PS4 Games Should be Enhanced on Playstation 5

Gamerheadquarters; "With the Playstation 5 arriving this year, and backwards compatibility being supported it would be great if PS4 titles featured some sort of enhancement to them. In the past, some titles are carried over but owners have to repurchase them."

[ABizzel1]

I agree, hopefully there's an patch to at minimum enhance all PS4 games to up to 4K resolution, but moreso, a Performance mode patch to male games run at 60fps on the biggest games / exclusives to come to the console.

[darthv72]

I'd imagine they will run at their most optimal settings by default. Meaning the PS5 hardware will remove any restrictions and allow the games to run as they intended. No dropped or torn frames and no dynamic resolution scaling (checkerboarding).

[SyntheticForm]

I think developers must actually patch in updates; the console doesn't automatically update games I'm quite sure. Certain small issues could be automatically smoothed over such as loading times.

Not sure about anything else.

[bouzebbal]

They look amazing ps4 games.. Games could be enhanced like they are running on pro. But I won't expect more than that

[ilikestuff]

Enhancements would be nice but just let alll the PlayStation games work on the ps5 and I’ll be happy, I wanna play fight night and I’m not buying a ps3 just to play one game

[DaReapa]

"Enhancements would be nice but just let alll the PlayStation games work on the ps5 and I’ll be happy,..."

This!

[SkatterBrain]

theres a problem that not all games have animation made to run at 60fps like drive club if were forced to run double speed then some things would look like fast forwarding a movie thd sounds might not sync up to whats happening on screen

[IMissJimRyan]

I hope that guy keeps this opinion when Switch 2 arrives.

[Sono421]

I think we both know that won't happen, but in all honestly i'm just expecting it to be the same thing the pro does for PS4 games that don't have a patch specifically for the pro, they just run a bit smoother, anything more than that and I will be really happy.

[rob-GP]

Doubtful. Without actively altering the game code (of all 3k+ games), the games won't push past what we saw on the Pro in terms of resolution and framerates. Think PS4 to PS4 Pro via boost mode. Games will have a smoother framerate and less use of the dynamic resolution thanks to the overhead, but enhancements like new textures, higher resolutions, and doubling the framerate will require updates from devs - which usually is a charged service on consoles (publishers pay to update games).

Also, don't forget that the majority of games are no longer supported by devs and publishers, those will never get updates either. If any get updates then they'll be popular games and recent releases.

the only reason the Xbox did this with a handful of 360 games (as I know it'll be brought up) is that each game was wrapped in its own emulation wrapper where a team of people had customised the emulation around the game and done the enhancements for the developers. I highly doubt Sony will do this because it'll cost a lot of money and it'll mean an emulated 'bc' rather than a true bc, true will open up the console to play every single game day one.

[darthv72]

I hope you are right because as it is they omitted CD support from their bluray drive and that means the entirety of the PS1 library and a sizeable portion of PS2 would be unplayable. Sony may take the same approach and just make the discs validate and then the system downloads a digital version that is compatible. Either way it is nice they are returning some form of bc to the platform seeing as they said no for the PS4. I have a feeling there will not be hardware BC (except for PS4) so any form of bc (even software) is considered emulated.

[traumadisaster]

Handful of 360 games? There are dozens and dozens dude. There are more than a handful on the OG Xbox, at least a dozen there too.

[rob-GP]

@darth - they didn't include any support to play CD Audio this gen (as it would have required an app) but the drive technically still reads CDs.

@Trauma - compared to the 360 library, only a handful had Xbox one X enhancements - I'm not counting the emulated ones at native resolutions (which was the vast majority of the BC titles) but I'm on about the ones manually optimised by MS to run at a higher resolution than the original release.

[gamer7804]

anything thats coded to be at a dynamic resolution should be default run at the same fps and 4k, that should be a given. I'm uncertain if a ps4 game does checkerboard rendering if it can be automatically converted to true 4k without a patch of some sort.

[isarai]

Im guessing it'll be the same as when the pro came out. Some devs will patch in enhanced features, with a likely system level "Boost Mode" for ones without a specific patch.

