mean i only buy physical copies of games, because i still am one of the older sad folks who prefers physically having something in my hand when i pay 60 dollars for a game. The game goes into a huge 350 sleeve CD wallet i have. If the game is worth it I will pay full price because I do like to support the production and development teams. Another reason i will buy things on day one, for instance games like Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1+2 remake, where we haven't received a decent skateboarding game on any console for a long time. I like to support those types of games day one because it shows developers as well as financial analysts that there are still major amounts of interest in those games, and hopefully triggers them to realize the demand is there, therefore we get sequels.

FanboySpotter1712d ago

"Yes it does because people might actually buy games" then buy them this aint psnow, gamepass gives you discounts on games that's why he said does it matter? So no $70 tag. And also about there being people that don't do digital distribution.. maybe on other platforms but not on xbox. Gamepass is only growing and growing is subs. All fake concerns.

ziggurcat1712d ago

"... then buy them..."

Price matters if I am buying them.

"... maybe on other platforms but not on xbox."

Not one person on Xbox buys physical discs?

Christopher1712d ago

I hope he asks that question of people developing games for his console. Pretty sure it does. But, you know, if everything is on GamePass, everyone is obviously making money off of it. Right?

Petebloodyonion1712d ago

Then you should be happy to know (if you read the article) that all games with Smart delivery will still cost you 60$ vs 70$ on Xbox
So at least you know that you can save 10$ if the Playstation5 costs 70$.

ziggurcat1712d ago (Edited 1712d ago )

If your response to the question whether games will be $70 on Xbox is "does price really matter if it's on GamePass?", then you know they're going to be raising prices to $70.

Also there are $70 games on Xbox: "Earlier this year, Take-Two revealed it would charge $10 more for NBA 2K21 on PS5 and Xbox Series X"

Petebloodyonion1712d ago

Is take-two an MS studio?
"Xbox games marketing GM was asked if Microsoft would adopt the $10 price increase that publishers including Take-Two, Sony, and Activision have recently introduced for a small handful of next-generation titles."

And the only thing they confirm was that Gear would cost 60$ and that smart delivery games would not suffer from a price hike.

ziggurcat1711d ago

"Is take-two an MS studio?"

You're talking about saving $10 by buying Xbox Series X titles - that example is the same price on both next-gen systems, so where's the $10 savings? Is Gears Tactics going to be on PS5 for $70?

"... smart delivery games would not suffer from a price hike."

Same is true on PS, so...

Petebloodyonion1711d ago

@ Zigurat
The point of the article is: Will Ms go with a 70$ price tag for a next-gen game like others do including Sony
What price is Demon's soul Destruction All-stars again?
And how many MS games are gonna be sold at 70$ this winter?

ziggurcat1711d ago (Edited 1711d ago )

"The point of the article is: Will Ms go with a 70$ price tag for a next-gen game like others do including Sony"

Based on his response, they probably will. I'm sure they'll hold off for as long as they can, but they will no doubt raise prices for their 1st party titles to $70.

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TheProblem1712d ago

Ugh. Aaron Greenberg

If it looks like a troll
Acts like a troll
.......,..,,

ChasterMies1712d ago

And GamePass isn’t free.
And third party games are not a part of GamePass forever.

umair_s511711d ago

To me it doesn't. It is obviously the best deal in gaming. The only reason I am even considering a ps5 this holiday is because I love dualshock controller and demons souls. I am not currently a game pass subscriber but I definitely will sometime this gen. The best part is you don't even need an Xbox to enjoy game pass. Soon xcloud streaming will roll out on more devices. I look forward to using xcloud on my chromecast.

ziggurcat1711d ago

So how are you going to play a game on GamePass if it's not actually available on GamePass? Wouldn't price matter to you in that case?

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Hakuoro1712d ago

Ask Steam, where all your games seem to be ending up these days.

CaptainHenry9161712d ago

I was just thinking about that lol

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Tech51712d ago

except for forza on steam. it would be great but they keep on rejecting it.

DevilOgreFish1712d ago (Edited 1712d ago )

it's too complicated with Forza. you need xbox/windows account to access 50% of Forza's features.
driveatars and events are tided to it. which steam has no version for this to port over. that's why it's been stuck on windows.

jeromeface1712d ago (Edited 1712d ago )

@devilogrefish so complicated that they put sea of thieves on there no problem?

