GT5P shown at 4x HD resolution (3840x2160 @ 240FPS) during Downshift Session 2008

Taken directly from the article ~

"Gran Turismo in 4 times the resolution of Full HD

Polyphony Digital also presented two technological trials for the next generation at this event. Both of the presentations, were founded on the philosophy of "achieving the highest possible quality" held over the years by Gran Turismo.

One of these, was a time trial competition using Sony's newest digital cinema projector, the "SRX-S110". Gran Turismo 5 prologue is already in Full HD resolution at 1920 x 1080 pixels, providing the highest resolution possible in today's TV content. However in this time trial, the Full HD image was increased to twice the resolution both vertically and horizontally (4x the surface area), enabling game play at an ultra high resolution of 3840 x 2160 pixels. This was performed by connecting and synchronizing four Playstation 3's outputting a quarter of the image each at 1920x1080 pixels, but you must remember this demands an extremely high quality image from the source that can withstand the ultra high resolution. It can be said that this demonstration was only made possible, because the source image was Gran Turismo......"

[Silogon]

One day that'll be us in our living rooms... Well, rather our sons and daughters probably.

On a side note... do you remember when Krazy Ken said that the more Ps3's in and around and area connected would mean the more power and performance the PS3 would be able to achive? Remember that? Sure it didn't go down for us, but it looks like this is a little bit of what that crazy ass dude was talking about. Maybe Ps4, guys!!!!

[Oner]

I'm already on my way with 2 PS3's an Obutto Race Chassis & a Logitech G25! Though in all honesty I wouldn't go all out like in the article (FFS the projector is $$$$)...I'll be happy with what the PS3 can do now & what the PS4 along with Polyphony Digital has to offer when that day comes ;).

[Socom]

The only true High Def multi media 10 in 1 console.

[pixelsword]

...more like a visionary that gets laughed-at by people with gimped vision.

[jams_shop]

wow this is one the coolest post ever. I need three more PS3s!!!

[Liquid Dust]

HOLY CRAP

[WANNA GET HIGH]

WOW :O

@jame_shop http://www.youtube.com/watc...

LOL XD

[hay]

And a display that can show 240fps.

[Hydrolex]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[UltimateIdiot911]

Holy Crap doesn't even cut it.
Imagine what Polyphony Digital will do when PS4 comes out. I hope GT5 will blow my mind with realness. GT5P is already awesome, although their online play definitely needs work.

[Bonsai1214]

i actually enjoyed reading this article. the tech specs and stuff floated my boat.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

Which one has better graphics?

Thats kinda tough to say.

[Yoma]

lol

3840×2160 8,294,400 16:9 2160p DCI Cinema 4k standard format Quad HDTV, (there is no HD Ready 2160p Quad HDTV format)

Source: Wikipedia

[Mr_Bun]

Who was questioning the quality of PS3 games again?

[barom]

I'm a bit confused. So each PS3 is doing it's quarter of a screen right? So I can totally understand the 4x 1080p resolution. However, since each is only doing work on their own PART of the screen, then the 60 frames per second can't be added up.

What I'm basically trying to say is. If you put have 4 artists drawing a picture, each doing their quarter of the drawing but at the same speed. Then the picture (although 4x bigger) will still be drawed at the same speed. It doesn't get 4 times faster to finish drawing the picture.

Anyway it's still pretty sick and we won't probably be able to tell the difference as the human eye can only see so much at a certain rate anyway.

[iHEARTboobs]

I think you're off on your analogy. But i do get what you're trying to say. The reason i think it's off is because if you do have 4 artists painting a quarter of a painting, simultaneously, then it will be done quicker. Because if it takes them each 15mins to do their quarter and they start at the same time they'll be done with the painting in 15mins.

Anyway, it does look awesome.

[SPECTRUX]

"The other display was a playable demonstration on a Nano-Spindt FED / Field Emissions Display developed by Sony, with a frame rate of 240fps (240 frames per second).

