PlayStation 5 Only Exclusives Could be a Big Advantage Early On

Gamerheadquarters; "While the Xbox Series X will be lacking in next generation only first party games, the Playstation 5 will be having some games that are just for that console early on. This could be a big advantage for the PS5, as those titles will fully embrace the extra power of that console."

[Tross]

Yeah, no doubt.

[YEP414]

Idk to me new console generations it takes 2 to 3 years for developers to really develop the power of the new systems...
only time a system had me drooling 🤤 on day 1 is Dreamcast and Xbox, Xbox360 sort of and ps2
Dreamcast killed everything

[The Wood]

So when should they start? . . . . Growth happens over time but don't you think it's best to start asap. It's almost like you're saying nothing good can come during the early years.

[Nasdac]

yes it is, that's why developers having development kits early on.. Especially the first party studios.

[Shapeshifter75]

I agree that it takes several years for developers to fully optimize the power of a console. But the earlier you start...the better dev's hit the ground running. That is what Guerilla Games did with KZ Shadowfall. If I am not mistaken, that was the first iteration of the Decima engine that was further built upon for Horizon Zero Dawn and later Death Stranding at the end of the PS4's life cycle. KZ Shadowfall was not cross-gen with PS3.

[sampsonon]

I don't know. I think the X one's best games came out within the first two yrs.

[zackeroniii]

ummmm...try again.

[Unspoken]

It used to take time to leverage the full power of a console, toward the end of the life cycle even. Now that an "exclusive" game is coming out on a console it will be optimized to the fullest extent day one. The Sony fanboys have to keep the forcefield in place due the fact the PS5 is going to be inferior in power and their delusions are about to be shattered. They have gripped down as hard as possible on the last remaining self soothing confirmation of the belief in their mesh of plastic and silicon that Sony will save them.

[b163o1]

I love how M$ are basically shooting themselves in the foot. New console old games, nothing new until maybe a year and a half after the release of SeriesX. Giving customers a reason NOT to upgrade; why don't they just drop the new console in 2022? I'm sure Xbone will be holding SeriesX back....

[neutralgamer1992]

Yep

It's about market share. If Sony or any company can convince the masses the of device is must have than that in itself is success

[gamer7804]

It does take at least a year or two, games are. Written to scale now so exclusivity within a platform holder doesn’t really matter, people will still act like it does though. It’s pretty smart on MS part , make a lore powerful console and even games spanning console generations will still look top tier for their time

[Rude-ro]

What does that even mean?
Microsoft just went 8 years without making a new AAA ip...
At this point, you buy the console that has a history of support..
Waiting in the beginning of a gen is one thing.. a gen and a half is a whole other ballgame.
Cool, some like third party “made in America”(while technically not made in America) games with subscriptions and pay to play free to play games..
but Microsoft has been so bad that there is no longer anything to debate or goal post move.

[S2Killinit]

I want exclusives right from the get go. The games coming out during the beginning might not be on par with later ones but the whole excitement of a new console generation is the possibilities and exclusives are a big part of it.

[froy402]

@yep
Trust me you will notice the huge difference between next gen and current, especially if they end up with 10+ teraflops. Think about it, this gen started games with less than 2TF and even though the pro came out it was mostly just for performance because they wouldn't alienate the og ps4, so games from the start of the gen up until now have been made with the base console (og ps4) in mind. Now think about next gen ps5 where games are going to be made with base teraflops of about around 9 to 12tf in which games will be way more advanced and that's just me talking about computing power without even mentioning all the extra features it will have including raytracing, ssd, 3d audio, advanced haptic feedback and all the other features we still don't know about.

[UltraNova]

If recent rumours wanting the Series X being more powerful than the PS5 are true then Sony will have the advantage day 1 (in visuals etc) since their ps5 exclusives will be true next gen games and anything MS releases on the XSX will be held back to its core by the Xb1 ancient tech.

I don't know why people refuse to see this.

[Good-Smurf]

Uncharted Drake's Fortune certainly takes advantage of PS3 hardware despite ND had a hard time with PS3 hardware,it certainly not possible on PS2.

[thejigisup]

I woupd have agreed with this statement 15 years ago but not now. The x86 architecture certainly helps with scalability. We should start seeing massive gains earlier on as the consoles are closer to the PC's they are being developed on.

[RpgSama]

They will show a really big gap early on, specially on AI and Physics based gameplay. When you will have a built from the ground up exclusive by Sony on the PS5 going against an upgraded for next gen Xbox game, the difference will show not necessarily in graphics and framerate but on a lot of other things.

This approach will only benefit Sony throughout the whole generation because development wise the Sony teams will always have a 1 to 2 years head start in getting to know and maximizing the hardware.

P.s: And this is bringing back not only the consoles but also PC, because most if not all developers need to take into account the Jaguar Infrastructure of current gen consoles when developing a game that will come out in PC if they plan to release over here.

[starchild]

You wanna bet? Why would this happen this generation when it never happened before? Games on PC will continue to look and run better. Some of you don't seem to understand that almost every single element, from physics to AI to graphics, is scalable. Just because a game is made for a single hardware configuration doesn't mean that it is going to look better than a game that scales on different hardware.

[frostypants]

Well said. Jaguar is the elephant in the room. Developing a game to be able to run on that, even acknowledging diminished settings, will 100% certainly skew broader design decisions for AAA-level titles.

[frostypants]

@starchild are you joking? The PC crowd has been complaining about console portability holding back PC potential for ages now. Seriously, where've you been?

[xenz]

@Starchild, AI and physics are not scalable. You are thinking about more debris etc, but thats not the same. Complexity of the physics code is still the same. PS5 only exclusives will be able to run more complex AI and physics calculation.

[Muzikguy]

It will most definitely be. Sony is going to have such a big head start this next gen.

[CaptainHenry916]

Microsoft put it on themselves. Oh well it is what it is

[rainslacker]

Early on? Haven't they been Sony's big advantage all gen? Why would next gen be any different?

[frostypants]

The people who have allowed themselves to be fooled into thinking that NOT having launch exclusives is a good thing are the kinds of people who could be convinced to buy ice cubes in Antarctica. I can't fathom being so willingly gullible.

[CaptainObvious878]

The damage control and brain dead logical arguments from ms apologists here is really something to behold.

[sibyl1]

It's the main reason we even have generations. I can't wait to see what creative people can do with Zen and SSD's that are 2000x faster than HDD.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Do PCs have generations?

[sibyl1]

I thought we were talking about consoles...

No, that's why they are held back by old hardware.

[zackeroniii]

we're not talking about PC's here are we now? We're talking about home consoles.

we know where your loyalty lies...but stop being ignorant.

[tontontam0]

No, That is also the reaaon why you can only see the full potential on tech demos and never in actual games.

[Unspoken]

PCs typically are held back by consoles, very true, though the consoles themselves are iterations of PC hardware now more than ever. It's why console necessitate the need to have a generational leap in hardware tech. Once the devs extract as much as possible they can no longer put in additional options as they do in PC, where we have the ability to upgrade.

