Microsoft Executive Says Xbox Series X Devs Will Learn to Address PS5 SSD Loading Screen Advantages

The Xbox Series X one major disadvantage against the PS5 is Sony's SSD solution. According to a Micosoft exec, developers forXbox Series X will learn to address it.

[Hakuoro]

"Like that will be the trick and the techniques, and so maybe, I’m just making this up, nut maybe there are elevators in the Xbox version and not the Sony version."

It's nice to see Micrsoft admit the PS5 will be able to do things the SX won't.

[IMissJimRyan]

Despite being granting an advantage to the PS5, the respondent still protects the Series X by summarizing the SSD at load time.

What has been talked about for a long time, and ignored or not understood by a number of people, is that the new generation of consoles makes new game designs possible, impossible without them. Cerny explained this clearly, and The Cherno did a great review as well.

Simplifying the SSD to loading screens means limiting games to the lowest common denominator. It is to defend that the other platforms will limit the developers and that everything is fine.

[fiveby9]

Yes I fully expect many 3rd party studios who develop a title to be played on both consoles will design for lowest common denominator. That will limit data streaming design capabilities to that which the XsX can perform. Sony 1st party will exploit the capabilities of their console more fully and this game design will allow for capabilities not easily enabled in XsX 1st party. Fortunately engines such as UE5 will incorporate platform specific features such as those in PS5. Thus 3rd parties could still use UE5 to exploit the tech. Not all 3rd party games are necessarily written to be available on all platforms. UE5 is just a licensed engine.

[Nitrox]

@uRa
So, you’re really saying PS5 isn’t going to have any improvement in res & fps over the ps4Pro?

Doubtful.

[zeuanimals]

@uRaDecepticon:

Yeah, 1440p 30fps at those insane visual settings that blow every game running at 4K out of the water. We don't know how any other system would handle that same demo, could be better, could be worse. And don't bring up the debunked rumor about a laptop running it.

[crazyCoconuts]

I'm gonna discount this statement as the guy who said it isn't even part of the Xbox team. He's on Hololens and sounds like he's just speculating. He may not even know what either system is capable of...

[caddytrek]

What? It's not that hard to understand. Especially when the context is boiled down to the bare minimum of the SSD's loading speed.

You're discounting it because it's not what you want to hear, not because it's hard to understand.

[crazyCoconuts]

Wow u know what I want to hear?! You're good.
All I'm saying is this guy doesn't have the creds to speak on this subject and for us to take him seriously. If Phil had said this I'd say he's probably foreshadowing reality.

[caddytrek]

Wow, well I'm always surprised when xbox fans call devs liars but I never expected that to extend to Microsoft's own devs.

I guess anytime someone says something inconvenient you can just shut your eyes and cover your ears. But unfortunately for you that doesn't make things untrue.

[hamburgerhill]

Caddy...Funny because it seems Sony only fans are the ones not happy knowing Series X is potentially a more powerful console than the PS5. I'm not saying it is or isn't, but kudos to MS for confirming something already known. Now lets see if Sony admits any advantages the Xbox SX will have. Maybe then you will quit hyping things your dream machine.

[rdgneoz3]

Elevators might work in a closed environment setting (like they had a bit
in FFVII Remake), but not when you're doing an open world game.

Hopefully dev's take advantage of the systems and don't hold them back due to the lowest common denominator.

[Jin_Sakai]

Sony: We give developers what they ask for

MS: We’ll let the developers figure it out

Got it.

[phoenixwing]

That made me laugh irl lol

[stuna1]

Lol.

[Rhythmattic]

Jin_Sakai
Sony: We give developers what they ask for
MS: We’ll let the developers figure it out

ME: Figure out where the chux wipes are to wipe the beer that has soaked my keyboard with the beer that went through my nose...... And its alot......

Agreed or not.. Thats was a pearler in context.

[Yppupdam]

WOW, MS being honest about a difference that they are on the deficit side, I'm actually impressed, Usually they will say anything to prove an advantage, including making things up. Maybe they have grown as a company?

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Tick - Back peddle #1

ms is good at this.

I eonder what the next concession will be.

They already followed suite with a share button.

And as someone said the elimination of loading screens is only part of the advantage.

Good times ahead.

[3-4-5]

Lets see how big of a difference it is.

If "worse case scenario" is 1-2 second loads, I'm ok with it.

It's way better than what we have to deal with now.

I focus on improvements overall from what we have now on XB1 & PS4 to what we will have on XSX & PS5.

[rainslacker]

I think part of what he is talking about is more down to level design, rather than just loading in an entire scene. Hes basically talking about how games mask loading times behind things like elevators, narrow passages, or cut scenes.

