PS5’s Tempest Engine Is Hardware Accelerated, Will Be A Huge Boost To CPU – Hellpoint Dev

“There’s no reason not to use it,” says Hellpoint technical director Marc-André Jutras.

[IRetrouk]

Really just want to see the console tear down now, really interested in how it's all been put together, are we getting a traditional shape or something a bit more unique? The audio engine is cool though, a whole gpu just to do sound, crazy.

[Retroman]

Show the Dab-burn console already.

Controller look great.

[IRetrouk]

Yeah I get they will show when ready but i am getting impatient now lol

[Babadook7]

The rumor is the console will be shown when they get the first batch off assembly line. Should be soon.

[IRetrouk]

Yeah it's either sometime this month or next, cant see it being any longer than that, just being impatient, but I'm ready lol.

[PyroMessiah86]

Controller looks like a tanktop. Features maybe better than it looks but it looks pretty bad tbh

[Iberius]

Normally, I'd say they'll stick to tradition, but the controller makes me think it might be more unique than we're expecting. I'll hazard a guess though and say it will not look like a refrigerator.

[IRetrouk]

I defo think its gonna be two-toned like the controller, just wondering about that v from the dev kits

[DigitallyAfflicted]

I’ve got the filing it will be a tower but cylindrical shape... With some twists, spins and twirls

[DarXyde]

I'm feeling really sure it will have some variant of the V shape.

Not only did they patent it, but it's just a suspicious amount of work into a development kit's design to just be axed in the final design.

But perhaps the biggest indicator, to me at least, is that the development kit is 13TF with that unusual design. Fair to say in my opinion that the dev kit was up-spec'd to stress test performance with that design.

I gotta say, I love the DualSense design. I think the controller is going to inform some interesting design choices for the console. Expect it to look very unconventional. Sony is beginning to really show that they're not just playing it safe, and the reactions from the development community seem to display genuine fascination and excitement.

I don't think you do that by sticking to convention.

[mandingo]

It's called design. A major reason it's more powerful than the ps5.

[russo121]

More and more PS5 seems to be a great balanced piece of engineering that they spread next-gen power to graphics, sound, physics, I/O, controls, i.e., they believe that a true experience cannot be fulfilled only with graphics or sound. Even the new synaptic controller is present to make a new level of experiences and IMO this level of technical harmonization / balancing, brings cost down to the profit of consumers. Very well Sony!

[IRetrouk]

The more I have read into and went over what cerny said, the more I'm understanding what hes done, it's a different take on console design, very excited to see what devs can do with it.

[Profchaos]

It's a approach I don't remember seeing since the SNES and Sega or ps1 / 64 era just completely different strategies in two capable consoles.
If you were around in those eras then you might remember the same game having strengths and weaknesses in both consoles honestly it was actually fun to compare them because there was never a better version.

But Sony's holistic approach sounds more fun to play in all honesty the new controller sounds awesome it's VR capabilities could be huge and the X sounds more like my gaming PC a powerhouse that runs everything buttery smooth but the feeling of the game doesn't always benefit from that some games feel better at a locked frame rate GTA v for example

[neutralgamer1992]

I think Sony will do one big event and how the hardware and software

Reveal event ps5 my guess

June 1st or 2nd week

Spiderman 2
MGS remake
Reboot for siren or PT
Horizon 2
Next COD
Demon souls remake
One FPS reboot(either KZ or resistance)

November 2020
$399

[IRetrouk]

Not a bad shout to be fair, I too hope it's all released in one go, not sure but this gamefest thing seems to point at multiple videos and stuff, who knows though lol, just looking forward to seeing the finished product and getting a look at the insides.

