Scorn Interview - Xbox Series X Is a 'Very Balanced System'; Trailer Was Running on an RTX 2080Ti

Wccftech talked to the Game Director of Scorn. He claims that the Xbox Series X is a very balanced system and clarifies the PC GPU used in the trailer showcased during the Inside Xbox episode.

[ccgr]

Looks nice, but not into horror games

[neutralgamer1992]

It's okay many companies do that I am sure starting with Sony's event both Ms and Sony will make it a point to make sure games are running on next gen hardware

[Cybermario]

interesting, sadly not my type of game

[Doink]

Let me guess minecraft and fortnite are your type of games

[xTheMercenary_]

@dcbronco Based on what information? The numbers on the specsheet? You idiots who know jack all about specs think numbers on a paper equal performance? Do you understand that NVIDIA’s graphics cards are more efficient per teraflop, core etc? So XSX is not on par with a 2080ti

[xer0]

Inside Xbox: lies and misdirection
Interesting that the trailer was not running off the xbox series x.

Shocked that this was running on the Nvidia RTX 2080Ti.

It makes Epics Unreal 5 showcase on PS5 hardware even more impressive!

[Steveoreno1]

@Acoldsoul88 with that logic Crackdown 3 at 4k/60 looks better than God of War at 1080/30. Give me that unreal engine video graphics at 1080p 60 and I'm happy

[dcbronco]

But they are using a 2080yi and Series X is on par with it. That's says a lot for Series X.

[cabbitwithscissors]

Talks about Xbox Series X but then shows the game trailer on a PC running an Nvidia GPU. What's the co-relation?

[Imp0ssibl3]

I knew it...All the trailers from that day were likely using high end PC GPUs.

[Kaedro]

Yep, If they were confident on their 12TF they would have shown the games running on their console.

[DigitallyAfflicted]

That sucks. Sony and Xbox have done this last gen :(

[Thatgrammar]

@DigitallyAfflicted

You're ridiculous haha. Sony showed off all of their first party games running on PS4 and then PS4 Pro when they showed gameplay. If the game was running "in engine" Sony would state that on the trailer/video and that was probably running on a PC. If the game was running on PS4 or PS4 Pro they would state as much. It seems nonsensical to bring up Playstation when you are complaining about how this developer ran this game during an Xbox presentation. Also, this game isn't made by "Xbox."

[LimpTool]

They only had access to the Series X for 2 months. Hard to create a demo on that short of notice.

[chiefJohn117]

It's a 3rd party game, the only reason it's even coming to Xbox is because it's the only console capable of running. Otherwise it would've been PC only. MS have 0 control over the game

[RazzerRedux]

@chiefJohn117

"It's a 3rd party game, the only reason it's even coming to Xbox is because it's the only console capable of running. Otherwise it would've been PC only. MS have 0 control over the game"

Total bullshit. The game recommends a PC with a GTX 970. A PS4 Pro can run this game. Hell....the minimum requirements are for a 750ti. lol....a base PS4 can run this game. I have already pointed this out and showed you the system requirements and yet here you are repeating this lie. Your bias is blinding you.

[Warhammerz]

@RazzerRedux

"Total bullshit. The game recommends a PC with a GTX 970. A PS4 Pro can run this game. Hell....the minimum requirements are for a 750ti. lol....a base PS4 can run this game. I have already pointed this out and showed you the system requirements and yet here you are repeating this lie. Your bias is blinding you."

Wrong... if you read the full length interview, they have not updated the Recommended Specs on the game yet.

"Are the system requirements listed on Steam still valid? They seem a bit low considering the level of visuals seen in the new Scorn trailer.

Yes, system requirements are old and will go up a bit for PC."

[RazzerRedux]

"Yes, system requirements are old and will go up a bit for PC"

That's good to know but even if the Recommended requirements become the Minimum requirements, it is still bullshit. You are telling me that the minimum requirements for this game are going to be the equivalent to a RDNA 2 12 TF GPU?

Come on. That is going up more than "a bit".

Edit: Oh...then there is this:

" Now, this is a tricky question as for some reason a lot of people feel that it should be quite easy to get 4K 60FPS on the PC even with this graphical fidelity, and that really isn't the case. For the showcase we used 2080Ti and a Ryzen processor just because there was no reason not to use it, but a 2070 Super with a mixture of settings is adequate to run the game at 4K 60FPS."

That's a 4.5 TF variance between 2080ti and 2070 Super. Don't tell me this game can't run on PS5.