But, what Sony is suggesting they can offer is a completely seamless world which doesnt need those things to make it a big world. That kind of thing is going to be considered at the design level.

I do agree with the guy here about how multiplat games will likely still have this stuff...but I think that with multiplat games, were going to see these same things in the ps5 version. There wont be, or will be very few, games that will actually change the level design on such a fundamental base level to accommodate the advantages of the ps4. It wont be the way the guy here suggests, because MS console, and even PC, are going to hold back the stuff talked about here.

Exclusive games can not worry about it, assuming that they have no plans to release on other consoles or pc later.

I also think that for the most part, xsx will be capable enough to allow for more seamless loading using less obvious ways of occlusion like we aee now, but likely wont allow for instantaneous changes to the scene.

[scofios]

What happend to the 12 tera flops beast ?

[Xenial]

That's a BIG nut.

[nowitzki2004]

Dont worry Xbox Series X X will have advantages over PS5 /s

[Zeref]

That was a very basic example he used. He means that devs Would have to do things a bit differently on Xbox and vice versa. That's the nature of having different hardware. Nothing we haven't seen before.

People forget that Xbox has a 110gb/s advantage in RAM speed as well.

That's huge. The differences in load speed will be extremely minimal.

Yall are gonna be in for a rude awakening when the Digital Foundry videos are coming out.

[Hakuoro]

The SX can't load anything until it gets the data from the SSD.

The speed if the SSD is more important for loading than the RAM speed.

The SSD is the start of the chain, RAM is filled from the storage, the PS5's SSD is more than twice as fast as the SX SSD.

The PS5's SSD being so much faster is why he is saying SX may need an elevator when PS5 doesn't.

[Zeref]

@hakuoro

no its not lol.

[RazzerRedux]

"Microsoft Executive Says Xbox Series X Will Learn to Address PS5 SSD Loading Screen Advantages"

lol....that's not what he said. The XSX isn't going to "learn" anything. It is what it is. That's a silly title.

"And so the ability of a game developer to look and say “okay I’m building this game and I want to have seamless transition with no loading screens on PlayStation, but I’m also gonna want to sell on an Xbox, what am I going to do to manage that kind of thing?” Like that will be the trick and the techniques, and so maybe, I’m just making this up, nut maybe there are elevators in the Xbox version and not the Sony version."

What he is really saying is that DEVELOPERS will find ways to work around the differences in hardware. But he is just talking about loading screens and elevators vs no-elevators. It is funny how this guy is now reducing SSD down to just being about "loading screens" when Microsoft has said it is much more than that.

"The CPU is the brain of our new console, and the GPU is the heart, but the Xbox Velocity Architecture is the soul," stated Andrew Goossen, Technical Fellow on Xbox Series X at Microsoft via Xbox Wire. "The Xbox Velocity Architecture is about so much more than fast load times. It's one of the most innovative parts of our new console. It's about revolutionizing how games can create vastly bigger, more compelling worlds."
https://news.xbox.com/en-us...

[Hakuoro]

You can tell Microsoft is getting anxious because they are losing control of the conversation. They want to talk TF's but of course that's not the big revolution in the next gen. The big change is SSD over HDD, and that's the card Sony decided to play.

[mrsolidsteel20]

I think you may be mistaken, we were told by the experts on here (Echo, TimTim, etc) that MS’s machine is vastly superior to the PS5 in almost every way and that’s Sony’s super duper fast SSD is not going to matter because it’s only going to load games 3 to 5 seconds faster than the XSX. ;)

[343_Guilty_Spark]

The level of spin regarding this SSD....

[Hakuoro]

343_Guilty_Spark

I know right.

It's nutz even Microsoft is hyping PS5's SSD.

[The Wood]

343 kilos of pink salt

[Kryptix1]

@343_Guilty_Spark

As a PC gamer with an MVMe and 2.5 inch SSD cards, "this SSD" is not only about reducing loading times, but it will lessen stutters on open world games with 4k textures. Think of it as an add-on to the GPU's memory bandwidth speed, helping it keep up with all the constant loading. Anyone remember Xbox One's PUBG frame rate problem and soupy textures? It helps it prevent that.

Sony is playing their cards right, adding onto their strengths and reducing weaknesses. Have you noticed a lot of PlayStation exclusives have become more open world? Sony is equipping the PS5 to handle that to incredible heights,

In my personal experience, Arma 3 had major stutter problems till I moved it to my SSD from my HDD. Now I imagine Sony is focusing on 4k textures with open world games which is going to be a nice spectacle.

