Xbox boss Phil Spencer also mentions that multiple next-gen consoles might be coming this holiday.
Didn’t he mention “consoles” as in Series X and PS5? At least that’s what it sounds like to me.
I see it as just referring to all the Series X consoles as a whole. People keep taking that wording to mean two different SKUs, but that isn't likely at this point. There's no reason to release a cheaper, weaker SKU.
so you think all those mobile users MS is courting are suddenly going to drop $500 on a premium console? Wouldn't surprise me Lockhart is actually some over-glorified Roku device that lets casuals stream Xbox games via Xcloud on a TV rather than playing on a phone
There is reason to release a cheaper/weaker sku. For people not wanting to buy the high end product. Similar to Phones
@CBaoth, no. That's is not in MS stated game plan. Xcloud streaming allows PC, mobile ,etc to experience having a Xbox console without owning one. Hence, the servers are just Xbox's.
Theres going to be a Series S aka Lockhart. It will be a cheaper, less powerful version of the X, but still more powerful than the One X. Probably slightly below the ps5.
My guess is that the One X and One S will be discontinued to avoid confusion among casual consumers.
Yeah like the market needs that Xbox brand is already behind PlayStation so why not confuse the consumers even more Not like it worked out great for Sony when they did that with PS3 oh wait but knowing the past history of Ms it wouldn't surprise me Right now they are doing a lot right especially talking wise so just what we need is confusion Xbox is the cowboys of gaming they can't get out of their own way to have success even though they have the resources
Look at the little people voting your comment down like it's somehow makes what you said less right. The clowns.
@LOGICWINS: MS seems to be moving to make Xbox the console as generic, inconsequential, as possible. Especially given that they'll be able to play any Xbox game on any Xbox system. Of course at some point they're going to stop making past versions.
So MS is going to release a less powerful sku that will hold developers back from series x and ps5? Devs have to develop for lowest denominator. Not gonna happen.
LOGIC - To avoid confusion? I could've sworn people around here laughed at the suggestion of there being any consumer confusion. ms is all about those subscribers - guaranteed monthly money is all they want. The trojan horse is real people, don't fall for it. Many of you have already.
Hopefully more info or am i wrong here?
What more info is needed for a subscription model?
It’s going to be down to a price and game competition between all companies. As it is MS is having trouble against the Switch alone falling wayyyy behind them in sales. And games wise we’ve yet to see anything of substance or actual gameplay. If Bleeding Edge is anything to go by, it’ll be another rough gen for them.
"If Bleeding Edge is anything to go by, it’ll be another rough gen for them." Cherry picking I see. Made with only 15 people at NT. Most importantly it was a passion project by NT WAY before MS acquired them. This could of gone 2 ways. Ms could of let them release the game that they want despite how it may scored because they support all of their teams (which they did) Or Cancelled the project with major headlines. "MS is anti this and that" not pro gamer the headlines will go on and on. Of course people like you would campaign this for all eternity to no end in sight. Don't even downplay it you definite would. I'm glad MS let them release whatever game they had been making.
There's no need to "cherry pick" when it comes to mediocre Xbox Gamepass fodder. I could sling a dead cat and hit 10 of them.
20 people made hell blade and that too was a passion project so what's your argument. You know damn bleeding edge was just gamepass filler
@Wicked I can name lower rated games that are on PS as well if you really want me to go there but youll probably get your feelings hurt. Every console has average to lower rated games. Instead of just pretending one console just has them.
“ I can name lower rated games that are on PS as well if you really want me to go there but youll probably get your feelings hurt.“ Who the heck is talking about PlayStation? MS has had indie games, like the first Ori made by only 20 people. And it has more recognition than most AAA games released in the last few years by MS. It’s not cherry picking, it’s the truth. Supporting it more with more people or time could have been helpful to it? Your argument makes it sound like there was no way to improve the game.
@AngelicIceDiamond: "I can name lower rated games that are on PS as well" The point is that while you could very well list low rated PS games, MS doe not have a good track record for directly releasing games. Period. That when they do, when its not Halo Gears or Forza, they often fail to live up to expectations. And Bleeding Edge was certainly not an exception.
Angelic - What game would you highlight to counter Bleeding Edge?
@SpaceRager "If Bleeding Edge is anything to go by, it’ll be another rough gen for them." According to your logic, could be The Outer Words which has a higher than Days Gone and Death Stranding.
