RE3: Massive Performance Upgrade for Xbox One X after Patch

The game now holds higher framerates than its PS4 Pro countrerpart during gameplay, while still drops frames in cutscenes.

"A story with a happy ending? You bet! When we first took a look at Resident Evil 3 Remake's playable, we were impressed by another storming technological showcase for Capcom's excellent RE Engine - but there was a show-stopping problem: the Xbox One X rendition of the game significantly under-performed against PlayStation 4 Pro. Indeed, in certain scenes, frame-rate could even drop beneath Xbox One S's output. The good news is that the game has been patched, delivering a huge increase to performance."

[Kribwalker]

Wow. So more available power does make it run better when optimized. Who’d have thunk it. Great job DF, i think i’ll get this for my OneX when it goes on sale in a month or two

[Tech5]

(trying to give the best answer for this case scenario...)

it was initially optimized for 4k, with a variable frame rate.
some gamers preferred it to run at a constant 60fps. (their preference)
so it's not that the game is not optimized, a number of gamers wanted it at 60fps.

- secondary thoughts.
in this case situation it would probably just be better to support options.
so that if gamers want it in 4k with a variable frame rate they can do so.
and the gamers that want it in 60fps can also do so.

[timotim]

Running at 4k is NOT the same thing as being optimized for 4k. You need to understand what the word optimize means.

Also, 1X being more powerful is what helped the game hit a solid 60FPS while also running at a higher resolution than PS4 Pro with higher frames.

[RangerWalk267]

I hope this song and dance doesn't continue all next gen on account of the series X being 40% more powerful. Just play it on the console you enjoy and have fun. Or... Do as I do and purchase both consoles. Play the exclusives on the respective hardware to the game. And multi-platform games on the more powerful hardware. Easy.

[dantesparda]

"Massive Performance Upgrade for Xbox One X after"

Dropping the resolution to the PS4 Pro res.

[Aquanox]

This reflects the impact of being the main developing platform. In this case (as usual with Capcom) it was the PS4, and it makes all sense.

By next gen though, I do expect some developers to switch to the Series X given its higher specs, predictable performance and mainly, the easy translation to PC thanks for DX12 ultimate.

[RazzerRedux]

No, it is the impact of one version needing a patch to fix some issues. This isn't the first time this has happened and it doesn't matter if we are talking about the "main developing platform" or not. Hell, this happens on first party games as well. You are coming to some exaggerated conclusions from something very simple and common.

" By next gen though, I do expect some developers to switch to the Series X given its higher specs, predictable performance and mainly, the easy translation to PC thanks for DX12 ultimate."

Ultimate will definitely have a positive impact on PC especially considering it will be bring over some cool stuff such as DirectStorage. But all the console tech is being used are mirror images of themselves with variances in specs. PS4/Xbox One, PS4 Pro/Xbox One X, and PS5/XSX....these are all AMD-based tech. I think you are making way too much out of which is the "main developing platform". That was a common topic of conversation during the PS3/360 years, but it is an afterthought these days. No one even asks devs that anymore. Back then you were talking about an extremely hard system to develop for with PS3 and the much easier alternative in 360 and significant differences in comparing the games. This gen the differences have been minor in comparison and are reflective of the power of the console rather than one console being enormously more difficult than the other. Primarily because the tech is ultimately the same. That isn't going to change next gen.

[Aquanox]

@RazzerRedux About DX Ultimate, NO... it's not just "cool stuff" as you conveniently summarize it. I'm not saying it would be a direct mirror of what happened in the 360/PS3 generation. What I'm saying is that, DX Ultimate will also bring nVidia and its features to the equation... DX Raytracing (keep in mind the Series X also should have much more RT Cores than the PS5), Variable Rate Shading, Mesh Shaders and Sampler Feedback. Those are even in the Series X publicity, including the 12TFlop number, and for good reasons. This is not minor or just "cool stuff". Therefore, if the numbers make sense (sales) it will be a no brainer for devs.

This a discussion not being touched this generation asthe lead platform is always the PS4 and both systems are very similar, just that one is considerably more powerful than the other.