[nucky64]

no. just expensive upgrades that happen more frequently than new console gens.

[Fluttershy77]

Come on that is such a silly thing to say

[Thundercat77]

We are talking about consoles in case you didn't notice.

[r2oB]

Technically yes, they do have generations. They are just not as defined as console generations. PC games have minimum requirements, which is similar in that the old hardware can no longer play the new games. So if you want to keep playing newer games you have to buy newer hardware, like console gamers have to buy the newer consoles.

If you have a PC that can only play games from 2013 because it doesn't meet the minimum requirements of newer games, guess what, you have an older gen PC.

Consoles leap into newer generations (typically 5 or more years between them), where as PCs take steps into newer generations (typically upgrading components every 2-3 years or so).

So to reiterate, yes, PCs have generations because the principle is the same as console generations. You are buying completely new, upgraded components to run newer games. PC gamers just built it themselves usually (either piece by piece or completely), where as console gamers buy the machines already manufactured.

[F0XH0UND922]

Do you even think about shit before you type it? Dear lord man, your squirming and damage control is level 99.

[XBManiac]

Software + hardware generations... when a DirectX or OpenGL/Vulkan main version gets full compatibility on hardware, we can speak of a new gen. Example: It happened when pixel and vertex shaders become "the same" for the pipeline (starting with Xbox 360 launch... curious).
This year, it is turn of Ray Tracing/3D Audio, as AMD, NVIDIA and Intel will have it implemented in hardware with full support for gaming and DirectX/Vulkan will be able to use it with no many compromises.

[The Wood]

This is the way

[Dovergamer]

Without any single doubt.

[chrisx]

I have spoken.

[ziggurcat]

Every time they said that line, it reminded me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[MajorLazer]

Yep. Planning to get the PS5 during launch so I want to see games built just for the PS5.

[MasterCornholio]

If they do end up looking like they are a generation ahead they might.

[rainslacker]

If Sony does have something that shows a true generational difference, especially in more than just graphics, then it's really going to hurt MS. If people see what next gen can offer in terms of game design, then maybe they'll understand why what MS is doing isn't a good thing...at least in principal, because it may be perfectly fine if MS isn't bothering to make next gen games right now. All those studios they brought, and MS has basically said they're finally getting around to making current gen games.

[MasterCornholio]

It's like when Sony released Killzone Shadow Fall and Infamous Second Son that showed off some of the things that only the PS4 was capable of. That's why I'm excited for next gen exclusives because sometimes they show off features that are not possible in the current gen.

[waverider]

Just imagined what ND, Insomniac, GG, Suckerpunch and others will be able to do with the end of the piece of crap Jag CPU and super fast traverse with SSD. Without any chains in the creation of the next gen game!.

[mandingo]

Imagine what 343 the coalition ninja theory and playground games can do too

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Apparently he thinks they'll be making 480p Xbox games, and it'll be impossible to crank up the Series X.

[zackeroniii]

i upvoted because i thought it was a stealth troll...then i realised you were probably being serious and actually believe that rubbish..

downvoted.

[mandingo]

Ah yes downvoted for no reason

[Muzikguy]

@yulemni

It's crazy isn't it? Same group.pronanly calling all these Sony fans "blind fanboys" or whatever else are constantly believing lies that MS tell them. When this last gen started it was "cloud this" "cloud that" everywhere. Now there's not even a whisper.

[RpgSama]

@Yulemni

"Why is it so hard for you to understand there is a difference between graphical scaling and using the hardware for things that weren't possible before."

10000000000% this!!!!

"Are you guys dumb or are you purposely ignoring what everyone including people from the industry are saying?"

I can only imagine the type of things they would be saying if the situation reversed itself and was actually Sony the one having this approach instead of MS, we would never hear the end of it, but they follow blindly whatever the big MS tells them to believe

[rainslacker]

Guess we'll find out in 4-5 years when they finally start delivering games tailored to next gen systems, instead of designing games that can be run on current gen hardware.

Kind of like the cloud all over again. All this furor about how great it is, but it'll take so long for them to do anything with it that it'll be irrelevant for the generation by the time they deliver.

[waverider]

I hope they can make something new and cool. Microsoft need new franchises that make gamers want to buy their games and consoles,

[TKCMuzzer]

Maybe but by the sounds of it we won't find out for at least three years, that's the point.

@Guilty, sort yourself out, cranking it up isn't the issue. If you design for the next gen consoles from the ground up, you design with the new SSD etc in mind, you design bigger worlds, faster travel, that becomes the foundation of design. The trouble is the MS devs can not do that, they have design games with the Xbox One S as the start point, so the worlds will be limited in size. You can't just make a bigger world for series X otherwise its not the same game across machines.
This is not about the power of the consoles, or the quality of the devs, its about the restrictions being implemented which stifle the ground work of design.
If the foundation is limited, you can only build so high, so stop being ignorant to the issue in hand, Microsoft are technically throttling the series X for two years.

[MadLad]

@mandingo

"i upvoted because i thought it was a stealth troll...then i realised you were probably being serious and actually believe that rubbish..

downvoted."

This is why I can't stand n4g at times. Comments like this that get promoted. According to this mindset that is apparently shared by the N4G community, quality developers like the ones you mentioned won't also be putting out much more visually powerful content, now that they have access to far more powerful hardware.

Green man bad.
Blue man good.

Remember though, despite being a more popular platform, and having more award winning games under its belt, there's always an anti-Sony narrative being had within the journalism industry, and N4G is by no means biased; according to N4G.

[RazzerRedux]

"N4G articles are promoting Microsoft"
"N4G is biased towards Sony"

Ironically, both of these are true "according to N4G". Hmmm, how does N4G have both of these opinions? Answer is it doesn't. N4G isn't a shared "mindset". This isn't the Borg collective.

[jbull]

@Yulemni These Xbox fanboys after getting completely screwed by Microsoft this gen and believing lies about "power of the cloud" are still blindly defending them not giving proper exclusives to a potential $500 console.
Its like they suffer from battered wife syndrome, no matter how bad it gets they still come back for more "it will be different this time" LOL

[leejohnson222]

The narrative and spin being created on YouTube channels is truly astonishing, even for the zealots
They literally can't say a bad word about ms, they could piss on their parents on Christmas day and they would defend it. Talk about worshipping a corporation

[jbull]

Exactly, PS5 consumers are rewarded for switching next gen with exclusives fully optimized for that console. The problem I have with Xbox is that series X will be powerful but exclusives will still have to be designed around the weakest console Xbox one, sure you will have better frame-rates, draw distance etc in series X but what about AI, physics etc? stifling innovation.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Gears 5 was fully optimized for the X.

[jbull]

Gears 5 is a current game game, what I'm talking about is a year from now like Halo 6 compromises would have to be made as it will release on Xbox one and series X which will be a vastly more powerful console with SSD.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

And what I'm saying there was no proof the Coalition downgrades the X version of Gears 5. None whatsoever.