[crazyCoconuts]

That's pretty embarrassing

[Obscure_Observer]

@crazyCoconuts

"That's pretty embarrassing"

Is it? Are you expecting all third party games to be presented running on actual PS5 hardware?

[gerbintosh]

@obscure_Observer

Yes? Why wouldn't they be presented on the hardware they are being programmed to run on? Too much false advertising in video games and people are now okay with it. Makes no sense.

[crazyCoconuts]

MS presented it as a big reveal, so yeah. It's not just some random trailer on YouTube. More like an event you advertised to show people what your upcoming console can do and the footage isn't running on your console. Not even close - a PC with an Nvidia card?

[garos82]

@obscure_observer
Is it? Are you expecting all third party game engines to be presented running on actual PS5 hardware?
oh wait...

[rainslacker]

"Are you expecting all third party games to be presented running on actual PS5 hardware?"

In general, yeah. Especially when it's being shown at an event that supposedly is showing games running on said system. Otherwise, it's just a general gaming press conference like we'd see from any other 3rd party publisher....which MS is essentially becoming anyways. At the very least nowadays, it should be disclosed either in the trailer, or almost immediately afterwards. Not a couple weeks later by the dev doing an interview with a two bit website.

I know that all companies sometimes show trailers that aren't from the system itself though, and while I don't keep up with a list, Sony has either disclosed what hardware a game is running on in the trailer itself, or said so after the fact if questioned, which they usually are if it's not disclosed.

I remember when GOW was making the rounds. People thought it was running on PS4P, when they actually showed it on the PS4. Crazy I know.

CGI teaser trailers I couldn't care less what they run it on. That'd usually be the teaser reveals, mainstream ads, or things of that nature.

[isarai]

Well yeah, if you check, every trailer had watermark on it saying "running on similar hardware at expected performance level" or something to that affect

[dRanzer]

So now a different of 2 tf doesn't make a change?
RTX is 13.5

[Fishy Fingers]

Thought consoles "punch above their weight"

So 2 tflops now makes a difference? Because I hear it's negligible when comparing the PS5s 10tf and the XB 12tf...

I expect a 2080ti is probably the closest like for like (PC vs console) GPU avaliable next to XB/PS5 (thanks to much better optimisation)

[ABizzel1]

@dRanzer

Stop misinforming people. These GPUs are not the same architectures, so it's not just a 2 TF difference, which is why the Series X is constantly being compared to the RTX 2080 and 2080s, not the 2080 ti.

STOP DOING THIS.

That being said it's not a huge difference anyway, because the range of current GPUs both RTX (and the PS5 / Series X) are all within a similar ballpark, framerates and resolution will be lower than what a 2080 Ti can do, but the results should still be fairly similar.

@Fishy Fingers

Consoles perform above their weight as time goes on, but rarely if ever do they perform on par with equivalent GPUs at launch, which is why a low-end GTX 750ti was outperforming the PS4 and XBO at their launch. It's not until the second wave of games 2 - 3 years later that consoles match their PC GPU equivalent, and another 2 - 3 years when they surpass them.

But in 2 - 3 years PC GPUs jump in performance, and in another 2 - 3 years we're entering the early phases of what next-gen is capable of.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

I would've thought the nasty disclaimer at the bottom of each trailer told you that on the day.

Nothing ms showed at their last 'event' was running on xbox series x hardware.

That's why they rightly got torn to shreds.

[Obscure_Observer]

@xX-oldboy-Xx

"That's why they rightly got torn to shreds."

Bookmarked.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

You need to bookmark that?

Oh I see - you think Sony will do the same FOR. EVERY. SINGLE. TRAILER.

One company plays games with its customers, the other makes games for its customers.

[rainslacker]

Don't be too hard on Obscure. He needs a hobby while he waits for the next big MS event.

[darthv72]

News flash... everything is built using high end PC/GPU's. What do you think a dev kit is? Its usually a high end PC that is representative of what a console would be but with more punch because it has to do more with debugging and running unoptimized code.

Are you new to this because its been that way since the 7th gen.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Newsflash - When you advertise games running on hardware your trying to convince people to buy - you actually need to show it.

Are you so well trained by ms that when they say something which is clearly a lie - you lose the ability to call them out?

Next Thursday for you, Friday for me - we will get to see what next gen should look like. Running on the hardware that will be sold to consumers.

[rainslacker]

Early dev kits are often high end PC's(for the time) that have similar or slightly better specs to what is expected in the console.