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Atom6661712d ago (Edited 1712d ago )

What should they ask Steam exactly?

Should they ask:

"Hey Steam, why are "next gen" versions of console games being upcharged to $70 when the same game is still $60 on Steam?"

"Why did these Xbox games sell so well in your store when everyone could have just played them for $1 on GP?"

Like those type of questions?

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Vega751712d ago

@ zeroBlue2

What's stopping people from buy the game from gamepass at a discount? You can still own the game without paying the 70 dollars

DEEHULK881712d ago

@Zeroblue2 WTF will be stopping you if you want to buy the game? They still sale any game on Gamepass. There are no games on Xbox that are exclusive to Gamepass for the umpteenth time.

Atom6661712d ago

@ZeroBlue2

Why would they ask Steam that? Does Steam own games? You seem confused.

Steam is a digital storefront that sells game licenses.

Xbox Store is a digital storefront that sells game licenses.

They also have a rental service called Gamepass where you can rent some of their games.

So, no, I don't think they'd ask Steam that question.

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Shikoku1712d ago

My games end up on my bookshelf because I don't use steam play games on a PC.

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Games1st1712d ago (Edited 1712d ago )

Does the quality of a game even matter, if it's going to Game Pass?

iplay1up21712d ago

Seriously? You need to check the Game Pass lineup. Plus November 10th EA Play, will have all of its games available to Game Pass subscribers. That is an additional 50 + games, making Game Pass library well over 200 games!

Doom Eternal, was released for Game Pass this week, as will every new Bethesda game going forward. That sealed the deal for me. Yes Sony won me over this past year, but Microsoft offers such a deal with Game Pass. Sony is going to take you $$ for games. Games that are 'free' with Game Pass.

Also Microsoft didn't acquire all of those new game studios without a plan. Next gen BOTH consoles will be amazing!

ApocalypseShadow1712d ago

It's not **free** and without a consequence. You're going to pay for it eventually. Just like paying for online. It's now REQUIRED to play with others.

Soon, those games you cherish will have an online requirement where you're connected at all times to this service. Just like their failed attempt with DRM 2013. They are just waiting and biding their time while grooming you to accept what they tried before.

Hakuoro1712d ago

Gamepass might have good games but none of them were made by Microsoft.

Saigon1712d ago

Wow never thought about that GP can be DRM 2.0.

arkard1712d ago (Edited 1712d ago )

If you can't seed how game quality will diminish once the source of income is reduced to only gamepass (that is the end goal) instead of also disc sales. If a company gets a flat fee regardless of what game they put out what is the incentive?

343_Guilty_Spark1712d ago (Edited 1712d ago )

Hakuro

Whether they are made by MSFT or not is irrelevant...they have good games perid.

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No Way1712d ago

Zacfoldor - Which you can then buy if you like the game. Idk why everyone ignores the fact that you can buy GamePass games directly from GamePass, (usually, if not always) with a discount.

Or you 'rent' it then buy the physical copy if you like it enough to do so.

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343_Guilty_Spark1712d ago

False narrative that no quality games exist on GamePass.

I got DOOM, Doom Eternal and Indivisible on my list of games currently being played.

1Victor1712d ago

@343 Doom isn’t a example of quality game 😂🤦🏿

yomfweeee1712d ago

But you can't deny the quality of the first party titles have gone down since GP. I think that's the point here.

ginsunuva1711d ago

You just false narrative'd that he false narrative'd.

King_Noctis1712d ago (Edited 1712d ago )

I can’t believe we still have comments like. Seriously, do you play game only on one platform? You never bother to check what’s on Gamepass at all? Or you just pretend to be ignorant?

Saigon1712d ago

I have GP, its ok; not OMG awesome like most make it out to be.

CaptainObvious8781711d ago

I think it's very ignorant to pretend MS is going to continue to keep paying publishers large sums of money to get half decent 3rd party games on there.

And if you think MS aren't going to rush out their own 1st games, half finished and riddled with MTs, well that's just more ignorance.

