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Is Ghost of Tsushima historically accurate? We ask a samurai expert

TSA writes: "Ghost of Tsushima‘s Jin Sakai is a badass. This one-man army is single handily capable of fighting off an entire Mongol Horde in Sucker Punch’s newest PlayStation exclusive. Not since Colonel John Matrix gunned down an entire battalion of cover-hating soldiers in 1985’s Commando has one man killed so many with such effortless ease.'

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ArchangelMike1742d ago

I enjoyed the article - but I have to say that I know that Sukcer Puch actually went to Japan to Tsushima island and had consultation with actual Japanese historians and Samurai experts on what was going into the game. So yeah, not just going to throw all their research in the bin - obviously they want the game to be fun, but they did do their research.

Nitrowolf21742d ago

they released an official commentary with the deluxe edition. They heavily consulted with Sony Japan and even brought in expert, but obviously they have been open about this not being accurate. I mean this should be obvious right from the start considering what really happened on Tsushima.

WelkinCole1740d ago

lol! Why I am enjoying this game kicking Mongols ass. Not being racist but if there is one empire in history I really don't like its the Mongols. Not just because of how brutal they were but because of of the knowledge we lost because of them. If people think ISIS is bad. These folks were way worse.

Army_of_Darkness1740d ago

If I want accuracy I'll read a book about it. Not play a video game for fun and enjoyment.

rainslacker1741d ago

It's going to be embellished for narrative effect. From what I understand, it also takes a lot of Japanese culture from different time periods and combines them into this one. The Mongolian invasion did indeed happen, but no one person, or clan, drove them off. I think the protagonist and antagonist are also fictional.

I think if they had made a more accurate recounting of those historical events, then most people wouldn't even call it a samurai game. Samurai, and even Mongolians, used different types of weapons or armor in the 13th century, and from what I understand, Samurai fought from horseback more than hand to hand on foot.

In the end, it's a piece of fiction, using commonly understood things about Samurai and Japanese culture. It isn't doing this to misrepresent them, but rather to celebrate them. It doesn't get all the finer details right, but it creates an interesting and entertaining narrative, and in this case, a game.

If we really want to get into the topic of cultural appropriation, and if these things need to be accurate, we need to also accept that the majority of popular Japanese media on these matters also greatly misrepresents the long history of Samurai, and more so Ninja, because it's either cool, or because it's more entertaining. but the core values of those things is kept in place, and general culture tends to be highly valued within their media to the point of being almost preachy. They take their history and heritage seriously, but also can appreciate the value of entertainment.

RgR1740d ago

No game gets the finer details of any topic right. Nothing is 100% realistic and true to life in videogames. Western culture which is quite a broad statement gets so many things wrong in videogames when it goes to other countries. Not to mention all the historical inaccuracies in recent games for the sake of diversity.

rainslacker1740d ago

Real life is often boring. Even the interesting stuff. More often than not they kind of lump all the stuff into a more concise narrative, even though a lot of things are spread out over years, or sometimes different people

sprinterboy1741d ago

A local paper on the island wrote a article also when they were taking pictures and getting info without realising the journalist might have unintentionally leaked the game from the very beginning. The devs shit themselves when they found out but luckily nobody ever noticed

NecrumOddBoy1742d ago (Edited 1742d ago )

It's cool that Ghost of Tsushima is driving people to dive into Japanese history and watch Akira Kurawasa films but using this as a critical jumping-off point to talk about appropriation and the authority of devs to create games is getting old fast. I really don't remember past Assasin's Creed games getting the "is this historically accurate" criticism. But in 2020, I have seen several posts talking about how Ubi is misrepresenting the nations of that time and who the Vikings were. This is an arm of cancel culture is and it's a detriment to free expression, art, and creativity. This game is attacked for having an American dev team. Ubi also is getting trashed by some journos for using non-Hispanic V/O actors in Far Cry 6. Battlefield had its controversy of women in combat. The Witcher 3 and Kingdom Come: Deliverance were attacked for their lack of minorities but a lack of minorities would be historically accurate in that region/time period. RE5 was forced to add whites and Asians into an African tribal setting which is historically inaccurate. Hell, the Korean devs are changing the "tribal" offensiveness in Little Devil Inside after being attacked and called white supremacist. Horizon was attacked and called cultural offensive as well.

This is not a healthy ideology and I really see a little more of Orwellian destruction of our freedoms every day.

lukasmain1742d ago (Edited 1742d ago )

It's blatantly disgusting and should be actively repelled by creators and studios alike. Do not pander to these people. Mostly it's white people on the left that are saying these things, whereas Famitsu gave Ghost of Tsushima four perfect 10 scores. Not to mention the 'sold out' pre-orders of the physical versions from the public. They love Ghost Of Tsushima in Japan, but white leftists say it's offensive and cultural appropriation. Obviously not all leftists, but a significant portion on the left that are a screaming vocal minority and won't seem to shut up. They're power hungry with their virtue signalling. It's sick.

