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Xbox Needs To Get In The VR Game

The world of VR is picking up steam, especially now that Half-Life: Alyx will take advantage of the technology. Will Microsoft hop on the bandwagon?

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isarai1629d ago

They need to focus on their newly acquired studios before they try to support yet another platform.

IamTylerDurden11629d ago (Edited 1629d ago )

Sony has even more actual first party studios and they still manage to support VR. Microsoft also has far deeper pockets than Sony, so what exactly is the excuse? Xbox doesn't even make Kinect games anymore, so why not support VR? More money than god but VR is too big a risk? If Series X doesn't natively support VR from the jump, it would be pretty disappointing. Microsoft always talks about being innovators yet you know that when they do support VR it'll be through a third party. It would be nice to see them build a proprietary set. They have yet to venture into handheld or VR gaming. Put your money where your mouth is and use the engineers you are always bragging about that built the 1X to do something other than a home console.

Unfortunately we can bet that once VR is more financially viable Microsoft will simply cut a deal with Oculus, not dedicate much if any resources to VR software, and fans will swear that Xbox's VR support is better than Sony's.

isarai1629d ago

Yeah but sony has had these studios for decades, MS JUST acquired these studios, they still have to build on them, and you're asking them to take these studios after they finally got them and spread them thin between main console games and VRgames to once again end up with the very same problem they tried to solve. What im saying is lets wait till MS has built these studios into something great, THEN once they've all found their groove and place in the 1st party family, THEN they can focus on VR.

Vasto1629d ago

@isarai

Could not have said it better.

gangsta_red1629d ago

But Sony hasn't dedicated any of their first party studios or resources on VR. One of them, Guerrilla Cambridge came out with a PSVR game and Sony closed them down soon after.

Where's the known awesome Sony IP games for PSVR? God of War, Uncharted, Killzone, etc, etc? Sony was able to do this in the beginning for Vita but for some reason not PSVR.

Is it because Sony didn't even have faith in VR and their own peripheral and relied on tech demos, small games and the occasional hit to push VR.

And yet you want MS to? Doesn't make much sense and sounds like more unrealistic expectations to put on MS only to come back here and complain about them.

This is exactly why you brought up Oculus. Because if this does happen you can fall back on "Ugh...MS didn't dedicate their own resources to make VR a success". Such an obvious narrative.

1Victor1629d ago (Edited 1629d ago )

@ isarai then Microsoft should use a few of those billions that their fanboys are so proud of and spitting in everyone face and buy a VR studio to work on their headset but as always they’ll wait till someone else does the work and jump in like a hungry shark to get a piece of the pie
@gansta can you please stop recycling the same vr comment about uncharted God of war and kill zone on vr where are Microsoft billions to buy a dedicated VR studio or two. They don’t have to take Sony route of building studios from scratch throughout the years they can buy their way in like the did with the 360 faulty hardware.

xX-oldboy-Xx1629d ago

I forgot ms is new to this gaming thing - they're not, they're just not good at it.

They've had plenty of time to do what they're doing now - the question is why didn't they?

That's what should be asked.

Unspoken1629d ago

Sony has a 3rd rate VR headset. Not much to be said there. Those who have real VR are already playing on Windows AND Microsoft does have Mixed Reality sooo...your statememt's are uninformed. Plus you're question is responding to you're answer.

battlegrog1629d ago

The market is not there yet. Every product we have got so far has been only the next concept. Its just not perfected yet but coming next gen i could see it sorting itself out and becoming closer to main stream. The biggest thing has been controls really and making them small enough and plus u need a super powerful machine to do it full on.

Godmars2901629d ago

@isarai:
"MS JUST acquired these studios, they still have to build on them, and you're asking them to take these studios after they finally got them and spread them thin between main console games and VRgames"

Yet many here expect them to outpace Sony in terms of quality as well as quantity. Nevermind what was expected out of them when Kinect was a thing or their attempts at AR support was announced.

HighPlayer281629d ago

You ps fans made jokes about Kinect when Microsoft used it now you want them to go to another niche smh.

KillBill1629d ago

VR is little different to Kinect in that it has a very limited market and does not present an easy platform to market to. The game types that take advantage of each are really not the mainstream types of games that sell. Most all VR games are gimmicky at best and offer really little more than a sampling of gaming in many cases.

BenRC011629d ago

Chucking shovel ware at psvr isn't support.

S2Killinit1628d ago

Some of the best games of the generation were on PSVR.

Donnie811628d ago

Sony most certainly does not have more first party studios. Guinness book of records currently lists Microsoft as having the largest collection of first party studios in gaming history.

BrettAwesome1628d ago

@Donnie81
Amazing. Especially when you consider how few games they managed to make 😂😂😂

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ApocalypseShadow1629d ago (Edited 1629d ago )

Gangster Red, London Studios is first party. They made Blood and Truth and the VR compilation discs. Japan Studios is first party. They made Astrobot. They also made Everybody's Golf with Clap Hanz. Sony made Tumble VR. Why do you keep forgetting that they're first party too? And they published countless second party games from Rush of Blood, Farpoint, Firewall, Bound and had a second party port Wipeout. All good games. They are also publishing Iron Man. Yeah. Sony's not supporting the device. Sure buddy. Sony seems to be providing games for regular gamers and VR gamers with less money than what Microsoft's got.

Isarai is actually wrong. Those same developers Microsoft bought created or ported games to VR.

Mages Tale- Inxile(I have it)
Psychonauts VR- Double Fine
Hell Blade VR- Ninja Theory
Dexed VR Ninja Theory
Nicodemus: Demon of Evanishment Location-based VR - Ninja Theory
Vader Immortal Oculus Quest- Ninja Theory was a consultant
We Happy Few VR- Compulsion Games
Flight simulator VR- Asobo Studios
Minecraft VR- Minecraft

Seems to me that Microsoft has plenty of developers on staff that have already made VR games for others.