King_Noctis1711d ago

“ And if you think MS aren't going to rush out their own 1st games, half finished and riddled with MTs, well that's just more ignorance.”

Were games like Gears Tactics, Ori 2, and Flight Simulator “half finished” ?

DEEHULK881712d ago

THE GAMES AREN'T EXCLUSIVE TO GAMEPASS. YOU CAN BUY THE DMN GAME IF YOU WANT TO. IF YOU HAVE NEVER USED GAMEPASS PLEASE STOP SPEAKING ON IT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS SILLY.

Phoenix761712d ago

WHY BOTHER BUYING GAMES AT ALL IF THEY ARE ON GAMEPASS!
Stop saying you can buy them to "support the devs" if you want. Because only fools pay for the same product twice. Especially when first time round your paying penny's to MS first. Let's at least be real about this eh?

DEEHULK881712d ago

Every game released doesn't come to Gamepass idt. The third-party games don't stay on there and you can get the games on there for a 20 percent discount if you choose to buy them. I have to to quit responding to nonsensical post from people that have never used Gamepass anywhere, It just getting ridiculous

Hakuoro1712d ago (Edited 1712d ago )

The irony of the fact they you needed to say this in all caps and don't understand that it's Greenberg who is the one who is saying that buying games doesn't matter if they are on gamepass isn't lost on me...

It's Greenberg who is downplaying buying games...

DEEHULK881712d ago

Hakuro
Of course he is trying to sale a service, so that's nothing unusual, but it doesn't change the fact that any game on Gamepass can be bought if you choose to do so.

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MadLad1711d ago (Edited 1711d ago )

Gears 4/5/tactics, Halo: MCC, Forza, Outer Worlds, Wasteland 3, Ori, Plague Tale, and many other games say yes.

RgR1711d ago

How's wasteland 3 on a controller? I can't stand controls on rpg top downs for console

MadLad1711d ago (Edited 1711d ago )

@rgr

Only have gamepass for PC.
Never really play with controller.

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Blastoise1712d ago

I'd be surprised if this doesn't translate to "Yes we're raising our next gen prices like everyone else"

ziggurcat1712d ago

That's likely what that means, yes.

phoenixwing1712d ago

pretty much what you're saying is true blastoise. It also translates to "buy game pass if you don't like our prices"

Popsicle1712d ago (Edited 1712d ago )

“We have a product for people who aren’t able to get some form of connectivity.” “It’s called the Xbox 360.”

crazyCoconuts1712d ago

to me it just seems like more aggressive Game Pass marketing - Implying that everything you could ever want to play will be on Game Pass, which is of course not true for many if not all of us.

CrimsonWing691712d ago

You know Xbox will be doing $70 it’s an industry standard. They didn’t stop when games jumped from $50 to $60.

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Sirk7x1711d ago (Edited 1711d ago )

Part of the strategy in raising prices is to convince people to move to said service platforms instead.

badz1491711d ago

Yes and I hope there will be no hypocrites here willing to defend MS while crucifying Sony for the $70 price tag

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Silly gameAr1712d ago

I'm sure it matters to the people making the game, unless they've been money hatted properly, or have a bare bones game full of MT's.

Aaron acting like the pro consumer good guy so he can promote "smart delivery", game pass, and last gen and AA games. I hope people see through it.

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Phil Spencer Teases 2026 As A "Really Special Year" For Xbox

2026 will mark the 25th anniversary of Xbox, and Phil Spencer has teased it as a "really special year" for the games division.

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TheEroica4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

You got downvotes by pathetic gamers for feeling hopeful about good games coming out next year. Imagine how small your brain must be to downvote someone excited for future gaming joy? It is pretty neat to see people's world view blow up in front of them as they realize Microsoft has put themselves in a driver's seat that Sony hasn't been able to touch all generation.... What's even more pathetic is the same people downvoting you are the same people wishlisting Microsoft games on their ps5s 😂

P_Bomb3d ago

“Imagine how small your brain must be to downvote someone excited for future gaming joy?”

My dude your post history shits on EVERYTHING. You never have a good thing to say about anything lol! 🤣

PanicMechanic3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

“Getting ready for those GaaS reveals! Sony is a shadow of themselves this gen.”

