The Dreams campaign is stylish but... is that it?

Robert Purchese: "I can't shake the feeling Art's Dream is a bit of a cop out. It's like Media Molecule saying, look, that's as far as we got (for whatever reason), you guys are going to have to do the rest. Viewed alone, as a piece of content someone made in Dreams, for Dreams, it's outstanding, but it is not the spine Dreams as a package needs. And that worries me."

[XxSPIDEYxX]

LMAO

[badz149]

The hate against Dreams begin. As it's getting tremendous reviews and is delivering on its promises, the bias media will try to find a way to crap on it just because it's a PS exclusive. F you Eurogamer, you POS bias site. I don't see you complaining about Mario Maker in your high praise for the game which is $60 but not even a quarter as powerful of a tools compared to Dreams and Dreams is only $40. While you're at it, go complain at Minecraft too because that "game" basically has no campaign whatsoever. WTF?

[Good-Smurf]

Without Digital Foundry they're dead simple as that.
They been on roll lately just recently blasted at Sonic The Hedgehog movie calling it "A charmless cut-and-paste job"

[frostypants]

This. Mario Maker is basically a watered down LittleBigPlanet. Good for what it is but not in the same universe as Dreams.

[fr0sty]

*MM creates their own genre, then recreates it with a groundbreaking game.*

Eurogamer: "It just... it lacks... something... I'm worried."

[SyntheticForm]

I may get some crap for this but I think they're just being British.

[Knushwood Butt]

^

Most British people wouldn't be, 'worried'.

[wwinterj]

if something is popular they will find a way to hate it. IF something is hated they will find a way to praise it. Why? They just want a hot take that gets them traffic. Best ignored.

[AK91]

Once again games journalism proving out of touch they are with the medium.

[bluefox755]

Par for the course these days. I don't believe that most of them are actual gamers.

[CrimsonWing69]

I don’t think most of them are journalists

[SyntheticForm]

It's not just being out of touch, it's that Eurogamer know what Dreams is about. They know what it's going for at its core, which is a creation tool.

Arguing that it doesn't have a campaign or what other games have is disingenuous. They know damn well what MM were going for in Dreams, and they're sticking their noses up at it anyway.

Also, Dreams is one of the finest tools of its type, easily rivaling the heck out of Mario Maker, Mario Paint, etc.

[Muzikguy]

Yes and from a site that has been doing that quite often

[Nacho_Z]

Like giving a football a bad review because you have to kick it yourself.

[1Victor]

Lol nacho comment got disagreed by America’s NFL players association

[frostypants]

This analogy is so perfect...

[nucky64]

LOL!

[Futureshark]

Amazing, he totally missed the point of the Dreams 'Campaign'. It's obviously a demo of what can be done with the tools available to inspire people of what can be achieved.
I always find it amusing to read when 'Journalists' are 'worried' about things, it usually leads to some clickbait b*llsh1t.

[jukins]

Did you even read it? Maybe read it again. This article is about what media molecule could or couldnt do with the tools. In the very first paragraph he acknowledges the the point of demoing what could be done with the tools but feels media molecule shouldve done more with the campaign.

Cant blame the journalists when cant even understand his point. For example look at little big planet each campaign showcased what could be done yet was good enough to be sold as a game on it's own boss battles different genres gameplay each with multiple worlds themes and such. The writer just feels media molecule shouldve and couldve done more.

[Ninver]

This is a case of "you'll never finish so release it". The amount on offering is far too vast for anyone to complain about "they could have done more?"

Ofcourse they could have done more. But that would also mean we would never get a release date.

[jjb1981]

Its not a campaign, bruh.

[hardcorehippiez]

You do realise that it was all made in dreams. MM have said that they will be supporting this for 10 years. They will be doing more just like everyone else and sharing and developing assets and games within the game universe.Show me one game that has launched with this much content. Seems to me that some journalists have no patience to let things develop before jumping in with there bullshit rhetoric . So in short no thats not it all, there will be more and anyone passing on this software is missing out . Simple as that.

