PS5's I/O Speed Will "Allow for Things You Can't Do on Any Other Platform," Says Dev

A developer on ResetEra says the console's I/O is "on a whole other level."

[Sonyslave3]

Lol so he boast about the ssd on ps5 being faster and only to end the article about how the series x is still much more powerful.

I'm lost

[isarai]

Speed vs power, not that hard of a concept to grasp.

[RpgSama]

Can somebody do something about Gamingbolt articles, it doesn't matter if they talk about the PS5 or the Series X, I'm just tired of them on an everyday basis all coming from the same site and usually from the same interview.

[Rocketisleague]

What determines a 'powerful' CPU?

Its speed.

I forgot why I stopped coming to this site long ago.

[S2Killinit]

@RpgSama
This is not the same developer. Not the same interview. Just fyi

[darthv72]

I like the analogy of a cheetah compared to a lion. Hence, speed vs power. And yet both are the top of their respected food chains so there is nothing to be worried about.

[piroh]

Both consoles are unique

[Jin_Sakai]

“Both consoles are unique“

Having more power isn’t unique. PS5 has a custom flash controller, custom 12 channel controller and main custom chip with a dedicated DMA controller, two I/O processors, on chip ram, coherency engines, and cache scrubbers. PS5 is indeed unique.

Linus just issued an apology to Tim Sweeney about PS5 as he even realized no matter how fast the SSD is even on PC that Sony’s custom chip has addressed all bottlenecks between the SSD and the chip. As Linus said, the PC is going to become the lowest common denominator. Especially compared to PS5 exclusives.

https://youtu.be/4ehDRCE1Z3...

[Smclaren1985]

Fantastic piroh couldn’t agree more 👍

[thecodingart]

@Jin_Sakai, Linus is sort of just an enthusiast but lacks real experience or in depth knowledge into these technologies. The fact that he commented on this was sort of a joke and outside his realm of expertise or knowledge. I’m not quite sure why anyone took his statement seriously other than pure ignorance...

[morganfell]

@Jin,

Holy crap. Thanks for the link. That is some crow pie eating. Have to hand it to him for doing this. There is still a lot he doesn't mention that the SSD will do like the demo of movement through ultra detailed worlds.

[Yppupdam]

When I think about this power vs speed argument I always see MS as Obadiah Stane in the first Iron man trying to get his engineers to make their own tiny Arc reactor like Tony Stark's (Sony)
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Rimeskeem]

"stronger system in many ways"

you sorta exaggerated...

[BehindTheRows]

The Series X isn't "much more" powerful though.

[Lore]

He probably wanted to mention the xbox hardware to maintain credibility. It’s very obvious by now that the minor tflop difference between xbsx & ps5 won’t ever be noticeable. It just won’t. When the differences are that minuscule it’s going to be up to the devs to use their talent in tandem with the hardware to bring out realistic visuals. Same way as it was this and last gen. God of War for example used amazing wizardry to push the envelope of the PS4. It will stand tall visually with a lot of PS5 games guaranteed. Open world games and systems driven games (rpg’s) will benefit the most from the new consoles.

Now the speed of the consoles, will absolutely be noticeable. And it’s up to the gamer to decide how many seconds faster/slower it matters to them. Ultimately the difference maker for each console is going to come down to games, unique interface/os features, and creativity.

In my honest and professional opinion, Sony should have London Studio revamp PSHome and turn it into something similar yet more efficient. Will make them potentially hundreds of millions and can turn it into a space where gamers can jump in from the ps startup screen and have a “sims” like space where gamers can showcase their properties, houses, and ps products. Would be a win-win for Sony and gamers. Put London Studio back to good use.

[Ghostbob]

A new HOME would be nice!

[Bruh]

But the TFLOP difference isn't the only difference there. I really want to know what the arm chair engineers's response is to the fact that the PS5 has a whopping 16 less CUs on the die.

The typical answer is " oh well no one utilizes CUs," when just a look at more state of the art engines proves that wrong. All of which are focused on allowing more lower level API optimizations to allow developers to take that much more advantage of CUs. When it comes to Ray Tracing, which is something both parties are pushing as this next-gen feature set for graphics. The more CUs you have the better your GPU performs in almost every single style of ray tracing known thus far ( Shadows, GI, reflections etc)

[RazzerRedux]

@Bruh

"But the TFLOP difference isn't the only difference there. I really want to know what the arm chair engineers's response is to the fact that the PS5 has a whopping 16 less CUs on the die."

The TFLOP is calculated using the number of CUs so saying the TF isn't the only difference due to the fewer CUs makes no sense at all.