[jbull]

Next gen is more than just graphical scale settings, have a long think about it. With SSD hard drives open wold games have more serious potential with larger scale battles, more NPC'S on screen etc that's not possible on current gen systems then you have physics and better AI as well.
Microsoft are putting restraints on their developers in the exclusives department, could you imagine Bethesda or Rockstar trying to compromise and make an Elder Scrolls or GTA for current and next gen systems, the games would be lose out out in many areas with just the difference being upgraded graphics between systems.

[TKCMuzzer]

How many times, Gears 5 resolution was bumped up and the frame rate more steady but its the same game as on Xbox One. The AI, the world everything else is the same, there is no design elements for the Xbox One X version that are not the Xbox One Version. If they release Gears 5 on series X it will just have a higher res and more steady frame rate but everything else will be the same.......why?........because it was designed with the Xbox One in mind...this is the point you are not understanding.

[Muzikguy]

I don't understand why so many aren't grasping this concept. PS4 has 8GB of RAM while the PS3 had just 256MB. It wouldn't just be the same game scaled down to work on the PS3. So much would be lost. Then there are those trying to claim what's on the PS4 could be done on PS3. 😂😂 Definitely not making games themselves.

[Imalwaysright]

A Wii u game: BoTW shits from a great height on any Xbox/PS4 exclusive game in terms of physics and interactivity. Hell the original Crysis, a game that was released more than a decade above shits on most current gen games in terms of physics and interactivity. Over the years there has been a significant downgrade in everything physics related and that's because most gamers are jaded with graphical fidelity. Insomniac stopped making 60 fps games because graphical fidelity was directly linked with better reviews and sales and those were they own words. ND devs said that playing TloU at 30 fps after playing it at 60 fps "felt broken" and yet Uncharted 4 doesn't run at 60 fps because they would have to severely downgrade its graphical fidelity.

I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see next gen being any different than the current one wich was basically an extension of the PS3/360 era. Most devs will still prioritize graphical fidelity above all else and push it at the expense of framerates, physics, AI and interactivity not because they want to but because graphical fidelity makes them more money.

[mandingo]

Do you really believe the words coming out of your mouth hahahha. Sony fans run this site it’s sad

[Lexreborn2]

Doesn’t matter to me, if I want the PS5 I’m going to get the PS5. My biggest concern for the next consoles is BC for my current games. I left a lot of games unfinished from 360/ps3 days and I don’t want to repeat that trend anymore.

That’s why I started buying most all of my 3rd party games on PC. But, if they get BC right for me I could care less about forward thinking games because naturally if I want them... I will buy them.

[Dovergamer]

Exclusives are exactly the best attribute the PS5 will have. These shows what the system can do and what game design is possible with the new technology. Sony will continue with their winning formula. It worked for the PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4 and it will work again with the PS5.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

What Microsoft games will be on PS5?

[MasterCornholio]

What does that have to do with Sony 1st party studios pushing the PS5?

Sony consistently sets higher standards for games on their platform which is why I believe the same will happen on the PS5 regardless of what the competition does.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Why wouldn't Microsoft developers push the series X?

Gears 5 looks significantly better on the Xbox One X than the Xbox One. The leap is gigantic.

You have no proof they won't push anything.

[mandingo]

Minecraft

[Elda]

Hopefully none. PS5 doesn't need them.

[Chevalier]

" What Microsoft games will be on PS5?"

Minecraft and Minecraft Dungeons most likely.

[rainslacker]

MS isn't even pushing the X1X to its limits. How do you expect them to push the XSX when the paradigm is the exact same thing as the mid gens have now? Trust me, the X1X is capable of a hell of a lot more than just prettier graphics.

What...4K/60 is ground breaking and a show of pushing the envelope? Is that really the only expectation you have for the advancement of gaming? that's really all you want for the next 5-7 years? Don't you have that now? Hell, a 3rd party game has shown more of what the X1X can do than MS has delivered....and they did that in the first few months of the X1X release. MS has yet to surpass RDR2 on technical and graphical achievement, and no game they've shown so far has shown they will anytime soon.

Are you really that easily satisfied?

[MasterCornholio]

@343

"You have no proof they won't push anything."

Your the one saying that not me. I was specifically talking about Sony 1st party studios and how they push the console.

You were the one who brought Microsoft into the conversation not me.

Heck reading through Dovers comment again he wasn't talking about Xbox then you dragged Microsoft into the conversation.

[ShadowWolf712]

You're once again arguing visuals and visuals alone.

Game development is about much more than that. AI improvements, physics enhancement, world density, being able to open things up for players more.

One of the things they were planning for Horizon, for example, was being able to hack and ride the Stormbirds. They had to scrap it, however, due to the limitations of the PS4's CPU and hard drive, it couldn't render what they needed at the speeds necessary. Now imagine this was going to be a cross-gen title out this year. On PS5 hardware, they could implement such a feature. But unless you want to strip the feature from the PS4 version and only have it in the PS5 version, you would have to design around the PS4 and keep that feature out of the PS5's. Sure, the PS5 version will still look and run much better, but it's held back, by default, by the old hardware.

You getting it yet? It's about much more than graphical fidelity and optimization.

[TKCMuzzer]

I've worked it out, you ignorance is so high you even blinded yourself by it. Do you log in as someone else and like your own comments?

[AnubisG]

Not could be. It WILL be. MS has shot itself in the foot. They think that consoles are PCs. They just don't understand the console business and it shows. Both Nintendo and Sony are doing amazigly and it is because of their exclusives.

I said it before; Xbox is done. This is their last generstion and after that the xbox brand will be a virtual console that you can download on your PC or smart TV.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"They think that consoles are PCs" MS CLEARLY didn't say that of any fashion. As soon as I read that, I had no interest in reading the rest of your brain dead comment. Well Comments like yours are typical anyway. Always Devoid of thought or facts.

[AnubisG]

I never said that they stated it have I? Maybe learn to read before calling someone brain dead?

I said that they are treating the Xbox brand as they would a PC. After all MS owns Windows and the biggest gaming platform is in fact Windows so I'm pretty sure that is where they get their ideas from for the Xbox.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Assumption? Yeah the wrong assumption. Elementary school yeah comin from someone who thinks this is their last console. Everyone said that in 2013 and yet they're still here. So when will it be their "last console" that's elementary way of thinking.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Yes you did. You said "They think that consoles are PCs." That's what you wrote and no MS didn't say that. They said "sorta like PC" taking cues from PC not MS think consoles are PC's. Only now are you trying to correct yourself now that you messed up.

[AnubisG]

You need a lesson on comprehension.

When I say that "they think" indicates that I make an assumption based on certain facts.

When I say "they said" I state quote by a certain individual.

I never said they said. You need to go back to elementary school.

[outsider1624]

"You said "They think that consoles are PCs." That's what you wrote and no MS didn't say that"
Sorry to butt in but i just want to point out that "think" and "say" are totally different.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Do do ppl really expect to see Sony releasing AAA 1st party on day one at launch though? I'm seeing AA games with 3rd party exclusives at launch. It's hard to tell exactly exactly what they'll have at launch but I'm having a hard time seeing a ton of 1st party at launch.

[AnubisG]

Read your own comment over before you post and call others brain dead. "Do do" "exactly exactly".