[sushimama]

NO. He's FAKING concern just to have a topic to write about.

[ziggurcat]

"he acknowledges the the point of demoing what could be done with the tools but feels media molecule shouldve done more with the campaign."

It's not the campaign...

[frostypants]

What do they even mean by "that worries me"? What's gonna happen? It's such a dishonest, passive aggressive way to say "I don't like this". That's before getting into how dumb his complaint is in the first place.

Eurogamer seems to go out of their way to write contrarian clickbait nonsensical drivel. And you know what? This worries me...I am so, so worried...

[Vanfernal]

Judging a platform of endless possibilities in terms of community created content based on the "campaign"... That's like worrying about Photoshop saying the tutorials don't do full artworks. You are missing the point...

[Fluttershy77]

Yeah but this is not photoshop, it's a game and as a journalist you might want to let people know is not like other games, you could be distracted or just a moron and expect the campaign to be longer

[Juusterey]

It's what they call a comparison

[frostypants]

No, it's not a game. It's a toolkit for making games. The included demo game is a bonus. Are people really not grasping this or is it willful dishonesty?

The Photoshop analogy is 100% on point.

[rainslacker]

Letting people know what it's about, and being worried because the campaign is not like what you have in other games are two very different things.

Dreams will be as good or bad as the content that gets created for it. The important part about reviewing it is to acknolwedge that it's not a traditional game, and that the content is going to be dependent on the community, but then review the tools available for those that want to create and how easy it is to share such creations, and the ease of use by which people can get content created by others.

The campaign is more of a side note to say it's there, and that it's really just a way to demonstrate the kinds of things that can be done in dreams. Nothing to be concerned about.

Some versions of Unreal Engine or Unity came with small game demos, and never once have I seen those engines be reviewed based on said demo, or any concern being relayed because of it.

[Muzikguy]

Could we assume this journalist a moron then? The fake concern over a "campaign" is unwarranted. These types of articles can have merit at times but not like this. The game has been developed this entire generation. People should know what it's about. If the "concern" is that people won't then review it like you should and tell us. Don't complain because of stuff like this

[remixx116]

What worries you? What was your point exactly? I don't understand your concerns at all.

[THC CELL]

Robert Purchese quit gaming

[sin7279]

Clickbait bul...!

[monkey602]

Eurogamer are really trying to go against the grain here ay?

[RazzerRedux]

" It's like Media Molecule saying, look, that's as far as we got (for whatever reason), you guys are going to have to do the rest."

crap.....if only Media Molecule gave us the ability to do just that.....wait a minute, isn't that the point?

[Juusterey]

I haven't played it or even heard much in years
but ins't it more about the community created content and not the campaign?

[CrimsonWing69]

I mean, aside from being a powerful/robust creative tool?

[sprinterboy]

Eurogamer is really going down hill lately.

[mynameisthumper]

So I'm not the best at this type of game, but... isn't this the point? It's a creation tool, designed to let you make whatever you want however you want. Having a campaign that provides a basic tutorial is all that it needs as it's true value is determined by what the player is willing to put in.

Also, isn't this basically just what LBP's tutorial was like?

I'm totally gonna get it and try really hard to make some cool things, even if I'm not so great with this stuff. I can't wait to see what other players make too! :D

[jukins]

No little big planet, all three of them even the one made by sumo, had a "full" campaign multiple worlds each with multiple stages with an overlying story narrated by Stephen fry. It showcased the tools what could be done but was also a very good platformer on it's own.

That's what the author is getting at just that media molecule shouldve done more especially with the time theyve had. Almost 10 years I think. I havent played it myself gotta wait for the wife to wake up and give it to me for valentines day, but I hoped it would have a lengthy campaign since I'm not really into the creating just playing.

[r2oB]

I think the article is nonsense. Of course Media Molecule could have made something more “substantial” than Art’s Dream, but being “substantial” isn’t the point of Art’s Dream. The point is to give the user a small glimpse of what’s possible in Dreams and to spark their imagination. This is why it’s not a basic tutorial, but also why it’s not a “full fledge campaign” within the game. Dreams isn’t about what Media Molecule can create for us, it’s about what we can create for ourselves and others (for those that would rather indulge than create).