Actual dev kits are typically slightly upclocked versions of the regular console, with extra memory, connections for data transfer to PC, and debugger software.

Otherwise, games are actually just developed on PC. Dev kits are just used for testing and final builds more often than not. Kind of depends on what is being done at that stage in the production. That's why so may engines that build to console also build to PC. Because it's just easier to quickly test pieces of code without loading a whole part of the game into a dev kit, which takes time.

[mandingo]

When did they say it was running on Xbox series x

[chiefJohn117]

3rd party event so ya probably

[Kaedro]

This is why you cannot trust Microsoft. The event was called inside xbox and they show a game running on freaking RTX 2080ti. Is there a 2080ti inside XSX? No!They are unshamefully lying to the consumers.

[crazyCoconuts]

Inside Xbox: lies and misdirection

[RpgSama]

Not only did they say it was going to be a gameplay showcase (it wasn't), the cinematics they showed weren't even running on their console.

[crazyCoconuts]

I hope for their sake that most of the consumers don't see the level of BS that they shovel out. What genius over there thought this was a good idea

[nirwanda]

It's only the same as everyone saying the epic tech demo was running on a ps5 when it was a ps5 Dev kit, everyone knows Dev kits have a higher spec than a standard console no matter which format.
It will have much more ram and higher clocks and usually built from pc architecture until the final kit is out and even then it's over clocked and contains more ram.

[crazyCoconuts]

No @nirwanda, it's NOTHING like that

[nirwanda]

The higher than 12 tf rumours stemmed from the Dev kit spec which are which are apparently over 12tf.

[darthv72]

I don't see why anyone is surprised by this. The inside xbox thing was the 3rd parties showing their wares that are coming to xbox just as it was epic showing what their new engine is capable on ps5. When anyone is showcasing something, they will do it in the best possible way.

And honestly we don't even know if it was a ps5 dev kit that was used for that epic demo. I mean its pretty easy to add console button overlays to things on a PC given the use of console controllers with PC these days.

[nirwanda]

Of course it's the same when GDC demo was due hardware was nowhere near final for example Devs have only just got the pad.
The chips are not tapped out until as late as possible so games are built on pc architecture as it takes years to make a game they have a projected spec and have a higher spec and scale down when final kits are released.
The best example of this is the Xbox one at E3 just before launch crashing out to a Windows screen running Nvidia GPUs.

[Thatgrammar]

@niwanda

I have never heard of a dev. kit having higher specs than a standard console. The manufacturer would want the specs to be the exact same so that developers can optimize the game for the hardware right? That sounds logical to me. I have never heard any developer state that the dev kits are more powerful. However, I am not a developer or working in the industry so I don't talk to the people in the know. All I can go off of is publicly stated information. Seeing as how this was running on a dev. kit and the PS5 console is not out until the later months of the year, how do you expect developers to run games or demos on a PS5? Isn't the Dev kit the unit they have access to? And where are you getting your information? I am always open to discussion.

[crazyCoconuts]

@darth, the Force is strong with you, but I'm not buying it. In the end, this won't hold up to the court of public opinion

[nirwanda]

@thatgrammer here is a link to the spec of the one X as you can see it has a much larger bank of memory which is common for a Dev kit https://gamingbolt.com/xbox...

[rainslacker]

The PS5 dev kit doesn't run at 12TF. So the rumor is pointless. All dev kits are slightly more powerful than the release console, and they do indeed have more memory, but that's because code in development tends to be bloated, and since dev kits have debugging software included, they need that extra space and resources to perform those functions. Dev kits are not upclocked by 20% of the base though. 5% is an extreme, and at that amount, you're not going to see much difference between code in development and final optimized code. The upclock is there more to handle the debugging software than it is to handle the GPU. Since the debugger uses CPU processes, they need that headroom to handle that, but allow the game to run within the same amount of power it will have on the final release. Since clock speed of the CPU is directly linked to the speed of the GPU, it will raise the power.

Dev kits also have the ability to run in native mode....for testing purposes that don't require debugging, usually for final builds...and it basically just runs like a normal system, but allows access to whatever is built in to jump around in the game to test different things.

Because of this, just because a game is stated to run on a dev kit, it doesn't also mean that the extra power of the dev kit, as minimal as it is to the performance of the game, is actually being used. Usually live shows of game play are done in this way, with a build that just loads up the demo version of the game build.

[xetiro]

@niwanda
Dev kits extra resources are completely locked reserved for debugging. It allows developers to attach several profile tools to the games executables, so they can debug CPU/GPU/RAM usage of their games without interfering with the game's performance on target hardware.