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Or how bout you not worry about Typos on a glitch cell phone and answer the question?

That's what I thought you can't.

[HannibalLecter]

Spinning so hard that they are starting to stutter. Nothing more. Ahahahaha

[Elda]

LOL!! I'm guilty of this as well when I'm typing fast.

[sibyl1]

Yes, Sony has never released a console without launch games. This is a dumb question.

And it's even more silly when you consider that they apparently have at least TWO YEARS head start to release games that take advantage of the new hardware.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Yeah they'll have exclusives we all know that. That's the point of my comment but 1st party may be a little scarce at launch for obvious reasons. what will you think Sony will launch with? It's a discussion after all.

[HannibalLecter]

Why are things so hard for you to believe when it comes to PlayStation?
Have they not delivered constantly and consistently?
While you guys and gals have been eagerly eating up anything and everything that the xbox folks have PR puffed and blown your way in the form of cloud hopes and dreams for an entire generation, but yeah go ahead keep questioning the ones that have actually been delivering. Sounds logical and very thought out. Keep spinning that spin though lol.
After an entire generation though you would think most of you would be tired of being dizzy by now..

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Yeah, you still didn't answer my question. I'll answer it I think AAA 3rd party exclusives and AA games. Am I right or wrong? It's not bad at all everyone here makes it sound like they're gonna have the most amazing game line up of all time. Maybe they will who knows this is Sony we're talkin about

[Reiunit1]

Horizon Zero Dawn 2

[TKCMuzzer]

Wow, you have managed to get about 6 likes in 6 comments, that must be a record low, it's almost as if the same person is liking each one.........aah that's what 343_Guilty is doing ;)

[sampsonon]

early on? lol, you mean the whole next gen. "early on" funny :)

[Ninjamonkey82]

Old saying goes Put one's best foot forward, xbox are taking a step back imo. Surely you can't launch a new console with no exclusives.

[starchild]

They do have console exclusives though, and in the console market that's really what matters.

The fact that their games can run on multiple Xbox consoles doesn't make them any worse as exclusives. Just as PC exclusives can run on a range of PC hardware configurations doesn't mean they aren't PC exclusives.

[Ninjamonkey82]

Thats not the point, I'm Im a multiformat gamer and I like the backward compatibility as much as the next. But heres the stickler a new gen is ment to showcase not only hardware, but what you have new you bring to the table. Thats not gonna be the case with xbox s x. May aswell hold on to the previous console cause every game will be scaled from there but still playable. Hell i'll probably still get one with the Ps5 but that issue is enough to put off people who are not collecting.

[outsider1624]

And according to xbox fanboys, that's a good thing. It's better for gamers.
But Sony not showing up for e3 is bad for gamers.
You can't make this shit up.

[timotim]

The games being exclusive or not will have no consequence on the matter. It's the quality of the games that will matter and determines how gamers view the console.

If PS5 launches with 3 exclusive games that are sub par, and SX launches with a kick ass Halo Infinite...you really think people are going to turn away the SX just because PS5 has 3 inferior games as an example?

Since we have no idea what either of these launch lineups look like at this time, it's pointless to say what games will give any an advantage.

[HannibalLecter]

What if though. What if the imaginary scenario you came up with was completely opposite of what you came up with. What if Ps5 had 3 phenomenally amazing games and xbox came with a cross gen title only. See you can twist it anyway you want to.
I'd say more faith is in the company whom have been constantly delivering instead of continuing to wait for the ones whom haven't to actually deliver finally..

[timotim]

Thats possible too. Ultimately, what I'm saying is we wont know that until we learn more of the actual launch lineup of games for both platforms. That will tell us more than anything who has an advantage.

Just because something is exclusive doesn't mean it will be something that couldn't be done on previous generation. Example...Knack was a launch title for PS4...nothing about it was particularly impressive from a "next generation" aspect. The game could have been released on PS3 as well...in fact, it looked very much like a PS3 game at the time. The game is rated a 54 on meta, yet the game was an exclusive launch title. The game didnt take advantage of any aspect of PS4 at launch in any meaningful way. Do you understand now? Exclusivity doesn't ensure quality, nor does it ensure that a game is taking advantage of the full system's capability.

Halo Infinite COULD (not claiming it will) technically be more impressive than anything PS5 has to offer on #DayOne even though the game will also be available for previous gen consoles. Yes, this is just a scenario, but a scenario that we wont know if true or not until we learn more of the launch lineup of both. Until then...ALL OF THIS is just speculation.

[Atticus_finch]

Your assumptions are dreams at best. So you think Sony's games will be subpar and Xbox will finally not be. Hope harder.

[timotim]

Clearly some of you guys have comprehension problems. The scenario I gave is not what I wish to be the case...it was simply given for argument sake. Everything said in this thread is nothing but a scenario of sorts because we dont actually know anything about either platform's launch lineup outside a game or two. ALL of this is speculation. We dont even know Sony's position on their own games for launch yet haha. Im sure Ghost of Tuishima will see some kind of update for PS5's launch...same for TLoU2. We know of Godfall already whos own "in-engine" trailer showed that it could be done on previous gen hardware already. But without knowing the full launch line up, we cant say anything one way or the other. Its that launch line up that will prove who got what right and who got what wrong.

[SolidGamerX]

Pretty safe bet PS5 wont launch with 3 "sub par" games. You really think people are going to go out and spend a bunch of money on series X to play Halo infinite when they can play it on the xbox they already own since its in the eco-system?

[timotim]

Well...we can look at history for some answers to that question. I can tell with 100% certainly that its not a guarantee for these PS5 exclusive launch titles to all be awesome either.

We can look at what exclusive games PS4 launched with and see what they did, and see how well they were rated...
Knack - 54 rating.
Took absolutely zero advantage of PS4's hardware outside of some visual flair. Was by and large considered an average game.
https://www.metacritic.com/...

Resogun - 84
An indie style game meant to be PS4's answer to Geo Wars. Took advantage of some PS4's physics capability but was actually ported to other platforms, including Vita where it was pretty much the same game with some downgrades.
https://www.metacritic.com/...

Killzone: Shadowfall - 73
One of the most visually impressive titles of 2013 and absolutely the most impressive of PS4's launch lineup. Was the lowest rated Killzone since the first and came no where near that of the best in the series, Kilzone 2 in gameplay or design. Outside of visuals, it didnt really take advantage of PS4's or "next gen" capability. From a design standpoint, it was a run of the mill FPS.
https://www.metacritic.com/...

Forgive me, but thats all the launch exclusives I can remember for PS4...if there are others I do apologies in advance. However these were the exclusives for PS4's launch...none of them really took FULL advantage of the system's capability outside of visuals and none of them were considered awesome/must have games either. Like Ive said already, just because a game is exclusive to a platform, does NOT mean its a quality game, nor does it mean that its taking advantage of that system's FULL capability. Im not saying that PS5 will have sub par exclusives at launch...im saying we dont know what they will have at this time...but its a chance that what they will have wont be considered earth shattering or truly "next generation" from a design point. Again, we dont know that until we get closer to launch.

