Unreal Engine 5 Will Allow Movie Quality Assets in Video Games

Unreal Engine 5 is set to bring some major graphical advancements as content creators will no longer have to downscale movie assets.

[NewMonday]

PS5 is over 120% stronger than Xbox SX at streaming those high quality assets. the SSD dose influence graphics.

[Destiny1080]

Epic's vice president of engineering, Nick Penwarden, touched on this point in a post-demo stream. "There are tens of billions of triangles in that scene, and we simply couldn't have them all in memory at once," he says, referring to a bunch of statues in the demo. "So what we ended up needing to do is streaming in triangles as the camera is moving throughout the environment. The IO capabilities of PlayStation 5 are one of the key hardware features that enable us to achieve that level of realism."

[NewMonday]

This!

PS5 is graphically more capable because XBoxSX will waist a lot of it's power pre-rendering off-screen.

[MecheSlays]

doesn't mean series x cant do it lmfaooo.what are yall gonna say when ur5 uses all of this and runs it better on sx?

[darthv72]

you know, people keep saying this like the SX has some sort of hamster wheel in there transferring data between the memory and the drive. It too has an accelerated buffer to speed things up so it's no slouch.

[Software_Lover]

*sigh*
@NewMonday please do the same thing that you tell Xbox fanboys to do and that is reasearch before you post something fanboyish on the internet.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

The XSX does the same thing. Only renders what you see. Having said that, it is all about the gaming engine used.

[NewMonday]

@Software_Lover

Yah I know that video. did you pay attention to when he said it depends on the mesh quality? didn't think so. the SX just isn't capable of doing this with high quality assets demonstrated in the PS5 demo.

[hennessey86]

@Newmonday, how the hell do you know. Until we see an actual game using this tech on both machines we can only speculate

[NewMonday]

@hennessey86

you forced me to all cap this
Tim Sweeney:"THIS SORT OF DETAIL YOU DON’T SEE IN THE WORLD WOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT BE POSSIBLE AT ANY SCALE WITHOUT THESE BREAKTHROUGHS THAT SONY’S MADE”

[Babadook7]

XSX will use this tech. But of course not as efficiently as PS5 which was tailored for this as opposed to shoehorned in half way like MS did. Here's a podcast that tells the story quite well by Moore's Law... https://www.youtube.com/wat...

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[Looper]

At glorious 30fps too!

[DJStotty]

@Echo_

sssshhhh, don't burst that PS5 secret sauce bubble.

[Freedomland]

You know Epic used 8K textures in that demo. Even the high end pc would shudder to play such a demo and that's why Epic was so excited to show it. These developers are not any indie developers, they know what they are doing.

[i3eyond the Circle]

Velocity Architecture and their VRS technique most likely negates this. Not only can several gigabytes of data be streamed instantly it can be allocated to what’s only in sight to maximize performance to ensure these fast streaming assets can be displayed consistently at a higher quality..

You guys honestly believe Xbox just sat on their hands lol

UE5 has ray tracing and for a company that worked so closely with a manufacture have no implementation of it in a tech demo doesn’t sit right. Ray tracing is a big feature I want to see more of next gen.

[NewMonday]

SX streams several gigabytes less. it just cant do the demo. Xbox is bottlenecked. your made up numbers don't exist on the console.

[Kumakai]

no its not LOL.
heres a lesson for you:
The Series X has a bigger GPU with ~ 35% more power than the ps5
The Series X has a significantly wider, faster RAM bandwidth
The Series X and PS5 both have NVMe SSDs.
The PS5 SSD is in fact much much faster than the Series X with a big BUT.... Both systems data compression with dedicated hardware decompression chips to stream data off the hard drive. The raw transfer on the ps5 is ~ 5gb/s. using the compression it get up to 8-9gb/s (why they say 8-9gb compressed)
The Series X NVMe is slower at 2.4ish gb/s raw and up to 5-6gb/s compressed. this right here would net you about a quarter to half a second difference in real world performance, but heres why the Series X can still keep up even beyond this... its operating on a faster bus with more bandwidth. So while the ps5 can suck data off faster, the Series X can actually put that data into memory faster and go back for more on a continuous cycle at its frequency clock. It also has more power to process the memory coming in due to dedicated controllers and a faster clocked cpu.

