Battlefield V: What Went Wrong?

MP1st talks to Battlefield YouTubers to discuss what went wrong with Battlefield V, whether it can be saved, and what the future might hold.

[King_Noctis]

EA happened.

[TheProfessional]

No, not EA for once. This is all on DICE

[Nitrowolf2]

a bit of both? I remember reading that EA had a role in some of the design choices in V

[King_Noctis]

I think without EA breathing on Dice’s neck by enforcing their “live service” rule and release deadline, Dice would have made BFV a much better game.

[kreate]

Also Patrick Soderland and his daughter's comment.

[Rachel_Alucard]

EA live service wasn't the problem. It was incompetent management and terrible planning and leadership. Nobody from the dev team who leaked any of the problems mentioned the live service as being the problem. No other games have problems with a Live service system.

[Sono421]

If I remember correctly they said "Don't like it? Don't buy it." and then proceeded to call everyone criticizing the game sexist... all of this before launch, so you could say they set themselves up for failure.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

I took their advice.

[REDGUM]

Or was it the gamers who took that comment too seriously in the 1st place that ended making the game fail by calling them out on it?
There are 2 sides to that comment and i believe that a good game got trashed because of it.
That whole situation was blown up and exaggerated way more than it needed to be and think that the gamers are partly to blame for it failing too.

The comment "don't like it don't buy it" is fair and true.
Gamers blew it out of the water all because of a female character and we should be called out on it.

I build furniture, the comment applies there too " don't like it don't buy it".... In fact, its the same for every single item that is for sale on the planet!!

A game is just that, a game.
Not a game designed specifically for each individuals needs.

[Rachel_Alucard]

@redgum

Nobody bought it because it looked like crap. Fans of Battlefield will ignore comments like that if the game is good. It came out missing many things from the previous entry and was heavily gimped from the trailers and they spent months just trying to add in basic features. I still can't believe they had to add in a campaign mission in a patch, and we still never got a D-day style map despite this being WW2. They wasted too much time on nonsense that scared people away and made terrible decisions along the way. Like capping your rank to 50 and having 0 reason to continue playing, then spending 9 months before they uncapped it. Also, how they had vehicle cosmetics only enabled about 2 months ago, which had coming soon on it in the game since day 1. Do not blame people for taking their advice, the decision was made when the game looked like trash, and it's clear that team is incompetent and lacks any strong leadership or direction. Just wait for the next Battlefield in 2022.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

Got woke

[Leeroyw]

Went broke.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

Dice even told people not to buy the game, lol.

[gums007]

women

[AnubisG]

No, not woman. SJW's more like.

[DEEHULK88]

Well LOU2 has two wom......never mind because you way of thinking has been ingrained in you since birth. Unfortunately for you the stuff you hate isn't going anywhere.

[Sono421]

Wow didn't realize that people like this were still around. ^

Either he is intentionally misrepresenting other's arguments in an attempt to troll, or he is intentionally remaining ignorant, either way, pretty sad man. DEEHULK88... you'll get there some day, try reading instead of assuming one's opinions sometime why don't ya? Unless you're trolling, in that case... idk.. do you have nothing better to do?

[execution17]

I mean it was a fun game but them taking so long just to release maps made it boring after a while

[Hungryalpaca]

The initial trailer showed their focus was on cosmetics and not the actual game itself. They also ignored what the fan base wants and tried to draw in a new crowd which alienated those who were around for a while.

[TheColbertinator]

The launch went fine but as time went on, I realized how awful the maps were. Uninspired designs in MP maps push me out of any multiplayer game.

[REALAS]

All the recent dice games look and play alike. They tried to make a uniform look starting with battlefront. For me, the last decent battlefield was 4. Even hardline was better than the recent crap.

[Xaevi]

Im just gonna ask this here. What do fans think of a 3rd person approach for a BF game? Not a spin-off but a full fledge BF experience. I've had the thought for a while and I think there's so much more gameplay wise they would be able to achieve

[AnubisG]

Oh, no thank you. I played every BF since 1942 on PC and I think it should stay FPS as that is a huge part of what makes BF, well BF. I hate nothing more than 3rd person in an online shooter.

