Everyone is talking about Metal Gear Solid remake for PS5 and PC, but where's Twin Snakes, the GameCube remake that improved so much of the original.
Boy oh boy, I love twin snakes. It was everything I wanted in a remake.
Twin Snakes was awful in comparison to the original .... was like a chinese copy of Metal gear for kids the article is a blasphemy to the original legendary Kojima -made game
Considering Kojima’s heavy involvement with the game I would say he is okay with it...and so am I..
Kojima made Twin Snakes. Every change implemented in that game is also part of Kojima's vision, just FYI. Not saying it's good, but it's his vision nonetheless.
Lol Kojima made that game. He was the designer and producer of the game.
As echoed above, it's not only factual but quite clear that Kojima directed it. Every following game in the series has the same "for kids" action and tone. It's what he wanted to begin with, but was reined in by hardware limitations. It's not fine art, it's schlocky Tom Clancy with a dash of X-Files conspiracy beats, by way of John Woo (and we love it). Take off the rose tinted glasses for a minute.
Wrong, MGS:TS improved upon every aspect of the original. Nothing about it was any more "kiddy" than what we saw in future MGS games, most notably MGS3, which was plain cartoonish.
@ all the above ...Twin Snakes is not made by Kojima end of story ...get your facts straight ...has only his production approval ..it was made by the request of Nintendo to Konami to remake the game for gamecube and was given to different director and development team !! ....
George Lucas also trashed multiple Star Wars re-releases. It's a matter of opinion but I would say the majority of people that know those movies prefer the originals that weren't fiddled with. So saying Kojima greenlit all the cut scenes means he might have liked the changes but it doesn't mean his later work on the game was any better than the earlier work. I thought the Twin Snakes was a great remake, still own it, but I much prefer the tone of the original PlayStation game. That is the one that should be remastered and as faithfully as possible.
Just looked at the case back, it specifies that the remake was directed by Hideo Kojima. As for being "for kids", TS was far more violent and gory than the original. The hallway scene with Grey Fox was one of the most brutal scenes in video game history. I keep hearing people rag on the game but in all these years since its release, have yet to see one person actually explain why it is worse than the original. Always just "it sucks" "its an insult to the original" etc, with no facts to support it. Seems like just butthurt from Sony Fanboys, over it being GC exclusive.
"Considering Kojima’s heavy involvement with the game" He was barely involved with it. It was co-developed by Silicon Knights and directed by someone else. Kojima was busy working on MGS3 at the time and didn't want to get too involved with side projects so he was only supervising it from afar. But you do have a point that he's okay with it. As I said, he did supervise it so he had to give the ridiculous cutscenes a greenlight at some point. Hell maybe he blocked a couple ideas that were even more ridiculous than what we got and (fortunately) never saw the light of day.
I didn't like the Hollywood/Bollywood bs action scenes they added in comparison to the more down to earth original. I'm not saying it's a bad game in its own but I doubt anything will ever top the original MGS.
Twin Snakes took an amazing story about a soldier and turned it into a ridiculous Japanese Anime about a superman who can jump 30 feet into the air, kick a missile with his foot to reroute it back to the Hind D. This was the most childish, ridiculous, Japanese Anime thing I've ever seen. Completely ruined the original which was mysterious and grounded in reality with subtle supernatural power like a psychic with telekinesis and a man who can withstand super cold temperatures. They turned it into a parody of itself. Asian commercials all look that ridiculous and it completely jumped the shark of stupidity.
Twin snakes is amazing , still play it now and again . I bought a GameCube for 3 games only this , Resi Remake and Eternal Darkness.
..ANY remaster/remake of the 1998 Metal Gear Solid game, I`m gonna be all over it!
Yea ... I would ask for a proper Remake and in Fox Engine, please (Konami might replace it with UE). But can Bluepoint make it? Their Remakes are really good but this requires a RE2 Remake approach.
The first person camera broke Twin Snakes.
Play with no radar on the hardest mode without being caught or killing anyone. Good luck with how "easy" that is.
You're talking difficulty setting. I'm talking specifically about a gameplay mechanic. There's a difference.
Yup... MGS2 gameplay did not work in MGS1. You could just enter an area, go to fps and hit every guard with a trank and just waltz completely unopposed.
This. It breaks the whole Gray Fox office fight.
Nah, I'd rather have a full blown remake. The GC version is fun, but some aspects broke the game. (First person aiming)
Metal Gear 1 and 2 are the ones that need a remake. A lot of people don’t even know they exist.
If any Metal Gear game should be rereleased it should be MGS4 & MGR:R
Twin Snakes was NOT better than the original... The re-recorded dialog was not on par with the original (some actors sounded tired, some where changed and some lines were changed for some reason.) Example: the death of Pyscho Mantis. Original "This is the first time I've used my powers to help someone else. It feels kind of..... Nice." Twin Snakes: "This is the first time I've used my powers to help someone else. Such a nostalgic feeling." The MGS2 gameplay broke the game and made it too easy. The addition of the tranquilizer gun and the first person view made it so that you could just put everyone to sleep immediately when you start an area and just walk about like it's nothing. Then there's the Hollywood Matrix cutscenes. Snake jumping, bouncing of a missile from the Hind D, then doing a back flip and shooting a stinger was just ridiculously over the top. The only real improvement Twin Snakes had over the original was the visuals.