In short, this means the real world differences will be invisible. What wont be invisible is that the Series X will be able to run higher resolutions or more effects than the ps5.

[NewMonday]

In the real world the difference is PS5 can run this demo, the XBoxSX can't.

[Babadook7]

@Kumakai

This was quite a lot of BS, so lets go through this..

"The Series X has a bigger GPU with ~ 35% more power than the ps5"

- No. A mere 18% more power. Power scales with GPU "size" AND clock speed. Don't lie now. 18% is the real number.

"The Series X has a significantly wider, faster RAM bandwidth"

- The speed of the RAM is the same, the width is BOTH wider AND narrower on XSX.The total bandwidth therefore is not significantly faster. ( about 6%)

"The Series X and PS5 both have NVMe SSDs.
The PS5 SSD is in fact much much faster than the Series X with a big BUT.... Both systems data compression with dedicated hardware decompression chips to stream data off the hard drive. The raw transfer on the ps5 is ~ 5gb/s. using the compression it get up to 8-9gb/s (why they say 8-9gb compressed)"

- 5.5 GB/s, not 5. Furthermore, 8-9 is the AVERAGE when compressed for PS5 not "up to". In fact the decompressed LIMIT on PS5 is a whopping 22 GB/s, more than 3x the (6GB/s) limit on XSX. The real world usage will for certain be greater with compression than the RAW throughput because PS5 is much stronger at decompression.

"The Series X NVMe is slower at 2.4ish gb/s raw and up to 5-6gb/s compressed. this right here would net you about a quarter to a second of difference in real world performance,"

- Again 6 GB/s vs 22 GB/s XSX can not dream of keeping up with PS5 in loading and culling assets. Something the PS5 was made for and XSX just barely attempts to imitate. Loading assets in .25 seconds vs .08 seconds would be a massive difference for this engine.

"but heres why the Series X can still keep up even beyond this... its operating on a faster bus with more bandwidth."

- Wrong. The speed on PS5 I/O goes up more significantly because of CACHE, which is based on clock speed and PS5 has significantly higher clock speed.

[Sayai jin]

Dude stop. The tech demo was super impressive, but will is capable on both platforms. I don't get what you guys get out of PR campaigning for MS, Ninty, or Sony....

Afterall, that tech demo ran at 1440 30FPS.

[NewMonday]

Dude stahp!

anouther all caps for you
Tim Sweeney:"THIS SORT OF DETAIL YOU DON’T SEE IN THE WORLD WOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT BE POSSIBLE AT ANY SCALE WITHOUT THESE BREAKTHROUGHS THAT SONY’S MADE”

[Sayai jin]

Seeing how I am a multi platform, your comment doesn't mean much. I can see by your comment here and history I won't get a mature conversation with you. If you want to do more PR for some company, just make sure you are getting something for it...if not, it's rather sad....

[JeffGUNZ]

lol at NewMonday blowing his load over a tech demo at 1440p 30 FPS without ray tracing . I'd be impressed if this could even run at 1440p at 60 FPS with ray tracing. I am playing shit on my PC at 144 FPS with ray tracing, games on max settings. Imagine being this much of a fanboy over this lol.

[pitythefool]

I think the XSX ultimately will end up running the vast majority of games better, doesn't really change that their gameplay show has been overshadowed by a tech demo.

Even in 1440p with no ray tracing.

[Software_Lover]

I agree. They got One Upped by a tech demo.

The demo was great. I can’t wait to see what devs do with UE5

[DJStotty]

Tech demo's always look better than what gets delivered in the games.