[neutralgamer1992]

I think they will do one big one now and one closer to launch. In between we may see more announcements

I think they will do this one big one at first to gain a lot of momentum. They realized how big that first E3 was and how big that E3 of dreams was

Imagine if they come in and have exclusive rights to MGS, silent Hill etc everyone and their grandma's expect bluepoint yo be working on demon souls what if in actuality they were working on MGS1 remake (even snakes voice actor said he would love to be part of it) just throwing out things not even a guess more of a what I would like to see

[CaptainHenry916]

Maybe a teaser trailer of God of War sequel or Sony Bends new title

[IRetrouk]

Yeah I get what you are saying neutral, I'm just trying to keep from getting over-excited, I'm going in expecting a console reveal with a tear-down to follow and some games, not sure what they could be working on, been way too many rumors, isnt blueprint working on multiple games? That's another thing to consider lol we will def see some first party stuff, no doubt about it.

I think we will get a few teases of future products in between all the launch games announced captain, looking forward to a bunch of yet to be confirmed stuff lol

[throne]

I'm hoping we get something this month since the playstation magazine issue is set for June 2nd and indicates next gen games also hope we get some studio acquisitions updates as well

[1nsomniac]

At this stage it’s the tempest engine keeping me from going over to the Series X. I couldn't really care less about the difference in speed between the SSD’s.

[Kavorklestein]

Serious? Interesting. I feel like good sound has already been at way more than satisfactory levels for two gens now. I don't see "3d sound" as doing much for more for me personally than it already does in games when I already have a headset 7.1 surround and atmos. I am curious to see if this even pans out to be more than a simple cpu boost because of the hardware tbh. Although the hardware part is kinda cool, I just don't feel excited about this feature in any way tbh. Just my opinion.

[IRetrouk]

We have no idea what that dedicated hardware is though shaggy, is it as good as what sony has done? Nobody knows because it's one thing micro didnt go into detail on, we dont know what or how they have done it, what the engine consists of or anything.

[1nsomniac]

The depth of design into Tempest seems far more advanced than Xbox offering. The fact that the idea is to custom the sound to your own custom ear response. That’s what interests me. There’s a lot more can be done to audio in the industry it’s currently pretty poor. Surround sound and 3D audio are 2 very different things. Although technically speaking 3D audio is just a fancy term for surround sound. It just has more of an emphasis on direct positional audio. Which is massively lacking in general.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

It's Penis Shaped.

[Born2Game83]

Sounds great but overwhelming majority of gamers don't have expensive audio equipment or expensive headgear to take advantage of this. So most developers outside of first party probably wont use it.

[Firevapour]

I'm not sure where you get this idea from that you would need expensive audio equipment to make use of the PS5s audio capabilities mate? All you need is a basic 5.1 amp/reciever or surround sound home theater setup. And to tell you the truth, I don't know hardly anyone these days that doesnt have some sort of basic surround system hooked up (especially tech savy console owners/gamers). Heck, thinking back, I haven't been without a surround system since at least 1995 when I got my first Dolby Pro-Logic system. I'm pretty sure there would be a lot of other gamers like myself.

[Kavorklestein]

Doesn't sound overwhelming, just overrated.

[IRetrouk]

Works with everyday headphones, you dont need anything extra to take advantage of sonys new sound engine other than headphones, its 3d audio for everyone with atleast a cheap headset.

[rainslacker]

The idea behind the sound engine is that it improves sound for those without expensive sound systems. It does this through in engine processes so the dev doesn't even have to do much.

How effective it is remains to be seen. I've never been overly impressed with anything that simulates sound in the past, especially for surround sound.

[Thundercat77]

"the fact that the PS5 will handle it on the hardware end of things means that not only will it be much easier to implement, it will also be a huge boost to the console’s CPU."

Tempest is going to be a huge PS5 custom feature that will help developers ease their work and make amazing sound experiences.

Can't wait to hear more!!!

[Born2Game83]

It sounds pretty nice. But doubt many developers will use it. Overwhelming majority of gamers don't have expensive audio equipment or expensive headgear to take advantage of this. People just use their TV audio to play games.

[nitus10]

You can get 2.1 and even 5.1 sound systems for very much less than USD$300 that are quite impressive and surprisingly easy to setup. Even "soundbars" (2.1 and 5.1 or better) are relatively cheap and are very compact. Of course, you could also go for 7.1 headphones for less than USD$100 or (shock horror) earbuds which you can plug directly into your dual shock controller.