I also don’t think you understand the scope of Dreams, judging by the way you compare it to LBP. IGN has a pretty good video called “How Dreams became a YouTube for everything”. I would recommend both you and the author of the article to watch it.

[Fluttershy77]

This is not little big planet! This is not a platformer either, you can make your own platformers and play other people platformers with many many other genres

[RazzerRedux]

@shaggy2303

"Finally, someone gets the point of the article "

No.....the article misses the point just as much as you do. The amount of content that is going to come forth from Dreams is going to be massive and you are so ready to nitpick because the opening "glimpse" of what it can do isn't a full-fledge campaign. Narrow-minded thinking. No one is buying Dreams for the "campaign".

" because its a Sony exclusive."

That works both ways. You wouldn't be here defending the article if this weren't a Sony exclusive.

[Vanfernal]

This is not Little Big Planet.... Little Big Planet was a platforming game that gave you tools for user created content but at its heart it was always a platformer. Dreams is basically a creation engine where you can make whatever you want. It's not a "game" but a platform to make art (games, music, short films, sculptures, etc.). This "journalist" completely missed the point and went in expecting a "campaign" in the traditional sense of the word and came out disappointed. That's on him for not doing his research.

[CuVe]

Its so funny to see xbox fanboys struggle... Keep it up! Pathetic bunch.

[Chevalier]

Little Big Planet were full priced $60 games so expecting some decent length gameplay is to be expected. But Dreams is far more than that and it's only $39.99, how much longer should this so called campaign be even? A short campaign or story mode and the set of tools to fuel people's imaginations for $39.99 and the amount of support and content will grow too so not sure how it's a bad deal here.

LBP was a platformer with tools to make more, Dreams isn't a platformer, but, a set of tools to make anything you can imagine. It would be like if I complained about how the campaign didn't teach me how to make an FPS or a driving simulator or any missing genre, that would be stupid to say the least.

[jukins]

Wow did you guys even play little big planet? There was more than platforming. And again the point of little big planet just like dreams is to play create share. But still they were able to have a fully fledged campaign out of the box and even the dlc had campaign metal gear lbp anyone?

Put your fanboy biases aside and just listen to what the author is saying and not your emotions. He just wanted more from the developers themselves like a little more to inspire the creators. Playing through lbp campaigns inspired me to attempt to create. So far my playthrough of dreams is interesting but somewhat shallow

[Ninver]

No get lost. Next question.

[Bathyj]

This game could have released with no campaign what'so ever, I still would have bought it.

[generic-user-name]

The campaign is literally just to give a hint at what can be achieved and give inspiration. It says as much in the intro. They need not have included anything at all, the tools and user made stuff is more than enough.

[Chevalier]

Next people will complain that they bought a canvas and paint with sample paintings, but, now the art won't paint itself on the canvas. Just dumb complaints all round.

[jjb1981]

This game is about community-driven content. I never finished a LBP campaign and that was a full platformer on its own. I always checked in to see what kind of awesome stuff the community has made. Dreams also has a $40 price tag and was $30 at early access. The value is incredible. Edith Finch (great story) is $20 and Art's Dream is a fraction of the limitles array of possibilities that we'll get to play over the years for $40. There are already so many cool creations and for the people that haven't even played it, just give it a chance. Art's dream is amazing but shouldn't be considered a 'campaign'. It is just an example of what can be done with the toolset. That is all.

[drunkenspy007]

How do idiots like this still get anything published?

[Good-Smurf]

Sounds like another one of those stupid concern piece that just there to keep the site's traffic up lowest of the low tactics from digital journalist.
And the guy's consider to review the game...good luck with that.

[ShadowWolf712]

Ah, Eurogamer.

I'm shocked.

[Elda]

Just picked up my copy.

[mkis007]

This game isnt about any prepackaged campaign. Its a genre like it or not; creation itself is the game.