[russo121]

@Bruh,

"But the TFLOP difference isn't the only difference there. I really want to know what the arm chair engineers's response is to the fact that the PS5 has a whopping 16 less CUs on the die."

Any kid interested in hardware would know the answer RazzerRedux gave. The effort to create an argument based on nothing new is just ridiculous. Worst is talking about tflops and not knowing how that metric is derived. Take a deep breath and relax.

[stuna1]

@Bruh

You mention CU's as a sort of differating factor, when in fact you even said it that all the CU's will not be taken advantage of. But another fact to note, although the XboxSX does in fact have more CU's at its disposal the PS5 CU's are clocked significantly higher. Just as someone also said CU's and their clocks determine teraflops.

[caddytrek]

Bruh,

TBH I would trade Ray Tracing for FPS every day of the week.

As the UE5 demo showed you can have FANTASTIC lighting without using 40% of the GPU just to process a few ray's.

In fact there was a topic on another gaming forum I read asking if RTX owners actually used RT and almost unanimously people said they turned it off for FPS/resolution. Ray tracing is a feature you turn on say "oh that's pretty" then turn off to improve performance.

[Minute Man 721]

It was noticeable on the PS4 vs X1 but won't be on PS5 vs XsX???? Ok

[rainslacker]

@bruh

They get used, but past a certain point there are diminishing returns unless they're optimized and part of the design phase. It all depends on how the devs optimize their code to take advantage of those CU's. Overall, more will mean more potential, but that potential doesnt always translate to real world results....or the results arent as extreme as some make them out to be. Some games will show more improvements than others as well, so it's not a black and white matter of praise and dismissal like it's often made out to be.

[tontontam0]

We are going to see games on ps5 that no matter what graphics downgrade you do the game will simply run in an unplayable manner in xbox series x.

Any game on xbox series x, considering the minimal power difference, will be able to run on ps5 with minimal unnoticeable graphics downgrade.

[Lore]

The speed is what the dev was eluding to. Whomever wants either console isn’t going to choose solely based off speed alone, but ps5 will be much faster for majority of their games if the professional developers who have both consoles are anything to go by.

Show me one article where a dev has said that the xsx is faster than the ps5

[Kiwi66]

Devs will make sure that their game runs and is playable on all consoles as they're smarter than armchair devs

[Tacoboto]

@Lore we are a month away from seeing both officially unveil their first party lineup, waiting is the only objective thing we can do

GamingBolt is a disgrace and if this site had integrity GB would be banned as a source.

@tonton Then you are putting a lot of faith into a 2 second loading screen instead of a 4-5 second one

[RazzerRedux]

@Tacoboto

"Then you are putting a lot of faith into a 2 second loading screen instead of a 4-5 second one"

It is silly to suggest that the loading screen is the only place we will see the advantages these SSDs will provide in the face of the level of promotion that both Sony and Microsoft have invested in this tech.

[Ghostbob]

However, he acknowledged that the Xbox Series X is still a stronger system in many ways, Not much more powerful because it all about balance both systems will be better in over ways.

[waverider]

Better read it again. «is still a stronger system in many ways». Not much more powerfull system. There isnt nothing much stronger on the Series X compared to the PS5. Because much stronger means 40%, 50% and 60% diference to the PS5.

Where there is a 60% diference is in the combo SSD/I/O of the PS5 compared to the Series X.

[chiefJohn117]

2tflop is much more. One X was about 2tflop more powerful than the pro and that was a big difference

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

@chiefJohn117

The difference between Series X and PS5 is the same as the difference between PS4 Pro and Xbox One X.

No one seems to care.

[gravedigger]

@ChiefJohn117

Difference is 18%. So, lower than between X1X and Pro, even smaller than PS4 and X1

[RazzerRedux]

There is a ~16.2% TF difference in PS5 and XSX.
There is a ~35.2% TF difference between Xbox One and PS4 Pro.

https://www.calculatorsoup....

[Hakuoro]

chiefJohn117

"One X was about 2tflop more powerful than the pro and that was a big difference"

It really wasn't, the marketing was the biggest difference. Most games on the X were dynamic 4k and the Pro had a ton of games that run at 4k. And the generations best looking games were on PS4. Because artistry and detail always win over resolution.

https://www.digitaltrends.c...

[AriesBear]

Your lost? It's pretty basic

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

faster Input/Output
higher memory Bandwidth
higher Throughput
VS
More compute units

[stuna1]

^ This^^^

It was already stated before XboxSX and PS5 started the advertising journey that teraflops essentially wouldn't be a determining factor going into next generation, but as we see to some it's the only thing they can hang their flimsy arguements on!