While having developers like 343, Turn 10, Playground Games, the Initiative, Obsidian, The Coalition, Minecraft, Undead Labs and Rare. To say they don't have enough developers to make regular games and VR games is ridiculous. Just a bunch of excuse from people.

Microsoft partnered with 6 or so companies and have 7 Mixed Reality headsets on PC. Microsoft didn't have to lift a finger creating the hardware. But made no software whatsoever but Minecraft. So who's supporting what Gangster Red? 7 headsets with no games but leeching off of Steam and the Oculus Store. And 1 headset getting games consistently.

Microsoft is just lazy and would rather hoard money than make games. Phil said no to VR. But it's not because they can't as I proved above. It's because they don't want to. And would only jump in if someone else made VR a hit. That's why they suck. They don't take risks.

isarai1629d ago

"Isarai is actually wrong. Those same developers Microsoft bought created or ported games to VR."

When did i say they didn't? Im saying they should focus on doing what MS promised first in building core, 1st party exclusive games back to the level they used to be if not better. Accomplish that promised goal before taking on VR.

gangsta_red1629d ago

Thank you for proving my point, but let me say it again.

"Where's the known awesome Sony IP games for PSVR? God of War, Uncharted, Killzone, etc, etc? Sony was able to do this in the beginning for Vita but for some reason not PSVR."

As I said before, all I'm reading are tech demos, A and AA games for an expensive peripheral that is still niche after being how long on the market?

Not convincing at all and you definitely hit it home with your list.

"Microsoft is just lazy and would rather hoard money than make games."

Lmao, yes, all those studios they bought and one from scratch is definitely lazy and not wanting to make games.

"To say they don't have enough developers to make regular games and VR games is ridiculous"

Because you're definitely at the heart of game development and should know first hand right? Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, Etc, Etc, where are their high quality triple A VR games since Sony has so many and it's so easy as you implied.

"And would only jump in if someone else made VR a hit."

So why haven't they if Sony has had so many hits with VR as you said? You keep contradicting yourself trying desperately hard to make MS look bad but in turn just proving how VR is not where it should be being on the market for this long.

I keep noticing you avoiding that point in order to keep listing demos and AA VR games.

Unspoken1629d ago

"Microsoft is just lazy and would rather hoard money than make games. Phil said no to VR. But it's not because they can't as I proved above. It's because they don't want to. And would only jump in if someone else made VR a hit. That's why they suck. They don't take risks."

Please leave troll. I don't know how you receive votes as you have no clue what you're talking about based off this conclusion. They don't take risks...lmao, that's all they have done.

ApocalypseShadow1629d ago (Edited 1629d ago )

Isarai, they have plenty of developers to do both. Supporting VR would be supporting the Xbox platform regardless. It doesn't make sense that they have more resources than Sony but do a whole lot less. Kinect, the console, those 7 MR headsets.

Sony supporting PSVR is still supporting the PlayStation platform. You can't play it without the PS4. That means that there is only one platform. The PS4.

Gangster, you call everything tech demos. And only think that RE7 is the only game. You don't know better. And are just making excuses. You said first party. I gave you first party. You're just moving the goalposts.

Unspoken, yes.They are lazy. 7 pc headsets and no VR games. Kinect had no games worth mentioning this gen. Microsoft's game output was lacking this gen. Which is why they bought all those developers. Because Sony embarrassed them with their developers and games. Try harder next time.

derek1629d ago

MS the ultimate bandwagoners. Still dont know why such a big bloated corporate entity like MS is in the console business.

gangsta_red1629d ago

@Shadow

I see yet again you're avoiding the question...here, let me ask you for the third time...

"Where's the known awesome Sony IP games for PSVR? God of War, Uncharted, Killzone, etc, etc? Sony was able to do this in the beginning for Vita but for some reason not PSVR."

ApocalypseShadow1629d ago

And yet again gangster, you think VR is only viable if it has Killzone and Uncharted. Like it has to be those games or nothing. That's your problem. You also said RE7. Another brand name game. Since you don't know of anything else in VR, that's all you mention.

I can say Xbox has no games but Halo, Gears and Forza. Is that actually true? Is the same thing you're saying. Go research what's good in VR and learn something.

TK-661628d ago (Edited 1628d ago )

@apocalypse shadow

Let me try rephrasing gangsta_red's question for you: Can you name one game exclusive to VR, on PC or console, that has a budget comparable to a high quality AAA title and is considered a must buy game for the platform? The closest I can see is potentially HL: Alyx (assuming it lives up to the quality part).

No ones saying VR has no games or even very few, but that the platform definitely doesn't have a big system seller title.

gangsta_red1628d ago (Edited 1628d ago )

@tk

He definitely won't answer that, he can't even answer why Sony won't support their own headset with big titles.

@Shadow

"Is the same thing you're saying."

No, it's not and your inability to answer a simple question and your continued deflection further proves my point.

I never said VR had no games. In fact I made it a point that they mostly had tech demos and A/AA games, I literally asked you where are the big name titles from Sony for PSVR. But again, this is your way of changing the argument so you don't have to address any points and at the same time rally the troops to your side with some false implication of what I said.

Look at the Vita, Sony was able to get some well known IPs on it in the beginning, not so much PSVR. Hell, even MS was able to get a couple for Kinect.

I also love the "do your research" excuse when you can't answer anything. You used it a few times in your replies when stuck.