Remember Agni's Philosophy?

If not here you go, bearing in mind this tech demo is 8 years old. Before the launch of the PS4. Same scenario, both real-time tech demo's.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Impressive eh?

[Espangerish]

I’m a self confessed PS fanboy but I can see that the new Xbox has the edge on the PS5 in terms of raw power.

In the end though this generation will come down the games and particularly the exclusives rather than the power. Just like every single generation before it.

[Freedomland]

@pitythefool
Unreal Engine 5 doesn't need ray tracing, they are replacing it with Lumen and they used it in the demo and by the way 8K textures were used in the demo as I mentioned above.

[pitythefool]

I was mocking the downplaying above.

[Kumakai]

to all saying the Series X couldn't do this b/c of the difference in SSD speeds.
First of LOL.
Second:
The Series X has a bigger GPU with ~ 35% more power than the ps5
The Series X has a significantly wider, faster RAM bandwidth
The Series X and PS5 both have NVMe SSDs.
The PS5 SSD is in fact much much faster than the Series X with a big BUT.... Both systems data compression with dedicated hardware decompression chips to stream data off the hard drive. The raw transfer on the ps5 is ~ 5gb/s. using the compression it get up to 8-9gb/s (why they say 8-9gb compressed)
The Series X NVMe is slower at 2.4ish gb/s raw and up to 5-6gb/s compressed. this right here would net you about a quarter to a second of difference in real world performance, but heres why the Series X can still keep up even beyond this... its operating on a faster bus with more bandwidth.

So while the ps5 can suck data off faster, the Series X can actually put that data into memory faster and go back for more on a continuous cycle at its frequency clock (which is faster than the ps5's and locked). It also has more power to process the memory coming in due to dedicated controllers and a faster clocked cpu. It's also here where we also realize that Sony is getting about 30% compression rates on its new engine. MS is getting 50-60% compression off of its new engine. All of these secondary advantages are what keep Series X data streaming right on performance par w/ ps5 in real world settings. You'll never see the difference. But the series X will also be able to run higher performance on top of all this.

In short, this means the real world differences will be invisible. What wont be invisible is that the Series X will be able to run higher resolutions or more effects than the ps5.

[HumbledManiak]

Do you just copy and paste your own comments multiple types.

Secondly, it's 16% and not 35% for the GPU

[DJStotty]

Sometimes people need to be told things multiple times before they listen to the truth.

[iQuasar]

Get a load of Franky over here folks.

GPU is God and CPU, memory, or storage play absolutely no role in what ends up on the screen.

[Babadook7]

@Kumakai

This was quite a lot of BS, so lets go through this..

"The Series X has a bigger GPU with ~ 35% more power than the ps5"

- No. 18% power. Power scales with GPU "size" AND clock speed. Don't lie now. 18% is the real number.

"The Series X has a significantly wider, faster RAM bandwidth"

- The speed of the RAM is the same, the width is BOTH wider AND narrower on XSX.The total bandwidth therefore is not significantly faster. ( about 6%)

"The Series X and PS5 both have NVMe SSDs.
The PS5 SSD is in fact much much faster than the Series X with a big BUT.... Both systems data compression with dedicated hardware decompression chips to stream data off the hard drive. The raw transfer on the ps5 is ~ 5gb/s. using the compression it get up to 8-9gb/s (why they say 8-9gb compressed)"

- 5.5 GB/s, not 5. Furthermore, 8-9 is the AVERAGE when compressed for PS5 not "up to". In fact the decompressed LIMIT on PS5 is a whopping 22 GB/s, more than 3x the (6GB/s) limit on XSX. The real world usage will for certain be greater with compression than the RAW throughput because PS5 is much stronger at decompression.