Personally just look at the deep dives for both consoles!? Here's something that no one realized was happening.

Mark Cerny, 1 man on 1 stage giving an in-depth discussion as to the capabilties of the PS5 and what that meant going forward. Also take into consideration who he was talking to!? (Developers).

Now....

Look at the deep dive done by Microsoft! Did anyone experience any familiarity with it? I did, it was basically exactly the same as the Xbox 1X! Now look at the deep dive, a whole slew of supposedly engineering geniuses sitting in front of? I can only describe it as photo-shoot backdrops, giving a discussion of the XboxSX.

My thing is which deep dive gave you the sense that the information being given to you was exact researched and informative!?

Now which one seem to be scripted!?

I feel like it was an example of slight of hand, and many missed it.

[Hakuoro]

stuna1

That's what Microsoft does though. They know their consumers don't really understand the tech so they just use hype.

A common thing for Microsoft to do, is hype up solutions to problems that don't exist.

One example of this was DX12, there big thing was draw calls. But of course anyone who knew anything knows that Draw calls in modern gaming are a non issue. (these numbers are just for example) If you have a GPU that can do 1000 draw calls under DX11 but games are only using 100 draw calls making DX12 able to do 2000 draw calls doesn't matter.

Or Windows Game Mode which was supposed to prioritize high use processes, but that is how Windows functions anyways which is why no testing has ever shown any benefit from game mode that was outside the margin of error.

And with SX it's DLI they talk about how it can detect inputs in between frames but frame time is 10-30 ms the world record for button pressing is only 12 per second. The human body can't articulate any input faster than frames can cycle. Even further the latency of the controller itself is higher than the latency of a frame.

Microsoft makes up non existent problems to fix because they know consumers aren't smart enough to understand and won't research their BS.

[Software_Lover]

PS5 has higher memory bandwidth???? I am confused.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

At Software_Lover

Here's what Microsoft says about Series X Memory Bandwidth
10GB at 560GB/s, 6GB at 336GB/s
16GB RAM Split memory

It's not to difficult to figure out why they gave figures instead of one like everyone else on the planet.

[fathertime4464]

@Igivehugs
The xsx has faster ram, a larger bus, fast cpu, and more cus. Just thought I'd throw that out there for ya. The ps5 literally only has faster i/o in comparison.
I don't have my blinders on, both and I mean both are better in specific and meaningful ways than the other. I don't expect the power difference to mean much and you shouldn't expect the ssd speed difference to mean much either. It's that simple. They're both very well balanced and both are ex6fast machines

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

@fathertime4464

The RAM isn't faster overall. The bandwidth is being split for some odd reason.
There's 16GB of GDDR6 for RAM in which 6GB for the CPU is running at 336 GB/s. That is going to be a bottleneck, but Microsoft did compensate for that split by using a 512 bit memory interface. Only 10GB of that RAM has more bandwidth than PS5 which means something has to suffer from lower bandwidth. Think about that for a moment.
All I can say is, "Remember ESRAM?"

[FyBy]

Its easy. XSX with more brute power. PS5 with more sophisticated solution with litlle less power. So there is no absolute winner. And its also not about being winner at all. Both consoles will have great games in terms of graphical and audio fidelity.

I also think that XSX power advantage will be little bit lowered due to more software layers. Sony is known for its effective low level api and better development tools. Still think XSX will be little better for multiplats. But if developer will optimize for PS5 lot, they can achieve very good results.

[waverider]

There wont be needed much otptimization. Thats one of the mistakes some are saying. The PS5 is very easy to work and to reach good results without wasting a lot of time. Thats why many devs are so happy. Less times is always better.

[FyBy]

@waverider You are right. Thats what they say. But I dont think it means you simply take game and put on PS5. I think you can benefit with optimize game for certain power profile. So you need a lot of gpu - all 10,28TF? Then you need to optimize CPU code a bit to lower CPU power limit. Also that shouldnt be a problem because I/O is "hardware accelerated" and audio has hardware acceleration outside CPU. So there will be more room left than on PC. Im really curious how big power limit on PS5 is and how many percent CPU you can use to be able to set GPU to 10,28TF.

[gravedigger]

That guy ( according to his post history on ERA ) said that XSX will be more powerful than PS5, among others insiders.