And at least Sony is doing something unique. All Xbox Series X will be is just another very limited mid to high tier PC. At least the PS5 at it's time of release will be a mid to high tier PC with something PC gamers don't have which can make a huge difference.

It's not just about loading times, but Microsoft and robocop here wants you to believe it is.

[xXxSeTTriPxXx]

Ms yet again got caught with they're pants down.

[omegaheat]

I don't think they're getting anxious at all. What I'm seeing is Sony working it's PR magic. This whole SSD hype is the epitome of propaganda. If something keeps getting repeated enough times, it mutates into fact even if it's not true. Sony needed time to address Microsoft's aggressive marketing of the Xbox Series X. Their SSD is the only one up they have. So this is their way of controlling the narrative just like their downplay of Smart Delivery.

[Asuka]

Also dedicated hardware decompression block. Both next gen consoles have this and this is going to greatly increase asset streaming at least from my understanding... Could be wrong though I'm no dev haha. But yeah third-party developers will learn how to optimize their builds for each specific platform. still it's going to be nuts to see what first party is going to be able to do with the ludicrous IO speeds for the PS5

[caddytrek]

Well yeah, but decompression rate is tied to the SSD itself, nothing can be decompressed without being read from the SSD to begin with.

[stuna1]

Your understanding is sufficient, believe me. On the back-end of things PS5 has clear advantages that some simply want to ignore! Think about it from this perspective. PS5's SSD is twice the speed for 1 no matter how someone tries to negate the fact, by saying there will be workarounds! The fact that more steps will be required to accomplish this opens up the discussion of optimazation.

Leaving the SSD talk behind look at PS5's I/O setup, hmmm. That's also faster, developers lately have started to zone in on Cerny's solution for PS5.

Here's another major component that stands out, PS5's 4.0 PCI bus which is a whole generation faster. These things tell a more accurate story as too just how well the PS5 will hold its own. Mind you the PS5's 4.0 PCI bus has 4 channels dedicated specifically too it.

PS5's GPU although clocked lower and therefore is equated to being weaker has 12 channels, 4 of which are dedicated specifically too the PCI.

Still going deeper, the 8 additional CU's surrounding the GPU, each having the strength of the jaguar chipset in the PS4.

These are just some the things that some like to gloss over, but with the things I've mention the architecture is setup to completely eliminate all bottlenecks, not to mention alleviate development time going forward.

People have a bad habit of focusing on that 1 thing, all the while never looking at that thing as a whole.

[MecheSlays]

Both are also able to deliver data straight from the ssd to the cpu/gpu. The ps5 is just faster.

[Smclaren1985]

Yeah it’s going to be very exciting this generation I usually get both but need to see some good games worth forking out for a series X made that mistake with Xbox one x went nearly two years with nothing to play on it. This gen will be diff though hopfully🤞

[rainslacker]

Doesnt necessarily speed up the actual data transfer. It allows for more data to transfer in the same period though. There is a distinct difference, but important to the overall picture.

For loading a large number of assets, or big assets, compression helps speed that up. But for transfering individual assets, or packages of assets in real time, it's not enough to make up the I/O speed difference.

[cabbitwithscissors]

@stuna1 The PS5 GPU is not clocked lower. It is clocked higher. It has fewer CUs than the XSX, and at the moment, overall understanding from both sides of the camp is that XSX is quicker due to the higher number of CUs in the GPU, but we currently do not have any comparisons as to amount of workload the CUs in both PS5 and XSX are able to perform in a set amount of time. Maybe we will know more once the HotChips conference comes.

[XBManiac]

"Xbox Velocity Architecture is the soul"... This is a good formula for everything Xbox related. You only have to change first term and you have a cloud like mantra.

[Smclaren1985]

They made a huge deal about VRS too until it was confirmed ps5 had it too lol there both the exact same architecture there only 16 % advantage on the GPU games will look almost identical Mark my words excluding Sony first party studios because they can make games look great on a potato look at the last of us 2 horizon zero dawn, on current gen nothing comes close not even on pc excluding frame rate imagine what they will do with all that power?! it’s all about the games that’s what matters cant wait to see what Microsoft brings to the table too so far halo and gears?! They need to do better next gen this gen was a huge let down for me from Microsoft

[rainslacker]

In this case, compression allows for speeding up the data being loaded, but it doesnt allow for near instantaneous transfer of assets to be used virtually immediately by the system. Even with hardware decompressors, it's usually a better practice to have the assets that would be used already decompressed, as those fractions of a second can be a lifetime to a processor.