In terms of Halo Infinite...I cant tell you what other gamers will do. I can tell you that ill be upgrading to the SX on #DayOne because Halo Infinite will look, play and perform best on that platform and thats what I want to play...the best I can afford. However, Microsoft obviously doesn't care about that as they are making their games for their entire ecosystem and leaving no one behind. If they buy Halo Infinite on a One S or remain an XGP subscriber to play Halo Infinite, thats one more gamer that Microsoft is keeping in there ecosystem...its one more gamer that will upgrade to an SX in time when they can afford to do so. If vastly improved visuals and loading times doesn't catch there eye, then they wont be migrating or buying a PS5 then either haha. Why would they? Because of these insane amount of physics and unbelievable AI we have yet to see displayed in any PS5 game??? Even if they dont upgrade, Microsoft still wins by keeping their ecosystem growing and userbase for these games healthy. Halo Infinite will most like have more gamers playing on #DayOne than any other launch game on either platform.

[rainslacker]

Knack was designed to take advantage of PS4's hardware. Knacks character design was extremely complex, and couldn't have been done on last gen. The character alone was made up of more objects than could be handled on screen at once on the PS3. This character design was directly linked to game play elements.

While that has nothing to do with the quality of the game, give credit to what the game achieved, and don't spread false information that it didn't take advantage of PS4's hardware. The game was designed to do exactly that.

Resogun was similar, and it's PS3 release was designed in a diferent way. The end result didn't show much difference, but the way it was done on PS4 was done and took advantage of the new power available.

What does the quality of KZ:SF compared to other KZ games have to do with it's technical achievements? Did it take advantage of the new hardware or not?

While not exactly a launch title, there's also I:SS. While the main game could have been done on PS3 with some graphics scalilng, and probably some minor changes to the world, it's use of particle effects is still the most impressive of this generation. First Light couldn't have been done on last gen, despite being a smaller game. Too many game play elements would have had to be sacraficed to make it happen.

[SolidGamerX]

"Microsoft obviously doesn't care about that"

And there's the problem in a nut shell maybe they should care, look where not caring got them this gen. Question is when we are two to three years into next gen and Sony has trounced them in console sales once again will you still be apologizing for Microsoft's foolish decisions like you have been this whole gen.

[timotim]

Its a problem for whom though...Microsoft or fanboys? A problem for what reason...hardware sales or other? obviously not a problem for Microsoft for the reasons I already listed. If the reason is because of hardware sales then thats clearly not a problem for them either as Microsoft puts more focus on their software and subscription numbers than their hardware numbers of a specific box. SX will sell out #DayOne regardless anyway...but with software sales and subscriptions also coming from Original Xbox One, One S, One X, Windows 10, Steam, SX and most likely mobile devices through xCloud by then, they are giving themselves the best opportunity to have one of the biggest launches for their GAMES that they ever have had.

Your argument is rooted from a purely hardware sales perspective. Thats YOUR problem.

"I don't think they'll delay Ghosts to make it a PS5 exclusive but providing its fan base with real tangible exclusive experiences of any kind on their new hardware is the very definition of for the players. The concept is only foreign to you now becasue Microsoft isn't doing the same."

No...not at all. What you describe is old antiquated ways. Its simply not modern to fork off your library that way anymore. That is something that had to be done back in the day due to technology being where it was...no excuse anymore for anyone to take that approach...unless they are trying to force you to upgrade by withholding content. Look at Apple...they dont withhold apps or games when they release a new piece of hardware...they have an amazing ecosystem and the people that buy into do so because the ecosystem is inclusive to a great degree. They can bank on their software working with what they have. Look at the PC space...they been doing it for years. This is how modern tech works. No reason why Microsoft cant make titles like Halo Infinite a showpiece for SX and also deliver it on previous generation Xbox consoles.

[SolidGamerX]

lol, no its not my problem I don't sell game consoles and neither does Microsoft apparently.

Your argument is rooted from a purely "eco-system" perspective, which is little more then the MS buzzword of the month to excuse devaluing their new console. Funny how things are considered "antiquated" when its convenient. Let me try it out, I guess attending E3 is an antiquated concept, Its simply not modern to bother with attending an industry focused event when you can spend better time and resources by attending many other events throughout the year.

[timotim]

Thats right, you dont sell game consoles...so why are you worrying about it??? Is it because you only use the sales of specific game consoles as fuel for the console wars??? Microsoft sells much more than just consoles...they also have a PC business and a gaming service business which spans console, PC and mobile...its their business to support ALL of their gamers and revenue streams.

And no actually...eco-system is a term made popular by Apple supporters and tech enthusiasts. It is real and is the reason why Apple went from damn near bankruptcy to the tech mega giant they would go on to become. Their ecosystem is just too strong to denie when it comes to personal devices like tablets and phones and the culture they've built. They maximize their userbase and development.

And how is their new console "devalued" if its playing these games the best haha??? If we value how good these gaming machines play games, then SX will be looked at as valuable...4k/60 and super fast loading times...instant resume for multiple saved game states...BC with 3 generations of Xbox...how is that not valuable for those that game???

I will most likely keep my One S and One X for use in multiple rooms in the house. I take comfort in knowing that Halo Infinite will play on ALL my boxes regardless...thats modern dude...thats value. It will scale depending on what box im running it on. Can even get at the game on my PC as well...thats how you develop an ecosystem.

In terms of E3...sure, I have no problem with Sony pulling out yet again...they will most have an event pre E3 where they talk about and reveal the console as well as show up to many other events. Since this is a launch year for these new consoles...im sure Microsoft will do the same, plus be at E3...thats their choice...

[outsider1624]

Here's what i think and you can say it's ridiculous, it's alright.
Sony can release 1 subpar next gen title and people will still buy it over the XS. Thats the power of the brand and im not talking blind loyalty. Its just that Sony has a history of really awesome games along the line.

[SolidGamerX]

Thats right, you dont sell game consoles...so why are you worrying about it???

For the same reason you use metacritic scores and personal opinions on games you never played to downplay PS4 launch games to fuel console wars yourself.

Look you can spin it all you like and talk about eco-systems and what console you'll put in what room of your house all day long and I will never agree with you that what Microsoft is doing in terms of launching a new console with nothing exclusive for it is a good idea and I believe we will see another repeat of this gen for MS which everyone knows hasn't been a good one. That is all.

[ssj27]

I wouldn't be surprised if sony now delays Ghost and upgrade it next gen only just to rob it in xbox faces haha. I mean they already got nioh last of us II mlb and finalfantasyvii so is not like they need it need it.

Maybe that's the reason why the game doesn't have a release date jet and got delayed

[timotim]

What good would that do??? Ghost being held back just to be a launch title for PS5 would only add fuel to the anti consumer fire and prove that Sony is not "for the players."

It would also prove that just because a game is held back doesn't mean that its next gen experience as Ghost would be a PS4 game at heart being forced onto PS5 for fanboy purposes.

And do you honestly think titles like MLB wont see cross gen releases??? So will MLB: The Show actually be next gen on PS5 according to some of you???