[Smclaren1985]

The way to look at it is in certain situation the ps5 will outperform the series x and in some the series x will out perform ps5. The whole design of ps5 is designed around the ssd and fast I /O through put which takes a huge amount of work away from the gpu and cpu, allowing more resources for better effects etc, the series x no matter which way you cut is has a more powerful Compute power , if you look at the math of the diff between them the series X is around 20 percent that’s not huge but it’s considerable because TFlops next gen are way more advanced . Sony has the best developers in the industry it’s no contest look at the latest on current gen I have both pro and x and the latest exclusive games on PS4 pro are way better than Any Xbox one exclusives this gen and that was a 40 percent advantage on the gpu but also more memory too. Imagine what Sony’s first party developers will do with the power of the ps5 not to mention they will be ps5 only so they won’t be constrained by current gen where as Xbox are cross gen. it all comes down to the games Sonyslave3 just follow them don’t get lost on the numbers there won’t be a huge diff in ether end at the end of the day maybe resolution here and there but I know Sony’s exclusives will be unmatched I hope Microsoft brings there game next gen as they really let the customers down this gen . I am fortunate enough to prob buy both but I need to see the games Microsoft are bringing so far I haven’t seen anything from ether yet that warrants a purchase but I have a trust with Sony where I know I will get great games if I buy it but with Microsoft I just don’t have that.

[Muzikguy]

I wouldn't even have read it myself. Gamingbolt is garbage.

[Mooncake]

This is the top article right now so you have to hand it to them; Gamingbolt are playing N4G like a fiddle.

[S2Killinit]

@sonyslave3
He never said “series x is much more powerful”. Why you making stuff up?

In fact, the entire article can be summarized in this sentence: “ PS5’s SSD is easily and by far the largest difference between the two next gen consoles.”

[Hakuoro]

"The PS5’s IO is on another level. It does basically everything significantly faster than any competition in the consumer space. It is easily and by far the largest difference between the two next gen consoles.”

[drunkenspy007]

Metrics of power / speed are one thing to show, capability is another. Sounds like PS5 is touting an overall better bus system, meaning not faster chip speeds, but still faster results. All sounds good, but want to see more proof from sources like digital foundry.

[Voodoopower73]

He never said that. He said it's a Stronger System in some ways.

But he did say that the PURE I/O speed of the PS5 is light years ahead of anything else out.

[Smclaren1985]

16 percent advantage the series x has in the gpu that’s not alot listen to what developers are saying there all praising the ps5 for a very good reason, both are very impressive and both have great advantages but at the end of the day it’s the games that matter

[NeoGamer232]

Any spec where Vendor 1 Spec A is greater then Vendor 2 Spec A; by any more then 10% will allow it to differentiate in some way typically.

PS5 will have dramatic differences in load times. 5 seconds on XSX will probably take 1 second on PS5. And that will allow them to do things. I have yet to hear a single thing that is going to substantially change gameplay on PS5's faster SSD though.

[TheProblem]

No where did he say the sx is “much more powerful” why do Xbox fanboys always exaggerate?

It has Tflop advantage of 16.6% smaller than anything last gen and won’t be noticeable without a microscope

[masterfox]

That's actually true but lots of people will not understand this reasoning cause the lack of knowledge of the subject and they will just trash it in pure fanboy fashion, but from a developing point of view the tech behind the PS5 is really mindblowing and pure genius!

[KilluaX3]

I remember Killzone devs back in 2013 saying PS4 is like a "supercomputer"..... ..

Empty marketing talk which will barely be seen, and definitely not for the first 2 or so years. And at that point it won't be anything special so...

[masterfox]

"Empty marketing talk" ? huh ?, well for me they definitely delivered with Shadowfall , the game look gorgeous I actually bought the PS4 just to play day one Shadowfall and wasn't disappointed at all, visually the jumped from PS3 or any other console to PS4 was immense and it was exactly what I was expecting to receive, we didn't need it to wait 2 years to see what is capable off, heck Infamous SS released the next following year.

I'm pretty sure the jump from the PS4 to PS5 will be as impressive as the previous generation(well from PS of course), Playstation so far has never failed to impress on each generation (all the way from PS1) ;)

[rainslacker]

You mean the same dev that made Horizon:Zero Dawn, one of the better looking games of the generation, who still haven't been outclassed by very many devs this gen, and most of those that outclassed them were also Sony devs, delivering what is arguably the best looking games this gen?

I think the PS4 is nowhere close to a supercomputer, but it seems like your standards excelled faster than this generation could possibly meet them.

KZ:SF is also still a great looking game, and GG is has always had a real talent for pushing graphics past what people think is possible.

[Rude-ro]

Sorry ... but the “power of the cloud” will never be out-beat of marketing/pr fumbles... right next to the rrod the previous gen,
Microsoft is a joke

[ElementX]

Microsoft Flight Simulator streams assets and stuff from the cloud, would the be considered "power of the cloud"?