You literally said this a couple of days ago. Start applying the clown make up, you hypocritical jester

derek3d ago

Yep we'll see, they have alot releasing next year.

RaidenBlack3d ago

NGL, next year might be one of the best years in gaming ... starting off with RE9 and GTA VI ...
and then all the good games that's been cooking
Pragmata, Sands of Time, Saros, Gears E-Day, 007 First Light, Blood of Dawnwalker,
Mortal Shell II, Onimusha, Marvel1943: Rise of Hydra
current-gen only Infinity Ward's CoD, Duskbloods
+ My guess: Wolverine, Exodus, Mudang, Crimson Desert, Clockwork etc ...
~ seems like it might get too stacked

1Victor3d ago

@rokos:”Hopefully “
I downvoted you not for been hopeful but because I have seen the same “NEXT YEAR WILL BE SPECIAL “ comment for the last 10+ and hasn’t seen anything special from Microsoft.
I hope next year will be the one that everyone been waiting for since the last 3 years of the Xbox 360, it have to be after over $80 billions spent on acquisitions.

Lightning773d ago

So the new excuse is they don't count because it's from the ABK now huh. I guess all those 3rd party games count even less because they don't own them. According to your always crappy logic.

InUrFoxHole3d ago

Lol. You haven't seen anything special? Do you even game?

OtterX4d ago

Always with the "next year..."! 😂

neutralgamer19924d ago

I don't know they have delivered this year and even last year. And they have a lot more content in the pipeline right now than anyone else. We can't just keep hating on MS

Indiana Jones
South of midnight
Avowed
Flight simulator
Hell Blade 2
Minecraft update
Gears of war reloaded
Indian Jones:expansion
Gears E day
Clockwork revolution
Fable
Doom the dark ages
The outer worlds 2
Grounded 2
Call of duty

OtterX4d ago

How many of those titles were just buyouts of companies that were going about making their games anyways? *Throws cash - "Oh look what we made!"

dveio4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

This list, that's been posted again, and again, and again in every single topic like this, contains almost nothing, literally almost nothing from Microsoft's own creational thoughtprocess.

It's a bunch of former 3rd party IPs.

Now even slowly returning to Playstation in some cases like Indiana, Hellblade, probably Starfield soon too, after they were made exclusively to Xbox on purpose.

Due to Microsoft's lack for own IP material except Halo & Forza. Which, the lack of, was the sole reason for all of it to happen in the first place anyway. Please don't pretend it wasn't.

And just look at all the games that come from Obsidian alone.

You really think Obsidian wasn't already working on Avowed and South of Midnight even without Microsoft buying Zenimax?

Microsoft delivered nothing but cheques.

OtterX4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

@dveio THIS. Lol, this dude thinks Call of Duty wouldn't exist without Microsoft! smh 😂

neutralgamer19924d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Common narrative I see often — that Microsoft shouldn’t get credit for the games its studios release because they “just bought them.” But this viewpoint ignores key context and sets a double standard that other platform holders aren’t held to

No one is saying these games wouldn't exist at all without Microsoft. But let’s not pretend that having a trillion-dollar company backing a studio doesn’t make a massive difference. Obsidian never had AAA funding before the Xbox acquisition. Pillars of Eternity was crowdfunded, and their resources were always stretched thin. Now they’re working on Avowed, with proper support behind it.

Ninja Theory’s Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice was made by around 20 people, using borrowed equipment and doing mocap in a boardroom. It was a passion project held together by tape and willpower. Today, Hellblade II exists because they were given resources, time, and freedom — something many developers don’t get unless they’re owned by a company that believes in their vision.

ZeniMax (Bethesda’s parent company) was in real financial trouble before the Microsoft acquisition. Reports and insider accounts have pointed out how much they needed a cash infusion. And while some people want to write off Xbox’s ownership of Bethesda titles, they forget the alternative could have meant layoffs or even closures.

The same goes for Activision Blizzard. Would you really prefer the company to stay under Bobby Kotick, after all the documented workplace misconduct and toxic leadership issues? Say what you want about Microsoft, but their acquisition brought accountability and change to a company that desperately needed it.

