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Xbox boss Phil Spencer also mentions that multiple next-gen consoles might be coming this holiday.

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Jin_Sakai1896d ago (Edited 1896d ago )

Didn’t he mention “consoles” as in Series X and PS5? At least that’s what it sounds like to me.

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porkChop1895d ago

I see it as just referring to all the Series X consoles as a whole. People keep taking that wording to mean two different SKUs, but that isn't likely at this point. There's no reason to release a cheaper, weaker SKU.

CBaoth1895d ago

so you think all those mobile users MS is courting are suddenly going to drop $500 on a premium console? Wouldn't surprise me Lockhart is actually some over-glorified Roku device that lets casuals stream Xbox games via Xcloud on a TV rather than playing on a phone

CaptainOmega1895d ago

There is reason to release a cheaper/weaker sku. For people not wanting to buy the high end product. Similar to Phones

Sayai jin1894d ago

@CBaoth, no. That's is not in MS stated game plan. Xcloud streaming allows PC, mobile ,etc to experience having a Xbox console without owning one. Hence, the servers are just Xbox's.

Kumakai1895d ago

Theres going to be a Series S aka Lockhart. It will be a cheaper, less powerful version of the X, but still more powerful than the One X. Probably slightly below the ps5.

LOGICWINS1895d ago

My guess is that the One X and One S will be discontinued to avoid confusion among casual consumers.

neutralgamer19921895d ago

Yeah like the market needs that Xbox brand is already behind PlayStation so why not confuse the consumers even more

Not like it worked out great for Sony when they did that with PS3 oh wait but knowing the past history of Ms it wouldn't surprise me

Right now they are doing a lot right especially talking wise so just what we need is confusion

Xbox is the cowboys of gaming they can't get out of their own way to have success even though they have the resources

lazyboyblue1895d ago

Look at the little people voting your comment down like it's somehow makes what you said less right.
The clowns.

Godmars2901895d ago

@LOGICWINS:
MS seems to be moving to make Xbox the console as generic, inconsequential, as possible. Especially given that they'll be able to play any Xbox game on any Xbox system.

Of course at some point they're going to stop making past versions.

MatrixxGT1895d ago

So MS is going to release a less powerful sku that will hold developers back from series x and ps5? Devs have to develop for lowest denominator. Not gonna happen.

xX-oldboy-Xx1895d ago

LOGIC - To avoid confusion? I could've sworn people around here laughed at the suggestion of there being any consumer confusion.

ms is all about those subscribers - guaranteed monthly money is all they want. The trojan horse is real people, don't fall for it.

Many of you have already.

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XiNatsuDragnel1896d ago

Hopefully more info or am i wrong here?

Godmars2901895d ago

What more info is needed for a subscription model?

SpaceRanger1896d ago

It’s going to be down to a price and game competition between all companies. As it is MS is having trouble against the Switch alone falling wayyyy behind them in sales.

And games wise we’ve yet to see anything of substance or actual gameplay. If Bleeding Edge is anything to go by, it’ll be another rough gen for them.

AngelicIceDiamond1896d ago

"If Bleeding Edge is anything to go by, it’ll be another rough gen for them."

Cherry picking I see. Made with only 15 people at NT. Most importantly it was a passion project by NT WAY before MS acquired them.

This could of gone 2 ways. Ms could of let them release the game that they want despite how it may scored because they support all of their teams (which they did)

Or

Cancelled the project with major headlines. "MS is anti this and that" not pro gamer the headlines will go on and on. Of course people like you would campaign this for all eternity to no end in sight. Don't even downplay it you definite would. I'm glad MS let them release whatever game they had been making.

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WickedLester1895d ago

There's no need to "cherry pick" when it comes to mediocre Xbox Gamepass fodder. I could sling a dead cat and hit 10 of them.