Note1: The PS4 by default comes with a mono earbud which supports voice chat and recognition.

Note2: You can plug good voice chat headphones into your PS4 controller and they work really well although you will drain the battery faster (approx 5 to 7 hours depending on what you are playing).

Most TV sound systems are 2.0 stereo and unless you are willing to pay for an expensive TV they are very much sub-par, still, they do output sound, just don't expect any kind of immersion.

[Sprucegoose77]

Um no they don't. Most TV's speakers and audio suck. You can get a decent little sound system without breaking the bank!

[sa73917]

Pretty big statement to make "people just use their tv audio to play games". Care to provide some sort of research for this statement? Personally I don't know anyone that uses the standard audio on their TV whether they're playing games, watching movies or just TV. Sound bars and basic receiver setups are so cheap these days you'd be mad to stick with the basic shit in most TVs

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I'm going to chime in and say most people these days have at least a sound bar (almost anything is better than most TV's speakers), I'm planning to upgrade my own AV receiver this year and add additional speakers next year probably.

[cd1]

I seem to remember Cerny mentioning it wont need specific audio HW to work.

[Born2Game83]

@Sprucegoose77 yes they do. Most people can barely afford to buy a $400 console. You think they will spend extra hundred of dollars on a sound setup. Its common sense that people use just what they have. So their TV.

[Born2Game83]

@sa73917 yeah its called common sense. Most people who can barely buy a $400 console will go out and spend hundred of dollars of dedicated sound system. COMMON FREAKING SENSE.

[rainslacker]

I have a LG TV which has pretty decent built in speakers. They dobt provide very good bass, but the audio is clear enough, and the TV is big enough to provide at least stereo sound.

I still run it through a rather nice surround sound set up because I like my home theater sound, but if I for some reason do listen to the tv speakers it doesbt turn me off that much.

Otherwise, there are a lot of really decent surround sound options out there for less than $300. Even a $100 sound bar is probably going to provide better sound than a tv. Then there are a lot of nice headphones out there that provide really good 3d sound for less than $100.

[The_Sage]

You are way off, Born. Every gamer I know has a full surround sound set up. As a matter of fact, I only know one person that doesn't have a surround set up. My mother in law. She mostly watches soap operas and would know good sound if it bit her on the ass.

Also... I don't think that most people can barely afford a $400 console. I can put you in touch with my financial advisor. Maybe you just need better money management.

[Born2Game83]

@The_Sage yeah sure. Every gamer you know? wow that's like every other gamer on this planet /s. Again its common sense. Most people don't buy expensive sound setups unless its for a proper home theater. Its pointless arguing with stupid people. They always try to bring u down to their lvl.

[Destiny1080]

The Tempest Engine is effectively the hardware chip inside the PS5 which makes all of this fancy 3D audio technology possible, As Mark Cerny said, tempest engine inside PS5 can be used for other tasks than 3D audio even though audio is its primary goal. Tempest engine alone has similar performance as entire PS4 CPU

Effectively They can use the audio chip to do other things

[SmielmaN]

Damnnnnnnnnn!

[rainslacker]

They can, but it doesnt have the same IO throughput, so its use for general purpose tasks would be limited. There are things that could be done, but GPU compute is probably a better option in most cases.

[StormSnooper]

They actually included a separate cpu for sound, thus taking the burden off of the main cpu. Gotta give it to Sony, they are giving the devs no excuse not to use the tech. They must feel it’s something special if they went through all the trouble.

[IRetrouk]

It's a stripped down AMD gpu, it can actually lend any additional unused power to the gpu/cpu, while also taking away tasks from the cpu like you say, smart design, our games are going to sound crazy next gen, cant wait.

[Kribwalker]

both Sony and MS are using dedicated audio hardware, both won’t need the CPU to process audio.