[Smclaren1985]

Yes just like the ps5 whole design philosophy around the ssd and geometry engine is about way more than just loading screens it’s about creating vast detailed worlds almost instantaneously both consoles are very very impressive I can’t wait to see what games will be like on both it’s going to be a fantastic generation fingers crossed 🤞 👍

[NotoriousWhiz]

I'll be honest. I don't have a clue what any one of you techies are talking about. I'm just going to wait for the games to show me.

[JackBNimble]

But it's doubtful that any dev team will bother

[AngainorG7X]

What a trash title

[cbuc1125]

He is admitting that there may be differences in the level design, which is huge.

[IMissJimRyan]

In fact, he is advocating that level design remain limited by the slowest.

He warns us that due to the slower platforms there will be no change in game design, only faster loadings. The elevator, corridor, alley and other techniques for hiding loadings will continue there. No one will build 2 different games.

[aaronaton]

Yet, clarification that Xbox will indeed be holding back next gen level design. PlusbPC for that matter

[phoenixwing]

All the more reason Sony exclusives matter

[rainslacker]

That's kind of funny, because the people that say that the SSD speed doesn't matter, and doesn't make a difference to the way games will be made, are also the one's that seem to reject the long standing, and well known concept of the lowest common denominator.

In any case, I don't discount this notion that multi-plats are less likely to see the advantages, or that there are ways around it in some cases, but it would be a pretty extreme change to level design to put in elevators in a Xbox game, and not the Sony one. Even if that's one example to use, putting in those random things to hide the loading times often requires thought on how the level is built, so if it's in one, it'll be in all. But, Xbox isn't the only thing that would potentially hold the game back in this regard, as PC is a thing too.

[Hakuoro]

He might be saying that but of course it's not just loading that will be effected. Things like texture detail, LOD, draw distance and other things will be limited on SX that don't directly effect development.

The basic truth that Microsoft and it's fan's don't want to admit is that the SSD will effect far more things than just loading.

And this is just discussing multi-platform. PS5 exclusive games will be a generation ahead of Xbox for as long as they decide they want to support HDD based games. People say 2 years but I doubt Microsoft will ever leave PC and Xbone/gamepass behind.

This is Sony's chance to really move console gaming forward and really pull it away from the limitations of PC's reliance on supporting old hardware.

[Charal]

Certainly true for third party cross platform games.
But that also means that first party PS5 could propose designs not achievable an SX.
If that is the case, and on key gameplay mechanics differentiators, that could be the final blow to SX.

Having a FPS or resolution difference between 2 platforms is one thing.
Having core gameplay features only achievable on one platform is on an all other level.

All in all this new generation of console is quite exciting so far. It will truly bring something to the table technically, which was hardly the case for the last 2 gens Blu-ray aside.

[tontontam0]

Xbox Series X exclusives are also available on pc which means the games will be designed to run on hardware which is inferior to the xbox series x, a lot of pc gamers still use hdds.

[phoenixwing]

Seems we will be waiting for devs to make required PC specs be at ssd level before msofts able to even hope of catching up a little to ps5

[CaptainCook]

@tontontam0
You're talking about every 3rd party games.

[ASSASSYN]

A lot of PC gamers use both HDD and SSD. SSD isn't that expensive anymore.

[jznrpg]

@ASSASYN A lot of but not all so they have to accommodate HDD users

[RazzerRedux]

@CaptainCook

Xbox first party games are all coming to PC. Somehow I seriously doubt they will require SSD.

tontontam0 makes a good point. MS has to account for this limitation in game design. PS5 first party does not. It is a factor. I hate it too. PC has to catch up with PS5 in this regard.

[rainslacker]

We can hope more devs start making SSD the minimum spec. Even if it's not as fast as the ps5 is, it's an improvement. The hard drive has been the Achilles heel of computing for quite some time now.

Sweeny seems intent on pushing SSD for PC for next gen. I don't think it's any coincidence he decided to talk about how much it could improve games by using it. Epic is very much a PC company. They do consoles, but they have long been the forerunners of pushing PC tech up a notch each engine generation.

[tontontam0]

"@tontontam0
You're talking about every 3rd party games."

Yup 3rd party game "Experiences" possible on "BOTH" systems. with negligible differences between the systems.

But ps5 can offer exclusive game "EXPERIENCES" only possible on ps5.

[tontontam0]

"A lot of PC gamers use both HDD and SSD. SSD isn't that expensive anymore."

yup I agree, but as long as the devs does not require an ssd, the speed will not be fully utilized.

you pc gaming elitist just can't accept that lowend pc gamers who plays on systems weaker than consoles exist. these are the target audience of the developers, not elitist who owns an rtx 2080 ti.