Hmm. You’re not wrong on the scores, but Outer Worlds isn't an exclusive. I was talking about exclusives that their new studios have made specifically with Xbox in mind. Compare the overall quality of Bleeding edge to the PS exclusives you mentioned... yeah Xbox may truly have a rough gen. Good job with your points proving my point further! Hadn’t thought of that.
Bleeding edge was made by 15 people lol Sucker Punch took like what 7 years to make ghosts? It’s still not out. Congrats I guess on the damn near once per year exclusive you thinks making the generation for Sony lol Xbox is tripling down on content and all Folks like you will have is the security you feel when talking about the past and the famous “I’ll play on PC” line. Predictable. In order for your insecurities to not swallow you alive. Xcloud will have to be not appealing when market ready, Xbox game studios would all have to make flops, gamepass would have to stop getting games and the majority of 3rd party titles will have to have no difference in performance simultaneously. I bet you think that’s going to hAppen lol and I bet your education system failed you.
@obscure_observer Out world's is not an exclusive are you that desperate @i3eyondthecircle "Sucker Punch took like what 7 years to make ghosts? It’s still not out" Don't tell me your gonna compare bleeding edge to ghost of tsushima with a straight face 🙄 does it really boggle your mind why one took longer to make than the other. Hell crackdown 3 took almost the entire generation and it damn sure don't like it but I digress.
@SpaceRanger "I was talking about exclusives that their new studios have made specifically with Xbox in mind." The Outer Worlds is a Xbox IP just like Minecraft. And you know very well that Bleeding Edge just like The Outer Worlds, Psychonauts 2, Wastelands 3 were in development long before those studios acquisions. Since I know you´re trying to use Bleeding Edge´s mixed reviews to pain future Xbox exclusives in a negative light, I´ll just wait for your link to the source were Ninja Theory said that they made BG specifically with Xbox in mind. Go ahead and prove me wrong.
@ObscureObserver “ Since I know you´re trying to use Bleeding Edge´s mixed reviews to pain future Xbox exclusives in a negative light...” I’m sorry? Sounds like you weren’t happy with how bleeding edge turned out. All I said was that it looks rough not that it can’t be improved. If you’re that much a fanboy of Xbox, good luck next gen. All I was saying was improvement is needed. I’m hoping for it.
i3eyond the Circle "im bleeding, making me the victor" - you. "Sucker Punch took like what 7 years to make ghosts? It’s still not out. " - Who the hell cares how long it took to develop? it's going to blow people away, VERY MUCH unlike how bleeding edge did. I suppose gears 5 and halo infinite taking 5+ years to develop is NO PROB at all to you? Hypocrite. "Xbox is tripling down on content and all" - Yea, Trippling down on 2nd rate games like bleeding edge isnt saying much, but nice try. "Congrats I guess on the damn near once per year exclusive you thinks making the generation for Sony lol" LMAO what a tool - Do you realise that this year alone Ghost of tsushima, Tlou 2 and dreams (released) are releasing? how many AAA games is that? 3? im really trying to figure out the foundation for a cocky statement like that when Sony releases Games like Bloodborne and until dawn (2015) uncharted 4 and Ratchet and clank (2016) in one year, gravity rush 2 and HZD in one year (2017) God of war, spiderman in one year (2018) TLOU 2, dreams and GOT in one year (2020) - bUt SonY only releases onE exClusiVe a yEar aM i rIGht? Guess you either have a piss poor memory, or just a very selective one. And yes, that line up absolutely destroys Microsoft's first party output this gen. So once again, what's funny? :) Ah wait but i forgot.. bleeding edge, sea of thieves, crackdown 3 and recore are the shining jewels of this generation, the games to end all games am i right? ROFL/ s
death stranding: 82 Outer worlds: 85 Good lord, a WHOLE 3% wow, such a massive difference, it's so crazy.
@SpaceRanger "I’m sorry? Sounds like you weren’t happy with how bleeding edge turned out." Really? The game was developed by a dozen people, how much expectations can a person reasonably have around that game? "If Bleeding Edge is anything to go by, it’ll be another rough gen for them." Again, BG was developed by a dozen people. You tried to paint a picture of future Xbox games based on Bleeding Edge which was desingenous to say at least. Don´t try to deny it. Then you said it: "I was talking about exclusives that their new studios have made specifically with Xbox in mind." I asked you for a proof that I knew you didn´t have. Thanks for proving my point.