[Rude-ro]

It just depends on the engines...
Thankfully, Sony focused on this early and began putting all the pieces together..
My point, early games like the order, killzone etc would need support..
Where as horizon, gran turismo, dreams, god of war, last of us etc were all built on future proof new scalable engines.

Almost every dev built new engines this gen. Gg, Santa Monica, polygon, naughty dog, sucker punch, etc...
Going to be fantastic per output on the ps5

[traumadisaster]

More like focused on it late. Those you did mention are not guaranteed to auto boost, just u talking sheet. No devs have confirmed jack

[Rude-ro]

@traumadisaster

Perhaps some intelligence in your point?
What I stated is known fact.
Microsoft is still using engines from last gen and they just upgrade the tools to enhance those engines per gen.
Ie crackdown 3 looking/playing no differently from the first iteration.. just more pixels.

[IRetrouk]

Dude we have had interviews with devs telling us their engines are scalable, gt sport has been seen and played by wired running on the ps5 to show off controller features and was also used to show off a massive 8k 80 inch tv, the game was running at 120fps.

[Profchaos]

I'm will be up to the Devs entirely but there's no reason that we couldn't see games become enhanced for ps5 eg if rockstar make enough from red dead 2 and it's multiplayer store they may patch the ps5 edition to the PC level of graphics and performance while letting you continue your playthrough on a ps5.

Ubi is looking into just this with rainbow six siege as they don't want to segregate the community but still want to support enhancements that the ps5 will bring

[Neonridr]

If PS4 titles are enhanced, then what would be the purpose of selling a PS5 version of a game?

[Lon3wolf]

I don't think they will enhance it to that level (but who knows)

[Neonridr]

yeah, we still don't know. I mean for a game like Last of Us 2 for example. No doubt we will see a PS5 version of the game, but will the PS4 version enhance the game to parity? Or will we be required to double-dip?

[Donnie81]

Neon you know Sony will make you pay for a ps5 version. They have been selling people ps2 games again and again for years

[IanTH]

@Donnie81 - Only partially true. Every previous generation of PlayStation has had some level of backwards compatibility, only the PS4 recently broke that trend. Even the Vita could play PSP games. Even then, the PS4 also had crossbuy on certain titles, where one purchase got you the PS4/PS3/PSV versions.

My suspicion is that if you buy digitally, you'll get the PS4 and PS5 versions of a game. If you buy physically, you can either upscale that PS4 game as-is, or you will have to leave the disc in (like XBO does for backwards compatible 360 games) and then be able to download the PS5 game to your hard drive, just needing the disc to prove you own it.

There's no way they will have you buy it twice, it would be publicity suicide. XBO has rallied hard around compatibility, and you can bet that message will carry through to the Series X - we already know One games will be playable on X in some fashion. If Sony fails to offer the same thing, that would be a terrible comparison point to have at the start of a generation - I simply can't see it happening.

[Smokehouse]

Lol what? Like a remaster you mean?

[Neonridr]

Like TLOU2 for example. You don't think they won't sell a PS5 version of the game?

[Smokehouse]

Oh ok. It probably won’t matter for new games. The disc will probably be the same. I think he’s talking about enhancing the old PS4 games like the Xbox series x does. You can’t get the enhancements unless you have the system.

[crazyCoconuts]

I'm guessing they'll stick with separate media for PS5 versions. Maybe UHD disks will be needed for bigger assets. Maybe for a handful of games they will "upgrade" to PS5 for free if you insert the PS4 disk. They did that for Battlefield IV - I had to insert the PS3 disk into my PS4. I'm guessing they'll do that for their 2019-2020 exclusives. Third party producers would be case by case depending on their sales outlook.

[Neonridr]

it's the one thing they haven't addressed yet. As a current PS4 owner it will be interesting to see if any games that have dual releases (PS4 & PS5) will be different in any ways. Obviously games that get full remasters for the PS5 are different and not what I am discussing here.

[darthv72]

i seem to recall that upgrade from ps3 to ps4 was like $10. I thought it was a neat approach and wondered why more games didnt offer that sort of thing. For a minimal fee, you get a better version of the game on newer hardware or you can stick to using the existing one on the original platform.