I've seen tons of pc gamers who just upgraded their system this year to low-mid end pc's. the specs are significantly weaker than the ps5 and xbox series x. xbox series x/pc exclusives will be held back for a few more years to account for these low spec pc owners.

[rainslacker]

And in reality, the more capable system for improving on that is going to be held back by the other system. Itll be exceptionally rate that a multiplat game will have two distinct level designs, and in some games, it could be like creating a completely different world. Exclusives will show the difference.

I'm not sure I'd blame MS for not having the same tech available. I highly doubt sony talked to MS about their plans to see if they could both get on board the same tech in the same ways. But, that doesnt mean that trying to dismiss the tech offered is the right thing to do, so in this topic, I feel this guy was actually being pretty straight forward, but I feel he came to the wrong conclusion about how the actual practice of supporting multiple consoles will go down.

[gamer9]

I hope exclusives push the boundaries of gaming, but i'll have to say i'm skeptical when the current gen was all about resolution, sequels, remakes. When is the last time we actually got some new gameplay ideas out of new hardware? I want to see better AI in games. More NPCs. Is any of this going to happen next gen? Or will it be 4k, 60-120fps talk. Better lighting, textures, etc. Will gameplay take a back seat? It's funny that PUBG popularized a whole new genre this generation, and was made by some modder, and runs like complete garbage. This is getting way off topic, but when are AAA company's going to stop playing it safe and give use some innovative gameplay? Last gen was "4K!!!" and this gen is "stuff is going to load faster!!!". Seriously, am I supposed to be excited about load times?

[Pancit_Canton]

The Teraflop talking point is starting to flop.

[CaptainHenry916]

Lol and the fanboys

[russo121]

And by a long margin!

[Tross]

Teraflops are great to have. I don't think anyone is arguing they're not. But, it's apparent that there's more to hardware than just teraflops. The PS5's hardware looks to be well-optimized, and I couldn't be more stoked. That it's making MS executives sweat says a lot.

[C-H-E-F]

Microsoft Devs Learn? LOL, They need to be more concerned with their devs LEARNING to make better, more variety IPs instead of GEARS, Forza, and Halo like seriously, we get it these are the games that made the Xbox a success, however, these games are beating a dead horse.

Also, this title isn't about what was actually said, he said
" Like that will be the trick and the techniques, and so maybe, I’m just making this up, but maybe there are elevators in the Xbox version and not the Sony version."

So, yeah don't try to play in favor of a company by twisting words buddy, that's just ridiculous lmao, I remember Microsoft saying that their SSD is the soul of their console... so why is it downplayed so much when the fact that Sony's SOUL is better than Microsoft? LOL now it's just about load screens? When a few weeks ago they were saying that the Xbox Velocity Architecture is far more than just loading screens.. now it's just about loading screens? These dudes are soooo American it's ridiculous, just lie your way into success.

[CaptainHenry916]

"to make better, more variety IPs instead of GEARS, Forza, and Halo like seriously, we get it these are the games that made the Xbox a success, however, these games are beating a dead horse."

Hmm When I said this for the first time I got a restriction for 30 days 🤔

[C-H-E-F]

@CaptainHenry916 well, you may not see me for 30 days. The truth tends to hurt on this website LOL.

[Cmv38]

I like that Sony says nothing about the xbox series x, but ms always finds a way to keep popping up with regards to Sony. We know developers are going to try and figure out a way, but what that also means, that ps5 ssd really does matter. And all that downplaying from fans should be mute now.

[caddytrek]

We don't want to talk about Sony BUT....

[rainslacker]

I'm starting to think this may have been planned by Sony. They took a new, and complex to the layman concept, talked about it just enough to not fully explain it, didn't demonstrate it, and have devs excited for it so they talk about it, and it makes the more common spec power discussion less of a thing, because you have all these journalists asking what MS is going to do about it, or how it compares.

Doesn't really explain why MS, and it's execs, have been doing this all gen, or do so unsolicited whenever Sony does something, but Sony got the media involved in helping.

Or maybe I'm overthinking it, giving too much credit, and MS feels it can only stay relevant on the back of Sony's competence.

[Cmv38]

I don't think this was planned by Sony, but I think they understand how things are going. Even a little info is a lot. They didn't even show a game or next gen tech... epic did, and ms felt they had to chime in with the "look at us too" attitude. Was sort of pathetic.

[Kaedro]

Empty promises and more empty promises. Nothing new here folks.

[SpaceRanger]

By the sound of it, this is just the beginning of the differences we’ll be seeing with SSD speeds. Hopefully MS can figure out how to meet that speed in a future version of their console.

Crazy to think that as we speak, Sony is probably miles ahead working on a more improved version.