ApocalypseShadow1628d ago (Edited 1628d ago )

TK-66, your problem and gangsters is that you're trying to compare console budgets of 40 million players or 100 million players to 5 million players. That's where you fail.

Do you really believe say, a company like Rockstar, or even Sony, would spend 100 million dollars on 5 million players. And that's before marketing expenses.

Blood and Truth is Sony's big budget game of 2019 that came out. Just like Astrobot was for 2018. Just like Iron Man will be for 2020. That's not counting all the companies that Sony published games for PSVR every year it's been out. I even listed some above like Firewall and Farpoint. Or kept exclusive like RE7 VR mode or Ace Combat 7 VR mode.

Games like Asgard's Wrath and Stormland are Facebook's big budget titles. There's more but I already know what's there. You And gangster don't care either way. Valve didn't have any big budget title. All they were doing was making headsets and controllers. They finally got around to making a game for them.

Microsoft said no. So the fans are saying no. Even when Microsoft clearly has 5 developers who have made VR games or ports like Hell Blade or Mage's Tale already. With Flight Simulator coming up.

But if you don't see that it wouldn't make sense for a business to spend more budget than the amount of players there, then I don't know what to tell you. The budget you spend is based on the amount of users. And Blood and Truth was a hit. So was Astrobot.

Gangster's original comment stated first party. I gave him 2. Her just doesn't want to see those 2 because it doesn't fit his narrative. He said Sony wasn't spending resources. I listed multiple games Sony published. So he's goalpost shifting.

crazyCoconuts1628d ago

These guys live in parallel universe if they're criticizing Sony and VR. Out of all the headsets, Sony pushed the most in terms of content exclusivity, and the most impressive thing is that they got it to work on a base PS4. I just got a Rift S for Xmas, and as old as the PSVR is there are still things I like better about it. They took a big risk and did a magnificent job with it. And from the looks of it, they have a new model in the works for PS5. Splitting hairs with some of these guys isn't worth the effort.

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TK-661628d ago (Edited 1628d ago )

@Apocalypse Shadow

Your comment is basically one long way of saying you cant name a single game that fits the criteria I offered.

***Do you really believe say, a company like Rockstar, or even Sony, would spend 100 million dollars on 5 million players. And that's before marketing expenses.***

Nope. Could you tell me where I specified 100 million as the minimum? I said AAA, and in case you're unaware there are AAA games that cost far less than that. Otherwise you're basically saying games like H:ZD, Heavy Rain, GoW3, GeoW1, GeoW2 arent AAA.

***Blood and Truth is Sony's big budget game of 2019 that came out.***

And does Firewall, Farpoint, or B&T it hit the criteria I gave? Is it a high quality AAA title that is considered a must own game for VR that pushed the system in the way we see major non-VR releases do? If so provide the sales data and how they pushed the platform. Also, you're naming games that arent exclusive to VR. RE7 and AC7 can be played without VR, so it's not exclusive and didn't push the system.

***Games like Asgard's Wrath and Stormland are Facebook's big budget titles.***

And do they fit the criteria I offered? You're doong everything you can to avoid passing judgments on these games but I'm afraid it reveals the position VR is in. It doesnt have one major system seller comparable to a AAA title that cannot be played without VR.

***Valve didn't have any big budget title. All they were doing was making headsets and controllers. They finally got around to making a game for them.***

And no other VR game looks even close to as good as HL:Alyx. I'll even be picking up one of Valves headsets just to play it and I'm sure millions of others are in a similar boat.

***So the fans are saying no. Even when Microsoft clearly has 5 developers who have made VR games or ports like Hell Blade or Mage's Tale already. With Flight Simulator coming up.***

Are they high quality AAA games that are exclusive to VR and considered a major system seller for the platform? No? https://youtu.be/gqCcJkRcva...

I'm going to take your comment as one long 'No'. As you couldn't provide a game that fit the criteria.

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Obscure_Observer1629d ago

@isarai

Totally agree.

@IamTylerDurden

"Sony has even more actual first party studios and they still manage to support VR."

Sony have LESS first party studios than MS. And one of the reasons, is because Shu Yoshida shut down two first party studios that supported VR, Guerrilla Cambridge and Evolution.

"Microsoft also has far deeper pockets than Sony, so what exactly is the excuse? Xbox doesn't even make Kinect games anymore, so why not support VR?"

Know your facts. Phil Spencer is supporting not just one, but two Ninja Theory´s VR projects, both focused on mental illness treatment and mental health awareness through games.

"If Series X doesn't natively support VR from the jump, it would be pretty disappointing."

So consired yourself disappointed. Series X may support third party VR hardware from VALVE and Oculus donw the road. No plans for native/proprietary Xbox VR set.

"Put your money where your mouth is and use the engineers you are always bragging about that built the 1X to do something other than a home console."

No. Thank you.

TheSaint1629d ago

Care to prove that Sony have fewer first party studios?

Don't worry I know you won't.

Obscure_Observer1629d ago (Edited 1629d ago )

@TheSaint

You know nothing.

Xbox Game Studios - 15 first party studios

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

Sony Interactive Entertainment Worldwide Studios - 13 first party studios

https://www.playstation.com...

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TheSaint1623d ago

Didn't think you'd have much to say after that, how about you stop being such a liar?

Obscure_Observer1623d ago (Edited 1623d ago )

@TheSaint

"Didn't think you'd have much to say after that, how about you stop being such a liar?"

Dude, how OLD are you?

Liar? I brought you OFFICIAL information from Sony's OFFICIAL site regarding their first party studios and the best you can do after 5 days is come out with anonymous/unverified info from wikipedia? Really?

Maybe you should call and expose Sony as the real "liars" instead, since 13 first party studios is exactly what they claim to have.