@Obscure Observer “ Really? The game was developed by a dozen people, how much expectations can a person reasonably have around that game?” That right there is the issue with most of you who think more equals better quality. Ori was literally made by like 20 people and it’s a great indie Xbox game that got way more recognition than most AAA games on Xbox. So yes, bleeding edge may in fact be a glimpse of the future as other titles are too. https://www.google.com/amp/... For the proof, the game is literally on Xbox only. I don’t get what other proof you’re looking for that the focus was just Xbox. I’m so sorry if that bothers you that it was an exclusive? Don’t know what else to tell you. You sound bothered.
@SpaceRanger "Ori was literally made by like 20 people and it’s a great indie Xbox game that got way more recognition than most AAA games on Xbox. So yes, bleeding edge may in fact be a glimpse of the future as other titles are too." Apples and oranges. What´s next? Forza Horizon vs Quantum Break? I can see you can go down pretty low to try and downplay Xbox exclusives whitout actual proven facts, knowlodge or shame. "For the proof, the game is literally on Xbox only. I don’t get what other proof you’re looking for that the focus was just Xbox. I’m so sorry if that bothers you that it was an exclusive? Don’t know what else to tell you. You sound bothered." Sunset Overdrive 2 will most definelly be a Playstation exclusive but that´s doesn´t mean that the game was developed with "Playstation in mind" since it was in development before Insomniac´s acquisition, You know that well, but for some reason you´re here trying to pretend you don´t. You didn´t provide any proof straight from the devs themselves, just some lame made up bs. No point in argument or discuss this matter with you any further. Have it your way. Happy gaming.
"Folks like you will have is the security you feel when talking about the past and the famous “I’ll play on PC” line. Predictable." Or I'll play them on my Xbox 1, since for the first 2 years X1 will still get the Xbox exclusives, meaning no need for a Series X.
Just find funny that when Sony release Spider-man every outlet agree that it's basically the same as any Ubisoft game and give it GOTY awards while giving 6-7 to Ubisoft's open-world game (I have yet some explain to me why Batman Origin (a 2013 game) is worth a 6 when it has all the + from Spiderman and manage to include a Multiplayer as well). When MS release Bleeding Edge all media agree that's basically the same as Overwatch in a brawler formula but give it a 6 or 7 while giving Overwatch GOTY (and remember Overwatch was pretty bare when it released).
Bleeding Edge was in development before M$ purchased NT. It wasn't build for Xbox in mind
Yet Ms in their infinite wisdom chose to show it on stage and present it to the world. Morons. They should have waited, thrown more money at it and released it as a launch title. They just wanted to be seen to be releasing 'a new ip' late in the gen. Again, MORONS. They done more harm than good, they added fuel to the notion - game pass filler - which I think most of the AA does they got were purchased for.
@ Oldboy - When you read the PS fanboy comments it's clear who the MORONS are, right?
The switch is an entirely new generation .....
What are you talking about? Nintendo has never followed an actual generation. They literally do their own thing.
I dunno. M$ makes enough profit from XBox diehards to warrant it's continued existence, and from what I understand of the average XBox gamer, Bleeding Edge seems exactly like what they'd want to play. I say let the special children have their toys.
@OldBoy Really? Drawn To Death which scored way worst than BE @Space I'm talking to your little friend @GT In which Btw Hell blade was more than a passion project. They put everything they had in that game and just broke even and kept the lights on. Oh it wasn't just "I wanna make this fun little game." It NEEDED to be good. BE was in concept phase for awhile. But they put funding and resources in Hell Blade. Even after Hellblade they were skeptical on Producing it despite the fact it sold well and made them money. Obviously MS stepped in we all know what happened. NT has Hellblade 2 and Project Mara in the works. @Mars If you want you can add to the "failure" list of 7s. 7s are now failures because MS. Days Gone is a "failure" as well then.
Not a good idea to create a second, inferior console with a drive in it with inferior graphics. Even an SSD only XSX. It wouldn't sell compared to the better XSX. Sony learned that somewhat as the inferior featured $500 PS3 sold worse than the $600 model PS3. And it was the same in power. Over 90% bought the 60gig model until Sony produced the cheaper, 80gig PS3 systems. https://www.google.com/amp/... A lot of Xbox fans state that they'd rather buy multi platform games on Xbox One X for higher quality. It becomes about power and extra pixels. So, who's going to buy the lesser model Xbox Series whatever over the better one? It would be contradictory to what is currently said from the base about inferior pixels. Right? But, in my opinion, Microsoft should stream Xbox Series X games to current consoles for a fee. Even sell a low cost, micro streaming box( which is just like PS Vita TV and Chromecast) with no drive. That would pretty much kill Stadia for good using Azure and beat Google at their own game. With the next gen controller for gaming on it. If you want native gaming and downloads at the highest quality, you buy Series X. Xbox fans love being connected to the internet. Here's you're solution. A micro console that streams games and movies up to 4K for like $150. The only thing you have to worry about is paying for Game Pass Ultimate and you could play Microsoft's newest games. I personally don't care for streaming unless it's my own games like Remote Play or what Xcloud does. It's free and no service is required. But remember, even with all this Lockhart talk, none of you like BUYING inferior pixels from your own comments. So, it will NOT sell. But, I believe you're willing to stream it for $15 a month from a micro console. Or current consoles with GPU. And no game buying is required.