Next gen, tables will turn around in terms of power. No mid-gen consoles in the market yet and while similar configurations, they will use different APIs, one of them making their lives easier for 2 platforms. So indeed... if Series X becomes the lead dev platform, we will not only see better running games, but also better looking on Series X. Taking advantage of its power and "seamless" porting to PC. Things like RE3 Remake aren't likely to happen (unless it's CAPCOM again) and would probably happen more often on the PS5 side. Being then main system does matter in the final product when its the one with superior hardware (just like it mattered with the Ps4). It's not the same to make something thinking about the superior hardware and then cut things down, than just throwing in the same base game and see how framerates go higher on more powerful hardware, like in this case.

PS. Of course this also happens with 1st party games but that's a whole different situation. They had the game already running smooth on one platform in this case.

[CBaoth]

there is no way a $500 product from a company in last place is going to be market leader. Spare me the fabled DX11/12 PC connection. Console sales will be the determining factor not wishful thinking. I've heard this rationale for nearly 20 years and yet it took a misstep from Sony to make devs briefly use the 360 platform as lead. Not some magic sauce between MS console and PCs like you're suggesting and hoping for. How long did that last by the way? Not even the entire gen. How much cheaper was a 360 over a PS3 during that time span too? See every question I ask is also pertinent to next gen - and aside from power, nothing else is a tick in the checklist on MS' side over Sony.

[RazzerRedux]

First....unwad your panties regarding "cool stuff". In no way is calling DirectX 12 Ultimate "cool stuff" diminishing it simply because I don't list all its features. Seems you are one of these types who want to pretend they work in the marketing department for Microsoft.

"Next gen, tables will turn around in terms of power."

lol...where have you been? The "tables turned" in 2016 with the release of One X. So what? Direct 12 has been there all along? So what? Ultimate is going to be a silver bullet? Yeah....that's what was said when DX12 was released. Again....so what?

" if Series X becomes the lead dev platform"

It won't make any difference at all. They are targeting similar architecture with different APIs. That has been the case all gen. You are pretending one will receive favor over the other based on nothing at all. There is no "lead dev platform".

"Things like RE3 Remake aren't likely to happen "

That's just a silly thing to say. It will happen.

"would probably happen more often on the PS5 side"

It will happen to both. Suddenly games getting patched, after launch regardless of platform, is a new thing to you? Again....where the hell have you been?

You are trying far too hard to make irrelevant things relevant.

[Aquanox]

@RazzerRedux You need to raise the bar of your replies. Try to start off by leaving insults and personal stuff aside. Also... Just... cool down. Why are you so angry?

Anyway... this one's easy to reply.

• Tables turned? Yes, in mid gen consoles. Base consoles is much different and what matters the most and this is what changed.
• Please read a bit about DX12 vs. DX12 ultimate.
• You clearly didn't understand my first statement. Don't let your anger blind you. I'm saying that, next gen, it's much less likely that a multiplatform game will perform worse worse on Series X than on PS5.
• DX12 Ultimate WILL be relevant, but it's not the "Silver Bullet" from Microsoft. They're addressing next gen from all fronts: Hardware performance lead, deep improvement in 1st party development (we're about to see more of if in the next 2 months... hope to see you then), Gamepass... which will become even more relevant with Series X and seamless backward compatibility with the X One ecosystem, Xbox All Access (great for people with low budget or people like me, who wants to jump in the next gen with a high end TV as well... good to have the option fo "finance" the Series X), awesome 3rd party deals... starting with "Free Next Gen Remasters", and of course, services. PSN has been a nightmare these days, whereas Xbox has kept much stronger during the generation and in the past few weeks.

Am I saying that MS will WIN this generation? Absolutely NOT. Playstation 4 still have the best first party games and for this I'm buying a PS5 as well (when those games come out) No way I'm missing GOW3 or TLOU2 (if it keeps getting delayed, I might as well buy it for PS5) and others. But the Xbox will give much better fight this time around, and this is good for customers. Current gen has been MEDIOCRE at best (my opinion)... the new one looks to be much better thanks to competition, and that' were all gamers win... except those with a fanatic point of view of it.

I'll never understand why people get so mad about consoles.