[Xaevi]

Well how about if they took some of the mechanics from Mirrors Edge?, nothing too fancy. More realistic first person perspective, smoother wall climb/vault/roll animations, a short slide mechanic, building up momentum to run

[AnubisG]

@Xaevi,

So you mean like parkour? Not sure about that but some elements like running and sliding could be added I guess. Wall runing....well I don't know. I would have to try that to see how it feels.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

Its nonsense ideas like this that ruin game series. This is why Socom isn't around anymore, because they changed the formula, turning long time fans away from the series. If you don't like first person shooters, then play something else.

[Xaevi]

I like Battlefield, I don't mind first person either. I just think that animation wise first person has always been very restrictive, and 3rd perspective can do much more. And no I don't want wall running in BF, Im specifically talking about the smooth transition between animations in Mirrors Edge

[L7CHAPEL]

I prefer the perspective of third person, it's less jarring and gives a better field of vision
but that being said,
it changes the entire way a game is played...
they would have to approach a lot of things as far as design in a different way.

[Xaevi]

I think at this point approaching things in a different ways is exactly what this series needs. They need to take some time away from developing and instead look at BF was, and what it could be again. Fans will protest, but if a change to 3rd person effects the series in a good way then why not? And if they can figure out how to bring back to its Glory in first person then that's great too. I just wanna see DICE shine, cause they're really talented but it feels like they're held back

[InUrFoxHole]

The last 2 battlefields sucked imo

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

I personally don't understand why Battlefield 1 reviewed so well.

[Razmiran]

Because it came out against Infinite Warfare so people were all DICE LISTENS TO THE FANS
But the game still played like crap

[AnubisG]

BF1 was good.

[excaliburps]

Battlefield 1 wasn't that bad. Definitely not as bad as BF5. No idea why DICE kept pushing their own thing when people loved BF3 and BF4 so much.

[Powerhug]

Because it's their game? If people want to play BF3 and 4, they can play it, they haven't gone anywhere, there are still tons of servers. I want DICE to make the game they envision but listen to the players when it comes to balancing. At the time of BF3 and 4 the market was oversaturated with modern military shooters and people were burning out on them, that's why they made BF1 which is the first game that made me feel I was in an actual war. BF5 just didn't had the funding to make good content, and that is the fault of the so called fans.

[excaliburps]

@Shaggy

Exactly! It's like, all the good stuff learned from BF3/BF4 were thrown out the window. The map design in BF3 especially was fantastic.

Gun customization was super deep compared to what we have now.

[warriorcase]

BF was immersive (not realistic) for the time periods they were set in. They decided to abandon this to support 'Woke' culture. When thebplayer base said they dont want it and a more authentic feel to these real world battles they were mocked by the developers. Follow that up with a terrible single player campaign and then the added lack of any notibale battles people wanted such as peration market garden, normandy etc and you got yourself a struggling product in a competitive market.

[warriorcase]

Edit: I was typing on phone while taking a walk. Spelling and format are terrible. My bad.

[L7CHAPEL]

agreed.
and (@powerhug) the concept that it's "their game"?!,
well who are they making "their game" for ?
the consumers ultimately pay for a game by adopting it and playing it,
so if you're going to say screw you, if you don't like it don't buy it... 🙄
well,
who's to blame for that?
they made a presentation their agenda, and not immersion/gameplay.

[spektical]

I struggle to understand why People on here think the “woke” aspects ruined the game. That was not close to being an issue. It was the lazy map design, lack of popular game modes and inspired game play. Some of the ideas were great but a lot of things were just naked

[Teflon02]

Babies of the internet. These exact ppl are what went wrong with the game. They cry went woke. But these are the know it all cry babies that couldn't even understand the first trailer was just to show new things being added and not the focus. All the people who jumped the gun are the issues. The games fine. The only thing that's negative about it is that it's still not as good as Bad Company 2 was or BF4 which I'd rather play. But it's alot better than 1

The game launching with no modes didn't help either lol

[L7CHAPEL]

The game launching without A LOT of previous, popular features, didn't help,
Period.

[Razmiran]

I wholeheartedly agree
Also, the fact that they could not do basic stuff like add modes without removing modes or do exp events
The wokeness was just corporate stuff
Also the singleplayer campaigns they put on the forefront just to point out that Black Ops 4 had no campaign were boring AF

[Powerhug]

Yes, it was infuriating to read all those idiotic comments about historical accuracy... Except for 1942 and Vietnam DLC for BC2, none of the BF games have been historically accurate. They just take a period in time and create their own spin on it. Even though it was a bit weird to see the prosthetics in the reveal trailer, it doesn't bother me one bit and would not detract from my enjoyment of the game. As for the thirsty basement dwellers who fap to their mothers and didn't want women in the game, well, they can always not play as women. It's all about choice. And if they think by not playing or buying BF5 they'll achieve anything...well, EA will continue to make BF the way they want to, because more people buy and play it, than people who don't.