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue has already achieved a frame rate of 60p (progressive), but in this demo, Gran Turismo was made playable at four times this frame rate at 240fps.

The SXRD demonstration described above used four PS3’s to improve image quality, but this used the same to increase the frame rate.

The display used in this demonstration was the 19 inch nano-Spindt FED screen produced by FE Technologies, who is a company that has taken over the development of the FED technology that was being developed at Sony. This display contains over 10,000 electron sources called the nano-spindt emitter, per pixcel. A fluorescent substance is exposed to the electrons from the emitters to produce light, and this format is very close to a cathode-ray tube in principle. The resulting view angle is wider in comparison to a LCD panel, and it shows superior performance when displaying moving images, with no blurring of the outline."

[barom]

Yea my analogy was kinda off. But even though I didn't write it, I really meant that if 4 artists were to draw a picture 4x as big. It would not go any faster than 1 artist drawing the "original" size of the picture.

Anyway, all I'm getting at. Is that yea I can see 240 frames of 1080p picture per second and 60 frames of 4x1080p per second. I can not see how it's 240 frames of 4x1080p though. And I do not see how FED displays may be able to speed things up. I mean displays are just used to display the picture no? I'm nowhere close to a tech geek so that might be the reason why it just doesn't make much sense to me. I guess it's possible though.

Anyway even with 60fps it's still awesome.

[SonyOwnsNextYear]

once again,

sony= highest quality entertainment

[sloth4urluv]

I think they are confused if one PS3 can do 1080p@60fps then 2160p@240fps would need 16xPS3. Either they are adding up the 60fps from each PS3, or they are confusing the refresh rate of the display with the fps.

240Hz does not equal 240fps.

[AAACE5]

That looks great indeed!

[Jeebus]

I agree with you, BUT, if you read that part of the article they say that they tied in 4 PS3s for the 240fps. So you're right, but you didn't read =)

[PirateThom]

Do want... :(

[2Negativecool]

Who the hell disagreed??

Why wouldn't you want this?

[Mr_Showtime1]

I wonder how many peoples eyes melted and how many heads just straight up exploded lol

[Foxgod]

0

[Diamondwolf]

You shouldn't go around giving out your IQ Level. At least try to trick people to thinking it's at least a 40 or 50

[Erotic Sheep]

Fox your "amazing" PC processor can't do this

[Foxgod]

it will come closer then your ps3

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Obviously not...

...since his PS3 just DID THAT!

[Foxgod]

No it didnt, those images come from a cluster of ps3's.
Imagine what a cluster of i7's do with a cluster of Radeon HD twin GPU's.

A whole lot more.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

I understand that processors can always be upgraded, but currently, the CELL is the most powerful one out there. A modified CELL chip was in the top supercomputer that broke one petaflop.

*Like a Jr. High kid* What now?

Haha...I miss those kids. They're all in jail now though...

[Foxgod]

uh, the fastest cell super computer is on position 449 in the top 500 super computers.

Everything above that (pos 448 to 1) does not feature cell computers, you have been misinformed.

Besides, the I7 alone, makes minchmeat out of the cell.

[Mr PS3]

Now Back to your Avaturds

[Boty]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

and

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[PirateThom]

Oh lord. The tower in the first link made me laugh!

[PirateThom]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch...

Oh lord, they need to get GT5 ON THIS!

[Boty]

I only wish! Thats 800 CORES!

[UltimateIdiot911]

Forget about having an army of PS3, I want their display.

[Bladestar]

lol.. you saw the first video guy "I have 3 PS3"? What's wrong with his hand... he obviously need to get a girlfriend.

[wetowel]

Holy Shi^

[kharma45]

Damn right xD

[INehalemEXI]

Indeed.

[edhe]

Nice.

You really do get to see the benefit of the cell when they start parallel processing on 'em, should be a good clue as to what the ps4 may be.

...drooling yet?

[PirateThom]

Consider this.

The PS3 was supposed to have no GPU and 4 Cell processors, but costs eliminated that.