You know what? I´m tired of discussing gaming with such ignorant brats like you. Stop follow me around and do never reply me again. Continue to do so and I´ll get your a$$ reported!

Happy gaming

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OB1Biker1628d ago (Edited 1628d ago )

Support VR doesn't necessarily mean develop VR games. I dont get this logic. Sounds BS excuse to me.

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IamTylerDurden11629d ago

Weirdly enough Phil claimed that XB1X would support VR then he went silent on the issue. Microsoft was even making a voice based VR game and that went silent. It's odd that people don't hold him accountable.

AngelicIceDiamond1629d ago

Nobody want's VR from MS at this time. MS has enough 1st party problems as it is. Everyone knows this, journalist's YT the fans the Xbox brand in its entirety. shifting focus and doing something that nobody is asking MS to do will do serious harm, harm that would be irreversible this time around.

It would be the same scenario where They forced Kinect in most of its studios only for most of them top flop. So your idea is a horrible idea.

Unspoken1629d ago

They would need to have multiple studios churning out VR for a small fraction of users. They know it's not sustainable at the moment
It would be wise of them to work on their player/installation base first, then take a jab at VR. Maybe a Surface inspired VR headset as the tech matures.

HighPlayer281629d ago

Its weird that ps fans want Microsoft to do VR when they hate Xbox. Why do you ps fans care so much about VR it's niche and most Xbox fans do not give a damn about it.

Sono4211629d ago

"most Xbox fans do not give a damn about it."

I think everyone regardless of brand preference has dreamed of a great VR experience since first getting into gaming. I want Xbox to get into VR because competition always brings out the best product. I would say lack of competition is the main reason the Pokemon games have gotten so bad, with no real competitor for the creature collecting series Pokemon has started going backwards in progress and releasing rushed poorly coded messes.

Not saying this exact situation would happen with VR, just pointing out that competition really helps produce the best product. Not to mention if both main consoles have VR options next gen, it will encourage more developers to make VR games, or at least add the option to their games.

As far as i'm concerned it would be a win all around.

gangsta_red1629d ago

Because VR wasn't viable. An expensive extra peripheral with hardly any worth while games.

Why would they invest in something like that? Especially if it would only be compatible with Xbox X, a niche console that (supposedly, according to folks here) not everyone own?

I can see the complaints from folks now, the same way they would complain about Kinect.

FGHFGHFGH1629d ago

That's understandable but why go out and say that xbox one x will support it? Should've kept his mouth shut instead of saying bs.

D__RAiL1629d ago

VR is no longer niche and HMDs on PC are selling out fast and for months. There are already 50 titles I can name that make VR worth getting into now. VR is not a peripheral it's ..it's not a steering wheel or keyboard or mouse...this is why people think its expensive..again VR is not a peripheral its pretty much its own system with its own unique games...stop spreading misinformation. VR is actually pretty affordable for any serious gamer. I dont even have a good job and I am able to buy a Rift S easily. 350 dollars is nothing.

gangsta_red1629d ago

At the time they probably where. But plans change.

xX-oldboy-Xx1629d ago

Like Kinect you mean? Yet that got bundled with a launch console from ms - even going as far as to say you couldn't operate xbox one without it.

There's no excuse from ms - they have the coin, the industry is clearly interested in pursuing VR.

There's just no easy money yet in VR, no cash cow to exploit. That's why ms is reluctant to support it.

gangsta_red1629d ago

@xx-oldboy
"Like Kinect you mean?"

Yes, I'm pretty sure I said Kinect in my original comment. No money to be made the same way there's none at the moment for VR.

"..they have the coin, the industry is clearly interested in pursuing VR."

Clearly? Lmao, so clear that after being in the market for years, Valve had to come out with Half Life 3 to get some buzz on VR. Clearly the industry is interested.

"There's just no easy money yet in VR,"

Like Kinect?

The Wood1629d ago (Edited 1629d ago )

Red. . You shouldn't compare kinect to vr. . That's slyly disingenuous. Vr isn't just Sony whereas kinect was just Microsoft. Phil can change his mind of course. It's fine to blow smoke up people's rare ends or posture/lie. . They all do it right. . . .lol

There are some quality games on vr. . Some of which have scored higher than conventional games. It shouldn't matter where they come from just that they're on the platform. Beat sabre for example. . I don't know who made it but it's a solid game. Vr is growing fellas and Sony took a smarter risk with it than ms did with kinect which died fast even though they forced it on earlier x1 adopters. . . So friendly

Happy 2020 fellas

Unspoken1629d ago

Because it likely wasn't BS at the time? Seriously how did that affect you to the point it shattered your dreams? Lol

ApocalypseShadow1629d ago (Edited 1629d ago )

Yup. No money to be made.

Super Hot 2 million dollars in one week
https://www.google.com/amp/...

Boneworks 3 million dollars in one week.
https://www.google.com/amp/...

Don't let Gangster lie to you. Job simulator dev purchased by Google. Beat saber dev purchased by Facebook. Because they have hits and made lots of money.

Yup. No money to be made gangster./s

Chris121628d ago (Edited 1628d ago )

Don'r let Shadow lie to you with his anti-Xbox propaganda. Gangsta didn't say 'there is no money to be made' and usefully missed the context of what he did say.

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Vasto1629d ago (Edited 1629d ago )

No thanks, VR is still not there yet. When you keep talking about only 1 VR game that does not even look that good then that is a problem.

Keep the focus on 1st party and Game Pass. Looking foward to buying my Series X and coming home to every 1st party title to play. Microsoft is rumored to have about 13 titles at launch!

gangsta_red1629d ago

Till this day RE 7 remains the only game worth playing in VR.