[tontontam0]

They could just release an xbox series x S and pretend that the og base xbox series x does not exist.

Just like what happened this gen, original xbox one plays like shit. ms successfully buried the underperforming og base xbox and acted like everyone owns the S and the X.

[THC CELL]

I'd rather have it raw then a work around

[derek]

You'd rather have it "raw"? Hahaha 😆

[jznrpg]

Hardcore

[stuna1]

That's a little bit too much information lol. I'm just kidding with you.

[THC CELL]

I'm glad people see funny side to stuff we been to laugh or we will be doomed soon lol

[Yodasfavoritesoda]

It will be nice to not have long load screens. I love metro exodus but that game has the longest load screens I’ve ever seen

[Sol4ris]

I have a total aversion to elevators. What will happen to me next gen when playing my XsX😅.
Decisions, decisions.

[thesoftware730]

Lol, I would like to place bets that visually SX 3rd party games will look and run slightly better than PS5 games.

Exclusives are a different story due to Sony devs always being able to push system graphics beyond most other games. With that said SX will also have amazing looking exclusives.

Ready for bets.

[phoenixwing]

Definitely deflecting the main topic of this article lol

I'll bet that the difference is going to be small enough that people buying a ps5 won't care

[tontontam0]

Xbox one x is more powerful than ps4, but nothing on xbox is on par with ps4 exclusives, probably because the baseline is the weak og xbox one.

Same thing is going to happen this gen, xbox exclusives are available on pc the baseline is the lowend pc market.

The perfect example is the upcoming pc/xsx exclusive Scorn, the pc system requirements is significantly weaker than the ps5 and the seriesx

[Koolaidude]

The latest Gears 5 and Red Dead 2 looked far better on Xbox X than anything on PS4. Go watch the DG video.

[chiefJohn117]

PS4 doesn't even have a 60fps game other than a racer. Child please. There's nothing technically hard about a cinematic 30fps linear game with 10 enemies max on screen.
Vs 60fps with 30+ enemies on screen. Gears 5 easily looks better than anything on ps4.

[Ristul]

Gears 5 looked bad in terms of environments when compared to some of Sony's exclusives, I was not impressed with it.

[SCW1982]

I will bet Series X has a small advantage when it comes to resolution over all but that PS5 will be a better performing version overall.

[MecheSlays]

Im willing to bet that the SX version is gonna exceed in 3rd party aswell.

[galmi]

I love this site, I really do lolol

[zimm]

Yes, this is known. The only games that will be able to truly leverage PS5 ssd bandwidth are first party games with specific design decisions to leverage it.

PC SSD aren't even as fast as XSX SSD unless you drop $500+ on RAID configured drives. So, any multiplatform game will still be using modern asset loading techniques. PS5 will obviously be faster at this but with modern techniques this is hardly noticable and certainly curious how it will be measured outside of a loading screen times.

Look at GTA5 for example that game is old, but it only has one loading screen but renders a huge world. Modern asset streaming techniques, PS5 will load much quicker initially but gameplay will be unchanged. Next gen games will certainly benefits for additional storage bandwidth but it will not be this game changer everyone is thinking it will be. PC and Nintendo systems will still be bottlenecks in truly leveraging the I/O ceiling that adding SSD to consoles allows.

[tontontam0]

Lol someone is pulling a LINUS here. talking about something you know nothing about.

[zimm]

lol fair enough I am no AAA game developer. But I can read and have been software developer on large systems for 8 years to understand basic computing. Also, dabbled in hobby game development enough to know and understand how simple game engines work. But you are right, everything is speculation at this point. But everything I said above can be proven with components available today.

[tontontam0]

Lol this self proclaimed hobby game developer, knows more than the veteran game developers.

[ossyc]

NO

[chiefJohn117]

Exactly, faster loading and getting into your game quick is excitingly welcomed but it's not revolutionary or a game changer. Every gen people over hype something that's never live up to the hype.

[RazzerRedux]

@chiefJohn117

Then just say it: When it comes to Xbox Velocity Architecture, Microsoft is full of shit.

Is that what you are saying or not?

[stuna1]

Yeah, Microsoft does do that I agree.

[phoenixwing]

Xbox series x holds back ps5 multiplat game design confirmed

[tontontam0]

Well they can just introduce a loading screen every few seconds I'm sure xbox fanboys won't mind.

[FanboySpotter]

I'm interested in seeing Xbox Velocity Architecture in action. Hopefully soon

[chiefJohn117]

We have already, although not at it's max potential

[MasterCornholio]

Same can be said about the PS5s SSD since the Spiderman demo was old.