At the same time, Xbox gets hated on for doing what every major company does. Sony bought Housemarque, Bluepoint, Insomniac — but no one says Spider-Man 2 “doesn’t count” because of that. Why does Xbox get treated differently for acquiring struggling or undervalued developers and giving them a chance to thrive?

And the idea that Xbox locks games away is outdated. They're pushing cross-platform releases, cloud gaming, Game Pass, and backward compatibility more than any other platform holder. They're not forcing all studios into live service. If anything, their upcoming lineup is less GAAS-heavy and more focused on narrative and creativity — Avowed, South of Midnight, Clockwork Revolution, Fable, Perfect Dark, Towerborne, and others show real variety.

Whether people like it or not, Xbox is now the biggest publisher in the industry and owns the most gaming IPs. But what matters more is how they treat their studios. Most of these teams were previously stuck making AA games with limited scope — now they’re getting the tools and support to aim higher.

So when people say “Microsoft didn’t make those games,” they’re missing the point. It’s not about who started the studio — it’s about who enabled them to do their best work. You don’t have to love Xbox to admit they’ve helped a lot of developers and are taking a player-first approach.

Instead of writing off everything they do, maybe try recognizing the good they’re doing for both devs and gamers. At the end of the day, we should want more studios to succeed — no matter who owns them

BeHunted4d ago

I'm surprised Clockwork Revolution (BioShock meets Dishonored) isn't getting more media attention. The game looks interesting and reminds me of the old RPG games.

anast4d ago

The only good game on that list is Flight sim. The rest are either average or will be average. It's not a good look for MS.

TheEroica4d ago

My god.... Look how many comments are upset about microsoft's successes... 😂 This may be my new favorite thread. Not one gamer saying thanks for all the goodness coming their way, just bitter anger and downvoting the very games they themselves will purchase throughout 2026.... Sony really worked you guys over this generation.... Condolences.

DivineHand1254d ago

@neutralgamer1992 You said what needed to be said.

I have heard for years from older gamers that fanboys are the biggest issue with any fanbase. They will defend or gloss over negative news as long as the correct logo is on the box and they bash the competing platform no matter how much good they are trying to bring.

Right now their advocacy for PlayStation is elevating that platform so high that Sony no longer believes they need to do anything to satisfy their loyal fanbase like they did in the PS4 days.

I just hope most of them will eventually start advocating for themselves and encourage others to do the same. No one should blindly support one platform because these companies do not care about anything other than profit.

neutralgamer19924d ago

Hunted

And first proper game done by the studio with proper AAA budget and saying it will be released when ready

Anast

I believe we went through this before that you are objectively wrong. Meta critic, user reviews, game sales. In Playstation top 10 best selling games were 5 from Microsoft studios

Otter

No this dude is saying so many other studios wouldn't be thriving without MS money and people would be getting abused physically and mentally with Bobby kotick and his side kicks

Also maybe look up how the original founder of Bethesda and zenimax was kicked out of his own company by his best friend lawyer. So that was always a shady place and had been struggling financially before MS paid a premium of almost 7 billion

Eroica

I use to be a die hard Playstation fan and now I only have a Pc. I see how these fans are so toxic. They just can't handle any positive news regarding Xbox. When the best selling games on playstation are Xbox titles. Look at Forza horizon being best seller and that's years old game by MS. I guess ms don't deserve credit for that success too since they are the only company in gaming making acquisitions

Forget the fact Sony paid 3.6 billion for bungie and MS 6.9 for zenimax. Which investment has turned out better

Destiny and marathon with a lot of controversy

While zenimax output is nothing short of amazing compared to what bungie has released

crazyCoconuts4d ago

Yeah it's tricky. "Xbox" has morphed to mean different things to different people.
Console, now Windows, GamePass, and the cross platform games. There's a mix of attitudes towards all those things individually, and maybe an overarching attitude towards MS. But can't argue that the game companies MS recently bought continue to flourish, and GamePass PC has been a great value over the last year.

InUrFoxHole3d ago

@OtterX
You're the dude mad at your exes new guy. She's with someone else... get over it.

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Lightning774d ago (Edited 4d ago )

They've had good output so far. So waiting for those games shouldn't be a problem.