And it took a new Half Life for VR to get some mainstream attention. It's definitely not where it needs to be at the moment.

ApocalypseShadow1629d ago (Edited 1629d ago )

Total lie and fabrication Red. My list would be too long to post. Keep lying to yourself. And Phil thinks there's no money to be made. The Super Hot developer just made 2 million more dollars in one week. And the Bone Works developer made 3 million dollars in one week. Looks like money to me as more gamers jump into VR. And headsets are on back order.

And Vasto acts like any game made in VR from Microsoft wouldn't be "first party." Where some of their developers already made VR games. You only speak of game pass because they groomed you on subscriptions and services. You got suckered into the idea of paying monthly fees just like they groomed you on XBL and EA access.

D__RAiL1629d ago

@ Gangsta_red these are all amazing VR titles. It's pretty obvious you never played anything besides one PSVR title if any at all. Asgards Wrath, Stormland, Half Life Alyx, Walking Dead Saints and Sinners, Boneworks, Robo Recall, Pavlov, Super Hot, Beatsaber, Vader Immortal, Lone Echo, Pistol Whip, Audica, Defector, Moss, After the Fall , Walking Dead: Onslaught, Blood & Truth, Astrobot, Espire 1, Until You Fall, Creed, Final Assault, Journey of the gods, Phantom Covert Ops and Wilsons Heart are just a few games at the top of my head. These are all amazing games but because some people are such haters they just spread complete lies and misinformation.

zahdab1629d ago

Beat saber
asgard's wrath
stormlands
tetris effect
blood and truth
trover saves the universe
superhot VR
Job Simulator
pistol whipp
Robo Recall
and the list goes on ... there's plenty for VR for those who actually want to play ... so not really i think u're just living in your own bubble

1Victor1629d ago

@gansta
Yeah only RE7? because there isn’t any Sony first party VR games worth it when games like Astro bot rescue missions look and play better than some regular games Moss.
The problem with Microsoft is their sheepfans like you that eat whatever Microsoft say and believes it Phill said “I’m happy to announce that Xbox one X will be the first console to support high fidelity VR” You all was happy and saying a better VR is coming to console Microsoft is in talk to bring oculus to XB1X and it will destroy Sony low quality VR.
When confronted about it phill said the tech is unproven and they would not support it , now you all defend it like it was sword from god instead of holding Microsoft to the same standards you hold Sony

gangsta_red1629d ago

@Shadow
"Looks like money to me as more gamers jump into VR. And headsets are on back order."

Lmao, keep telling yourself that Shadow especially when PSVR and the other headsets isn't anywhere near the sales of customers who bought consoles and PCs.

But I understand your need to keep shilling VR and at the same time shit on MS.

"You got suckered into the idea of paying monthly fees just like they groomed you on XBL and EA access."

Says the guy who pays monthly for PS+ and has the absolute need to always defend VR at all costs.

Too funny

Unspoken1629d ago

VR is probably a bit more popular than you are giving credit for. There are a few games out now at the end of 2019, but...it's still an additional peripheral your have to purchase separately. The main reason Sony has VR headsets sold is because of how inferior the quality is and how large the install base is. Mixed reality is on Windows for the same reason. Give it time and MS will eventually develop a plan for it if it takes off. At the moment though pick up an Oculus and enjoy.

The Wood1629d ago (Edited 1629d ago )

You're sounding like a hater brother. . . I get it. . . It's Sony's thing but there's been better releases on vr than you're acknowledging. It may not be for you but there's clearly a growing market and Sony are in at the sharp end

'Lmao, keep telling yourself that Shadow especially when PSVR and the other headsets isn't anywhere near the sales of customers who bought consoles and PCs.'

. . . When was that the barometer. . Is the fact the psvr is the highest selling vr unit lost on you. It's an optional extra. . another way to play. Are you saying it's only worth it if it sells to high ratio of current owners? If so it'll be interesting to judge the worth of the 1x on sales cause Ms be hella quiet. .

ApocalypseShadow1629d ago (Edited 1629d ago )

Actually, I pay for no subscription service. Including PS Plus. I don't play online. And there's too many sales, flash sales and discounts at retail that made Plus unnecessary. Haven't had it for a year. Don't need it.

You just embarrassed yourself.

gangsta_red1629d ago (Edited 1629d ago )

Lol!

@thewood

Me sounding like a hater? That's a hip thing to say when there's no argument to be made.

"It's Sony's thing but there's been better releases on vr than you're acknowledging."

Like? I keep reading these comments of all these "cool" releases and yet no one is naming any. I keep reading the same tired AA games. You all go on and on about MS, cheap game pass games and such but then turn right around and make the same argument for PSVR...not even VR.

It must get tiring moving those goal posts.

"Is the fact the psvr is the highest selling vr unit lost on you."

In a market that isn't popular or selling big numbers to begin with? Wow! Celebration time!

Where's the big name games from Sony for VR Wood, Shadow, DRail, Zahdab? Where's the HZD, Uncharted, God of War, Killzone, Twisted Metal, Ratchet and Clank, TLoU...where are all these spectacular, single player, cinematic, emotional, triple A games for PSVR?

I guess there is Job Simulator and....Robo Recall....lol, how many years ago was that?

Knushwood Butt1629d ago

I'm buying PSVR Worlds and Farpoint in the current sales.

I hope they are worth playing.

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D__RAiL1629d ago

Asgards Wrath, Stormland, Half Life Alyx, Walking Dead Saints and Sinners, Boneworks, Robo Recall, Pavlov, Super Hot, Beatsaber, Vader Immortal, Lone Echo, Pistol Whip, Audica, Defector, Moss, After the Fall , Walking Dead: Onslaught, Blood & Truth, Astrobot, Espire 1, Until You Fall, Creed, Final Assault, Journey of the gods, Phantom Covert Ops and Wilsons Heart are just a few games at the top of my head. These are all amazing games but because some people are such haters they just spread complete lies and misinformation.