As for Matt Booty's quote... It was from XO19 last November, meaning next November the 2 year window is over, it's not 2 years from the Series X launch.

[borneFROMblood]

@ElementX
I'm pretty sure it was covered in articles that they won't have exclusives on SXS till 2022 or 2023
And Microsoft did not address to that in any way, so this is probably true.
Companies always make it clear when it's a misunderstanding, silence from MS only confirms it.

[caddytrek]

ElementX,

Ah right power of the cloud again. More closed hardware demo's trying to convince people of magic. Let's see what happens when they have to deploy that tech to real people using the real internet. I saw the closed demo's then I saw Crackdown.

[ElementX]

All of the articles about Booty's quote refer to the original article on mcvuk. That article talks about the interview they did at XO19.

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

Well, the XsX certainly won’t have any cutting edge games AT ALL for at least two years, since they are dual supporting the X well into the XsX life cycle

[jbull]

Remember power of The Cloud, people on here who I thought had brains actually believed MS, don't get me started every few months mouthpiece Phil with his empty promise but fails to deliver speeches.

[u-bEttA-rUn]

They're still waiting on the power of the cloud?
😂😂😂 💀💀💀

[borneFROMblood]

they are still waiting for DX12 support promise, which comes only to SXS , but was promised for og Xbox One.
Also what happened to their VR..
Crashdown 3 cloud-based destructions...

I can't believe MS Promises anymore, they should show it when it's ready, and not talk about it.
Sony promises were delivered, not instantly as perfect, but delivered and refined after.
PSVR
PS Now
PS+ Free Games

Elon Musk quote: If you don't fail, you cannot innovate.
The disaster of PS3 did not make Sony give up on concepts they've been promising, instead they amplified them. And after fails, became only stronger.
MS now are way better than the beginning of Xbox One life, but they are yet to prove, that their console is worth buying.

[russo121]

,@borneFROMblood

"Elon Musk quote: If you don't fail, you cannot innovate."

Xobx must be: you fail and you don't innovate.

[carlosjrix]

now we have the power of the ssd!!

[I_am_Batman]

We're overdue to see some next gen gameplay demos. It's getting tiresome seeing the same arguments over paper specs. I can't wait for the discussion to shift towards games once the ice breaks and we start seeing what these consoles can really deliver. I hope that they announce the new date for the PS5 event next week. Best case would be an announcement tomorrow with the event being Thursday or Friday.

[isarai]

Welcome to me for the past 3 months

[rainslacker]

I agree. This is just one of those things that people won't get until they see it, or play it. Even then, they'll probably just narrow in on the 4K/60 thing, as if that's really all that impressive. Any GPU can do that if you throw enough power behind it, but advancing games in other ways is something worth being excited for.

I don't even really care to try and discuss this stuff in depth anymore. Most don't listen, and the discussion usually just boils down to, "Nope, you're wrong, I know more than you" type counter arguments....when they can't even offer up a single word of technical jargon that hasn't come from a PR reps mouth.

[BenRC01]

It's been like that since snes/mega drive.

[rainslacker]

Sure, but never to this level of people choosing to remain willfully ignorant. Same thing happened with the CELL as well. People didn't bother to really try and understand the tech, or Sony's reason behind it, just called Sony arrogant because some devs said it was too hard to program for.

[Traecy]

June has just started the show will start soon have patience.

[borneFROMblood]

Yeah, We want consoles to play games, only developers should care what's underneath the hood of a console. Because they will deliver us amazing games, it's promising and inspiring to hear, that PS5 will be innovative.
Imo i don't want next gen just be bigger numbers, i want new tech, new boundaries to be broken and new era of video games to be born (PS1).
Once we see games, the wait will be even more painful ;c for the console reveal/price/and launch date.

[ApocalypseShadow]

SSD should bring about some amazing things. But I'm ready to see some gameplay.

Can I get an explosive, pyrotechnic, buttery smooth animation improved, increased cinematic and voice acting story driven extravaganza, action based RETRY of releasing 8 Days please?
https://youtu.be/jXD0Fjz2S3...

The streaming of going cross country and truly realising this game would be perfect for a PS5 launch title. With single player and A.I. powered partner or 2 player online gameplay. But both feeling like being in the best action films of Hollywood.

If the Last Guardian can get released, if Nioh can finally get released, then give me some 8 Days. Yes. I still want it.

[ColdSin]

Eight Days is just nearly impossible in terms of the smoothness of the animations. The impossibility doesn't come from technology. The impossibility comes from design. It is a matter of animations interfering in player agency. It is really hard to design.