GTgamer1895d ago

20 people made hell blade and that too was a passion project so what's your argument. You know damn bleeding edge was just gamepass filler

AngelicIceDiamond1895d ago

@Wicked I can name lower rated games that are on PS as well if you really want me to go there but youll probably get your feelings hurt. Every console has average to lower rated games. Instead of just pretending one console just has them.

SpaceRanger1895d ago

“ I can name lower rated games that are on PS as well if you really want me to go there but youll probably get your feelings hurt.“

Who the heck is talking about PlayStation? MS has had indie games, like the first Ori made by only 20 people. And it has more recognition than most AAA games released in the last few years by MS. It’s not cherry picking, it’s the truth.

Supporting it more with more people or time could have been helpful to it? Your argument makes it sound like there was no way to improve the game.

Godmars2901895d ago

@AngelicIceDiamond:
"I can name lower rated games that are on PS as well"

The point is that while you could very well list low rated PS games, MS doe not have a good track record for directly releasing games. Period. That when they do, when its not Halo Gears or Forza, they often fail to live up to expectations. And Bleeding Edge was certainly not an exception.

xX-oldboy-Xx1895d ago

Angelic - What game would you highlight to counter Bleeding Edge?

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Obscure_Observer1896d ago

@SpaceRager

"If Bleeding Edge is anything to go by, it’ll be another rough gen for them."

According to your logic, could be The Outer Words which has a higher than Days Gone and Death Stranding.

SpaceRanger1895d ago

Hmm. You’re not wrong on the scores, but Outer Worlds isn't an exclusive.

I was talking about exclusives that their new studios have made specifically with Xbox in mind. Compare the overall quality of Bleeding edge to the PS exclusives you mentioned... yeah Xbox may truly have a rough gen.

Good job with your points proving my point further! Hadn’t thought of that.

i3eyond the Circle1895d ago

Bleeding edge was made by 15 people lol

Sucker Punch took like what 7 years to make ghosts? It’s still not out.

Congrats I guess on the damn near once per year exclusive you thinks making the generation for Sony lol

Xbox is tripling down on content and all
Folks like you will have is the security you feel when talking about the past and the famous “I’ll play on PC” line. Predictable.

In order for your insecurities to not swallow you alive.

Xcloud will have to be not appealing when market ready, Xbox game studios would all have to make flops, gamepass would have to stop getting games and the majority of 3rd party titles will have to have no difference in performance simultaneously.

I bet you think that’s going to hAppen lol and I bet your education system failed you.

GTgamer1895d ago (Edited 1895d ago )

@obscure_observer
Out world's is not an exclusive are you that desperate

@i3eyondthecircle
"Sucker Punch took like what 7 years to make ghosts? It’s still not out"

Don't tell me your gonna compare bleeding edge to ghost of tsushima with a straight face 🙄 does it really boggle your mind why one took longer to make than the other. Hell crackdown 3 took almost the entire generation and it damn sure don't like it but I digress.

Obscure_Observer1895d ago

@SpaceRanger

"I was talking about exclusives that their new studios have made specifically with Xbox in mind."

The Outer Worlds is a Xbox IP just like Minecraft. And you know very well that Bleeding Edge just like The Outer Worlds, Psychonauts 2, Wastelands 3 were in development long before those studios acquisions. Since I know you´re trying to use Bleeding Edge´s mixed reviews to pain future Xbox exclusives in a negative light, I´ll just wait for your link to the source were Ninja Theory said that they made BG specifically with Xbox in mind.

Go ahead and prove me wrong.

SpaceRanger1895d ago

@ObscureObserver

“ Since I know you´re trying to use Bleeding Edge´s mixed reviews to pain future Xbox exclusives in a negative light...”

I’m sorry? Sounds like you weren’t happy with how bleeding edge turned out. All I said was that it looks rough not that it can’t be improved.

If you’re that much a fanboy of Xbox, good luck next gen. All I was saying was improvement is needed. I’m hoping for it.

Spicyram1895d ago (Edited 1895d ago )

i3eyond the Circle

"im bleeding, making me the victor" - you.