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zahdab1629d ago

where is VR for you ? coz the people that play it love it ... if you dont that's your opnion doesnt mean that VR isn't there, it just means its not your thing

ApocalypseShadow1629d ago

Right now they're just making excuses because Phil is making excuses. When and if Phil changes his mind, they'll change their mind. Lemmings.

IRetrouk1629d ago

Vr is only getting better, its growing steady and the experiences are getting better too, cant wait to see what the next round of headsets are like, ms will support vr on consoles at some point.

Nacho_Z1629d ago

It's in its early days but Sony is currently miles ahead in terms of VR. If MS don't make a big effort fairly soon I think they'll struggle to catch up in the long term.

Only time will tell how dominant VR will be but not backing it is a significant mistake imo.

D__RAiL1629d ago

well they have WMRs which are not great but they will be ok when they enter the race...they really dont rely on exclusives anymore and they do alright. If they throw a bunch of VR titles on Gamepass they will find success and probably just work with Lenovo and design an Inside out HMD when the time comes...They are definitely going to enter the race but after a few years when the series x launches.

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Multiplayer JRPG 'Soul Covenant' Coming to All Major VR Headsets Next Month

Thirdverse, the Japan-based VR studio behind Swords of Gargantua, Altair Breaker, and X8, announced that its VR multiplayer JRPG SOUL COVENANT is coming to all major headsets next month. Developed by the core team behind SOUL SACRIFICE (2013), players are thrust into a post-apocalyptic Tokyo in the franchise’s first VR expansion.

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“Survival horror and VR go well together” - Producer Hints possible VR Version for the RE Series

In a very recent development, Capcom has announced that the VR mode for the “Resident Evil 4” remake is scheduled to be added on the 8th of December as an update and will support the full main story campaign, offering an unprecedented gaming experience to its users. However, RE Series fans have another reason to rejoice as there is a possibility that RE Series might get a VR Version in the future.

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Abnor_Mal195d ago

This I would welcomed, haven’t replayed any of the older games since released years ago. VR would definitely get me to replay them all again. Make it happen Capcom.

MrBaskerville195d ago

Psvr2 version of Re7 and Re2Remake would be fire.

Tacoboto195d ago

Capcom porting anything to SteamVR would be fire.

Petebloodyonion195d ago

You can already play RE 2-3-7-8 on PC via VR mods (Praydog) they offer hand-tracking movement (like PSVR2 Village) and full VR cutscenes.
THE RE7 mod is better compared to the old PSVR version due to hand tracking.
https://youtu.be/4MAu4p59Wu...

Tacoboto195d ago

Modding != Official Support

Petebloodyonion195d ago

"Modding != Official Support"
And?
You can still play it in VR and worse it shows that this is far from a complicated feat requiring a full studio with tons of money since it's been done by 1 guy working on this mod from time to time.
So basically this could have been done by Capom a long time ago.

And again You should try (it's pretty easy to install) for Res7 for It's improved even on the PSVR version of the game.

Vanfernal195d ago

Spencer Mansion in VR would be AMAZING. That is my favorite video game setting of all time.

Babadook7195d ago (Edited 195d ago )

Itchy... tasty... More RRR EEE!!

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VR isn't ready for a "must-play" experience

Reggis Fils-Aimé is right about VR needing "must-play" games, but the sector isn't ready to play host to that kind of cultural phenomenon.

What will it take for VR to grow beyond its niche status and become an important commercial pillar of the games industry? It's quite literally a billion dollar question – many billions, in fact.

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Knushwood Butt471d ago

'What will it take for VR to grow'

More people to try it instead of making out they are not interested in it.

I wasn't an early adopter of PSVR and was pretty sceptical about it before I finally made the plunge. Got PSVR2 day one.

1Victor470d ago

Shusssssh 🤫don’t tell them psvr had a FPS multi player vr game

ApocalypseShadow470d ago (Edited 470d ago )

Knush hit it right on the head. More people to try it.

Reggie isn't entirely wrong. But he's not entirely right either. Must play games are already here and has led many to buy VR to experience these "must play" games TODAY. That must play game depends on the individual. He's looking for that one game where everyone has to play it. Gaming doesn't work that way. Maybe he's thinking of a Mario VR game. But a Mario style VR game already exists with Astrobot. It just costs a lot for many to buy in to try it. When they did get to try it, they found an amazing game filled with fun and innovation that would match any Mario game made. But the VR industry has a long road ahead. It's not on someone's time line. Not even Reggie's.

That's with anything new on the market. Cars. Cellphones. TVs. Etc. None of these things were a breakout hit overnight. People riding horses probably thought cars were a novelty. Niche. Now, cars have replaced horses. Millions are used daily. Did it take a particular horse to ride for everyone to see that cars were great to get around in? No. It was only cost and availability for everyone to try it and find their own use for it.

Cellphones were expensive at one time. A brick in your hand. Once they became cheaper, built with more practical uses, cellphones were in billions of hands. TVs were for only a few consumers. Once it was affordable for everyone to enjoy, billions bought a TV and regularly use it daily.

Consoles didn't arrive to where they are overnight. It took decades. Not everyone had a game console on my street. Just a few of us. Others had to come over to try it. Same with computers. Same damn thing. Cost and availability to try them. Now, millions upon millions use them daily.