The PS4 needs to have 4 Cell Processors 4GB of RAM (1GB per processor) and a x12 Blu-ray drive.

Epic.

[MvmntInGrn]

whoa I have never heard those specs, that would have been absolutely mind-blowing. By PS4 the cell will be a lot cheaper.

[Bladestar]

PirateThom the spects you are describing would probably be a waste of money and resources for sony to put on a "game" console since the price tag would probably be in the thousands...

Don't forget it's not about making the most powerful console. It's about making the most powerful console that developers can easly work with and the mainstream can buy.

We all know that Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo can make a game console with 1 TB of ran and 50 cores with a 2TB hard drive... but it's useless to game developers and gamers... and can only be use to give fans hardons on tech demos like the ones we see here with GT5P...

These tech demos tend to be useless since no one knows what direction technology will take 5-10 years from now... all it takes is someone to come up with a breakthrough and tech demos are useless.

[PirateThom]

Yeah, but we're talking in 2 or 3 years time. 2GB+ RAM is standard in just about every PC and a Cell processor is currently less than $60.

With constant cost and size reductions, it's not outside the realms of possibility. Hasn't there been rumours that the PS4 would use a Cell based architecture so developers could hit the ground running with programming for it?

I'd say they'd avoid a massively expensive console, though.

[Bathyj]

They didn't spend billions making Cell just one one generation of console. If you think that, you're just as shortsighted as M$.

And we all know Cells are made to hive, and work together. 4 Cells connected can to alot more than 4 working on their own,

By the time PS4 comes, Cell will be cheap, BR drives will be cheap and quicker, and RAM will be cheap. God, its a no brainer.

[Bladestar]

@Bathyj - you may be right about Sony using the cell on the PS4... but nothing is certain... I remember myself talking to my friends about the emotion chip and how the PS2 had the most advance CPU... and guess what Sony abandon it and many of the things they showed on tech demos never materialized.

The reason why I am not too sure about Sony's commitment with the Cell is because of they did not long ago; they sold their cell factories and assets which means they own the cell as much as microsoft does. If they would be planning to be in it for the long run and have lots of faith in it; why would they do that; instead of putting more and more money into research and development?

So, like I said you may be right about the cell... Sony may license the next cell to IBM.. but they are currently out of anything to do with the cell outside of the PS3 of course.

[LiquifiedArt]

@Bladestar

"I remember myself talking to my friends about the emotion chip and how the PS2 had the most advance CPU... and guess what Sony abandon it and many of the things they showed on tech demos never materialized."

Thats acutally NOT TRUE. Cell is the Evolution of the EE. Its still part of Ken Kutaragi's Vision. His vision is a future with Parallel Processing.

[jlytle1234]

the cell is a joint venture between sony, toshiba, and ibm. They all equally own it through a joint company called STi. Sony sold its cell factories to toshiba to make back some of the money it spent in r&d for the cell. It didnt sell its share in the processor and factories have nothing to do with research and development. Sony owns as much of the cell as its co-creators. IBM has been using the cell to make servers and the most powerful supercomputer on earth. You would have to be crazy to think the next playstation wont be a cell based engine considering:
1) there isnt anything as powerful
2) they spent so much money developing it
3) by the time the ps4 is out, devs will understand the cell technology. so why would you change it on them again, knowing the kind of problems it will cause.
4) cell technology will be much cheaper to produce having been around for so long.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

That's actually true and in a way I think it would have be worth the risk if Sony was that risky. That would allow Killzone 2 to be in 1080p with 60fps instead of 720p at 30fps.

[Ju]

Not sure if they'll ever use multiple cpus in a game console, but one CELL on the roadmap has 2 cores and 32spus. That's about the same SPU performance (maybe more, since its possibly optimized) like those 4 PS3, and the 2 PPU cores could be enough to what those 4 PS3 do, but will be more efficient because the share short data paths. Maybe, a multiple RSX approach could be added. That's the only thing where I would be curious to see how to scale this chip. With a CELL beast, an old fashioned RSX (or multiples of it) could be sufficient and used as a rasterizer only. Rest can be done by the CELL. So, I think these theories are not to far off - except the market dictates a Wii-like approach for the next gen.