"Sucker Punch took like what 7 years to make ghosts? It’s still not out. "
- Who the hell cares how long it took to develop? it's going to blow people away, VERY MUCH unlike how bleeding edge did. I suppose gears 5 and halo infinite taking 5+ years to develop is NO PROB at all to you? Hypocrite.

"Xbox is tripling down on content and all" - Yea, Trippling down on 2nd rate games like bleeding edge isnt saying much, but nice try.

"Congrats I guess on the damn near once per year exclusive you thinks making the generation for Sony lol"

LMAO what a tool - Do you realise that this year alone Ghost of tsushima, Tlou 2 and dreams (released) are releasing? how many AAA games is that? 3?

im really trying to figure out the foundation for a cocky statement like that when Sony releases Games like Bloodborne and until dawn (2015) uncharted 4 and Ratchet and clank (2016) in one year, gravity rush 2 and HZD in one year (2017) God of war, spiderman in one year (2018) TLOU 2, dreams and GOT in one year (2020) - bUt SonY only releases onE exClusiVe a yEar aM i rIGht? Guess you either have a piss poor memory, or just a very selective one. And yes, that line up absolutely destroys Microsoft's first party output this gen. So once again, what's funny? :)

Ah wait but i forgot.. bleeding edge, sea of thieves, crackdown 3 and recore are the shining jewels of this generation, the games to end all games am i right? ROFL/ s

Spicyram1895d ago (Edited 1895d ago )

death stranding: 82
Outer worlds: 85

Good lord, a WHOLE 3% wow, such a massive difference, it's so crazy.

Obscure_Observer1895d ago

@SpaceRanger

"I’m sorry? Sounds like you weren’t happy with how bleeding edge turned out."

Really? The game was developed by a dozen people, how much expectations can a person reasonably have around that game?

"If Bleeding Edge is anything to go by, it’ll be another rough gen for them."

Again, BG was developed by a dozen people. You tried to paint a picture of future Xbox games based on Bleeding Edge which was desingenous to say at least. Don´t try to deny it.

Then you said it:

"I was talking about exclusives that their new studios have made specifically with Xbox in mind."

I asked you for a proof that I knew you didn´t have. Thanks for proving my point.

SpaceRanger1895d ago

@Obscure Observer

“ Really? The game was developed by a dozen people, how much expectations can a person reasonably have around that game?”

That right there is the issue with most of you who think more equals better quality. Ori was literally made by like 20 people and it’s a great indie Xbox game that got way more recognition than most AAA games on Xbox. So yes, bleeding edge may in fact be a glimpse of the future as other titles are too.

https://www.google.com/amp/...

For the proof, the game is literally on Xbox only. I don’t get what other proof you’re looking for that the focus was just Xbox. I’m so sorry if that bothers you that it was an exclusive? Don’t know what else to tell you. You sound bothered.

Obscure_Observer1895d ago

@SpaceRanger

"Ori was literally made by like 20 people and it’s a great indie Xbox game that got way more recognition than most AAA games on Xbox. So yes, bleeding edge may in fact be a glimpse of the future as other titles are too."

Apples and oranges. What´s next? Forza Horizon vs Quantum Break? I can see you can go down pretty low to try and downplay Xbox exclusives whitout actual proven facts, knowlodge or shame.

"For the proof, the game is literally on Xbox only. I don’t get what other proof you’re looking for that the focus was just Xbox. I’m so sorry if that bothers you that it was an exclusive? Don’t know what else to tell you. You sound bothered."

Sunset Overdrive 2 will most definelly be a Playstation exclusive but that´s doesn´t mean that the game was developed with "Playstation in mind" since it was in development before Insomniac´s acquisition, You know that well, but for some reason you´re here trying to pretend you don´t. You didn´t provide any proof straight from the devs themselves, just some lame made up bs. No point in argument or discuss this matter with you any further. Have it your way.