As it is, this is how the compatible 360 games work on the xbo for free. Disc validation yields you the ability to dl an enhanced version with better IQ and playability.

[crazyCoconuts]

@darth, come to think of it I do remember a small fee. Seems fair to me

[Abnor_Mal]

Currently watching a new MBG video on YouTube where he is talking about how PS5 backwards compatibility will cover all PlayStation consoles and will enhance old games up to 4K. Although it should still be considered a rumor because his source who he says has been right before is HipHopGamer.

[darthv72]

I've heard the PS5 will use a UHD enhanced version of the PS4 bluray drive and they didn't offer any CD media support in that drive. Which means there may not be direct CD support for PS1 and some PS2 games. If they make it where it can validate the disc and then download a version of the game that is compatible, that could work. so long as it is not an extra cost to play said game on the PS5. Hell, I'd even take being able to use my existing digital library of PS1 games I can play on PSP, PSV and PS3 on the PS5. Why Sony couldnt make those work on the PS4 is anybody's guess.

[Abnor_Mal]

It's possible that the older BC games will be digital and PS4 games would be disc and digital.

Any and all of this is just speculation until Sony decides to let the cat out the bag. There was talk that they would make some kind of announcement at some show next week.

https://youtu.be/9NOf5HVJwS...

[rob-GP]

UHD drives play all disc formats from the 100gb discs to 700mb CDs. Plus, don't forget Sony was one of the initial creators of the format - so I imagine if it didn't work, they would create a drive where it would.

[darthv72]

@rob, well there are two types of UHD. Ultra High Definition (a resolution format of 4k output or greater) and Ultra High Density (the media format of 100gb or greater). You can have UHD movies on regular bluray discs which is what the XBOS and X use but the Series X is said to use an actual UHD drive for higher capacity. Sony was said to be using a similar drive from the PS4 in the PS5 but with added UHD resolution support (for 4k movies) which was something they opted to omit from the Pro to save $.

how the bluray in the xbo can read CD media and the PS4 cant is strange but I hope they restore that function for the PS5.

[MadLad]

As much as I like Sony, they're one of the worst when it comes to monetizing old titles.

[Tross]

Nintendo says hi. Worst of all, their ports of WiiU titles are still being sold at full price. At least I was able to snag The Last of Us on PS4 for $15CAD.

[MadLad]

Eh. Nintendo still let me play Wii games on the Wii U at a time where Sony was pushing remasters and overpriced emulation via their store.

Nintendo isn't much better in how they're handling things today, but that really just points out how much better Xbox's offerings when it comes to backwards compatibility really is.

[Tross]

I think the most important thing is being able to play our older games, first and foremost. But I’m all for additional enhancements if that’s in the cards.

[rob-GP]

"In the past, some titles are carried over but owners have to repurchase them" - name some? The PS2 classics on the PS4 were enhanced and had trophies added, so they weren't 'carried over'. The PS2 and 1 games on the PS3 'carried over' as you could pop in the disc and play them but you didn't have to re-purchase them. However, if you wanted the digital version you did as they weren't available to buy digitally on those original systems - just like the original Xbox games.

So, maybe I'm missing something but that comment seems like one which is trying to get a reaction rather than being factually correct.

[skycaptin5]

I had meant more of gap titles like Battlefield 4, CoD: Ghosts, LEGO Marvel Super Heroes, Assassin's Creed: Black Flag. They were on last gen, carried over to current gen and you have to repurchase them. Meaning more of a carry over as a gen shift. It was similar prior to that with I believe Call of Duty 2 a number of other games for that generation.

[PrinceOfMalta]

PS1 games run ever-so-slightly better on PS2, and PSP games suffer from fewer hiccups when running on Vita. This is by virtue of the superior hardware alone, without any specific optimization. It's safe to assume that PS4 games will run slightly better on PS5, if nothing else because of the SSD drive (faster loading times) and larger/better RAM. However the difference won't be massive. It will basically be like playing on a PS4 Pro for the games that support it, while older titles may occasionally see marginal/incidental performance improvements.