[Futureshark]

PS5 having an ADVANTAGE over Xbox SX...admitted to by MS Executive!!!

Have I just been transported to a parallel universe?!!!

In seriousness, this is a HUGE concession by MS to admit this, and they will not be able to get around it without imposing costs elsewhere is the games.
MS exec is in full damage control as this is obviously the best answer the MS engineers can give him.
Outfoxed on the hardware, MS went to Radio Shack and asked for the most powerful components to throw together, SONY went to a designer and actually created something new.
Xbox SX will be the sum of it's parts, PS5 will be more then the sum of it's parts, and that's why if you want a true next-gen experience, you will buy a PS5 (or both if you are rich enough).

[jwillj2k4]

“MS went to Radio Shack and asked for the most powerful components to throw together”

Isn’t radio shack almost out of business too? 🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣

[FanboysKiller]

It's nice to add click bate seasoning with fanboying flavor at the top of the title.

[RamRod88]

Did this guy really just use elevators as an example? Lol We are not suddenly gonna go back to 7th gen loading situations. What a terrible example.
Last time I checked, both consoles are using an SSD, both consoles will be fast, one is just faster.

[cabbitwithscissors]

He was indirectly mocking the XSX. Confirmed Sony plant or was paid to do it.

[XBManiac]

How fast do Xbox Series X devs learn?

[jznrpg]

About half as fast as Sony’s do?................ It’s a joke people

[FyBy]

Another moron who thinks SSD in PS5 is there only because of loading screens. But I understand some people simply cant go into detail of solution like Radeon Pro SSG.

[Gaming4Life1981]

MS and Sony really need to show and drop all information cause the comments on this topic are crazy. Both systems have advantages over one another so if your not a fanboy and love games just get both systems.

[jznrpg]

They will . Sony isn’t in a hurry they have a plan and will stick to it (minus riots and such)

[liyajew580]

my all time love is Xbox

[Sophisticated_Chap]

PS5 will load faster, and Xbox will have higher resolutions, better textures, better shadows, better lighting, and just all around better level of detail. Because of the PS5's weaker GPU, it will be loading games faster with lower detail.

[Battlestar23]

If you really think that you know nothing about CPU/GPU/SSD.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

We'll see you in the Digital Foundry article comments. I can't wait :D

[BlackTar187]

What a hilariously ironic name with a post like that Chap.

[akaFullMetal]

All that because of a 17 percent gpu advantage? C'mon who are you trying to kid?

If Xbox makes it to 4k, Sony's system will too. These systems have never been closer. I think you have run with the power argument and have thrown it to unbelievable position for just a 17 percent gpu difference.

[MasterCornholio]

Isn't texture quality related to streaming assets from the SSD?

[SierraGuy]

Yes

PS5 will be capable of streaming 8K assets.

[MecheSlays]

People don't realize the SX can still push more polys because of its stronger gpu. LOD's are only put in place because of the polygon budget of the gpu because the highest quality lod is already in ram for when you get close to it. The LOD has to be implemented because if you have higher poly assets on screen it'll eat at the gpu and tank framerate, it has nothing to do with i/o because the high quality asset is already in ram. We will see better framerates on SX for sure.

[cabbitwithscissors]

It has everything to do with I/O, because you can stream the data from the SSD in to the memory for the GPU to push LOD. There's only so much memory that you can use and putting all assets in to memory is not possible, and at the moment the PS5 can push more polys compared to the XSX. The XSX could push more rays though.

[Smclaren1985]

No amount of trickery can keep up ,the simple fact is series x games will be catering to current gen temporarily and always need to have pc in mind too that’s the reason they went with the system they did. The whole ps5 system hardware is designed round the the ssd not to mention at a software level too basic raw stat is double the speed of series X and compressed it goes beyond that ,not to mention the elimination of 5 of the usual bottle necks carrying data to the cpu aswell I can’t believe this nonsense. Lol and no I’m not a fanboy I enjoy both I would point out Sony to if they claimed something so stupid.

[persi]

"ssd not to mention at a software level too basic raw stat is double the speed of series X and compressed it goes beyond that"
what ? don't have anything against each person opinion, but please don't change the reality. compressed streaming speed is 8to9go/s for ps5 and 4,8go/s on the xbox side. bottlenecks are handle the same way on both side with a specific decompression unit, and direct access to storage.

[j15reed]

Get ready for all the videos showing trees a few feet further in the distance, to justify all this talk about how much better Sony’s SSD is then MS’s.

[PhantomX02]

Ah the great equalizer...the lowest common denominator to ensure everyone plays fair. This where 1st party devs will need to maximize the hardware to see a difference.