Happy gaming.

Mr_Writer851895d ago

"Folks like you will have is the security you feel when talking about the past and the famous “I’ll play on PC” line. Predictable."

Or I'll play them on my Xbox 1, since for the first 2 years X1 will still get the Xbox exclusives, meaning no need for a Series X.

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Petebloodyonion1894d ago

Just find funny that when Sony release Spider-man every outlet agree that it's basically the same as any Ubisoft game and give it GOTY awards while giving 6-7 to Ubisoft's open-world game
(I have yet some explain to me why Batman Origin (a 2013 game) is worth a 6 when it has all the + from Spiderman and manage to include a Multiplayer as well).

When MS release Bleeding Edge all media agree that's basically the same as Overwatch in a brawler formula but give it a 6 or 7 while giving Overwatch GOTY (and remember Overwatch was pretty bare when it released).

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Minute Man 7211895d ago

Bleeding Edge was in development before M$ purchased NT. It wasn't build for Xbox in mind

xX-oldboy-Xx1895d ago

Yet Ms in their infinite wisdom chose to show it on stage and present it to the world. Morons.

They should have waited, thrown more money at it and released it as a launch title.

They just wanted to be seen to be releasing 'a new ip' late in the gen. Again, MORONS.

They done more harm than good, they added fuel to the notion - game pass filler - which I think most of the AA does they got were purchased for.

Chris121895d ago

@ Oldboy - When you read the PS fanboy comments it's clear who the MORONS are, right?

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Software_Lover1895d ago

The switch is an entirely new generation .....

SpaceRanger1895d ago

What are you talking about? Nintendo has never followed an actual generation. They literally do their own thing.

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AngelicIceDiamond1895d ago (Edited 1895d ago )

@OldBoy Really? Drawn To Death which scored way worst than BE

@Space I'm talking to your little friend @GT In which Btw Hell blade was more than a passion project. They put everything they had in that game and just broke even and kept the lights on. Oh it wasn't just "I wanna make this fun little game." It NEEDED to be good. BE was in concept phase for awhile. But they put funding and resources in Hell Blade. Even after Hellblade they were skeptical on Producing it despite the fact it sold well and made them money. Obviously MS stepped in we all know what happened. NT has Hellblade 2 and Project Mara in the works.

@Mars If you want you can add to the "failure" list of 7s. 7s are now failures because MS. Days Gone is a "failure" as well then.

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ApocalypseShadow1896d ago

Not a good idea to create a second, inferior console with a drive in it with inferior graphics. Even an SSD only XSX. It wouldn't sell compared to the better XSX. Sony learned that somewhat as the inferior featured $500 PS3 sold worse than the $600 model PS3. And it was the same in power. Over 90% bought the 60gig model until Sony produced the cheaper, 80gig PS3 systems.
https://www.google.com/amp/...

A lot of Xbox fans state that they'd rather buy multi platform games on Xbox One X for higher quality. It becomes about power and extra pixels. So, who's going to buy the lesser model Xbox Series whatever over the better one? It would be contradictory to what is currently said from the base about inferior pixels. Right?

But, in my opinion, Microsoft should stream Xbox Series X games to current consoles for a fee. Even sell a low cost, micro streaming box( which is just like PS Vita TV and Chromecast) with no drive. That would pretty much kill Stadia for good using Azure and beat Google at their own game. With the next gen controller for gaming on it.

If you want native gaming and downloads at the highest quality, you buy Series X. Xbox fans love being connected to the internet. Here's you're solution. A micro console that streams games and movies up to 4K for like $150. The only thing you have to worry about is paying for Game Pass Ultimate and you could play Microsoft's newest games.

I personally don't care for streaming unless it's my own games like Remote Play or what Xcloud does. It's free and no service is required. But remember, even with all this Lockhart talk, none of you like BUYING inferior pixels from your own comments. So, it will NOT sell. But, I believe you're willing to stream it for $15 a month from a micro console. Or current consoles with GPU. And no game buying is required.