[HannibalLecter]

Cross gen isn't the problem. But only cross gen for a year or 2 is.
Not that hard really is it?

[ssj27]

I clearly say delayed to be upgraded to a nextgen experience ditching the ps4. Why not what's wrong with that. I will love tbat to happen. I am sure there is a million that want it on the ps4 but that million wont mind if is upgrated to next gen only most those who will buy the game this year will still be able to buy it few months after but better and on the ps5.

[timotim]

@Hanniball

You guys have to get your talking points together if you want this to be effective. So now Ghost being a cross gen title on PS5 and PS4 is cool, yet Halo Infinite on Xbox One and SX isn't??? The question is, will Ghost on the PS5 be a truly "next gen" game on PS5 if its designed with PS4 in mind??? Because that is what some fanboys are trying to say. If Ghost does in fact ship on PS5 (which I believe it will), does that mean we should just skip the PS5 for now? Will the same happen to Last of Us 2? Will it be on PS5? Will that make it a last gen game on a next gen system on that console? Should we pick up a PS5 for it then?

What are these exclusive launch titles for PS5? Can you list them in links right now? What will the quality of these games be? Will all of them showcase the FULL capability of the platform? Are they even worth picking up the console for?

@SSJ27

Your fellow PS gamers are saying they dont want that because from a design standpoint, they game is already mapped out. At this point to make the PS5 as an exclusive, the only thing they could do is improve the visuals which your fellow brethren are saying is not enough. You also dont see how Sony would be hijacking their own games to sell more hardware in your scenario...they would be taking a massive dump (a 106 million unit sold dump in fact) on everyone who currently has a PS4 right now and is looking forward to the game. What you imply is anti consumer.

[sibyl1]

First off SSJ27 clearly doesn't speak for PS fan judging by the fact he's getting downvoted. Ghosts is a PS4 game, that will be BC with PS5.

And what are you even on about with MLB.. Who cares about MLB...

What people are saying isn't that cross gen games are bad what they are saying is NOT having any fully next gen games that take advantage of the new hardware that people are going to be paying money for two years is dumb.

Your trying to put words in PS fans mouths then your trying to argue with your own made up idea...

[ssj27]

I am getting disagrees because people dont agree with my idea.

What i think or others think here doesn't meter sony takes decision by what they think is best not by what people agree or n4g lol

Ghost is a ps4 game was been delayed and it's possible for it to end up been a ps5 exclusive. I am not inventing this.
Will it be the best ps5 game if that end up happening? Maybe not because it was made for the ps4 in mind from the beginning.

Will it be a better game if they dich ps4 and focus on ps5? Obviously yes. I am sure sucker's punch has hit many bottle necks. GG did with Horizon.

But the game was almost done or very ahead in development for the ps4 so it will be a waste of development time to not release it for the ps4 i guess maybe i am wrong and they taking the extra time on the delay to rework it for the ps5 in mind.

If the game comes on the ps4 will it play better on the ps5? Sure more fps more pixels better lighting but everything else will be the same.

And this is the problem with xbox game that they will get the same game but with enhancements and that's not a bad thing and definitely not a good neither.

Why? Because halo wojt be a better game on the xboxsx will will have better visuals and it enhancements but that's it. And every other game for the next over 2 years except with multiplatforms if they decide to move on and most will in few months with few exceptions abd some others will create two versions of the game.

You are a xbox fan and know that you wont have any exclusive game for the next gen console until after pass the 2 year that means by 2023 maybe you may start having a game for it.

Then why upgrade to it?
Keep your xbox

And get a ps5 you will get to play at least 10 AAA exclusive before Microsoft makes a game for the xboxsx. Then sale your ps5 if you really didn't enjoy it . I doubt you wouldn't. It will be so easy to sale and recover most money on it. If it cost 500 and you get let say 4 games for it you will be easily be able to sale it for at least 500 in a week of posting it on facebook or letgo app. You will keep enjoying your xbox games and experience ps5 for a while to go back to xboxsx if it's your will

[SolidGamerX]

I don't think they'll delay Ghosts to make it a PS5 exclusive but providing its fan base with real tangible exclusive experiences of any kind on their new hardware is the very definition of for the players. The concept is only foreign to you now becasue Microsoft isn't doing the same.

[rainslacker]

Or, just release it on PS3 as planned since it's releasing soon, then provide a free PS5 patch through BC?

There's really no need for Sony to delay it to promote the PS5. Everyone knows it's possible to run on PS4. Hell, game is probably going gold in the next few weeks.

[ShadowWolf712]

The game was designed from the ground up for the PS4. What you're suggesting is they scrap a huge chunk of the game, lose a ton of time and work and money put into it, and practically restart development JUST to try to claim some sort of moral victory on a topic that doesn't need it.

And that's not even touching on the backlash from people who were promised the title for the PS4 being suddenly told they have to pay another $500 upfront to get to pay it.

Not a wise move.

[ssj27]

The game been delayed already and has no release date. Its not like playstation 4 aren't getting any game and anything doable on the ps4 it's possible on the ps5 i am saying they could upgreate the game to a level that is only possibly to run on the ps5 justifies the delay and exclusivity to the ps5. If anything has preorder wheb it doesn't even have a release date its their fault for been stupid and if anyone preorder and took the time to preorder it idk who preorder games now days i am sure those who did are the first ones getting a ps5 so making the game best possible sure will be good for the game = better for the gamers and sooner of later most playstation 4 owner will get a ps5 in 6 years it will probably have everyone and more moved over ps5 so they cna eventually play the game if they really wanted from the beginning.

You make it sound like it's a bad thing to uograde the game to be only possible to play on the ps5 and beyond. Sound like stupid xbox fan mentality all the dressage with me = that you agree with stupid xbox mentally to make their game for most. .. who cares about making the game best possible? I do hence i am spending on new hardware. I may wait for lst of us II and this game to hit the $20 bellow market and play them on the ps5 i guess. I think it's stupid to hold naughty dogs and sucker punch back with old technology. For a game that is few months away from the ps5 lunch and their games could have been twice better at least on that more advanced tech. Leave AA companies do games for current gen since they dont have the budget or talent to push consoles to limits. And allow AAA or AAAA studios to use best tech possible

[ShadowWolf712]

No, I don't agree with Xbox's decision at all. I disagree with SIE wasting time and money and practically restarting development which will likely set this game back by a minimum of a year and require this new IP to sell even HIGHER numbers just to recoup costs, let alone make a profit.

It'll be fine releasing as-is and getting an enhancement patch on the PS5.

[DonDon3000]

"Can"? I think he misspelled "will"

[nucky64]

just like every gen, sony exclusives will be a big advantage during the ENTIRE gen - not just "early on".

[MadLad]

I can't wait until these freaking consoles release. I'm already tired of the "why MS doesn't need exclusives ", "Who is and is anti-consumer, "insert this thing here is why so and so will dominate next gen" articles.

We still don't even have an actual grasp on what to expect from these machines, but every junior journalist sure has a take on the whole generation already.