So your suggestion that devs would use that extra resources to develop and showcase better looking games that otherwise couldn't run on the target hardware, is simple not true.

In other hand, using a different hardware setup such a PC build with a different CPU/RAM/GPU, if without any sorts of environment target constraints besides "it's somewhat similar", would in fact allow developers to take advantage of the extra specs to develop/showcase software that is not truly representative of their target machines...

[mandingo]

The same genius who thought 9 tf was a good idea.

[super_bruno]

@Kaedro
Huh? Lying to who. They had a disclaimer at the beginning of all the trailers.

"Game and console in development.
Footage Representative of expected Xbox Series X Gameplay."

Go back and watch them again. I don't know whats more retarded MS showing footage on a PC or people talking out of their behinds.

[crazyCoconuts]

I'll go with MS showing footage on a PC for $500, Bob.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

super_bruno - No, no - the lies were leading up to the event.

How much more in your face can you get. Just go back and watch/read any video/article from Phil or Aaron in the weeks leading up to the event.

This shouldn't be given a pass or defended by you lot.

It's not acceptable from ms. The gen hasn't even started and they're off to a flyer.

[super_bruno]

"It's not acceptable from ms. The gen hasn't even started and they're off to a flyer."

Taking gaming too seriously. hahah!

@crazyCoconuts

It's equally retarded.

[rainslacker]

But there was no game play....so, are they suggesting that the XSX can produce game play on the level of in game rendered cut scenes? Disclaimer or not, it's still deceiving.

I think everyone agrees that non game play scenes usually look better than actual game play....so what exactly are you defending MS of being honest about here?

[cabbitwithscissors]

Everyone remembers what Ubisoft did with their bait and switch development of Watch Dogs and other games in their catalog, EA's Mass Effect: Andromeda and Anthem , Bethesda's Fallout 76, Microsoft's Halo 5:Guardians, Sony's Resistance: Fall of Man?

All these games final outlook didn't portray the feel of what they were supposed to.
Better take all these with huge grains of salt before the launch.

[mandingo]

You are unshamefully ignorant expecting it to be running on xsx. All they said was they are showing games coming to xsx. They never said it was running on the x. Listen. It’s not difficult

[Redemption-64]

So the trailer that was shown was not running on an xbox?

[nirwanda]

Yep nearly all games demoed for a system that isn't out yet are not on final hardware.
Anyone remember the Xbox one demos at E3 that crashed to a Windows blue screen of death then it all came out they were not on final hardware they were on Nvidia GPUs.

[Redemption-64]

I am actually very surprised by this, I didn't think MS would be stupid enough to use trailers of games running on a PC, after spending months telling us how powerful their new system is and what it can do

[Sunny_D]

With less than a year before release, they definitely should have hardware to run these games. The Epic tech demo states it was on PS5 and that isn’t out yet.

[SamTheGamer]

"Trailer Was Running on an RTX 2080Ti"
WTH?

[FlavorLav01]

Even the CGI trailer wasn’t running on the seriesX!? Damn MS, way to introduce YOUR beastly product.

[Tacoboto]

Does it even matter for a game with no release date? In a world where Square posts FFVII Remake videos to the official PlayStation YouTube channel using footage from the still-not-announced PC version, this is a non-issue.

Was Godfall's trailer running on a PS5?

[FlavorLav01]

Sure, for games that are years off and not meant to demonstrate the power of your newest product. Godfall wasn’t part of a Sony event showing off the “power” of the PS5. These games were hand selected by MS to do just that, and kinda sucked it up. Guaranteed PS doesn’t make the same mistake next week.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Was GodFall at a specific event tailored to show gameplay?

One or 2 trailers maybe you can pass - but the WHOLE event had disclaimers running it.

Why do you think ms felt the need to apologise the week after.

They knew they mucked up, seems its customers didn't see it that way.

[rainslacker]

Godfall trailer wasn't released solely as a PS5 trailer that I recall. It just happened to be a confirmed PS5 game. It also wasn't at an event specifically for PS5. It wasn't sponsored by Sony as representative of what PS5 was capable of.

There are quite a few differences.

Maybe Sony's event next week there will be more ammo to call out some kind of hypocrisy among PS gamers, but as of now, there is no correlative scenario that Sony is guilty of whatever MS is being accused of.