More resources for devs is always a good thing

[PyroMessiah86]

The downvotes for staying facts here xD XSX does indeed have a dedicated audio chip :)

[Chris12]

Pure fact downvoted by the usuals. Both consoles have great hardware for next gen, although nothing will stop MS having the most powerful one.

[mandingo]

Yea surprised they haven't renamed the website to playstationfansonly.com

[PyroMessiah86]

@mandingo yep it's certainly going that way. Mods don't do a thing in Xboxs favour

[ElementX]

I thought it was already known that the consoles have audio processors.

PS5’s Tempest Engine audio chip is a revolutionary addition to bring 3D audio to everyone
https://www.vg247.com/2020/...

Xbox Series X features a dedicated audio chip, confirms Microsoft
https://www.windowscentral....

People will disagree because I'm the one saying it, but I have posted facts. PS5 Tempest chip was mentioned in March. This isn't new!

[MecheSlays]

They don’t wanna hear the FACTS.

[russo121]

@ElementX
"I thought it was already known that the consoles have audio processors."

Don't forget, "pixels" too 8)

[crazyCoconuts]

Agreed this is old news and just more GamingBolt developer says crap. In terms of XSX chip, I would like to see MS release more details about it other than a few mentions that it exists. Not that this is a huge deal or anything, but MS PR is usually VERY quick to point out when they think they have the upper hand, so lack of detail about what the chip does might be indicative of it being a lot less capable. I don't think this will make PS5 render at higher resolutions our anything, but who knows, maybe all that object based sound stuff will really pan out. There sound on the PSVR was amazing.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Ninja Theory spoke about it here https://www-tweaktown-com.c...

Another article. https://www-windowscentral-...

Its out there we just have to wait and see how both consoles will deliver.

[DJStotty]

What they fail to mention, and what they need to be clear about, is you may need a seperate audio system (if you do not have one) to utilise the technology.

[rainslacker]

It is known, but this is a dev talking about it in an interview, which makes its practical implementation the talking point.

It's still gamingbolt though, so take that for what its worth.

[Sitdown]

Is it bad that at this time I'm like..Blah blah blah blah. Just give me the date I can get in line to preorder. While its good to hear about all the technology, in the end I could sort of careless. I know that the end user experienced will be great, so I'm just ready to experience. Give me the experience, and I'll uncover the magic later. I've been gaming way past Atari, so humble beginnings mean I don't need much, and I'll love the hardware via the games I play.

[CBaoth]

remember the paddle for Pong? Atari had a joystick but also a paddle too (for Breakout I believe it was called). Don't think kids today could play with one of those on a little 13" black & white. Even had a coat hanger for an antennae! But those were good times man. Either of these new consoles are so far beyond what we experienced & dreamed of as kids it doesn't matter what we buy now as adults. I don't expect to receive any PS5 news until tLoU2 & Ghost release though. Sony's in no hurry with those 2 monster IPs set to come out. They want those tLoU sales (21 mil on PS3/4).

[Sol4ris]

Whilst this is interesting, I'm much more interested in RT and how well will the PS5 be able to delivered on that front.

Even in graphically pedestrian games like Minecraft, RT can be transformative . Not to mention other GPU intensive graphical advancements that will come with next gen.

[ps5fanboy]

rdna 3 feature set is the ss...

[silenthillstrangler]

Expect the console to represent the dev units that leaked.

[lazyboyblue]

I wondered if this would be the case. I remember soundcard in the 90's, you'd get extra performance from having one In your rig because the cpu wasn't needed for sound processing.

[StormSnooper]

I’m just excited for the PS5. Imagine what Sony’s talented first party can do with it if they did the amazing things they pulled off on PS4!

[Profchaos]

Big sony fan I've owned every console but the idea that tempest engine will somehow better the series X seems crazy I hope they pull it off or have a serious go at it. I'll probably end up with both consoles I normally do but since my gaming PC already runs everything on Xbox and I've invested in VR the series X hasn't got any big selling points to me.