[rainslacker]

You're in other threads perpetuating these things you say you're tired of.

[i3eyond the Circle]

I’ll just copy my last post since.. no one gets it.

You guys really think that this launch is going to usher in this groundbreaking unable to be conceived on a PS4 quality and it’s not.. so why alienate your user base other than a ploy to rush them into upgrading.

The only rebuttal I’ve heard is SSD load times and 100s of more NPCs... my guys.. that’s always been on the scale for games depending the specs of your device.

You will be getting UHD games with less load times and higher refresh rates at the beginning.. that’s all with maybe some Ray Tracing... nothing that couldn’t be scaled back... nothing that would be held back.

Your king won’t put that effort in, the effort to show technology has advanced enough to pull these things off. They are only worried about the money you will all blindly spend for a technologically inferior system.

So they better show up.. because if they don’t prove that these launch games were impossible elsewhere.. this same media who’s been posting all these articles large and small who you think alll have become Xbox apologists overnight will tear Sony a new asshole and the world won’t let it slide.

You won’t see proprietary next gen engines for some time... you’re only getting MAXED out assets for current gen engines. Stop being foolish.

[rainslacker]

Repeating yourself doesn't mean that people will now get it when your logic is flawed.

People get what you're saying, they just think you're wrong. Doesn't help that your comment is predicated on others saying things that they aren't saying in the first place.

[i3eyond the Circle]

And again... another reply that says absolutely nothing with a big ole serving of N4G contradiction.

[ShadowWolf712]

You're a funny guy.

Way too serious, but funny.

[GamingSinceForever]

Uhh you think?

[Thundercat77]

The funny thing is that it has always been like that because that's the main reason people move to a new next gen console but suddenly because Microsoft will not do that, a certain groups says, out of the blue, that the traditional way is anti consumer 😂. That's high level craziness.

Remember how sales were important to this certain group and then when Microsoft announced that there was going to be no more sales data, they changed their tune and started saying "sales doesn't matter"?

[Atticus_finch]

Tldr. You're going to pretend no one mentioned physics, A.I. and level design because that hasn't ever mattered in game design.
Your comments give me 2nd hand embarrassment.

[starchild]

Physics, AI, enemy/npc counts, load times, draw distance, and virtually every other technical aspect of game design is scalable. That's the simple truth of the matter.

Do any of you really believe that the PS5 is going to have some kind of unparalleled secret sauce that will allow it to surpass PC? The PS2 and PS3 had hardware that was more distinct from PC hardware than PS4 and PS5 are and yet games still looked and ran better on PC. If you think things are going to be different this time you're simply not thinking rationally.

[rainslacker]

Wow. That first sentence of yours is just wrong in every respect. I'm not even sure I can express just how wrong you are with how you're implying your misguided facts.

yeah, you can scale every aspect of a games design, but the further back you hold onto technology, the more it means making a completely different game build. While that's possible to do, it isn't always practical, or even a good idea. I mean, I'd liken it to the lego games. Big difference between the portable versions and the console versions. That's the power and feature difference we're talking about.

I don't believe the PS5 will come out guns a blazing to really utilize every aspect of it's design in a way that will bring about some sort of cataclysmic change in game design principals. But I do believe that some features will be shown early on that show the promise of next gen, and over time, that will grow to a point where it would be held back by trying to hold onto older hardware.

[ShadowWolf712]

"Physics, AI, enemy/npc counts, load times, draw distance, and virtually every other technical aspect of game design is scalable. That's the simple truth of the matter."

And just like that, you've lost any and all credibility to speak on this topic.

YIKES.

[S2Killinit]

Exclusives are sort of the whole point of a new gen. Thats how it has always been. Otherwise its just a mid gen update.

[starchild]

That's never been what it was about for me. I upgrade to a new console for the same reason I upgrade my PC: because I want a higher level of graphical quality in my games. I couldn't care less if those games are "exclusive" to the new console or not. Actually, scratch that--I would PREFER that they were not restricted to the new console, because that way it would be up to me to decide when I want that greater graphical quality and not be because I was forced to upgrade simply because they stopped releasing games for the hardware I own.

I prefer the way it's done on the PC, and now Xbox apparently. I don't understand the obsession some of you have with exclusivity. It does nothing for me. It doesn't excite me or anything like that. I can only imagine that it's really big for console warriors who spend their lives fighting fake wars and who love exclusives because they're an easy talking point.

[S2Killinit]

You missed the point of exclusivity. Its not the exclusiveness thats desired, its the fact that a game being exclusive means it is not held back by weaker hardware. Besides, dont we all wait for new hardware in order to see what can be done that isnt possible on current gen machines? Otherwise, a mid generation upgrade is what you have. The very reason why first party exclusives on PlayStation can compare to some of the best PC games is because they are exclusive. Im a console gamer, and I like my consoles, that is why I want consoles to remain consoles, not just some over glorified service box.

[RosweeSon]

If they good quality if it’s knack again then 😅 but typically unless your Nintendo launching day1 with super Mario world etc launch games generally aren’t the best or the ones talked about by the end of the generation. Gotta have them tho otherwise why are you releasing another console when you already just launched the most powerful console and not even utilised that yet 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷 🏻‍♂️😅😂

[Abnor_Mal]

I think I've figured out Microsoft plan with this cross generation games thinking. Think Minecraft, the game is on every platform but has packs such as 4K, texture packs and whatnot to make the game look better and better depending if you have the right system of these packs to run on.

Microsoft will be doing this for the first two years of the next generation. Games will come out across their ecosystem and for the most party will have parity with each other. After the first two years these same games will get paid patches to upgrade to 4k/60 and all the bells and whistles if the player so chooses. If not they will be able to continue playing the game in a lesser beginning of the gen state.

That will be another way to nickle and dime their customer base into thinking they're paying for mods, when in reality they're only paying for what was suppose to be in the game on the new system and is probably already paywalls on the disc. Microsoft microtransactions with loot boxes soon to follow where you don't who what you'll get a texture pack, a 4K/60 pack, resource pack or mashup pack. Spin the wheel and enhance your game today.

[Exvalos]

Microsoft is once again shooting themself in the foot.

[Flewid638]

The PS4 will be ending with exclusives.

The PS5 wll most likely launch with exclusives.

That's some serious shit.

[Chocoburger]

PS1, PS2, PS3 were the same way.
- Crash Team Racing, Ape Escape, Spyro 3, and more.
- God of War 2, Rogue Galaxy, and more.
- The Last of Us, Resistance 3, and more.
- Ghost of Tsushima, Last of Us Part II, and more.

[Petebloodyonion]

MS said for the 1st year and perhaps 2 there will be no console exclusives.
NOW please name the great launch title from SONY that made us rush to get a PS2(Fantavision), a Ps3 (Resistance: Fall of Man), a Ps4 (Knack), PSP (Ape Escape)?
Ironically the biggest exclusive launch title is Uncharted Golden Abyss on VITA and I'm sure Sony considers the Vita an extreme success. Historically Sony starts bringing the heavy hitters in the second year of the console which will probably coincide with MS fading old Xbox 1.