[boing1]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[ColdSin]

Let me emphasize what I meant:
The CGI trailer of E3 2006.
The gameplay shown is not even near the smoothness of the "target trailer".

https://youtu.be/RDOZvKWXDP...

[ApocalypseShadow]

You must have never played Uncharted or Horizon. Next gen animation that is buttery smooth is achievable beyond what we see today on PS4.

The only reason 8 Days was canned was because it became redundant as a single player game among many Sony had during a time Sony was saving money and streamlining the company at the beginning of an economic downturn.

But the idea and potential is still there.

[Maywell]

Both console developed toward different branch, though overall of they are definitely a sigfinicant improvements from the previous generation.

Xbox Series X developed through common ways, increasing the CPU/GPU, SSD, etc.

However, PS5 developed uniquely differentiated even to PC platform with their SSD and custom hardware that also complement the SSD, thus making a unique and powerful game machine, compared to PC and Xbox Series X.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

The PS5 will likely change PC hardware going forward.

The people that can't see this are in for a big shock once Sony shows the first batch of 1st party trailers.

[SierraGuy]

Definitely a disruption.

[MecheSlays]

PC will have more powerful hardware than the consoles in every aspect aside from SSD tech because the newer faster Amd and NVIDIA gpus will release before the consoles drop. And already far exceed the consoles in cpu power. And that’s if the titan rtx isn’t already better than the SX gpu

[BenRC01]

Shoving more turbos in your car doesnt make it go round the nurburgring faster.

[Kdoge]

This is true, but SSDs are more important than people think so this is a really important innovation

[TheScotsman]

Wonder how much that will cost just for a titan rtx, if it's less than 200 then it's relevant to this convetsation. Other wise stop it with the pc stuff

[RazzerRedux]

"And already far exceed the consoles in cpu power. And that’s if the titan rtx isn’t already better than the SX gpu"

Uh...I have a feeling you wouldn't need a Titan to surpass XSX GPU. Probably a 2080 Super would do just fine. But that's speculation either way.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Meche - Its going over your head isn't it. You're comparing the status quo, Sony has bypassed traditional design.

PC will be playing catch up, and IF you happen to to be right - what percentage of PC gamers are running those high-end rigs?

Not many I'll be willing to bet.

[carlosjrix]

having a unique ssd-based architecture does not make it faster or more powerful. Xsx still has a higher configuration.

[Wontime1]

At this point I'm expecting an ssd with a ps5 logo on it

[dumahim]

There probably will be since they should be certified for size and speed.

[Hakuoro]

Sony does actually manufacture very high end SSD's, they are mostly for professional video though.

[itsmebryan]

But, he never explains of gives an example to what can be done with PS5s SSD. To at the end to say the XSX is stronger. What a useless article.

[waverider]

No? everything much, much faster and easy to achieve. Just that.

[ColdSin]

I think what the guy you are replying to refers to is in terms of gameplay. Not in terms of the benefits for the developers.

[itsmebryan]

NO, that is not what he said. Read the article again. He said the " PS5 SSD is fast on another level" but, he never said benefits.

Even on the PS4 Pro and the X1X the old hard drive wasn't the bottleneck it was the GPU or CPU. Ask the people with a PS4 Pro that added SSD all they really got was faster load times. Not improved frame rate or any performance increases.

[DJStotty]

@itsmebryan

Correct, an SSD can not improve framerates or performance, all it can do is get the data to the CPU/GPU at a faster pace, and then the CPU/GPU can process the data at their peak thresholds.

That is what eliminates the load times. But it all depends on how fast the system as a whole can operate.

If the CPU/GPU can not process the data it is receiving fast enough, then you will still get some sort of delay/load screen until it can process the data.

[Hakuoro]

Developers have already gone over some of the advantages. Like longer draw distance being able to use higher res textures eliminating LOD steps, and more elementary things like reducing GPU and CPU usage though efficient texture streaming.

Every developer doesn't need to repeat the same things for what they say to be valid.

[dumahim]

From gamingbolt? No! Say it isn't so.

[DJStotty]

Every article has said, this can do this better than PC, it can do this better.

And yet no proof to backup the claims. Rather than tell us what it can do, why not try showing us?

Actions speak louder than words.

[S2Killinit]

This isnt the first developer to talk about PS5 SSD. Also, he never said xsx is stronger. He said it is “stronger in many other ways”. The jest of the article is that he claims the PS5’s advantage is the biggest difference between the two consoles.

[carlosjrix]

"I have a ton of good to say about the SX. It’s an fantastic box that I’m incredibly excited for, and it has a power advantage over the PS5 in many ways. It is also capable of doing things the PS5 can’t or can’t do as well."