[RazzerRedux]

@Aquanox

You are the guy making a big deal about the phrase "cool stuff". If you want to talk about raising the bar then start with yourself. Don't get upset that someone doesn't reference every detail of DirectX12 Ultimate. You got wound up by that for no reason.

"Tables turned? Yes, in mid gen consoles. Base consoles is much different and what matters the most and this is what changed."

No, it isn't. The same narrative was used when One X was released. It changed nothing, but doesn't stop the same story from being told twice I guess. The ecosystems are in place and moving forward naturally from one gen to the next. This next "gen" is nothing more than a continuation of the last 4 years as far as hardware is concerned where Xbox has had the lead in power. But *this time* it is going to be different. lol....same song and dance as always.

"You clearly didn't understand my first statement. Don't let your anger blind you. I'm saying that, next gen, it's much less likely that a multiplatform game will perform worse worse on Series X than on PS5."

wow.....me telling you to "unwad your panties" really got under your skin. You can make that prediction all you want, but there is no basis for it.

"They're addressing next gen from all fronts..."

You went back into bullshit marketing mode. The rest of your post is irrelevant and you diverged far off from your XSX will be the "main dev console" nonsense and not have issues that need to be patched after launch. Just a silly thing to say really. Your points are entirely speculative, baseless, and regurgitates arguments made from a decade ago.

"I'll never understand why people get so mad about consoles.'

So why are you? You got bent out of shape that I "conveniently summarized" DirectX 12 as "cool stuff" as if that were somehow derogatory and didn't fully itemize and praise this glorious tech like a good MS loyalist such as yourself. It was clear that your panties were indeed wadded so my suggestion that you unwad them stands. Practice what you preach and "raise the bar".

[Aquanox]

Lol... Ok. this got uninteresting. Only in your mind I care about you saying "cool stuff".

Anyway, I'll keep it short this time as you're running in circles.

• If you believe this is a continuation of the past gen, cool. I'll just say time will tell. The evidence is so obvious that it wont that I will not point it out again. Looks like you really, really want it to be that way, but it wont. I already explained why. I'm sorry it gets you so much on your nerves. Oh and don't get me wrong... I enjoy this =)

* Reads the rest of your post *

This is all "argument ad hominem". Nothing that deserves a reply.

Just keep it cool, it's just games. It will be interesting how people like you realize the next generation will be radically different. Just wait and see. Then again, raise the bar on your replies, don't get mad and reply with arguments not rants =)

Peace.

[RazzerRedux]

"Lol... Ok. this got uninteresting. "

lol.....but you reply anyway. That's funny.

"Only in your mind I care about you saying "cool stuff"."

Now you are lying to yourself. You quoted me saying "cool stuff" TWICE. You got whiny because you equated "cool stuff" as "minor" and then got snarky claiming I "conveniently summarized". And then got further butthurt when I told you to unwad your panties. Sorry....but they were in fact wadded and they still are. If you can't take it then don't dish it out.

"Looks like you really, really want it to be that way, but it wont. I already explained why. "

lol...you made a prediction that I think has no basis. You trying to channel Aaron Greenberg isn't doing yourself any favors. You are trying to mask the fact that this patch has nothing to do with "main dev platform" nonsense with a grocery list of Xbox features. Phil is so proud, I'm sure.

"Then again, raise the bar on your replies, don't get mad and reply with arguments not rants =)"

Don't get snippy because someone does not lavish something with excessive praise. That's what happened. If you want to pretend you had nothing to do with this conversation going the way it did then fine. You'll make the same mistakes again and point the finger elsewhere. But now I know you are just a walking MS billboard so nothing you say is really of any value anyway. You are not the first I've come across but you are all so hilarious in your tunnel vision views of gaming.

See ya.

[giovonni]

I actually finished the game yesterday and it performed great from start to finish🤷🏾‍♂️

[Bigman4k]

Nah dont because you'll probably end up selling it a month after you buy it

[tombfan]

Mmmmmm no, there was no optimation, it was just an adjustment in the resolution so it could hit higher frames.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Kribwalker

"Great job DF, i think i’ll get this for my OneX when it goes on sale in a month or two"

Same here! That´s why DF´s work is SO important to gaming and has great respect from ALL major developers and publishers like Sony, MS and Nintendo despite some jealous fanboys often try and discredit them.