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franwex1741d ago

You guys have a great point! But weren’t a lot of people angry when Battlefield V added women soldiers-due to it breaking immersion because there were no women soldiers during WW2?
To the point that DICE said pretty much stated what you said: if it offends you don’t buy it?
It’s not just the left, the right gets pretty vocal about small creative stuff that they find offensive. Both groups are ultra annoying and the right can just as annoying as the left regarding creativity.

Granted Battlefield V is a trash game regardless, so no big loss there.

My stance is that game creators can create any world that they want without compromise- and should be able to without any need for pandering to sensitive people.

jznrpg1740d ago

I don’t think it’s leftists it’s just people who hate on Sony games in general

Silly Mammo1740d ago

Both sides have their extremes. Remind me again who was doing all the hand wringing over the inclusion of LBGQT characters in the TLou 2?

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WelkinCole1740d ago

It goes both ways unfortunately. For the majority and for personally. I really wish SJW and anti SJW can go jump and leave gaming alone. Most of us just want to play great games.

franwex1740d ago

The anti SJW has become what they were annoyed the most by.

A bunch of overly-sensitive cry babies.

gerbintosh1740d ago (Edited 1740d ago )

And here we always thought the government would be the ones to censor the people. No need for them to when we do it to ourselves

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haku1741d ago

The game, outwardly declaring itself to be inspired by Kurosawa films, is clearly based more on Japanese period dramas/films (jidaigeki) than real history, and Japanese period dramas really obviously don't care about how "authentic" things are. They don't use historical stuff, they go with what's been codified in the genre of period films, mixing and matching what audiences like or are used to. There are tons of period films set in the Edo period but you'll pretty much never see any where the women have blackened teeth, history be damned, because modern audiences don't want to see that stuff. It's a stylised genre to begin with, and the so-called experts complaining about how the helmets are from the wrong era and so on are obviously missing the entire point.

rainslacker1741d ago (Edited 1741d ago )

Almost all representations of Samurais are from time periods later than when this game is set. Even other media which shows these older historical events, or stories that take place in those times don't usually accurately show the social make up of feudal Japan, or how it was interconnected with the varying classes of warriors or soldiers. In some ways it glorifies groups of people to almost god-like status(Ninja's in particular), to the point that many people are completely clueless on any real historical fact, or even any modern day culture that may surround it.

I don't think that's really a bad thing for entertainment though. I know for myself, because of these kinds of things, it has made me more interested in learning the real history behind it, and Japan has nothing if not a rich cultural history. They also tend to keep the core values of Japan's culture and society in tact when showing those things, and Samurai in particular were always raised on a pedestal as paragons of honor, and honor is considered a pillar of Japanese culture and society.

TheHunter811741d ago

There will be some accuracies but in the end this is a game and it’s called fiction.

GrizToof1741d ago

I didn't read the article because I can tell you right now that it is not historically accurate.

monkey6021741d ago

The comparisons can be fun to make though. There a lot of videos on YouTube where experts give the break down of inaccuracies in sword fights / stunts / shoot outs / parkour/ driving etc. You name it and a professional will give their 2 cents. Most of these have fun with that. They won't belittle the subject matter because they know its for entertainment purposes. I'll often look at the truth behind "based on a true story" and it never ruins the material.

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AC Shadows vs. Ghost of Tsushima: Which Title Handles Ancient Japan Better?

Assassin's Creed Shadows' take on Japan might just beat Sucker Punch, but it's closer than you'd think.

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goken22d ago

Ok… so which game got the Japanese pissed off enough to complain about it in the diet (Japanese parliament)?

IAMRealHooman21d ago

ooh i know i know. The one that doesn't have Lead developers honored as permanent tourism ambassadors of a real island used in game

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Yoshida: Ghost Of Tsushima Was First PS 1st-Party Game To Sell 1M In Japan Since Crash 3

Ghost of Tsushima was the first PlayStation first-party title to sell over 1 million copies in Japan, as per former executive Shuhei Yoshida.

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pwnmaster300027d ago

It was a great game.
All my Japanese friends loved it.
I remember I would visit my friend who owned a bar and we will talk about the game and sometimes other Japanese dude will join in. Pretty dope

-Foxtrot27d ago

That’s great and a little hilarious how when it was revealed western journalists tried to give off the impression that it came off racist with it being made by non Japanese developers.