[Games1st]

Pc can do everything Xbox can, PS5 can do things pc and Xbox can’t do

[tontontam0]

The games made on xbox will just need a minor graphics update to run on ps5.

Games with levels designed to utilize ps5's ssd will have to be remodeled to make it run on xbox series x.

[ElementX]

I doubt the PS5 will run games series x can't, unless they're first party. PS5 can fill RAM in about a second, Series X in about 2. That's figuring that Series X has 10Gb of faster DDR6 for the GPU. Will games shift to streaming only what's on screen? Probably not, because there's nothing you can fit on screen that would use up all 10GB of GPU RAM, so you might as well fill the RAM with as many textures as you can, instead of reading the SSD constantly. Textures are going to be reused like they are now, so keeping them in RAM allows for faster access. Developers aren't going to create thousands more textures for games, that's expensive and time consuming.

As for UE5, there's speculation that demo was 100s of GB of assets for that quality, movie quality assets are not going to be used in games. If developers use 4k textures, at 8mb each, the series x is capable of loading around 600 textures per second, compressed. Of course you also have audio to load as well. With the Sampler feedback streaming, only the portions of textures a player can see are loaded so that reduces the amount of data that has to be read off the SSD. An area requiring 600+ different textures per second is ridiculous

[ElementX]

Here's an interesting article about file sizes and textures. https://www.pcgamer.com/why...

[borneFROMblood]

@ElementX it doesnt work like that.
If PS5 SSD is twice faster by the numbers it doesn't mean it's twice faster by seconds. It was explained in Road to PS5 video, how just inserting SSD into PS4 will only double the load speed even if that. But with a PS5 SSD they addressed to every component making it 100 times faster. I doubt Xbox will have that architecture that PS5 has, and it will work like a normal SSD instead of full focused all-round built I/O to compliment the SSD.
It's not just SSD that matters, it's the whole build.

[Hakuoro]

ElementX

What does that link have to do with anything?

Even if we assume the only benefit of the PS5's SSD will be raw read/write (which it won't it also has extremely advanced cache management and scrubbers that work directly with the GPU) in the time SX loads 600 textures the PS5 could load 1500 textures or 600 textures that are 65% larger.

[carlosjrix]

Games1st
like what? load faster?
are you aware that ps5 has a lower gpu?

[Traecy]

The PS5 is a unique beast!

[Petebloodyonion]

So let me get this straight. This is an article about the comments Matt made on a gaming forum ( https://www.resetera.com/)?
Who's Matt? It would be nice to know on what project he worked or he's working.

[ColdSin]

I really would like to know who Matt is.

[Games1st]

He's Matt

[Saaleh]

Also his nickname in the forum is Matt. His mother named him after Matt.

[SamTheGamer]

So nice to see devs praising PS5

[justsomeoffdude]

At this point unless a dev has some actual proof/data to prove what they are saying, I'd suggest they just shut the hell up.

[waverider]

proof? Bro, so many in denial.... Week after week devs praising the tech on the PS5, but Xbox Series X also with the mega studio that is making Scorn.... Also ubisoft show us that is easy to use the power of the Series X. Bro, it got 12 teraflops!.

[justsomeoffdude]

It is tiring to keep hearing the same thing over and over again... they should tell us how much faster their game's level/stage loaded on the ps5 vs xbsx or STFU, plain and simple. All this "oh ps5 ssd is faster", "xbsx is more powerful" is all imaginary shit in the sky, show the metrics/benchmarks or shut up

[SierraGuy]

Have a Snicker's offdude.

[chiefJohn117]

Sony PR team been hard at work

[borneFROMblood]

best PR , no PR.
Let the action do the talk, and the word of mouth.

Look at No Man's Sky, huge PR , awful result.
Then complete silence, no PR, success and one of the best redemptions in video game history.

[Starman69]

10.3 tf is good enough! 12tf is awsome!, nothing much in it.. . Ssd makes the next gen consoles far more enjoyable. Load times can be a real drag 😑. Ps5 will put playing games in the fast lane 😁. 10.3tf really is enough!!

[Weapon_of_choice]

Ohhhh Snap xbox!! Snap!!

[Games1st]

PS5 is literally game changing. Advancing how games are made and what's possible on screen.

[DiRtY]

„The SX more conventional than the PS5, and therefore less novel to talk about. It’s still a stronger system in many ways.“

So, GamingBolt decided to make a crazy headline out of this.