Keep up the good work, DF! :)

[Kribwalker]

it’s really weird isn’t it. like why would sony have given them an early sneak peak of cerny’s presentation if they weren’t a respectable outlet.

[Kornholic]

That's not optimization. The resolution was dropped from native 4k down to 2880x1620. Essentially the Xbox One X version was downgraded for it to run as smooth as the PS4 version.

[gravedigger]

RE3 was never native 4k on X1X. It was reconstructed. Not it's down to reconstructed 1620p, same as Pro

[Lexreborn2]

Wouldn’t the PRO have indicated that already though? The PRO version was optimized day one and ran at the 1620p 60 they reported from the beginning. Now X runs it identical and the most the “improvements” warrant is cleaner fences without jaggies at 600% magnification.

If anything this tells us brute strength alone wont achieve better results. As the X is brute strength and it’s still not giving super great results. Pro and X are still for the most part identical.

[RookieMonsterLives]

I almost pull the trigger and bought RE3 for my PS4 Pro the other day. This patch seems to make the XB1X run faster in fps in gameplay and DF said it look a bit better too. I am switching my purchase for the XB1 version. I didn't expect the patch to be out this fast.

My initial reason for wanting the disc version of RE3 remake for the XB1 is that the the 4k code is embedded in the disc already so I can install it on the next gen XSX console offline and it'll still keep the 4K resolution plus of course locked 60fps. The PS4 version is coded as 1620p on disc so even if it can be locked 60fps on the PS5, the resolution will remain at 1620p.

[Bronxs15]

I’m a bit behind. Tempted to pull the trigger on re2 but I feel it’s coming to game pass. Probably a swap out with devil may cry 5 which I already played.

Ps. Still pulling the trigger tho on sale Cus I love re games and will want to own to play it down the road again. Still nice when games come to game pass. For example I was planning to purchase neir automata with all the positive reviews. And I played it first on gamepass and glad I didn’t Cus it would have been one of those games I regretted Cus I’m not really enjoying it and I’m not going to finish it.

[RookieMonsterLives]

RE2 remake is one if the best games of this generation so if you can grab it on the cheap, go for it as you won't be disappointed

[timotim]

It was just a matter of the devs needing to adjust according to what the engine could do. Every dev has to make those decisions...Capcom just got it wrong at first, but I'm happy to see that they've corrected things and the more powerful console resulted in better image quality and frames in the end.

[JackBNimble]

It makes no difference if it's on disc or not , all it takes it a patch to bump resolution.
Don't forget, ps4 and ps5 only install what's on disc , it reads the game from storage not the disc.

[DJStotty]

@Drake

Even if the console is online on Series X, you will still get the 4k resolution.

[Computersaysno]

They halved the resolution so it's basically the same as PS4 Pro with slightly better anti aliasing, now it runs the same 60FPS.

[PyroMessiah86]

Nope. Comparisons show it has higher frames and resolution than PS4 Pro. Try again.

[Computersaysno]

Nope. The framerates are now virtually the same as to not matter, the resolution is identical as far as Digital Foundry stated. https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

I'll quote DIRECTLY from them: "delivering performance results that are very similar indeed overall to the excellent PlayStation 4 Pro version of the game."

Both are as good as 60FPS, both have some dips here and there. Neither is significant, unlike the pre patch Xbox One X version.

The mild difference in image quality between the machines is more likely down to the method of temporal anti aliasing used when the machines produce the final image. Which is confirmed again to end up as 1620p, for both machines.

The difference between them is incredibly small and minor, you wouldn't be able to tell them apart in gameplay since the PS4 Pro version is also "excellent."

Try again, if you even know what you're talking about.

[Baza]

X1X still isn’t locked 60fps. 2 extra TFs get you a few more fps.. really negligible

[ProjectVulcan]

From digital foundry who did a patch analysis all I see is the the difference between the versions is really small.

It's not even worth arguing about who has 54 frames and who has 57 frames. They said that they could not see much difference between the high res launch and the post patch downgrade because of the way the image reconstruction works.

If it is that similar with such a big res drop imagine how tiny the difference is between the versions that now come out the same res!