Obscure_Observer1896d ago (Edited 1896d ago )

"So, who's going to buy the lesser model Xbox Series whatever over the better one? It would be contradictory to what is currently said from the base about inferior pixels. Right?"

Series X will please hardcore gamers, while the inferior version will please the vast majority of gamers. The casual gamer.

I rather MS invest on multiple consoles than VR at the momment.

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ApocalypseShadow1895d ago

If that were true, Sony could release PS5 and PS5 Pro at launch. PS5 for regular gamers. PS5 Pro for enthusiasts. Sony's not dumb though. They know you don't release two hardware systems at the same time.

It's too much hardware at once. And not everyone will buy it. Two Xbox consoles at launch creates consumer confusion. Consumers like to know that they are buying the best version. Even casuals.

What you don't get is that casuals buy at a lower price. But they do not want inferior product.

I'm guessing that's why you're not in charge. You would find out the hard way.

snoopgg1895d ago

The Lockhart will keep the stadia company on the store shelves. Lol

xX-oldboy-Xx1895d ago

deepdishdj - So buy the potentially cheaper PS5, we all know how the PS4 turned out with a cheaper price point.

Rid your mind of this xbox muck, greedy dogs they are.

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Atom6661896d ago

You're on a dedicated gaming site. Chances are the more casual gamer or budget-conscious buyer might not be the typical demographic here who you're apparently referring to.

I'm sure MS would be perfectly happy if the Series S sells less than the X. Same as I'm sure that Nintendo doesn't mind the Switch Lite selling less, or when the Xbox 360 Arcade version sold less, or the 20gb PS3, etc. It's an option for a portion of your user base.

I'd much prefer to see this introduced early on rather than another midgen upgrade that is partially aimed at getting users to double dip.

Obscure_Observer1895d ago

@Atom666

MS made it clear that they don´t care if the SX will sold lots of consoles or not, the day that they confirmed support for Xbox One consoles for 1-2 years after the SX release.

Sony and MS has very different approachs regarding console gaming, Sony aims for consoles sold, MS aims for engagement and community.

I think its better that way.

ApocalypseShadow1895d ago (Edited 1895d ago )

With the power of next gen systems, what's the point of a mid gen refresh? I'd rather have a PlayStation 6. Which is why I didn't buy Pro. Because it's not that big a jump to matter. And extra pixels aren't that important.

If Microsoft puts out an inferior console, watch what happens to its sales. I showed you a link where Sony learned even having less features but the same power ended up pushing sales for 60gig PS3 at launch.

It won't work like you think. And Nintendo didn't launch both Switches at the same time. It was staggered. Same with 3DS and 2DS. None of them launched at the same time. It's not smart to do so.

Atom6661895d ago

As nice as these systems will be, it's foolish to think that they couldn't be improved upon in 3-4 years.

I saw your link. Two things: 1) it's 13 years old. As we've seen, the market has evolved to the point where consumers fully grasp the idea of multiple versions of hardware offering varying price and performance points, and 2) I agree with the writer's explanation for why Sony discontinued the cheaper model, and it's not quite as simple as you try to make it:

"The industry buzz had always been that Sony was offering retailers better margins on the 60GB unit, hence the reason for the wildly disproportionate retail orders. As far as consumers went, if you were dropping $500 on a PS3, you might as well drop $600 and get more hard drive space and wireless networking all built in."

Plus, 20gb was shit and unsustainable with the eventual size of the PS3 game installs.

But the point remains that PS3 and 360 continued to offer different models at different price points. Then this gen saw successful expansion to the mid gen upgrades. Next? Introduce two (or more) "Series" of a new console.

Whether it's phones, laptops, tablets, or cars, the model works. Even if the top of the line model sells best, why not try to be flexible enough to attract those on a smaller budget?