CrimsonWing6926d ago

I hope western culture knocks this sh*t off. F*cking Parasites Eve took place in New York, does that make Square a bunch of racists?

-Foxtrot26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Reminds me of Resident Evil

RE4 - Leon killing infected Spanaids...in Spain

Fine

RE5 - Chris killing infected Africans...in Africa

WHAT THE ACTUAL F*** YOU RACIST PRICKS. HOW COULD YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

MDTunkown26d ago

-Foxtrot
RE5 case it’s not that long ago when foreigners were killing local Africans. Leopold 2, killed millions Africans. So that’s a touchy historical topic. We don’t have any story driven games where you playing as Nazi.

goken26d ago

Somehow the same western journalists said nothing of AC shadows, when some Japanese were so offended they discussed it with their prime minister in the diet (Japanese parliament).

-Foxtrot26d ago

I've never actually thought of this...

They literally got really snarky with Ghost of Tsushima since it's announcement yet with AC Shadows they said absolutely nothing.

Double standards. Was it because it was Ubisoft or what?

Michiel198926d ago

how the f can you say this after literally everyone complains about AC? So you wanna say you checked which outlets did it for ghost "supposedly" and cross referenced them to the AC reviews? very believable

Cacabunga26d ago

western journalism is all about splitting of communities.

1Victor26d ago

Don’t bother with obscured his last 2 brain cells died when he realized ALL NEW XBOX “EXCLUSIVES “ ARE COMING TO PLAYSTATION
It’s so bad he wrote the answer to his IQ leve as a new account, instead of writing iq 6 yeah he wrote YQIA6🤣.
NOW BACK TO THE TOPIC
Everyone knows that Japan lost their relevancy as the source of video games decades ago so it’s no surprise to anyone with 2 brain cells that this would happen now I would like to see any Microsoft exclusive have the courage to say how many units halo sold in Japan or better jet the number of consoles sold in its totality 🤷🏿

senorfartcushion25d ago

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It's a AAA videogame. Western journalists only like and care about these games. It's Yotei that's lroving controversial, for stupid reasons - but it's journalists who are trying to talk that game up.

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Japanese shrine from Ghost of Tsushima bans all tourists after “unforgivable act of disrespect”

The Watazumi Shrine, which has ties to Ghost of Tsushima, has banned all tourists from its sacred grounds following a serious incident.

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jznrpg28d ago

One dumbass ruins it for everyone

Eidolon28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

It was many incidents and defacing that lead to this, a lot of racism(slurs, notes, graffiti, etc.) and disrespect(like littering, dancing in inappropriate places.) Only see reports of incidents involving Eastern Asians.

lukasmain28d ago

Can you explain to me as best you can, what type of incidents and why they would deface it? And who would do it usually and why? Any info you could provide would be greatly appreciated. I know nothing about this or the reasoning

Inverno28d ago

My mind always goes straight to us Yankees, then I'm reminded of how equally full of shite the rest of the world is. Seems most of Japans problems with tourists have been either Chinese or Koreans. Don't talk to me about racism if you can't acknowledge it happens well outside the US.

pwnmaster300028d ago

It’s true. I lived in Japan for many years and know several Japanese and they always say the same thing.
It’s the Chinese and Koreans that give them the most problems. I’m sure Americans have there share also of being annoying but for some reason, Koreans, chineses and Japanese can never get along. Probably due to history.

goken27d ago

It isn’t hard to understand why Koreans and Chinese have issues with the Japanese,
The Japanese basically made some Nazis go: “woah! This is a bit much!”

The Japanese made those responsible Deities in a shrine, refused to acknowledge and properly apologise and proceeded to make themselves look like the victims…

Imagine if the Germans did this, imagine if German made hitller a saint

MeteorPanda27d ago

To be honest....kinda understandable why the koreans and chinese share no love for japan but my mind then asks...why you visiting?

Tapani27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

Been here 15+ years in the last two decades and when I complain to taxi drivers about the foreigners and they always look at my white-ass face like I'm kidding, but soon realize I'm serious. Then we engage in a discussion on how foreigners certainly bring money here and increase the softpower of Japan, but also have the potential to ruin a lot of things. It's always a bit funny, but those of us who live here with a local family stuff like this is unforgivable.

It is very well known it's typically five places (US, China, Korea, Australia, England) where the idiots come from, but it is hard to blame the specific nationalities themselves because statistically they have the largest portion of tourists here.

WelkinCole27d ago

Huh? Chinese tourst are notorious. Not sure where you get the yank stuff from. Americans are known to be loud but are generous. I don't remmeber any incident of any American wirting on things or shitting at special places.

raWfodog28d ago

Never underestimate the depths of human arrogance and stupidity.

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