[snoopgg]

Hey Pyro, as it should since the onex came out a year later with more power. Still looks and runs great on my pro. No need to try, I am satisfied with the pro's performance.

[PyroMessiah86]

@Computersaysno

"virtually the same" and "basically the same" is not the same. Any way you slice it buddy.

Try again, if you even know what you're talking about. In DF video they confirm the One X version is better and show multiple times framerate is better than PS4 Pro. Don't salty just because your piece of plastic doesnt play it as well as another.....even if it is close.

[Kribwalker]

ps4 pro runs at 60fps? https://i.postimg.cc/Pf2jyC...

they both dip, but it runs better on the onex now as well as better AA

[Battlestar23]

1X version dips quite a bit too if you actually watched the video.

[angelsx]

still prefer ps4 pro version

[Computersaysno]

Correct, PS4 Pro runs at 60FPS for the vast majority of the time.

Firstly your shot taken out of context is awful, because one machine is rendering a wall (X1X) and the other (Ps4 Pro) is rendering lit and shadowed characters in combat. You never get perfectly aligned scenarios. As soon as the gun is fired in that same corridor in that video the framerate drops on X1X too.

Cherry picking a split second screenshot does not represent the breadth of performance across both machines, which digital foundry has stated and well covered now to be pretty much the same as to make no noticeable difference.

This is like picking a random screen shot of a movie and claiming that it tells the whole story. You have disregarded context completely.

Ridiculous users on this site....

[timotim]

Yes, the 1X version runs at better IQ and better frames. PS4 Pro version dips quite a bit.

[Bronxs15]

It loads a bit faster on one x too. You’d think they’d make a bigger deal of this seeing how potential faster load times on ps5 was “OMG AWESOME “

[Loktai]

Digital Foundry? Of course they wouldnt, it would seem like an attack at this point. They'll mention it but... next gen will be nothing but instances of the PS5 loading faster. I suspect it'll be the same old story.. .a few FPS here maybe even a dynamic resolution being higher more of the time on the SX, and then faster loading times, first party PS5 games looking ridiculously good and surprising people and also loading so fast you never know its happening, stuff like that. I suspect if you want a PC port thats just done quick and dirty to run sharpest its going to be on the Series X unless they get really lazy or the engine was never designed to utilize as many CUs as possible (workload more clock dependent, which happens occasionally)

[snoopgg]

Yeah the faster ssd will do more then just load faster.

[timotim]

a couple seconds difference isn't going to mean anything to the vast majority of gamers...especially when they are playing the superior version.

I have no doubt though that PlayStation fanatics will attempt to make a big deal out of it on sites like these.

[G1L]

I gotta say that console versions of games nowadays are so much better than they used to be and we are kinda spoiled in a good way. I remember when console versions had gameplay removed (shadow of mordor ps3 ver without Nemesis system; gta 1 on ps1 didn't have the train) , glaring graphical shortcomings (extreme aliasing, low detail assets). And here we are discussing resolution differences that most of us won't notice unless we are 5cm from the TV screen or playing with 800 pct zoom ala digital foundry.

[NeoGamer232]

Well consoles are just PCs with a different firmware/OS now so it is not surprising that they are good.

[Mr Logic]

What a dumb comparison. Shadow of Mordor was an 8th generation game from start to finish. Then it was given to a separate development studio to bring to the 7th gen. In order to do that, they had to cut a lot. When in reality the game never should have been on those systems at all, but it was 2014 and WB wanted as much $$ as they could milk from the established user bases.

[G1L]

@Mr Logic, not a dumb comparison as per the developer take on it:
https://www.gameinformer.co...

[Mr Logic]

@G1L
Where does that article refute anything I said?

[Battlestar23]

Looks amazing on the 1X now like it's a complete different game while PS4 Pro version looks and runs like a ps2 game.

[Software_Lover]

Huh??

[Monkeysmoke]

all these for a drop if clout.

Shame!

[Ausbo]

Congrats on dumbest comment of the day

[Battlestar23]

It's called being sarcastic I'm sorry if it went right over your head.

[OB1Biker]

I like the sarcasm but you can take it even further with the 'huge' difference a 43% GPU power advantage makes and how that s telling about the 18% more GPU power next gen.