"The Series X NVMe is slower at 2.4ish gb/s raw and up to 5-6gb/s compressed. this right here would net you about a quarter to a second of difference in real world performance,"

- Again 6 GB/s vs 22 GB/s XSX can not dream of keeping up with PS5 in loading and culling assets. Something the PS5 was made for and XSX just barely attempts to imitate. Loading assets in .25 seconds vs .08 seconds would be a massive difference for this engine.

"but heres why the Series X can still keep up even beyond this... its operating on a faster bus with more bandwidth."

- Wrong. The speed on PS5 goes up more significantly because of CACHE, which is based on clock speed and PS5 has significantly higher clock speed.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

The PC will be the first to show what UE5 can really do. Just a fact the PC has way more horsepower and if the devs really tap into it be ready for a wild ride :D If the nVidia leaks are true then it will be a huge jump in GPU performance. RTX 3080 with a supposed 21 TFLOPS, and much better performance with ray tracing on. The future looks great.

[starchild]

Yeah, things are really getting exciting in the PC space too. With Nvidia's new Ampere graphics cards, AMD's Zen 3 processors, Intel's Rocket Lake S processors and AMD's RDNA 2 graphics cards, and Intel even entering the discrete graphics card market, things are going to be incredibly exciting and competitive starting in a few months.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

I'm just hoping that the new RTX cards are not priced outrageously, well the Ti yes but the rest I hope not :D

[GreatSako2020]

I am still on GTX 970 🤣. If sony keeps with the mid generation upgrades like the pro, I won't play on PC again.

[Babadook7]

PC is an afterthought. All current gaming PCs are incapable of running that demo as is. PS5 will show what UE5 was made for. In fact it already has.

[DJStotty]

What game built for PS5 is using these UE5 features?

I am genuinely interested in knowing? What... none known so far??

[JeffGUNZ]

LOL. What?! You do realize that game is running on a tech demo at 1440p at 30 fps with NO ray tracing. My PC is running games, with ray tracing, 2K at 144 FPS on ultra settings. The tech demo is very nice, but to think this isn't capable on "all current gaming PC's" is just laughable.

[Babadook7]

DJStotty

PS5 nor this engine are out. As of now PS5 dev kit was the best way to introduce the engine. When the first games come out, PS5 will have the edge in significant ways.

JeffGUNZ

"My PC is running games, with ray tracing, 2K at 144 FPS on ultra settings."

Ultra "current gen" settings. Yawn. I've never seen ANY PC run raytracing that seems even remotely close to this demo. Please share a video of a game that looks better than this.

"The tech demo is very nice, but to think this isn't capable on "all current gaming PC's" is just laughable."

Here's Tim Sweeney "[The real Engine 5 tech demo] would absolutely not be possible at any scale without these breakthroughs that Sony's made."

PC I/O, pales in comparison to PS5 with its many customizations, and they are what makes this whole thing possible. PC can do something similar at about 1/4 the performance.

[JeffGUNZ]

Yeah, I am currently running RTX 2080, and that will be beastly for years, but if the 3080 isn't grossly expensive, I will be very tempted to upgrade.

[Babadook7]

That's garbage at ray tracing. The handful of games that use ray tracing as of now are a joke. Prepare to upgrade your PC next year to keep up.

[JeffGUNZ]

Yeah, let me trash my PC and upgrade to a godly $500 ps5 LOL

[medman]

It would be nice if gamers would stop beating down one console or the other and just enjoy the fact that next gen is looking pretty promising for consoles and pc.

[Nacho_Z]

It would be but it's been going on for decades and shows no sign of stopping. There are lots of things worth fighting for in life...but a plastic game box isn't one of them.

I reckon both consoles will have nigh on identical performance and all the bickering over power will be irrelevant.

[medman]

I agree. Obviously the ps5 will do some things better than series x, and the series x will do some things better than ps5, but they will both be fantastic.

[GOULDYBOBS]

You guys getting chufties, this engine will run on both consoles and PC

[ps5fanboy]

movie quality on p5...