I would be curious to learn, how they connected those 4 PS3s. And how the communication works between them. Just a 4 way HDMI port wouldn't do, I guess.

Anyway, before one says, 3840x2160, what for. It would also give you 4x more details on 1080p.

[DaTruth]

Given this scenario, it is not necessary to build a whole new console, many have already used multiple PS3's working together to make a supercomputer, so it would only be necessary to buy another PS3 and write a firmware to let them work together. All PS3's have Wifi so they could easily communicate with each other at high speeds. When PS3 hits $150 price range it would be easy and cheap for anybody to join the next gen by buying another PS3.

[MvmntInGrn]

pretty insane, the syncing must have been difficult.

Playing GT5p: $40.

Getting a 1080p HDTV to play GT5p the way it was meant to: $700-2000

Seeing or playing GT5p in 3840x2160 on a 220in HDTV: Priceless and Euphoric.

[na2ru1]

amen

[ultimolu]

...*ded*

[Anon1974]

I remember hearing people say the 4x HD tv's were going to replace 1080p, so don't even bother but then it was pointed out in some tech forums that unless you're viewing a screen over 50", the untrained human eye can't distinguish the difference between 720p and 1080p. You'd probably have to have a 220" screen to notice any difference between 4x HD and 1080p. I don't think we'll see home broadcasts or movies in anything over 1080p, anytime soon.

Personally, I'm lucky enough to game with a 1080p projector on a 92" screen. I must say, it kicks copious amounts of butt.

[40cal]

That they have yet to finish GT5 and are already planing for GT6?

[BananaSlug]

so that's how they will sell playstation 3s

=)

[Bathyj]

Wow. Just wow.

Gentlemen, and Ladies, we've just been given a glimps of what the backward compatibility will be like on Playstation 4.

Imagine an actual PS4 game.

Now show as Killzone.

[DJ]

Multiple Cell and RSX chips, so the effort definitely isn't a waste of time on Polyphony's part.

[jlytle1234]

i doubt youll see rsx chips. thats just a custom nvidia graphics card. its already outdated. same with the 360 gpu.
my bet is Sony will develop a combination of cell processors that will handle cpu and gpu work. cut out the tradional gpu that gets outdated every year.

[Ju]

With a monster CELL nobody needs another sophisticated shader monster. Its already there.

[Surfman]

pp? ppppp???

[ToastyMcNibbles]

sorry wrong section!

[na2ru1]

FPS(frames) will be a priority because thats what I believe makes thing closer to realism. Textures should come after, then resolution and then polygons. COD4 has the worst textures i've seen but is IMO the most realistic looking shooter.

240fps is absolutly insane! I wonder if it naturally creates a motion blur to our eyes.

Polyphony Digital are awesome.

[Ju]

I disagree. Sure, FPS should be stable, preferably at a range of 60. But 30 is enough, if it has to be (go back play UT3 and you couldn't tell its "just" 30fps, although its one of the fastest shooters for console out there - btw. a mod makes it even faster up to PC speed).

What make things realistic, IMO, is the amount of (small, subtle) objects you can put on the screen. I would even speculate its more vertex (geometry) then texture dependent.

Yeah, textures require more data throughput, but geometry will scale exponentially if you go near photo realistic. There is always this little dirt bag you just can drop anywhere on the landscape but adds to the over all atmosphere.

[andron]

I remember reading somewhere that if they made movies at 60 frames per second it would fool the brain into thinking it is real.

This was in an article about IMAX I read some time ago. That calculated in the large screen too, so I don't know if you would have the same effect with a TV.

But I doubt games will be made with such a high framerate, and we would need new screens too. Probably not going to happen until next next gen. consoles...