It reminds me of Microsoft saying the cloud will give the X1 a significant boost so don't worry about tech specs meanwhile the base ps4 is aged but nothing compared to the lag that my X1 500gb has when playing titles like modern warfare in warzone

[WarCouncilGaming]

Makes me wonder what Naughty Dog's founders would do with this! Knowing the magic they worked with the original Playstation to make Crash Bandicoot what it was, I imagine this kind of thing would intrigue them quite a bit.

[Games1st]

It doesn't boost CPU, it just doesn't use it. Both ps5 and Xbox have a dedicated sound chip, games can use more power.

[Donnie81]

PlayStation hype!

[DJStotty]

“It means there’s no reason not to use it. For us, it will most likely mean PS5 might sound better with the flick of a switch. Assuming you have the audio system to handle that."

So in order to take advantage of the PS5 sound, you need a seperate audio system? Or will this enhance sound on ordinary TV speakers?

[The_Sage]

The better the sound system the better the sound. I've not used tv speakers since I was a kid.

[DJStotty]

Just because you have "not used tv speakers since I was a kid." Does not mean there are millions of Adults and kids, that still use TV speakers, and to assume that on the part of Sony would be a mistake.

My surround system is in the bedroom as my living room TV does not have the connections to use it.

The only options i have is to buy a new sound system compatible with my TV.

(My surround is rather old)

My point was, even with some soundbars/surrounds, it will not support the Audio, do not assume that the technology will work with all surround systems out there. My case in point :-

"These features are also supported on external speakers to some degree, though how much will depend in part on what kind of sound system you use."

Source : https://www.extremetech.com...

[The_Sage]

Of course you will need more than tv speakers to take advantage of the new audio technology. I'm not sure what you mean when you say that your living room doesn't have the connections. I don't run anything to my tv other then one HDMI. Everything goes to my receiver.

Before I had a tv with HDMI I ran component video lines to the tv. You can get a decent set up pretty cheap now. Tv speakers suck, even in the high end tv's. If nothing else, sound bars have come a long way.

[DJStotty]

My surround sound is about 15 years old (maybe more)

My current TV only has HDMI and no component connections

[The_Sage]

If your receiver has HDMI you can run all your sources to the receiver then run one HDMI to your TV. That's how I have mine set up. My receiver is pretty old too. I have to run HDMI for video and optical for audio.

[DJStotty]

I do not have a "receiver", i am in the UK.

I just wire things directly to the TV.

[gold_drake]

thats all good and great but i just wanna see the console. just once. please? lol

[Mulando]

PS3 & PS4 had also hardware acceleration for audio. Why should it now make a huge difference?

[DJStotty]

Because they need something to talk about, Sony fans can not talk about price, design of the console, so all we will have is articles about the SSD, the audio, and the controller.

Microsoft fans can talk about everything, other than the price.

[Good-Smurf]

And for this reason alone PS5 is my console of choice,I was disappointed by almost non-existent improvement on audio this gen and I want that focus on great audio back.
And as audiophile I noticed many enhanced port "Remastered" games have worse or much worse audio than the original on PS3 mostly in the form of compressed lossy sounding audio samples.
LA Noire Remastered for example have noticeably worse audio than PS3 original due to Remaster not having and taking the advantage of CELL's SPU for audio rendering,the crisp clear siren sound in the original were replaced with compressed shimmering sample of the original siren sound and dialog and SFX also have similar compressed qualities but the worst example was the car door clunk it was painfully compressed it almost sounded like low bitrate MP3.

[DJStotty]

Lets hope it works with your audio setup and you are not expecting this to be a feature on current tv audio speakers.

[sensor21]

PS has games but if Steam & Epic are along for ride I'm going with the 30% more powerful stystem.

[cd1]

30%??? Isn't the different in GPU performance (on paper) ~18%?

[purple101]

Apparently sony are even releasing TV s with specific ps5 mode... Not game mode... Ps5 mode!

There's something more we don't know!

[edu_advisors]

Controller look great.

[giftmax]

i think need better this more charge battery , more qulity and more wirless support and use toch and relexiable joystick but need wait for see ...