Who cares if they're buy outs of companies or whatever excuse you want to make. They're games that are being distributed to other console. Play the games and enjoy it instead of fanboying or complaining.

ocelot074d ago

They going to be a he best and biggest publisher on Xbox, Playstation and PC next year. They not really said anything about Switch 2 though spite claiming to be big supporters.

quenomamen4d ago

If you call making one last Xbox before going full Sega, as Great. Then yea.

TheEroica4d ago

Doesn't feel like you're paying attention to what's happening.

RhinoGamer884d ago

It will be, his net work will hit 50 million and he plans to buy a new mansion in Cape Cod. Thanks everyone! #failup

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The Real Enemy of Gaming Isn’t DEI. It’s the CEO

From Horse Armor to Mass Layoffs: The Price of Greed in Gaming. Inside the decades-long war on game workers and the players who defend them.

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jambola6d ago

maybe a real enemy is people who use terms like "the real enemy"
there can be more than 1 bad thing, t's not like a kids show with 1 big bad

senorfartcushion4d ago

This is very much a “dummy who volunteers themselves to the middle” comment.

The real enemy is a common phrase, people use it all the time.

Calm down.

jambola4d ago

i'm very calm
you seem very upset however

Notellin4d ago

You don't seem calm at all. Don't take this so seriously, you seem desperate responding to others defending your opinion that lacks any value or critical thought.

jambola4d ago

stop projecting
i'm not desperately dong anything, i'm tapping at keys on my keyboard bud

PapaBop4d ago

It's not like kids show with one bad guy? I present to you.. Bobby Kotick

ABizzel14d ago (Edited 4d ago )

DEI was never the problem and it was an ignorant take to begin with.

DEI is why games like Kena Bridge of Spirits, South of Midnight, and Ghost of Tsushima exist.

DEI is why we have a huge resurgence in Japanese, Chineses, and Korean developers producing games like Stellar Blade, Black Myth, and why Nintendo & Sony exist.

DEI is why more and more games have HUGE accessibility options with both Sony and MS fully behind this.

DEI was never a bad thing, the entire purpose of DEI is representation of all people, genders, disabilities, etc…

The problem was people used DEI as a default derogatory term to describe what they believed was forced representation, which allowed colorist, racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, and xenophobic fools to run away with the negative DEI narrative.

jambola3d ago

you don't get to decide other people's motivations
sorry to break it to you

ABizzel12d ago (Edited 2d ago )

To each their own, however, nothing you said invalidates why some people take offense to DEI incorrectly.

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Sciurus_vulgaris6d ago

Executives seem to often have an obsession with perpetual revenue growth. There is always a finite amount of consumers for a product regardless of growth. Additionally, over investment is another serious issue in gaming.

Killer2020UK4d ago

The fact that they also rarely have any real expertise in game development compounds things. They'll look at what's been successful elsewhere, lack the knowledge to properly understand why they have been successful and then force a team to 'reproduce' their badly interpreted idea of that success.

We see it so often with sequels to games that were successful too. The team are left well alone, they have a break through hit and all of sudden the money men descend on the IP and completely railroad the dev team's ideas. Usually winds up being 'make the same game but MORE'

LoveSpuds4d ago

This is true throughout all of the corporate and public sector organisations to be honest. CEO's generally move amongst the corporate world without any need to have experience of a particular industry, they simply need to rely on their senior leadership credentials. A CEO of a retail giant will just as easily transition to a CEO role in the energy sector for example.

Not defending CEOs here to be clear, I think it's a huge part of the reason the western world is so fucked up. CEOs don't need to care about the sector they work in, in fact it's better if they don't care if they want to screw everyone to make profits.

GhostScholar4d ago

Companies don’t hire executives to break even. If the goal is breaking even then why start the company in the first place.

Soy4d ago

That's understood; it's getting record profits and expecting to always beat those record profits, and seeing anything less as a total failure. Then they lay people off and raise prices to reach those record profit levels again, just to sate shareholders. It's setting expectations way too high just to spike share prices, then inevitably falling short. It's feeling entitled to being more successful than everyone else. It's the CEOs doing all this to boost their own bonuses.

ABizzel14d ago

Growth benefits the company’s profits and therefore the company’s stock if publicly traded, which pleases the shareholders making them more and more rich, which is why Growth is always at the forefront of the vast majority of any publicly traded company.