"So, who's going to buy the lesser model Xbox Series whatever over the better one? It would be contradictory to what is currently said from the base about inferior pixels. Right?" Series X will please hardcore gamers, while the inferior version will please the vast majority of gamers. The casual gamer. I rather MS invest on multiple consoles than VR at the momment.
If that were true, Sony could release PS5 and PS5 Pro at launch. PS5 for regular gamers. PS5 Pro for enthusiasts. Sony's not dumb though. They know you don't release two hardware systems at the same time. It's too much hardware at once. And not everyone will buy it. Two Xbox consoles at launch creates consumer confusion. Consumers like to know that they are buying the best version. Even casuals. What you don't get is that casuals buy at a lower price. But they do not want inferior product. I'm guessing that's why you're not in charge. You would find out the hard way.
The Lockhart will keep the stadia company on the store shelves. Lol
deepdishdj - So buy the potentially cheaper PS5, we all know how the PS4 turned out with a cheaper price point. Rid your mind of this xbox muck, greedy dogs they are.
You're on a dedicated gaming site. Chances are the more casual gamer or budget-conscious buyer might not be the typical demographic here who you're apparently referring to. I'm sure MS would be perfectly happy if the Series S sells less than the X. Same as I'm sure that Nintendo doesn't mind the Switch Lite selling less, or when the Xbox 360 Arcade version sold less, or the 20gb PS3, etc. It's an option for a portion of your user base. I'd much prefer to see this introduced early on rather than another midgen upgrade that is partially aimed at getting users to double dip.
@Atom666 MS made it clear that they don´t care if the SX will sold lots of consoles or not, the day that they confirmed support for Xbox One consoles for 1-2 years after the SX release. Sony and MS has very different approachs regarding console gaming, Sony aims for consoles sold, MS aims for engagement and community. I think its better that way.
With the power of next gen systems, what's the point of a mid gen refresh? I'd rather have a PlayStation 6. Which is why I didn't buy Pro. Because it's not that big a jump to matter. And extra pixels aren't that important. If Microsoft puts out an inferior console, watch what happens to its sales. I showed you a link where Sony learned even having less features but the same power ended up pushing sales for 60gig PS3 at launch. It won't work like you think. And Nintendo didn't launch both Switches at the same time. It was staggered. Same with 3DS and 2DS. None of them launched at the same time. It's not smart to do so.
As nice as these systems will be, it's foolish to think that they couldn't be improved upon in 3-4 years. I saw your link. Two things: 1) it's 13 years old. As we've seen, the market has evolved to the point where consumers fully grasp the idea of multiple versions of hardware offering varying price and performance points, and 2) I agree with the writer's explanation for why Sony discontinued the cheaper model, and it's not quite as simple as you try to make it: "The industry buzz had always been that Sony was offering retailers better margins on the 60GB unit, hence the reason for the wildly disproportionate retail orders. As far as consumers went, if you were dropping $500 on a PS3, you might as well drop $600 and get more hard drive space and wireless networking all built in." Plus, 20gb was shit and unsustainable with the eventual size of the PS3 game installs. But the point remains that PS3 and 360 continued to offer different models at different price points. Then this gen saw successful expansion to the mid gen upgrades. Next? Introduce two (or more) "Series" of a new console. Whether it's phones, laptops, tablets, or cars, the model works. Even if the top of the line model sells best, why not try to be flexible enough to attract those on a smaller budget? I think the focus will remain on the X to start, especially if Nadella is as "flexible" on price as Spencer alluded to.
You sound as if the people in this world have all the money to buy 4k TV along with next gen console.
I don't get your logic. We have PS4 and PS4 Pro right now...why is it that the base PS4 continues to sell better than the Pro model??? Its because of price. If there is a lighter SX, it will no doubt come with a lighter price tag making it appealing to those that don't want to spend $500 on a new gaming toy. the cheaper you price, the more people it appeals to...common sense.
Worked for the xbox 360 those consoles with no hard drive sold alot and sold alot of memory cards and hard drives after the fact.