Thank you, and spot on. Twin Snakes doesnt come close to the original.
I don't get why they don't just simply add the visuals from Twin Snakes to the original. The work is already done, the rest is just debugging and editing. Gateway MT6706 2008
I wouldn't get either, but I see why someone would.
You'd be a fool to prefer a remaster over a remake.
TL;DR Twin Snakes is bad. I'd rather get a remaster or a straight-up port of the original than Twin Snakes. The only things it "improved" on the original were features from MGS2 and they clashed with MGS1's level design. The framerate kept dropping below 30FPS, reinforcement requests were always cut-off mid-sentence by the alert phase whenever you were spotted. Ridiculous acrobatics and physics aside, Snake is always stiff in cutscene and moves like a douchebag. You can tell they weren't allowed to change dialog (too much, they still did in places) because his motions often feel out of place or straight up exaggerated. I mean there's that time in the original where he lifts up Otacon by the collar and screams at him in his face and that other time I think he grabs him through the bars in his cell but that's the extent of Otacon's abuse. In TTS he just constantly tosses him around like a doll like he just wants to prove he's tough or whatever. And there's that "funny" moment where he pulls a gun on the armstech president because he forgot Meryl's frequency. MGS1 has fourth wall breaks, yes but this one felt like it came out of a cartoon. Also, I don't think it qualifies as a fourth wall break at all. And then there's the small changes in dialog like "If you lose, you're dog food" vs the original's "If you lose, you're worm food." The dog food one is just weird. I guess wild dogs can eat corpses but that's not the first creature that pops to mind when I think of a scavenger. This one is probably more of a "I played the original first so it's better" but the music in the original was IMO a lot better and served to build the game's atmosphere. You had music in codec calls at times in MGS1 but that was completely removed in TTS. And finally, Naomi's voice acting is way WAY off in this. If you've played, you obviously know that she secretly hates Snake and was planning a revenge on him. But in TTS she sounds pissed at him from the beginning. Her dialog is unchanged but this time around she sounds dry and angry. At times she even just sounds like she's reading directly from her script.
I can assure you, no matter which game you played first, the original's soundtrack shits all over the remake's soundtrack. The controls are better in the original. The voice acting is better in the original. The original is 10/10 and I'm about to complete it for the 14th time. As for Twin Snakes, I got around 30% of the way through, and became bored of it. That tells you everything you need to know.
I see it as the original being the 'true' story and Twin Snakes being the story that gets told. If any game deserves a remake/remaster, it's the original snes games
Metal Gear never released on the SNES.
Whoops, my bad. You're right. I meant to say the Nes.
Yer twin snakes was not anywhere near as good as the original.
Twin Snakes is terrible compared to the original. No thanks.
wel..nothing really needs a remake..but it'd be nice. i'd say metal gear solid is high up the list on remakes i want. mgs3 specifically.
Only thing about a Twin Snakes re release though is that it would only be on Switch. And no way im buying a Switch for one game as no other Switch game interests me. Ill stick with my gamecube version.
Even by Metal Gear Solid standards, Twin Snakes was way too much over the top. I mean, Snake jumping over the HIND D missile? I mean come on, that's jumping the shark right there.
Not only that, he tip toes on the missile as I recall it 😂 Twin Snakes also messed up the timing of the sound/music, loosing out on some emotional scenes from the original. The ending of the Sniper Wolf battle is an example of that.
Love Twin Snakes would love to see an HD remaster or remake.
Hells yes! That was an amazing remake back in the day! It was the whole reason I got a GameCube
I did like the added moves in Twin snakes, however nearly every cutscene was ruined by making snake do silly things like in Anime. Examples like running on top of the missle in HIND fight, and all the back flips in Ocelot fight. I was suprised that he didnt just jump down the tower and land in a superhero landing instead of abseiling. It was just too much and broke immersion.
Day 1 buy if there was a remake
Twin Snakes was nice looking, but everything else was bad. The orchestral score replaced with techno was a major error.
Twin Snakes I enjoyed except for the Naomi voice actor phoning it in. I liked the over-the-top cutscenes.
I'd buy it
MGS 1 is one of the greatest games of all time. I'm currently doing my 14th playthrough of the game right now. I'm about to beat it tomorrow night in fact. It has a couple of small rough spots, but over all worthy of all the praise its has received throughout the years. Twin Snakes on the other hand, I haven't even completed it once. I just can't stand it. Has nothing to do with the cut-scenes (even though I don't like them), its mostly about the controller and the control layout. Drives me crazy since I'm so used to the original controls, changing them breaks my muscle memory and ruins the experience. Voice acting is worse. Writing is worse. Cut-scenes are worse. Controls are worse. Boss battles are worse (the tank battle drove me crazy due to the AI scripting). Graphics are worse than PS2 MGS2. And I can not stress this enough, the music is terrible compared to the amazing soundtrack of the original! People saying that "Kojima directed it" have no understanding what they're talking about, it'd be impossible. He was busy working on MGS 3, and the game was developed by Silicon Knights, NOT Kojima Productions. Its literally on the game box. One day, I will beat Twin Snakes (maybe?), but tomorrow, I'll be completing MGS 1 for the 14th time, and loving every second of it. MGS 1 should never be forgotten, but Twin Snakes? Let's move on from that one.
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