[KillBill]

If you imagine that Series X will not fully embrace the games on their Next Gen system then you are smoking something for sure.

Psst... also latest rumor, Sony looks to be doing something in the same line as MS with PS5 and forward compatibility. lol (look for February news event)

[Imortus_san]

PS4 exclusives were crap for 3 strait years Until Uncharted 4 and Horizon Dawn hit the market.

[Godmars290]

If MS doesn't or can't understand the need for a diverse 1st part library with SP and MP, the PS5's "advantage" will be throughout its run. Just like all of the gens before.

[ocelot07]

Of course it will. It gives players the initiative to upgrade. When they upgrade not only will they get to still play there PS4 games as well as PSVR. They will have access to PS5 titles games that are not available on the PS4.

When it comes to Xbox. They have a choice. They can stick with there XB1 or XBX and still get to play Halo and won't have to buy the XB SX because there is not exclusives (not that there would be anyway). They also have a a choice now if they have the cash. They can buy or build a PC that is more powerful than a XB SX but it will cost a fair amount. Or they can build one that is not as powerful but not to far off. Or they can build one that is around the same power as the XB1X. But have access to MS titles as well as gamepass but access to PC exclusives and so much more.

[yomfweeee]

There is no "could be" when it comes to console sales. These 2 strategies are the complete opposite. Microsoft putting their own games on X1X will prevent some users from upgrading to the next gen. It gives them a reason to stay on the old gen longer.

The only thing this can be doing for Microsoft is maybe building long term good will with their customers.

[gazgriff2k12]

sony has always had a small advantage because of exclusives. nothing new. certainly not news worthy

[waverider]

Everyone saying it will take two or 3 years to take use of the tech realy dont know what they are talking.... Just a huge lie. the PS5 wont have a CELL CPU or huge lack of RAM..,.. Studios will be able to make games faster, because the bottlenecks of this GEN are gonne. The main bottenecks were the CPU and the slow hard drive.

[Xavi4K]

Well, I dought that it will make that huge difference...people run and buy remakes and remaster...Xbox Series X will be superior to any other version. Therefore, it will easily make people buy it to play the best version available of the game.

[RazzerRedux]

"Therefore, it will easily make people buy it to play the best version available of the game."

That was the theory for Xbox One X as well. And yet, PS4 still won out.

[Xavi4K]

Well I wasn't clear the superior version of xbox Is what I meant.

Moreover, games like hellblade 2 will be considered console exclusive So if someone want to play it either he do through Windows pc or Xbox. Also no one know which console will be superior cause there are no Specs yet!

[RazzerRedux]

Thanks for clarification. I don't disagree.

[Game-o-holic]

Am I the only one lost with this discussion? It seems like a no brainer. When new phones come out they have more processing power and new features to make use of the power. Some new features only work on the new phone due to the new power. That's why you buy the new phone. Or else you just keep using the old phone.

[sprinterboy]

All I'm hearing at work (uk warehouse/factory job) from clueless people who only read headlines, is "new xbox won't have any AAA games for 2 years"

That is not the message Phil Spencer or xbox want factory and warehouse workers up and down the UK saying on lunch breaks or in the cigarette area?
Imo it's almost as bad from the always online fiasco or no used games? If that's the message non gamer mum and dads are hearing at work already then that's not a great sign, especially when ps5 will have spiderman 2, hzd2, gow2, socom, demon souls exclusive during its first 2 years?

[leejohnson222]

If ps5 didn't have any 1st party software on launch I wouldn't be buying it. I need to see what the system can do from the Sony owned studios.

[CrimsonWing69]

Well let's think about it...

You're in the market for a next-gen console and you have an Xbone and PS4. However, you can only get one next-gen console at the moment.

Do you:

A) Get the console with cross-gen first party exclusives that you can play on your old console and then only use your brand new next-gen console to play only the next-gen third-party exclusives.

or

B) Get the console that plays the same next-gen only third-party exclusives as the competitor, has actual next-gen first party exclusives at launch that you can't play anywhere else, and then get the competitor's first-party exclusive games to play on your last-gen console if you really want to play them in the first place.

I'll tell you this, one option gives you everything while the other limits you.

[nibblo]

Pretty sure you will be able to play new games on the new Xbox and they will look and perform significantly better than the Xbox One version. If you want to get the best version you will upgrade much like people who bought the PS4 Pro or the XBX.

[CrimsonWing69]

So now you have to buy two versions of the game?

[quenomamen]

The spin on the “ We dont need exclusives at launch” is getting to a point where i think the earth is gonna start spinning backwards.

[nibblo]

What a fluff piece, no details just meandering thoughts without any substance.

[thornh]

I've been playing games since TelStar in the early '70s and have seen the release of every single console ever released in North America. I've owned a Neo Geo and a 3DO. I was never a big Nintendo fan but owned every SEGA console (yes, the Saturn too) and every PlayStation Console. NEVER have I seen a console release WITHOUT an exclusive game or 10. I know times have changed but I don't know how MS thinks it is going to sell a bunch of new consoles with nothing exclusive to play. Doesn't make sense to me.

[Zerobalance]

So how many ps4 consoles were sold in the last 2 years? 20 million... Maybe more? So all those kids will now have to spend another £399 on the ps5 to play these new games. Seems a bit unfair on those late adopters. Cheeky of Sony to fleece those kids. Oh well.

[ssj27]

You are stupid. Those casual gamers will wait few year's for price drops to buy ps5 while they will be able to play their games on the ps4. Casual gamers most like 9 out of 10 care for fifa and cod and they will get a new fifa and cod for the ps4 the next at least 5 year.
They could sale they ps4 for 150 to 200 to spend another 200 or mroe depending on how much it cost the ps5 if they really want to play ps5 games.

You are telling me I'm going to spend 400 to 500 to play the same games i coul play on the ps4 but only advance i will get is faster load and more fps and pixels mm no thanks. If i get a next gen console is to play games only possible on them. I wouldn't be getting the next fifa or cod because i know they will be outdated made for current gen in mind. I will get exclusives next gen experience. This gen is been boring and outdated since year 5. Sure good games came out but nothing mindblowing everything outdated. Ps5 is already outdated by the time it comes out in term of raw power why will i want to play 2013 game witch were very outdated weak when they came out in 2013 already. On 2021 and beyond. And having a supposedly 5 times more powerful console base Prrr please . If they make a ps5 pro is to upgrade to 8k and that's a good incentive. For those with 8k tv in about 4 years from now with will be affordable. And sure they will get other small enhancements but that their incentive. They know they wont get other advantages or new generation of games so it's ok for it to not hve exclusive games using it raw power. I feel xbox killed themself by lunching a nextgen console that wont have exclusive fames using it power until after 2023. That's crazy and stupid and more stupid for those who buy the console and wait for the games which are going to be halo another forza another gears and now 3 other AA ip who they clain they are AAAA lol pleaee fool stupid people not me with that pr bs talk

[Weapon_of_choice]

Just get me bloodborne 2 and a new armored core FromsoftwareIf possible as PS5 release games, thnx✌️