[Powerhug]

Yes, of course, it sounded ridiculous phrased so broadly. I meant out of the BF fan pool, not all gamers on the planet :)

[L7CHAPEL]

I think in some aspects you're right, but the "woke" thing became a big issue because the gameplay obviously wasn't the focus.

[AK91]

EA

[franwex]

Basically it’s not a game that gamers wanted. Modern Warfare sold really well.

Really EA? A ww2 shooter? Really? Kinda fantasy setting?

Just make it contemporary with destructible environments.

Bad Company 3. There.

[Profchaos]

Let's Start with the bionic soilders dressed in rainbow camouflage and we don't need to go any further

[XxINFERNUSxX]

DICE has enough money now to develop and publish their own games. What I would like is BF 1942 with the 2 expansions and the Desert Combat mod remastered in the new engine.

[Razmiran]

They dont own battlefield tho and also EA owns them

[DonDon3000]

Game had females in it so the boys refused to buy it. Sad as the game was good and would have been great had it had the support it needed from decent sales.

[kryteris]

it was a dlc, not a full pledge game release.

[Shalawsorchi]

They should really consider Gameplay>Graphics
That’s what made COD so popular, I mean numbers don’t lie so.

[danny818]

It’s fun for me. I play this and Halo 5 all the time lol

[Tross]

Didn't they just release a thinly-veiled piece of political propaganda and call it a game? I never played it, but I've heard volumes about it.

[Sieg]

DICE's managements are the cause of BF5 downfall. They didn't listen to the community. They wanted to have their own spin on WW2 vs the community wanted a BF1942 on frostbite. Lesson learned DICE. Don't disappoint the fanbase with the next one.

[aaronaton]

Personally, it needed more realism for me. Weaponary wise, you shouldn't of had access to weapons and attachments other than what was available for a soldier in WW2. Putting a 'red dot' (even though it hadn't been properly developed for decades to come) on a MP40 should never of happened. I don't want to beat the drum of historical accuracy too much, but if putting Red dots in a game was such a good idea, why did they never do it in BF1942 and COD3?
The only reason was simply to make the game more accessible, to generate more revenue. They literally through out historical accuracy in the pursuit of money. Shameful to say the least.

[Powerhug]

No paid DLC, that went wrong.

[TargusX]

No Instant Action mode with offline bots. So when the servers go - the game dies, just like BF4 etc. Thought they would of learned from this by now, like they've eventually done with SWBF2.

[vTuro24]

Dice went woke and told people to not buy the game, so people didn't buy the game and they went broke. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[NobleRed]

SJW garbage.
The authenticity went down the toilet.

Or just look at the picture above the article you got the answer.

[2ndhandcorn]

I enjoyed Battlefield heroes more than the last two games bring that back .

[Jamaicangmr]

Kids screaming on the internet that X and Y aspects are too hard also helped ruin the game post launch.
The EA factor is huge as they wanted COD rather than appreciate the game they had and it's community.
Dice need to learn that they can't please everyone so manage your project rather than listen to the loud few and ruin the game for the many.

All the changing and going back and removal of modes killed it for me, i went back and somethings are back to how it was post launch but a lot of crap still remains so i just deleted it and put the disk at the bottom of my pile.

[Pyredineer]

They should go back to battlefield 1 because it was better and had more positive feedback. And besides it was more realistic.

[JokerBoy422]

DICE specifically told us not to buy it lol. What did they expect?

[Vokun13]

Marketing and community to me. There was no energy around it when it was announced, and no energy when it came out. When the BR mode came out, there was at least some attention to the game, but even after that, that hyped slipped.

Sucks too because I personally enjoyed this Battlefield, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't excited that they're moving on.

[Psychotica]

I remember one of the developers saying if you don't like it don't buy it in regards to the female characters..

[Runechaz]

What went wrong....: BUG... lack of popular historical battle..All the Nerf/Buff that unbalance the game. No anti cheat system.

[Xenial]

What went wrong? Going with a past setting that felt so similar to Battlefield 1. Not taking on a modern setting or doing something different, other than a past WW shooter.