[Limitedtimestruggle]

I was not aware of that the initial performance on the One X was that bad to begin with. Nice patch for the Xbox players though!

[Loktai]

Yes, this is a Win overall. They pushed for the full 4k resolution initially and by dropping the resolution still end up with a slightly better image than the pro, but without the performance compromise. Not bad if you consider how cheap the X is right now. Thats what the 45 percent difference in GPU performance gets you, a bit more wiggle room but not exactly endless headroom to turn up the resolution.

[Silly gameAr]

You know what I've noticed? When RE3 was having performance problems on the X1X, people were crapping all over RE3. Now that it's fixed, you see articles saying how fantastic RE3 is and saying RE3 is a better experience than RE2.

Bro, you can't make this sh** up in your favorite fantasy novel series.

[RookieMonsterLives]

I was reading the thread
https://n4g.com/news/233408...
In which there are almost 200 posts and non of them said "RE3 sucks, who cares." Most of the replies were related to how it is "un-optimised on XB1X and should be fixed with a patch". And here it is, patched and running great on the XB1X so I don't know where you get your "made up" info from.

[Loktai]

Well the difference is a ton of people were saying it was unoptimized as in it should be able to hold 4k resolution etc because of the GPU difference... And actually the resolution was dropped as a compromise, not really "optimized" per say but yes, optimized in the regard that they found the "Sweet spot" that gave them the performance of the pro with a similar but on examination even superior image quality.

[MetroidFREAK21]

Frame rate > resolution... Always

[Loktai]

Depends on what the frame rate is. If youre talking about a locked 60FPS vs a locked 70fps on a variable refresh display- or even 55 vs 60 on a variable refresh display, and you can move up into native 4k, then its actually worth it. If youre talking about Vsync to a non variable display and you cant hold it and its all over the place causing this kind of issue in a twitch action game- Yeah duh keep it stable. The game would be perfectly playable at 50FPS if it never moved, but its not like it was doing that, it was grinding into the mud at 4k native. So a bad example of not enough play testing

[MetroidFREAK21]

Uhhh

[Mr Logic]

Don't bother. This is going way over the head of your average N4G user.

[XBManiac]

Better performance after the patch by lowering the resolution... well... ok.

[Software_Lover]

That was my thought. Why not work on optimizing what you sold at retail instead of taking the easy way out?

[Loktai]

Adjusting the resolution IS the sort of optimization you can do on a game like this where the engine is already designed for these systems. The bottleneck is probably elsewhere causing this .

On PC this game does NOT hold 60FPS at max settings and good anti aliasing on many systems. The console versions optimize, use some tricks and purpose built shading and anti aliasing tricks and otherwise dial down the detail to hit a playable frame rate... not run max... They already went really far optimizing this and picking and implementing the best settings, anti aliasing etc for the platforms.... If you max out the settings on PC you need a system with like a Radeon VII or at bare minimum an 11GB 1080 TI to APPROACH a 60fps Average. In fact the card which most closely resembles the Xbox one X is the RX 580 (6 teraflop GPU released in 2017) and at max settings that card grinds around the mid 20 FPS range at 4k. So I would say - yes considering the machine its actually been optimzed.

[Loktai]

I want everyone to just keep this in mind.... And remember this about third party games going into next gen. The difference between these two machines isnt "2 TF" its 45% increase from PS4 pro to Xbox one X. the increase from PS5 to Xbox series X is about 15 percent. As in one third the difference.

This 45 percent different gives you almost the same game once all else is considered. The Xbox One X wins here after some tweaking for the platform- amazing news for xbox fans and those who own both consoles and want that slight edge, and dont care where the trophies/achievements end up (if you care AT ALL , that is)

Now imagine digital foundry comes out and says "Both systems run the game identically, they both look the same- the PS5 version seems to dip a 2-3 FPS lower in heavy scenes than the xbox series X where the X may drop into the MID 50s the PS5 into the low 50s.... loading times on the PS5 version are half as long"

How does that sound?

[Mr Logic]

It sounds like I'll keep playing multi-plats on PC and SIE exclusives on PS5.

[rainslacker]

So. Dev pushes out an unoptimized port which later needs to be patched. Somehow that means a win for X1X?