On the other hand, Sony has little or no incentive to force 60 FPS and/or 4K resolution via a patch/update, since it would kill the prolific remaster industry that has been so profitable in the last two generations. Third-party developers wouldn't be happy about it, since it would prevent them from releasing remasters of current-gen games. So the chance of that happening is very slim.

Be happy with the faster loading times and more consistent frame rates... it's unlikely we'll get anything else.

[ifrit_caress]

Perhaps a performance patch would suffice like what FROMSOFTWARE did with Dark Souls 3 for the PS4 Pro.

[Butters360]

They'll probably be a boost mode until that specific game gets their PS5 edition.

[Profchaos]

According to the recent leak I saw just yesterday it's in the pipeline but for everything. The article on bgr references a leak that states we should see every console iteration revive the BC treatment and games will be put through a remaster process similar I'd imagine to Xbox one. But could potentially be more like PS2 on ps4 where games are upressed and given trophy support.

Regardless id love to have my one console play 25 years of gaming history designed to run on our modern TVs if you're into Retro gaming at all you'll know that this is always a challenge and some companies have very expensive solutions which is why retro enthusiasts hang on to the old crt TVs imagine a software solution in the modern console to handle it.

If it goes this way I'd want Sony to make it a goal to continue BC in future iterations.

https://www.google.com/amp/...

[moriarty1889]

it will propably run like the boost mode on the Pro models. Unless they release official patches on a game by game basis.

[DerekFlint007]

Thoroughly enjoyed PS4 title Days Gone and would currently rank the game somewhere between 7.5 to 8.

Given a fresh coat of PS5 paint, this game will jump to between a 9 to 10 for me. Eliminating long, ardous, repetitive loading screens, improving graphical features, but most of all, perhaps adding a buttery smooth 120fps motion rate, maybe even in 4k with zero drops. Lastly I'd love, once again to see the Uncharted franchise receive a major upgrade adding Lost Legacy, uncharted 4 and Golden Abyss along with the original trilogy get a major overhaul full of enhanced features.

[Fritzwochel]

Probably be a enhance mode feature in a 2022 firmare update.
Imma expecting some devs to make PS5 enhanced versions.
- No man's sky
- Destiny 2
- Fortnite
etc.

[ziggurcat]

I suspect that it'll be treated in the same way as it is between the base/Pro PS4.

[MadLad]

I just hope they allow developers to make more use of the PS5, if they decide they want to. I was a very late adopter of the Pro, being I got an absolute steal on it through a friend. My plan is sell it and put it towards a PS5 early on, considering the PS5 at least plays it on the Pro level. That said, I wouldn't mind a little extra oomf out of certain games. Just the fact of playing Last of Us in 60fps turned one of my favorite games into something that felt so much better.

[ziggurcat]

I can't imagine that there wouldn't be at least a little extra oomph in the PS5 versions of any crossover games.

I just hope that there are at least some PS5-only titles in the beginning instead of all PS5-enhanced PS4 titles.

[Magog]

They will be. Sony has already stated as much.

[Bronxs15]

Current rumours I’ve seen is that ps5 will launch with ps4 remasters they want to sell. This in contrast to ms who are in favour of patching existing games (like they did with one x enhancements)

[BlaqMagiq1]

I don't expect the PS5 to make all PS4 games run at 60fps because some games are engine locked, but I do expect PS5 to make PS4 games run a lot more STABLE, as in no frame drops. If it can do that, that's a win in my book.

[RangerWalk267]

I hope so. Sony remastered a lot of games this generation ( on the PS4 ) and charged for them.

[MrVux000]

Have we allready forgotten the whole ''Remastering by emulation'' thingy?

Not only will (and should) we expect implemention of high-resolution assets(4K) into legacy software "on the fly'', but better and updated textures and higher framerates(60FPS).

[sprinterboy]

Never/S

[Varodor]

is it just an attempt to create high expectations from nothing?

[TheHan]

They really need to

[Xavi4K]

amazing next-gen can't come closer can't wait to play spider man and swing in NY in full 4k and 60FPS with enhanced graphics!!!