More growth = More Money and the people at the top want all the money they can get. I can’t really blame them anyone would love to see their profits go from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, to multi-millions it’s almost like a gambling addiction.

But it also goes to show someone how morals can go out the window for a lot of these people, and how amazing some CEOs are when they catch this early and provide a balance solution that takes complete care of their employees across the board while keeping the business sustainable IE: Insomniac Games ALWAYS on the best places to work list. The rest of the industry could learn.

jambola6d ago

honestly, the "real" enemy of gaming, is ourselves
if nobody bought horse armor, shitty dlc would have died almost overnight
if we stood firm and nobody bought games from companies that were bad with layoffs, it would be solved
we're the idiots supporting awful business practices, we are the ones enouraging it

TiredGamer5d ago

I think the reality that we don't want to convince ourselves of is that without the rise of "horse armor" and DLC, game budgets would have essentially stagnated (smaller teams/smaller games), or game prices would have risen much more dramatically than they have. There was an incessant drive for bigger worlds, infinite detail, and hundreds of hours of "gameplay" over the last two decades, that while perhaps a natural evolution of things, needed a suitable funding stream to accomplish.

HyperMoused4d ago

What...CEOs make tens of millions and that doesnt include SLT etc etc...we now have multiple editions of games, in game currency, MT's, battle passes.....and what do we get..worse game than what was coming out 20 years ago....dont drink the cool aid, its this nickel and dime crap that is absolutely leading us to gaming destruction.

senorfartcushion4d ago

This is the worst possible answer to this conundrum. Blaming the masses is blaming the only people who are constantly “told” to buy.

Consumers are the only ones not to blame here. People make their own choices all the time. Disney movies are bombing and DEInis being blamed. Has that been enough to put Disney out of business? No and it never will.

Christopher4d ago

Disagree. Businesses are able to do what they do because people are bad consumers and don't think critically about purchases. Disney got away with doing shit stuff for years and it's just the last year where people got tired of it. It's not like it didn't work for 5 years or so for Disney to do the things they've done. They'll just move onto another way to get people to see movies and it will be just as bad but more profitable until people wake up and realize it.

TiredGamer4d ago

Consumerism drives business behavior. It's not so much "blaming" as it is observing behavior. The point I'm making is that the direction that games have gone are driven by the spending. Consumers are spending on DLC and they are driving the expectation of more glitz and padded out (lengthier) games. If they continue to pay, they will continue to drive that direction until a threshold is reached that forces a change in behavior.

senorfartcushion4d ago

Corporate advertising is the most powerful force on the planet.

This is N4G for god sake, every day there are arguments between people who are Team Xbox and Team PlayStation because they’ve been convinced that having an identity built on paying money to Sony and Microsoft matters more than having one as individual gamers who can play whatever they want.

And THEN we get to the corporate advertising part: to play whatever you want is to sink MORE into the advertising pits, making it so that you can more than one specific product.

jambola4d ago

ah you're right
they were told to buy it, it's clearly impossible to avoid that
if enough people stopped supporting, it would stop
disney not stopping would only be because enough people didn't stop

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victorMaje4d ago

Agreed. I’ve been saying for years, announce you won’t be buying the upcoming game because of the practices of the previous game, then you only have to stick to your guns once, see how quickly things change for the better.

We have to unite in what we shouldn’t purchase.

jambola4d ago

just imagine a world, fifa came out worse, nobody buys the next one until they see proof it's better and stick to it
or games being forced online for single player and nobody buys it
things would change so fast

HyperMoused4d ago

Just like scooby doo, you have shown us the real monsters are us

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Inverno5d ago

Greed and greedy people have and always will be the main issue for everything wrong in the world. Everything is a product to be exploited for monetary gain. Even when there are things that could help progress us along for the sake of making our lives easier that thing must be exploited for monetary gains. Anything that tells you otherwise is propaganda to make you complicit.

coolfool5d ago

I've never thought "DEI" (although the way most people use it doesn't match it's real definition) is the problem with games. Good games have continued to be good when they have a diverse cast, and likewise, bad games have continued to be bad. There isn't a credible example I've seen where a diverse cast has been the direct cause of a game being bad.

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