I think the focus will remain on the X to start, especially if Nadella is as "flexible" on price as Spencer alluded to.

shiva11895d ago

You sound as if the people in this world have all the money to buy 4k TV along with next gen console.

timotim1895d ago

I don't get your logic. We have PS4 and PS4 Pro right now...why is it that the base PS4 continues to sell better than the Pro model??? Its because of price. If there is a lighter SX, it will no doubt come with a lighter price tag making it appealing to those that don't want to spend $500 on a new gaming toy. the cheaper you price, the more people it appeals to...common sense.

anubusgold1895d ago

Worked for the xbox 360 those consoles with no hard drive sold alot and sold alot of memory cards and hard drives after the fact.

Obscure_Observer1894d ago

@deepdishdj

"Also 11 people disagree that times are tight for me 🤔 they may want to have a word with my bank balance."

Pay no mind to disagrees on this site, most of disagrees comes from the fact that you´re considering an Xbox acquisition. I´m also a father of two kids and I know where your priorities are. We got to provide to our family first.

Best of luck to you and your family. We gonna get out of situation rather sooner then later. :)

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Paid in full as soon as preorders go live

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Yoshida claims PS believes Xbox is their only competitor, truth is they don’t have one any more

Former PlayStation boss Shuhei Yoshida claims PlayStation still believes Xbox is their only true competitor, not Nintendo.

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Terry_B23h ago

True, they have pretty different audiences..and some People just have both at home or a PS and a PC that emulates more or less everything from Nintendo.

Knightofelemia21h ago

Xbox hasn't been a competitor since the XB360. Last generation and this generation Sony has been running circles around Xbox. As for Sony vs Nintendo Sony runs circles yes but I don't really see Nintendo as competition. Nintendo does their own thing and it works.

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Lightning7717h ago

Details are important. Console sales yes. Overall games Xbox seems to be doing fairly well in that department.

LoveSpuds5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

MS were doing so well that they had to start selling their games on their main competitors system which in turn results in around 30% of each sale going to Sony as the platform holder.

I do think tjat MS' fortunes will improve now that they are actually selling games rather than giving them away for pennies on the dollar.

Something that occurs to me is that the more success MS published games have elsewhere, the more stark it will become that selling games is much more profitable than renting them. If that becomes highly noticable, I wonder what the shareholders (who ultimately run the show) will make of a service which has stagnated for years?

crazyCoconuts2h ago

PlayStation doesn't compete with third party games, they compete on consoles. They profit from third party games. If you're not comparing consoles there's no point in comparing.

drivxr20h ago

Console wars are over.

Eventually, everyone else will catch up to this fact.

attilayavuzer19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

I think it's all PS fans have left at this point. Console wars were always a competition for fourth place behind Nintendo, PC and mobile. If Xbox evaporates into a hybrid virtual platform, then PS will be perennially left in last place.

Christopher19h ago

Strange, I recall all those FCC documents and witness testimonies saying the exact opposite... Guess Microsoft doesn't know what it's talking about?

PanicMechanic8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Great analysis. Just joking.

Pretending like companies give a f about where they “rank” against each other is just super retarded. This isn’t the World Cup.

Tell me, how does “PC” compete against a brand like PlayStation? It just doesn’t make sense at all. What you just said, is complete and utter nonsense

BlaqMagiq118m ago

I don't think PS cares about being in this so-called "last place" you came up with when they're making profits hand over fist.

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Destiny108020h ago

microsoft wanted to crush sony into dust and they had the money to do it, but with such weak leadership it was always going to fail

Reaper22_19h ago

Had the money? They still have the money but the industry has changed since xbox 360. Microsoft is the number one publisher in gaming. I'd hardly call that failing.

IRetrouk19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

The industry hasn't changed though, just ms, Microsoft was the no1 publisher for a month in december 2024, the actual no1 for fy2024 was tencent if game sales are all that's being counted.

Profchaos18h ago

Money doesn't mean you'll be successful large corporations have entered and failed before like Nec

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