[DrShoe]

Games urinalists are truly the worst.

[Larrysweet]

dreams isnt abought a campaign it's a game engine basically to create

[GaboonViper]

My cat would make a better journalist then these so called ones.

[sushimama]

"And that worries me" .. spare me your FAKE concern. Act concerned, so you can find a topic to write about. Get off

[frostypants]

It's a proof of concept campaign. They didn't have to include one at all. Silly article.

[SolidGamerX]

"this is just a glimpse, remember? It's not a whole game. Someone else will have to do that."

So you guys were the only people in the world not aware this was a game creation tool?

[knickstr]

Just waiting for that one random outlet to give it a 3 out of 10. You know it's coming.

[Weapon_of_choice]

The autor lags creativity and sounds a bit like a bore

[MasterCornholio]

Don't forget to check out this Digital Foundry article if your interested in the tech.

https://n4g.com/news/232582...

I think what will make or break the game are the creations that people will produce for it. But from what I've read it seems like there's plenty of I interesting experiences already made for it.

Here's a nice collection of videos if you want to see what people are making with this game.

https://www.neogaf.com/thre...

[TheHateTheyGive]

Oh pc players and xbox players if you really want a game like dreams ask uncle phil to create one, im sure they can make some cheap unreal 4 knockoff. Nut, now we will get spammed with articles burying this great game. So sad

[Chevalier]

It's kind of ironic that this actually could have been an Xbox studio if they had any foresight. Media Molecule was created by ex Lionhead members after all.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

[Chumdiddy]

Yes, that's all there is. In fact, send me your copy as the only thing you can do with it is play the 2-3hr game and nothing else.

It definitely isn't an awesome game engine in and of itself. Go ahead, send me your copy.

[Master of Unlocking]

That's my feeling too. I'm still hellbent on getting Dreams, but when you spend the whole generation developping a game, your fans have the right to expect you to deliver, not only the tools, but a fully-fledged story mode (or better yet, several story modes) that will make friends want to play together and explore all the hidden stuff you've implemented in it, a bit like the story mode of LBP... which came out over 10 years ago.

[zeuanimals]

Uhh.. Tell me when has a studio ever delivered the tools like Mm have? And they've packaged a super in depth digital audio workstation, a movie editor, etc. all into a $60 game. You'd be paying $1000s for all of that elsewhere. But oh no, it doesn't have a super long campaign so it's worthless! What an idiot.

[Chevalier]

" depth digital audio workstation, a movie editor, etc. all into a $60 game. "

It's actually only $40. Plus it's going to get new content updates. They're giving us a VR set of tools next

[jukins]

Come on lol the game has some depth but please dont compare it to real audio video or programming software.

[P_Bomb]

Was it supposed to be more? It’s like...the game’s called Witcher 3. Not Gwent 3.

"I can't shake the feeling Art's Dream is a bit of a cop out.”

Minecraft doesn’t even have a story. Unless you count Telltale’s ‘Minecraft: story mode’ that was sold separately, episodically and with three DLC chapters sold extra separately to that. Forest from the trees.

[jznrpg]

I wasn’t expecting any sort of campaign, just some pop up hints and such .

[PCgamer98]

Lol eurogamer the ms shills.

[Profchaos]

Dreams isn't a game it's a creativity suite the campaign is merely saying here's some cools stuff we there's together but the main point of the game is to give creative people a platform and non creative people a way to play everyone's work

[zeuanimals]

Or for non-creatives to try their hand at it. Once you get over the barrier of learning the tools, creation becomes such a natural, quick, and forgiving process due to how flexible the tools are.

[Profchaos]

I wish I could I tried pretty hard with LBP but my ideas seemed to never come together

[zeuanimals]

Keep trying. Once the tools click and become something like second nature, you can just throw some elements together and see where the tools take you. It could be something really rough but nothing's ever really done in Dreams. What I really like is that if I do reach a creative block, I can normally get over it by changing some values here and there and that can do very little to a sculpture, or change it entirely. A lot of the time, it changes the sculptures into something else that I like the look of and I go from there.