Just because Reggie speaks doesn't mean he's right on things. Yeah. Maybe it would take console manufacturers to switch over to a product that has VR built in day one that's affordable that still plays flat games. That day isn't here yet because it would be expensive to buy and try it. But that day of affordability is coming. If Nintendo built a Switch 2 that has built in VR, the days of VR being accepted would shorten from decades to one decade or less. Same if Apple or Google built a phone with VR built in day one. Then, all the developers would have to fall in line and build VR content. VR today is on a natural growth path. It's not leaving anytime soon or dying off like 3D TV.

Raider and Einhander made great points along these lines.

Fiddlerblue470d ago (Edited 470d ago )

People might not be interested in VR for a variety of different reasons.

It might make them motion sick (it does for me), they might not like the idea of strapping a big device to their head that pretty much completely locks them out of the real world, etc.

But the biggest reason is price vs the amount of quality software. You buy a game console on the promise and trust that quality games that you enjoy are going to come to it. This is a trust built of decades of past experience between the consumers and the brand/platform. That trust and past experience vs the asking price will pretty much determine if a consumer will purchase a piece of hardware or not. VR just doesn't have that trust built up yet and the asking price is still high but these things take time. There's no "magic bullet" game that will make everyone go out and buy a headset unless there's already a sizable library of other top-notch games available that they think they will also enjoy.

There's also the distinct possibility that VR tech as it is right now is just destined to be niche and will remain so until some era when VR eyeglasses with touch activated smart glass or or something crazy like that are a possibility. The market will determine it.

XBManiac470d ago

Well... good quality VR has been very expensive for years. To play Half-Life: Alyx in good shape you needed a high end PC and HQ VR set connected to it. But, now, with Quest 2 or Pico 4 and a wireless connection to a sub 1.000$ PC you can experience the game full quality and maintaining 72/90 fps. If laptops and small format PCs continue improving at the rate AMD is going and VR wireless kits maintain their prices with better and better quality, this only can improve and go wider. Remember that consoles from this generation, PS5 and Xbox Series X are at the 500+ dollars level... 3 years after launch. Prices are not really mainstream for gaming these days and PC continues to be an unfriendly platform for many. What PlayStation is doing is one more step in the right direction, before Facebook, Apple and Valve (does Steam Deck sounds familiar?) jump some steps at once.

H9470d ago

The vast majority of people have better things to do than buy a expansive product to try something that they don't find interest in already, the job of marketing is to make it appealing to you so you make the decision without needing to be 100% sure about it and most of the times, it's that big game that pushes peoe for such decisions, buying something to see if it will be interesting or not is absurd 99% of the times

S2Killinit469d ago

I’ve already found 3 games like that just in the launch window of PSVR2.

H9469d ago

@S2Killinit power to you, most people can't say the same

Knushwood Butt469d ago (Edited 469d ago )

How can you not have interest in something you've never tried?

Do you live your life without trying anything new?

I tried a new restaurant for lunch the other day. It was somewhat hit and miss, but at least now I know, and can use that experience to make a judgement on whether I want to give it another shot or not.

H9469d ago

@Knushwoodbutt sorry it's a bit hard to understand your point since each of us Haven't tried most things out there, does that mean you are interested about everything there is in the world and never see something you haven't tried and think I don't like this sort of stuff? When i look at something i get an idea whether or not it may be to my liking, surprises exist but in if you know yourself you can be correct a lot of the times, and most importantly like I said, nobody in the whole world have time and money to do what you are saying, you are telling me to try VR to see if I am interested or not, when I say I am not interested in horizon they tell me to play it to see, FF VII Remake 2, basically every fandom of every game, and that's just gaming, go to every activity there is, I think you can see that your method of thinking is impossible, you yourself must have ignored tons of things for no reason other than not being interested or else you will not have time to even play VR

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kingnick470d ago

Sorry I have no interest in VR. I prefer most genres with a traditional controller and some genres with KB&M.

Many people simply don't have the money for VR and the money they do have they'd rather spend on traditional games. Other people are not obligated to follow and validate your choices.

TheEroica470d ago

No thanks. I'll game the way I choose.

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bunt-custardly471d ago (Edited 471d ago )

The onus is on the developers themselves. Take PC VR, did you guys know there is a chap called LukeRoss who does flatscreen to VR conversions using a gamepad not motion controls. Yeh, some circles might scoff and say gamepad is not proper VR, but many others would disagree. Giving some examples you can play Elden Ring in VR, Cyberpunk 2077 even Spider-Man. These are all AAA titles that the developers decided not to invest in VR for whatever reason. Yet a single person has managed to do it.

Total madness and the reason we see these sorts of articles.

I'll tell you what guys. If they port Half-Life: Alyx to PSvR 2 then you will see a paradigm shift in attitude towards VR.

crazyCoconuts470d ago

Alyx is good, but it's still just one game. Even with the custom level creation (which is great) I wouldn't say it's going to transform the industry. It certainly didn't for PCVR.
I don't know what it will take to become mainstream. I'm pretty sure it will just don't know when and how. I think it would help if it was integrated into some of the hot flat screen social games like official Minecraft, Fortnite, Apex, COD? Dunno if you could effectively cross play VR and flat in those games but it would help imo

bunt-custardly470d ago

I think the reception of HL:Alyx is more than just "good" is has been widely regarded and credited as one of the best VR games to-date. You are right though, it is one game and perhaps I was being somewhat melodramatic.

Crows90470d ago

Only because of a lack of VR adoption. Most issues with VR stem from it's price of entry.

EvertonFC470d ago

There is loads of great VR games, not just one

JackBNimble470d ago

It's going to remain niche until they start developing AAA games or at least have an option for VR in mainstream games.

If more people are going to buy into it, then you need the software.

Knushwood Butt470d ago

GT7 and RE8 have those options.