[Ju]

Its like having 60fps in a normal, flat movie screen compared to 30 in Imax. Which one do you think cheats your brain more ?

That said, I believe next wave of tech is fast enough to sustain 60fps @ 1080p.

[ToastyMcNibbles]

guys i gotta question and i know its off topic so forgive me...its a noob question but i just got a 40 inch 1080p tv today and i havent set it up yet but i wanted to know if the ps3 can upscale a 720p game to 1080p and if it can does it make a difference to the quality? thanks guys and sorry again

[DJ]

Whatever's printed on the game case "720P, 1080i, 1080P" is what you get. It does upscale dvd movies quite well though, including video footage on your hard drive.

[ToastyMcNibbles]

thanks my dude appreciate it bubbles

[Oner]

Well actually the PS3 can upscale. All you have to do is remove 720p from it's resolutions and it will upscale it to 1080p (I've done this with Uncharted in the past). Though in all honesty I just play the games in their native resolution as that was the way the dev designed it for.

[Ju]

If you disable the 720, though, some (older) games will downscale to 480. Some (like MGS4) run 1080p even with 720 on. Recent games all scale well to 1080, but can lead to some blurry effects (if scaled). R2 has some weird things going on in 1080. Like the rotating Resistance logo has a too low resolution for 1080 and gets jaggy in 1080, while the rest of the game looks just fine. Minor things like that keep me from disabling 720.

[shawnsl65]

well time to save up money to buy another tv once 4k pixel hits the mainstream.

[QSPR]

Who think now the PS3 can't do 4D graphics and the FULL HD resolution?? give some time to the devs they need to work and find the true power of the PS3

[AuToFiRE]

DAMN IT! SCREENS OR GTFO

[dukadork]

even in 720p, GT5P, motorstorm2 and wipeoutHD look gorgeous on a projector. seems like the projector does some AA naturally... it's perfect for racing games.

only problem is FPS games: when the screen is too big, it makes you sick real quick :(

[AuToFiRE]

the only problem i have with big screens is you have to look around

[tortella]

just to let u know

[dukadork]

@AuToFiRE: yeah, try Mirror's Edge and you'll throw up, guarantied ;)

@tortella: yeah but 1080p projectors were over $10000 when I bought mine!
Today, you can find a 720p projector for less than $1000 and you get a picture much bigger than a TV...

[caffman]

108p? Jesus that must REALLY suck

[ChaoFun]

what about xbox?

[MaximusPrime]

xbox 360 cannot handle GT5, only less inferior flawza 2

[Oner]

Maximus you actually made me laugh! Flawza 2 LOL! ~ Bubbles

[tortella]

awesome reply

ROFL

[Statix]

They ought to do this for Killzone 2, or on any other PS3 game for that matter. I'd like to see this functionality implemented more in more actual released games. Seeing KZ2 run at 2560x 1440 would be kinda cool.

[Valdass]

holy crap

[vicheous]

Dam i need to win the lottery soon!

The SRX-S110 cost about 120k Euros!
I got two ps3's so i also need two more of them!

[smurfie4]

Too bad the average consumer won't have this projector. I could imagine how incredible it looked though.

[Kasatka]

We could be playing GT6 on a sony Organic-LED tv, remember those.

[vicheous]

OLED is out! The new Nokia N85 cell phone has a OLED screen
And there is also a 11" tv that's out now!

[Kasatka]

Just imagine a 50 inch OLED only 1.5 inches thin. That is the future for tv. Also I would think the next psp would have an OLED screen to, hopefully

[vicheous]

I think it's a bit strange that they did not put a OLED screen in the PSP3000 since they did it in a cell phone already

[Shaka2K6]

LMAO with only 2 tracks and 5 cars LMAO!!!!

Sony PS3 is the king !!

[lokiroo420]

Time for the box boys to box up the their boxes and say bye bye.

[SpartanGR]

I wish we could sli our playstations (at least for someone who already owns 2 or more). Imagine EVERY game native 1080p at 60/120/200fps with no drops.