[isarai]

Looking at the comments i'm surprised how many people didn't notice the fine print at the beginning of every trailer from the MS Gameplay reveal stating “representative of expected Xbox Series X” gameplay or visual quality. In-engine. As in not actually running on a series x. Check for yourself.

https://youtu.be/L70eSmtK7u...

[Mr Logic]

We know. The problem is that 2080ti is not representative of Xbox Series X capabilities.

[Tacoboto]

The Series X is seemingly just as capable if not more [based on their details regarding the Gears 5 demo running on Series X itself at 4k above 60fps with settings exceeding PC Ultra]

[Minute Man 721]

Tacoboto

DF did a nice breakdown

[Tacoboto]

Indeed they did. UE4 will still be used heavily the next few years so that was a great way to see what well-optimized games will be able to look like, not being visually held back by OG Xbox One

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Well you're wrong.

[RazzerRedux]

@343_Guilty_Spark

"Well you're wrong."

lol....no he is not. 2080 ti is a different architecture from a different company. You are more accurate in saying PS5's UE5 demo was representative of XSX capabilities as they at the very least share a common architecture and manufacturer.

@Tacoboto

"The Series X is seemingly just as capable if not more [based on their details regarding the Gears 5 demo running on Series X itself at 4k above 60fps with settings exceeding PC Ultra]"

Incorrect. DF compared it to an RTX 2080.

"On top of that, Gears 5's cutscenes - running at 30fps on Xbox One X - were upped to a flawless 60fps. We'll be covering more on this soon, but there was one startling takeaway - we were shown benchmark results that, on this two-week-old, unoptimised port, already deliver very, very similar performance to an RTX 2080."
https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

[Tacoboto]

@Razzer And you conveniently leave out the next paragraph, this little remark:

"...especially knowing how much untapped performance is still there in the box based on the work we've done so far."

2 weeks, no optimizations, already equivalent to 2080... according to DF's eye. On Xbox Wire, they detail that it's running at over 100fps, dialed up to Ultra, with 50% more particle effects. So regardless of 2080 or the ti, it's running at those rates with settings impossible on the PC build.

[RazzerRedux]

@Tacoboto

Conveniently left out nothing. You are just speculating wildly. Like this...

"So regardless of 2080 or the ti, it's running at those rates with settings impossible on the PC build."

What bullshit is that? The Coalition "conveniently left out" how they got the game running at 100fps. What resolution? Was it the same dynamic resolution they used to get the game to 4k/60 on Xbox One X? We don't know. I can get just about any game in my library over 100 fps on my PC if I change enough settings. So what is the point of yapping about 100 fps without context? Saying it is "impossible" on PC is just made up nonsense.

[rlow1]

It wouldn't have mattered on this website.

[gold_drake]

im confused. i thought this trailer was running on the series x? odd.

[Futureshark]

Classic MS smoke & mirrors from Philled Sphincter and co.
I noticed the phrase 'Target render' being bandied about during that Xbox show, that means to me that they'd like it to look like that, but it probably won't in the end.
Of course, as Palpatine Spencer said the other day, you can't count on graphics, you need to feeeeeeel the next gen games to really experience them.
What a load of usual MS bull$h1t.

[RamRod88]

MS never said the trailer was running on an Series X. It was even stated during the presentation at the top of the screen.

[tontontam0]

This dev should just shut up, they are just doing more damage.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

You can blame ms for that - they're eroding any positive news associated with their brand.

It's fantastic to see if I'm honest.

[russo121]

It seems to apply an old proverb saying, "the fish dies by its mouth"

[PMind]

H.P. Giger, huh? As a lifelong H.R.Giger fan this is a wet dream come true. This is like Dark Seed on a whole new level. Excited.

[Benficaman]

hi end pc demo..... deja vu

[buffig]

So, Epic show a real time demo running on an actual ps5 and "it's not gameplay!" But the showcase of XSX features cinematics running on a 2080TI, a £1000 GPU, and it's all fine?

[SamTheGamer]

LOL

[rainslacker]

Seems like a perfectly fine equivalency to me. What's the problem? The only logical conclusions are that Sony is wrong, and that is why MS is screwing up most of the meaningful chances they have at promoting their system.

[FlyingFoxy]

The new gen 3070 should be half the price and just as good/better than the 2080Ti esp in RT performance, this gen has been a milking, new cards can't come soon enough.

[rlow1]

@buffig Had they not noted it on every trailer played then it would be an issue.

[buffig]

They said target footage. They didn't say it was running on a 2080ti

[rlow1]

Didn't need to. They said it was representative of the Xbox Series. So that logically indicates that it's not running on the system. Knowing that the system is more powerful than pretty much any of the existing PC cards. That would indicate a high end card. Again, had they not put a disclaimer on the videos then i could understand your gripe.