After the Fall isn't AAA but I can't wait to dive back into it. In fact, that's what I'm going to do now.

S2Killinit469d ago (Edited 469d ago )

We already have AAA games in VR though. And they are much better than the flat versions.

derek470d ago

@bunt No it will not, ALyx has the same issue in that you can't see how great it is unless you put the headset on and try. But for anyone who actually has played on vr and enjoys it, these meta discussions are always so weird. I played gt7 vr for a solid 5 hours yesterday and it has been the best game I've played this generation because of vr.

S2Killinit469d ago (Edited 469d ago )

Horizon is on par with Half-Life Alyx

But I would love that as well.

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Einhander1971470d ago

The ones who say they aren't bothered haven't probably played VR. If they did they would realise how amazing and immersive it is. The likes of Moss, Rez, Turismo, Thumper, Astrobot, are seriously incredible experiences you won't ever get on a TV. Dont get me wrong VR isn't the be all and end all. It's just another way of enjoying Videogaming.

RaiderNation470d ago (Edited 470d ago )

What will truly usher VR into the mainstream is all the NON gaming applications that can potentially be used with VR. Imagine the NFL offering an NFL Sunday VR ticket where you could sit virtually at the 50 yard line in every stadium! Or what about courtside in every NBA arena? Or ringside at a UFC or boxing pay per view! What about travel? Id love to virtually tour the pyramids of Giza or the Sistine Chapel! Or what about Mars? Imagine they fit the next rover we send to mars with a VR camera that anyone with a VR headset can discover whatever the rover discovers! What about classrooms being taught in VR? Or concerts? The possibilities are endless! VR gaming is cool and all but im looking way beyond that!

After10Ben470d ago (Edited 470d ago )

You bring up an excellent point. I saw some VR footage of an NBA game and it was incredible. I was right under the basket and seeing a professional basketball player's footwork in VR is nothing like watching it from the stands or the TV. Imagine watching the Super Bowl in VR? I also saw a boxing match in VR once and it was equally incredible. I personally loved the Hulu app in VR, because it gave me a peaceful, beautiful virtual living room to escape to for a few hours. After a workout, I would chill out on the virtual beach and watch movies on a giant screen--there's nothing like it. Great point RaiderNation.

EvertonFC470d ago

NASA and SpaceX are looking into VR for the first mars landing, no doubt we will have a live VR feed for the first landing.

shinoff2183470d ago

My buddy brought his vr to work one day to show the couple nba fans there that you could do the Courtside thing. It was really dope. I can't remember what headset though. The nba is always ahead of the curve compared to alot of sports leagues(in the us atleast , I can't tell you about over seas)

z2g470d ago (Edited 470d ago )

Here is my honest take having just bought a psvr2 and living with it for a little bit now and all but abandoning my Quest 2. Just my own truth and my own objective option as someone who just shelled out over $650 to get the latest and arguably best vr experience in my hands.

I regrettably agree with the article. Don’t get me wrong, VR and even specifically in my case PSVR2 Is awesome… but I’m not suddenly wishing MS would now release a headset for my Series X or thinking they are idiots for not doing so. I don’t think it will significantly disrupt or change the majority of my gaming habits. The Quest 2 didn’t either and PSVR2 is SIGNIFICANTLY better.

GT7 and Call of the Mountain are well beyond what my expectations would be in the best possible way, but beyond that, there just aren’t many must have games or mind blowing AAA game experiences (at least for a little while). there’s also the fact that most vr games and even the process of playing them just don’t flow as naturally as just plopping down, grabbing a controller and going for it. There’s work and setup involved and the gameplay is usually a bit different and sometimes more complicated (even if it is cool). There’s a mental tax there.

I am really impressed with psvr2 and it’s exceeded my expectations,but I can already tell that it’s going to be an occasional thing and not my go to thing. That’s not a knock on it, that’s just reality that will result. A majority of times I’m gonna plop down on the couch and get into some COD or GTA online or God of War or whatever the hit game at the time is. Even gran turismo (the whole reason I even got the headset), I can already tell I’m not gonna get that headset out every time I play gt7 (regardless of how amazing it is. eventually I will become numb to that experience and convenience will start to outweigh the desire of vr. I’m not gonna go thru all that to play vr Tetris because I already finished the 2 big vr hit that’s year. It’s too much, and on top of that it’s a very isolated experience most of the time. That’s just reality. At least for me.

RaiderNation470d ago

I mostly agree with you with the exception of GT7. I CANNOT go back to playing that in standard mode after experiencing playing it in VR! That IS the defacto way of playing that game for me now! I feel similarly to RE8, only that game scares the shit out me in VR and I cant play it for long periods of time because my anxiety goes through the roof! Lol.

camel_toad470d ago (Edited 470d ago )

"there’s also the fact that most vr games and even the process of playing them just don’t flow as naturally as just plopping down, grabbing a controller and going for it. There’s work and setup involved and the gameplay is usually a bit different and sometimes more complicated (even if it is cool). There’s a mental tax there."

This is exactly why my psvr1, quest and quest 2 get very little playtime from me compared to just playing regular games. It feels lazy of me because there are great vr experiences and full games but there's the "well I gotta do this and this and this to start playing". Versus sitting with a controller/keyboard mouse.

derek470d ago

@z2g, gt7 has renewed life because of vr. For me its not an either/or situation vr is decisively the way to play that game it's not even close. Reading that comment makes me doubt you even have psvr2. Vr has survived so long and will continue to grow because it offers immersive experiences that a flat screen can't get close to.

Knushwood Butt469d ago

Just came off a GT7 session. One of the end game cafe menus, Toyota WEC Hyper Car at St Croix with a 20 car grid.

Just wow.

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