[waverider]

Exactly. Thats the reality. The series X is a very strong machine, but whats being hype is brand new tech /i/o that you cant find any where. CPU, GPU, RAM its cool and powerfull, but nothing new here. SSD tech and advanced i/o is the revolution for next gen on consoles. Its much more then loading, that will also be amaziing. I really pumped with what the studios will be able to do. All gamers should. Good times for gamers. Now im much more worried about a TV, because ive got just an 1080p..... Some gamers have told me to get the LG B9 or C9, that are getting much more cheaper.... but oled burn?

[tontontam0]

If I were mark cerny I would've chosen a regular ssd and then I would undercut xbox by $150.

Unfortunately I don't know anything about making consoles.

[Magog]

Everyone thinks he is talking about the SSD but he clearly said the I/O SSD combo is the game changer

[TheHan]

😂

[sin7279]

Oh gamingdolt again lol!

[mark3214uk]

both consoles have took a different approach to next gen but Microsoft have gone the normal pc route of better gpu,cpu ect whereas sony have not only done the above they have also gone the extra mile with the ssd and software designed to improve game speed and many other bottlenecks

devs are going to be able to do do amazing things with what sony have done

[DJStotty]

"PS5's I/O Speed Will "Allow for Things You Can't Do on Any Other Platform,"

Like show the console

[jwillj2k4]

Remember, one of the rules in fighting is speed = power 😏

[buffig]

If people don't know the difference between theoretical power and speed, they shouldn't be weighing in with their opinions on this matter

[ocelot07]

Ughhh gamingbolt

[Hayter456]

Series X more powerful but PS5 SSD faster. We know that by now.

[C-H-E-F]

Yeah, Microsoft Exec Bill Stillwell just confirmed this as well :)

[Minute Man 721]

Hype it up

[Minute Man 721]

This is just hype like "The Cell" n " The Emotion Engine"

Still show us that system Sony

[SierraGuy]

Show us the power of the cloud.

[galmi]

Will still wait to see real life speeds of this magical SSD and I/O that somehow completely negates CPU and GPU and RAM speeds.

Really love the new narrative being pushed

[Minute Man 721]

Remember when Sony showed Spiderman running on the Pro vs PS5???? And how fast it loaded?????

[FanboysKiller]

Io isn't secret souce, the custom parts made to free up cpu workloads that requires a whole core for each one of them, a zen 2 with 12 or 16 cores cpu can handle ps5 cpu equally with lesser number of cores .

[SierraGuy]

So are you applying for Cernys job? Because you seem to know more.

[waverider]

They dont understand that. It will also free more overhead for the cpu,... In the end the ps5 will aksi have more Juice on cpu then the series x

[Thundercat77]

PS5 architecture is so advance and like anything out there that Epic decided to create their new Unreal Engine 5 with the PS5 in mind.

That alone tells you how superior the PS5 architecture is from the Xbox sx. The tendency has been the same and developers are praising the PS5 over the Xbox sx.

Soon we will see why devs have proclaimed PS5 superior.

[Minute Man 721]

This reminds me of the "Blu Ray makes video games better" argument. Stuff like PS3 games gonna be HD because Blu Ray is HD. It's still storage LOL

[waverider]

It did.... You got more space to put more stuff.... The speed will allow to put much more stuff, bigger draw distance, more npcs, more enemies, more everything. But keep in denial. Fake is telling You gonna get 20 times the power of one xbox with the cloud.... I really dont understand why Microsoft need 12 teraflops....

[Mrwick890]

Technically yes but considering 95% of games have to be playable on HDD, its going to amount to practically nothing

[XxINFERNUSxX]

Just keep the "platform" to consoles. PC is and will always be on another level. You can have crazy ass speeds even on PCIE 3.0 with 2 nvme SSDs in RAID 0. PCIE 4.0 is just insane.

[GameStallion]

Would have been way more interesting if the article gave examples.

[Minute Man 721]

They can't give any real example besides loading assets

[iofhua2]

I'm impressed by it's hardware but Sony has censored so many games on Ps3 and Ps4 that I'm not interested in their new console.
https://forum.psnprofiles.c...

[Minute Man 721]

Pretty sure during R&D M$ clocked their SSD @ different speeds and determined the numbers they got is good enough.

[HannibalLecter]

Maybe they have. Sweet for you guys if they did honestly.

But what if they did their specs to what's going on currently in the tech space but not to where it's headed in the future.. See PlayStation went for tech that's coming. With their style of ssd not available on the market yet but soon. Their entire removal of bottle necks is the secret sauce, the game changer. All I can honestly say is hopefully they thought that way for xbox team as well. But looks more like a brute force approach from them.
Only the games will actually make a difference. Hardware can be a paper weight without the games to take advantage of said hardware..