[redmamoth]

... that i'll never see this with my own eyes... :-(

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

Nothing comes close to or has yet to the sheer awe that is inspired by the HD images of GT5 on the PS3.

I hope they figure out how to make all game look this amazing!!

[jerethdagryphon]

the fps demo was separate to the 4hd demo

both used 4 ps3s but were showing differnt things

i think it would take 20 ps3s to do both demos at once

4 or graphics + 4 per quarter doing the fps part

[jerethdagryphon]

would be pointless as theyd vbe compressed to .jpeg standards

and would be lossy then lossy again when displayed on low res moniters

the science works but only way to see it would be to hope they do another event

[cmrbe]

I present PS4!!

Haha. This is why poly has taken so long with GT5. Nothing close to revolutionary perfection is what they are aiming for.

Poly is living up to their rep. GT will again define the best there is in PS gaming like they did in previous gens.

No other racing game or any game for that matter can match its technical achievements.

[RLSsmokes]

PS4 looking good

[Ldubbz]

Tech demos are always cool. Im intrigued by the concept of 240fps...does that even make sense? I sure as hell wanna see that.

Also, my question is did Polyphony re-render out each screen at 1080p, or was it upscaled? Not that it matters, but Im curious. Thats a pretty thorough tech demo if so.

[pixelsword]

...I will welcome it;

I would hate to see the PS3 or 360 cut short because this gen's consoles couldn't cut it so the makers of the consoles "take the money and run" to the next generation.

[shawnsl65]

yeah.. but good thing most developers aren't ready for the next next gen gaming system yet. Heck, they haven't even perfected this gen consoles yet. I'm pretty sure the ps3 will last at least 7 years.

[CrippleH]

I wish Killzone 2 did this with 2 PS3 so I can get 1080p native.

I do have 2 PS3 and 1 360.

[Narutone66]

GT5 is my most anticipated PS3 game of all time. Can't wait for it to be release hopefully next year.

[Oner]

NP man, I just hope that the BS reports don't get it "failed"...

[Ju]

LOL. I saw that. Some people really reported that story. Unbelievable.

[andron]

It would be cool to see it live. A taste of the next generation consoles...

[Neo604]

this is a taste of the ps4.

[Avto]

I knew I would get another PS3 eventually, but three more was never planned, well it is now.

[Sjoeter]

Now THATS impressive ! Woow!

[donnie-2105]

allways tech demos(e3 2005 anyone) with the ps3 promises and hyperbole.when i see retail games with this amazing cell graphics ill believe it. long live Bill and the box! yes

[thereapersson]

THAT explains why my SXRD rear projection set (50A3000) has a better picture than most sets that are coming out now. Sony's SXRD optics technology is second to none, easily beating out DLP in the RPTV field.

*sigh*

If only Sony hadn't've stopped producing RPTV sets, most consumers would get the biggest bang for their collective buck around.

Also: lol @ the people who reported this story...

[Oner]

Nice to see another A3000 owner (I got me the 60" and absolutely LOVE IT!).

[cwir]

But where did you get 240 fps on 4x1080p ???

The article never said that!

There were 2 presentations: one showing 4x1080p using 4 PS3s and running at 60fps, the other one showing the demo running at 240fps on a 19-inch nano-Spindt FED screen using 4 PS3s. And the article explains how this was achieved:

"The frame rate of a single PS3 is 60fps, or 1/60 of a second, but by having four PS3’s draw an image four times within this 1/60 of a second, a frame rate of 1/240 of a second is made possible."

And it's not that FED screen speeds it up. It makes it possible at all. You couldn't get 240fps on a regular LCD or plasma because those simply can't display the images that fast. Displays don't just "display" picture. They have a display refresh rate etc.

[Ju]

Ah. I totally missed that. I was curious how they sync the signal. They actually interleave the rendering, too (not just draw the image 4x), but I was curious how they could sync in 1/240s. They don't. They guess up to 100ms and do a sync and start it over again. Cool idea, though.