[RazzerRedux]

"Knowing that the system is more powerful than pretty much any of the existing PC cards. "

How in the world are you coming to that conclusion when the Scorn PC system requirements say the game would run just fine on PS4 Pro? This game in no way made the RTX 2080 ti sweat.

[rainslacker]

we were using the RTX2080Ti at work for most of last year. They're a fine card.

From what I've seen, XSX can indeed reach visuals of that quality in some areas, but there are specific hardware advantages to the PC version which simply don't exist on consoles. XSX has some advantages in other places, however.

I never took the time to really analyze the trailer to say if the dev was maybe using features that wouldn't be on the console GPU, but given the visual quality of the game, which isn't bad mind you, I'm going to go with the idea that it doesn't matter in this case, because the dev doesn't have the resources or knowledge on how to actually achieve the full potential of the XSX hardware anyways.

Gotta remember, this devs idea of parity is making the min specs what was equivalent to this gen's PS4 launch console. Cranking up some graphics settings isn't really taking advantage of what the 2080Ti has to offer, it's just throwing better assets and maybe lighting at a faster GPU.

[Destiny1080]

So nothing at the xbox gameplay reveal was running on an actual xbox

LMAO

[SamTheGamer]

😂😂

[masterfox]

that's even sadder that's wasn't even running on the new xbox, this is the PR I hate the most showing something that supposed to be running on a xbox but in the end it was running on a complete different hardware , I mean is Nvidia for god sake the new xbox is running on a AMD architecture.

[Tacoboto]

Microsoft and Nvidia partnered up super heavily for Minecraft RTX, and Microsoft premiered AMD's Ray Tracing implementation running on Series X with more Minecraft demos...

[Fishy Fingers]

There are no comparable AMD GPUs in terms of performance or architecture to what you'll find in PS/XB. They dont release until Q4.

What would you suggest the developers use? You think Epic built that UE5 demo on a 5700XT before porting?

[masterfox]

Claiming or showing something to a consumer that it supposed to be played on a device they are advertising but in reality what they are showing is running on a device that is completely different of the device the consumer will get is ethically wrong , deceiving the consumer that way is not correct from whatever angle you want to see it.

For the UE5 tech demo the developers openly confirm the demo was running on a PS5 hardware,lets say if later on they claim the video they show was running on high end PC instead, well that's wrong as well simple as that.

[Fishy Fingers]

That would be true, had MS not slapped a clear disclaimer on every video as they did.

And as I said, you think the UE5 demo was build on a PS5 dev kit? It would of built on PC (like every PS or XB game ever made) and ported and I can all but guarantee that PC would of used Nvidia GPUs as AMD have nothing avaliable that can replicate PS5/XB performance (the PC equivalent dont exist yet).

[RazzerRedux]

The Scorn developer doesn't even need the 5700XT. The PC recommended specs are for a R9 290 or a GTX 970.

"That would be true, had MS not slapped a clear disclaimer on every video as they did."

You have to read each one carefully as Scorn says the footage is representative of "visuals" while the Dirt 5 footage says it is representative of "gameplay". So their disclaimers are not even consistent from one video to the next. I wouldn't call these disclaimers "clear" when you have to basically pause each video and parse every word in the fine print.

[russo121]

One of the secret sources undisclosed, real amazing stuff. There will be more for sure.

[Father__Merrin]

what would the trailer look on a 1060? they always show PC reveals on the maximum spec never minimum or medium

[Jon_Targaryen]

like Jim Sterling said... liars year.

[FanboySpotter]

Nice. These are the same devs that said series x was on par with PC version of this game so now we know what to expect

[Voodoopower73]

Why was a 2080ti needed. Sorry but i'm not impressed with those graphics at all.

[ironmonkey]

Wait so this was a lie? Damn ms still screwin with you guys.

[Father__Merrin]

Was any games running on a series X? Sony can now capitalise and show direct Ps5 gameplay to counter this. They need to display gameplay visuals especially games that have been built for Ps5 showing off all the features we will all be enjoying.

I'm hoping a sneak peak at gran turismo 7 and a new launch resistance 4 aka 4k. I've taken a back seat in the console scene since 2016 ish but I'm hoping Ps5 launch can rekindle that new console feeling of the ps3 when I bought one.

PS. N4g will be one of the Internet biggest shit shows come next Thursday...