@deepdishdj "Also 11 people disagree that times are tight for me 🤔 they may want to have a word with my bank balance." Pay no mind to disagrees on this site, most of disagrees comes from the fact that you´re considering an Xbox acquisition. I´m also a father of two kids and I know where your priorities are. We got to provide to our family first. Best of luck to you and your family. We gonna get out of situation rather sooner then later. :)
Paid in full as soon as preorders go live
😱😱 multiple next gen consoles from Microsoft, the name having Series it it was a bit of a give away. They said no next generation exclusives for a year or so by which point oh look at our new console, said it before and now they’ve said this I’ll say it again. Predictable and a bit of a rip off they trying to turn it into PC and upgrades every 12/18 months jog on.
This is actually a great idea. instead of seeing that $500-600 price tag, they can advertise a lower monthly price.
Series x 😍
Of course it will, services are the future of microsoft.
Ongoing services are a way better revenue model then single event games and consoles. First, people can budget the set amount for the services and know exactly what they will get. Second, they have to keep the services attractive by shipping new games and features all the time otherwise people will stop subscribing. Third, (at least for me) services have saved me a lot of money. Gone are day one purchasing and paying $50-60 for games for me.... Now, I pay a flat $15 (GamePass Ultimate monthly cost in Canada) and I have more games then enough to play!
For You, i like to buy the games i want. Dont buy many because i work. So i play a MP game and one sp game. Thats the time i got. Because any multiplayer game needs hours and hours. More i dont like services games. But having a choice is always good. I also trade games with my friends. And i still like the boxes. Its stupid, but i like it.
@waverider And that is the key... Give gamers choice so they can play they want to play.
If there is a weaker XBOX alongside the XBOX Series X Like the XBOX series S lets call it... It would explain a few things. It would explain why they went with a cheaper SSD technology- expandable because the other machine may have not only smaller storage but the same lower speed storage which for a console, lets say in the 8-9TF range priced at a nice position, (not going to speculate and start throwing out numbers) could at least keep the brand from becoming a luxury item if the MSRP of the X is 599+ ( very possible ) It does do one bad thing though. It could end up with Xbox one X syndrom- Where games really are not going to fully take advantage of the extra power because EVEN in the XBOX ecosystem it isnt the only machine. Another way to put it is this . If the PS5 a couple years in has sold 40 million ,and the Series X has sold 10 million and the Series S has sold 20 or 30 million (lets say they are equal and the average person doesnt want to buy the expensive machine - again this is all speculation right so lets just take it with a grain of salt and accept this as a hypothetical ) The developers are going to target PS5 - with the most units of one type, and the Series S will get a few small downgrades so it runs on there, and the series X will get a dynamic resolution bump or turn on an effect or whatever they can manage with the extra 15+% GPU power - But they are probably not going to sit down and say "How can we MILK this 12TF, and keep every compute unit busy?" If the other 2 consoles are not pushing that same amount of CUs or total floating point operations AND they're also thinking of keeping it on PC and god forbid , switch. Later in the generation as the systems are optimized for you may see nicer improvements like locked 4k when the PS5 is using dynamic or something - but early in the generation not so much. Dont expect texture improvements on the Series X over the PS5 with identical amounts of memory and the PS5 able to load more textures faster- with the faster clock and therefore fillrate you may even have instances where the Series X runs at higher dynamic resolution, with worse textures and loading times than the PS5. Thats the bizarre situation we are in right now. And again I am talking only about third party because you cant even assume what the first parties will do.
The Series S would only be the All Digital version, aka, no disc drive. They said this before. It wouldn't make any sense to release a slightly weaker SKU. It would mean less bulk buy cost savings for their individual platforms, market confusion, and the purpose of a mid gen upgrade, the One X. They said before, and people on hete bragged about it, that it would be forward compatible with next gen, running a lower version but with enough power to still have some of the features and enough eye candy to suffice those wanting to upgrade mid gen. The One X IS the low tier version. If they abandon it then it's just another lie and failed promise. Again, a low performance next gen console release makes no sense. These specific dream filled examples of it don't work that way
How about they push some exclusive for their next gen launch.
it will take most Developers two to three years to move on to next gen, they don't want to miss out on 100 miliion+ gamers Phil is keeping it real
Matt Boots isn't kepping it real - promising a new game every 3 or 4 months, keep up with the lies bro. This is ms we're talking about haha. Slippery snakes the lot of them.
But somehow Sony and Nintendo can do it. What's the point of having a powerhouse machine with no software to fully utilize your brand new hardware.