I know you guys don't mind waiting indefinitely for stuff on Xbox, but I recall we all used to not be too happy about unoptimized ports for any platform.

I'm more curious why DF came out and said anything, since they aren't prone to re-reviewing these things after patches for the purposes of comparison.

[IanTH]

What? Just search for "patch" or "update" on the Digital Foundry YouTube page, and there are tons of videos that look at how patches affect performance across every platform.

https://www.youtube.com/use...

[rainslacker]

Reporting patches, and how they change the original is normal. Making it into a thing where they compare it to the original comparison is not typical of them.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Given the GPU differences between the Series X and PS5 are about the same as the differences between the Pro and X I'm curious to see what the gap will be.

[RazzerRedux]

Why do you keep repeating that nonsense?

There is a 35.3% difference in teraflops between PS4 Pro and Xbox One X.
There is a 16.26% difference in teraflops between PS5 and XSX.

Learn:
https://www.calculatorsoup....

[343_Guilty_Spark]

If my car goes 80mph faster than your car....it's still 80 mph faster whether the difference is 120 vs 200 mph or 6000 vs 6080 mph.

Percentages won't change that fact. Maybe you'll sleep better but my car is still faster.

[chiefJohn117]

There's a 1.8tf difference between Pro and 1X
There's a 1.8+TF difference between Ps5 and XsX. How is 1 nonsense but not the other when the raw power difference is the same or greater on next gen since ps5 can't run at a the sustain speed?

[RazzerRedux]

@chiefJohn117

Scenario A: What is the difference between 1 and 2? It is 1, right?

Scenario B: What is the difference between 99 and 100? It is 1, right?

If these were power levels, then Scenario A shows twice the power as 2 is twice as much as 1. Follow?

So is 100 twice the power level as 99? Nope. Why? The difference is still 1. The significance in the value of 1 has diminished from Scenario A to Scenario B.

Same principle applies. The 1.8 TF difference is diminished as the values of the set of TF numbers increase.

I don't know any simpler way of explaining this.

None of this changes the fact that XSX has a greater TF number than PS5. The error is saying the power difference is the same relative to PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. That is factually wrong.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

@RazzerRedux

You still don't get it. We need to first understand what that 1.8+ TF difference means in absolute terms. Is it more pixels, more frames pushed, etc.

In real world that amount of compute power is roughly a whole PS4 worth of power.

If a whole PS4 worth of power is what allows the Xbox Series X to consistently do 4K/30 vs the PS4 Pro which cannot (1440p, 1620p, 1800p, temporal reconstruction etc @ 30 fps) then it will make a difference.

Now next gen in 2030 when consoles are running 4K/120 sustained maybe a PS4 worth of power won't matter that much but we aren't to far removed to say it won't matter now. It will.

[Mr Logic]

Yes and 18/20 is the same as 98/100.

Are you actually this dumb or just trying to confuse other morons?

[RazzerRedux]

Funny because if you want to use the "speed" analogy then PS5 actually has the faster GPU with its higher clock speed. Regardless, you are making a decision to be ignorant. Enjoy the bliss it brings.

[RazzerRedux]

“ So you’re going to tell me 1.8+ TF (since PS5 can’t run at a sustained clock) difference is nothing now because the overall TF count has increased? That’s dumb.“

Not nothing. I already told you exactly what the difference was. 16.26% in favor of XSX.

But are you seriously trying to suggest that this 1.8TF maintains the same meaning infinitely? You do understand the word “infinitely”, right? I’m asking because obviously basic math is beyond your comprehension. That would be a condescending insult to others but in your case it is simply a fact.

Stick to first grade level conclusions such as “12.1 > 10.28” and brag about that if you just have to have something.

“ Let me help you since you seem slow... ”

That is priceless. lol

[OB1Biker]

I'm not sure about the exact % but it's really basic common sense to understand. 4 vs 6 is a much, much more important gap than 10 vs 12. Really these guys 🤯 haha
Do you think they'd understand 1 vs 3 ? Haha

[RazzerRedux]

"You still don't get it. We need to first understand what that 1.8+ TF difference means in absolute terms. Is it more pixels, more frames pushed, etc."