[sampsonon]

If they think the SSD is the only advantage the PS5 has then they are really in trouble. Loading screens is the tip of the iceberg

[Bruh]

It’s always so heart warming to hear all of the arm chair engineers with their coffee and up bright and early. Ready to champion for the PlayStation brand, y’all are the silent heroes

[jznrpg]

It’s the devs that are doing most of the talking . There are videos on YouTube and such talking about it already .

[sampsonon]

It's better if these people wait to see on Thursday :)
As always Sony will be show casing just how great their well crafted architecture is.

They didn't buy of the shelf lazily like MS. "Just through money at it" idea of pushing hardware. Sony was like "Let's change the way games are made". "Dr.Cerny?"

[Father__Merrin]

It's got nothing to do with just loading screens

[anast]

If there were any doubts before, they are gone. PS5 day 1, Series X deep sale.

[jznrpg]

The only way to figure this out will be XBXSX2 but they will have to work around getting it to work with the original SX and the rest of the consoles for BC . They will have to copy PS5 architecture in their mid gen upgrade to try and be the most powerful console ever . Raw numbers don’t mean crap to devs just to consumers as they don’t tell the entire story .

[cabbitwithscissors]

Doing this will definitely nix the backward compatibility.

[AizenSosuke]

Humble move

[akaFullMetal]

I do wonder how 3rd party are going to mitigate the ssd difference. If that means parity when making the game design or using ways to get around it like an elevator. Hopefully neither system holds each other back and devs just make the best game around each system.

[chiefJohn117]

Is 4 extra seconds really a big deal?

[Sunny_D]

No but games being held back by the lower common denominator base console is.

[chiefJohn117]

Ps5 being 2tflops weaker will not hold back XSX I'm sure devs will use it for better graphics and frame rate at least. So even that won't be much of an issue

[AmUnRa]

You are saying the same thing over and over again. A sign that you dont get it and you don't understand how hardware works, its not about 4 seconds, its about the I/O and the hardware componants around it. But i could say that to a wall, he does not understand it either😉

[Dragonopolis]

What is interesting about the speed of PS5 IO and SSD combo is it may free up more system memory as developers eventually learn what more assets can be streamed directly from the SSD rather than filling memory saving memory for heavier tasks..... should be interesting having an IO setup where not much to worry about in regards to cpu bottlenecks.

It's possible that Microsoft could find a sweet spot not pushing the cpu/gpu to max. Finding lower graphical settings that may allow devs to emulate similar results but still be graphically competitive. Of course that could negate XSX's advantages graphically and would be relying more on how good gameplay and storytelling of the game is....

However, I believe Sony is more in the driver's seat with originality than Microsoft especially with new titles but it's not set in stone so both companies will have a long fight ahead...

A win for Gaming.....

[chiefJohn117]

Why TF would you lower graphics for faster loading? That's a dumb trade. I'd rather have the better graphics

[jeromeface]

competition has no advantage dur dur dur

[gravedigger]

Mark Cerny did job done.

[blue88]

I think we will see more third party console exclusives next gen for ps5 and pc.

[SLiSH83]

Ya 3rd party and MS games for XSX
Sony exclusives for the SSD advantage

Just like every other gen
Xbox is my go to for “everything”
PlayStation for their stuff

[MetroidFREAK21]

Still getting both

[Games1st]

They will be pressured to reduce loading screens, a win for everyone.

[UltimateRacer]

No amount of Dev work can close the gap between Sony’s SSD tech and MS. Games will be made only on PlayStation that can’t run on XSX, and it won’t just be 1st party games either you’ll have independent studio aswell as 2nd and 3rd party’s using the tech to its full potential.

[ragnalamb]

Yeah right. You know what? just wake me up when they address making games as good as playstation devs.

[neomahi]

Because Microsoft can't think for themselves and they're always behind, this is all they can do is make excuses. They're not suits, not gamers like Sony. This doesn't surprise me. Microsoft has no idea how to react, everyone that works for Microsoft spent too much time in college fraternities getting drunk and partying.

[DragoonUS]

" Loading Screen Advantages " lol

[neomahi]

Let's be honest, the media loves and backs Sony, gives em articles actually worth getting views, advertising, money, and jobs.

[S2Killinit]

MS cant seem to stop talking about the competition.

[Hedstrom]

Lol!

[DJStotty]

What a waste of an article, he is talking about 3rd party developers, and the differences in SSD architecture between the 2.

He also says " I’m really impressed in the architecture they did with their drive and they’ll be able to do really cool stuff with it. I also don’t think it’s as impressive over what you’ll be able to do what the Series X has done and so I have high confident in that team."