I've never said anything disputing the fact that the difference in teraflops creates a power disparity between XSX and PS4 Pro. I have explicitly said multiple times what the actual difference is. Yes, it means more pixels and frames, but how much more we do not know. So what you think I "don't get".....I have no idea.

"In real world that amount of compute power is roughly a whole PS4 worth of power."

Referencing past generations is useless. This is the other part of your entire point that makes this all meaningless. A GCN teraflop does not equate to a RDNA teraflop. A RDNA teraflop doesn't equate to a RDNA 2 teraflop. You have variances in efficiencies that make these comparisons irrelevant. This is a known fact. How do you explain that the RX 5700 XT and its 9.7 TF of power outperforms the 12.6 TF Vega 64? Simple. The Vega 64 is GCN 5.0. The 5700 XT is RDNA 1.0.

https://www.techpowerup.com...
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If this doesn't illustrate the point then I'm afraid nothing will. So referencing "PS4 worth of power" is not useful in any way. Referencing the TF difference between PS4 Pro and Xbox One X in context of next gen is equally useless.

"Now next gen in 2030 when consoles are running 4K/120 sustained maybe a PS4 worth of power won't matter that much but we aren't to far removed to say it won't matter now. It will."

I never said it won't matter at all now did I? It absolutely will. But finally you understand the importance of a constant TF number difference diminishes as the overall TF increase.

[windblowsagain]

Both same rez now. X runs slightly better in places as it should tbh. But very close much of the time. Image Quality is very close again with X having slightly less shimmering.

Both perform decent. But Neither are true 4K machines.

[mkis007]

Maybe some people will realize now just how much performance you give up for a comparatively tiny resolution boost.

[Mr Logic]

Tiny?

Old: 3840*2160 = 8,294,400 pixels
New: 2880*1620 = 4,665,600 pixels

So that's a ~44% reduction in resolution. Don't get me wrong, I would personally rather play at 60fps instead of 35-50. Hell I'd bump it down to 1440p or 1080p to get 120+ fps, but to say that it's a tiny resolution boost/reduction is factually incorrect.

[rainslacker]

Question is....how much difference in actual image quality do people recognize by the resolution drop?

[mkis007]

It's tiny if you know what decreasing returns are. 1080p vs 480p or even 720p is visible to anyone at a quick glance. 4k vs 1440p not so. Many people need to see them side by side to tell.

The numbers only offer a raw data pov. What we need is an actual real life pov. Are you going to be able to tell 12k vs 8k ? As quickly as 1080 vs 720? The higher you go the harder it becomes to see those differences immediately in the real wworld. Is the power investment to go from 1600p to 4k worth it?

Put another way 100TF vs 88TF. Is one going to be so obviously better? Not at all it's a miniscule difference. But wait, thats a series x difference of power!!

[mkis007]

30fps gain is huge compared to a jump from 1620p to 4k.

The fps gain makes the resolution loss look tiny.

[chiefJohn117]

That all pends on screen size. You wouldn't notice on a phone but a 60" tv yes you would

[Hedstrom]

Well, lower resolution gives more performance!

[timotim]

Seems common sense right? Yet that didn't stop certain people from making a big deal over the frames between the 1X and Pro version before the patch when the 1X version was running at 4K.

[gravedigger]

So, same resolution as PS4 Pro?

[SonyPS360]

*at the expense of visual quality.

Conveniently left that bit out of the headline.

[FyBy]

Wow, massive performance gain! And good performance for both X and Pro. Theres so little difference. Sometimes Pro has more fps (Pro 60, X 55 - I really dont get it) and sometimes Pro drops. Typical picture here is in demanding scene X has 60 and Pro 50 fps. 60 is capped, so we dont really see capability of Pro and X in different scenes. But if we see maximum difference 60 vs 50, I dont understand why are people constantly arguing over XSX and PS5 performance, where the gap is even closer than X vs Pro. But its funny to read it of course :-).

[chiefJohn117]

This is 1 game and made by Capcom who have a history of not producing the most optimized games

[FyBy]

Im just curious. What they did wrong, that they didnt utilize X fully? Or was it a decision?

[PyroMessiah86]

Wow the bitterness of some fans here now that the Xbox One X version is the best version on console. Great work with the patch being released so quick!