DSOGaming writes: "During his GTC China 2019 keynote presentation, NVIDIA's CEO Jensen Huang claimed that the GeForce RTX2080 is more powerful than a next-gen console."
A $750 GPU being more powerful than a $500 next generation console? Crazy. Seeing as how Death Stranding won best graphics award from John at Digital Foundry considering there’s PC GPUs alone that cost twice as much as current gen consoles. Consoles are super efficient and PlayStation developers make some of the best looking games around. PS5 exclusives will drop jaws I’m sure.
Yep... a 750€ heavily overpriced graphics card better be more powerful then a next gen console...
Jin_Sakai "Consoles are super efficient " the consoles are nothing without AMD. both Sony and MS are making their boxes to accommodate AMD's configurations. i would just accept it, PC is fueling the gaming industry as a whole. it's been that way for 3 generations now.
It's never as straight forward as that, when next gen kicks in that will become the base for the game engines, so you could buy this card and the game engine maybe bound with the 8 core CPU.
@Tech5 please, Sony is the only company pushing gaming forward. The best graphics have been mostly in PS4 exclusives since 2013. PC is more powerful but no one is utilizing that power.
@kornholic Since 2013?? LOL try 2009! Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 pretty much had reviewers and graphic enthusiasts dropped their jaw that year and 2010 with GoW3, Sony had sealed the graphic crown long before 2013.
@tech Really dude? Consoles are definitely the primary fuel for the game industry right now when it comes to keeping this car running.
Tech5 Very true. PC gaming is the backbone of the gaming industry and the amount of buthurt disagrees that you got won't change that.
“i would just accept it, PC is fueling the gaming industry as a whole. it's been that way for 3 generations now.” @tech5 No. AMD makes far more from consoles than it does from PC. Consoles sell far more games which in turn help fund large scale games. Consoles are what have fuelled the gaming market not PC.
Yes but they came out in 2018 vs a late 2020 console. The next gen consoles are not a massive jump in compute. The rtx 2080 struggles with Ray tracing and keeping high frame rate and resolution.
Yes, it's an RTX 2080 Max-Q, the mobile edition with half the clock speed @ approx 90 watts is what he is saying can wipe the floor of Next Gen consoles. Their claim is a laptop chip released 6 months ago can beat a console which hasn't even hit the street yet.
Kornholic Yeah Sony is consistently using mocap, face capture and now they are capturing real environments . Hellblade and a Plague Tale are one of the few games outside of Sonys development that use this stuff and its a shame because it just looks way better.
@Tech5 I guess some people don't remember that PC gaming crashed hard, and it would have taken way longer for it to recover if it weren't for console gaming remaining strong. Also many developers know they can make more money on consoles that's why they port their games. I will gladly take the close nature of consoles that talented developers push vs the raw power of PC that rarely gets used to it's full potential.
Obvious things we always knew. PC will be always more powerful but it comes with hefty price tag...
Death Stranding will look way better on PC than it does on PS4 Pro. I mean come on....that's obvious. It's 30FPS on console for a start! Double it already for a decent PC. As for thinking Uncharted 2 lead the way for visuals in 2009, well sorry but there was this little PC game 2 entire years before that in 2007 that says otherwise. It was a game that matched and even surpassed in some areas what early games on the next gen consoles were pushing out SIX YEARS LATER. Crysis. Absolutely nothing on console got REMOTELY close to that game for 6 entire years, not some 720p 30FPS PS3 game. Just on high settings and 1080p native (which was achievable on reasonable hardware in 2009) it was glorious and a generation beyond everything on PS3. Geez some people know nothing....
@realms I'm not sure consoles helped pc gaming recover so much as they probably assisted in the crash? @babadook7 Intel is far more computers than AMD so uh..duh AMD makes more on console? Also your statement about console selling "far more games" is actually completely false. I don't know the numbers for this past year but the gap was pretty small last year so I doubt much has changed.
@Tech5 If PC is fueling the gaming industry, why are all games for PC always 2-4 years behind the current hardware available from these hardware makers. Both in design, and features? Sometimes they get some of the new features tacked on, but it's typically a while before the newest cards start getting used.
The other guy doing the show with him gave it to Metro Expdus, DS is also coming to PC, so two multiplats won lol.
But it was played on a console. So a PS4 game got that graphics award, no one knows how it looks on PC.
It won when it was on PS4 only. lol indeed.
But to get metro to look like the way they showed, you needed a very strong PC death stranding amazed on just a PS4 Pro even the base ps4 version looks fantastic soooooooooo🙄
2pacalypsenow Judging by pretty much every other mulitiplat on the market, i'm sure it will look better. S2Killinit OP is acting obviously to the advantages of more powerful hardware on PC, you want all the bells and whistles you're going to pay a lot more. When DS comes to PC it won't be 1080p/Checkboard 4k at 30 fps obviously, using Hardware below the RTX 2080 i'm sure 60 fps at higher resolution's won't be a challenge based on other games available. It's also just two guys from Digital Foundry talking about which games they thought looked best this year and each gave two different answers, it's merely a fun video. GTgamer That's because a lot is going on, of course you need a strong PC when you're using real time global illumination instead of it being baked in ect.
John is also an incredibly bias shill less about tech than Alex and Richard. Can't take any of his reviews or recommendations seriously. Death Stranding does have some great motion/facial capture tech copied straight into the game for the in game cutscenes/movies which means less work for artist, ironically, and much less stress on the engine due to the scripted nature. Putting it On PC will make it look that much better if the don't do a worthless job on porting it.
That 2080 won't get maxed out until long after the consoles release, that's the issue. PC games aren't just written to run on the top of the line hardware, they have to make sales to the millions of PC owners with mid-range gear, so they make games targeted at mid-rage that can run at higher quality, resolutions, and framerates on top-tier machines. Consoles, being a closed ecosystem, they can do a lot more with maximizing power without having to worry about it eating into their potential install base.
I just wish companies like Crytek back in the day of OG crysis still existed. Pushing PC hardware as far as possible. Shame really.
That's why they don't do that anymore, not that many people have top of the line PCs to game on, and when you make games just for those people, you don't sell a lot of games.
It doesn't cost anywhere near that price to make the graphics card. They just have to sell them at high markups to cover the cost of selling so few ( relatively).
"Seeing as how Death Stranding won best graphics award from John at Digital Foundry considering there’s PC GPUs alone that cost twice as much as current gen consoles." This isnt really an argument, the game will look better on PC, besides that was John's opinion, while the other guy picked Metro Exodus
You know those consoles must be something else when NVIDIA, the best GPU maker feels threatened by them.
I did not spend $750 for this card. More like $600 but I got a good deal for it and two free games
agreed, the first in-engine footage we saw of hell blade 2 already dropped many jaws, can't wait til we see more footage from MS and Sony's next gen consoles.
They will be more powerful.
Consoles are not super efficient. Consoles are designed to optimize cost and still deliver a good gaming experience that can be built upon for 3-5 years. The attraction of consoles to developers is their limited number of configurations/revisions. Whereas gaming PCs can have billions of configurations/revisions, consoles have less then 10 configurations/revisions in their lifetime, making targeting them in development "super efficient". There is no tech efficiency in a console that cannot be achieved or exceeded by PC.
No $***!! The Card alone costs more then the whole console. It had better be better than a console.
The card alone is f**king rip just like all of Nvidia 's cards.
I'm sure the 2080 I'd more powerful, but his does Nvidia know that?
Tell that to the butt hurt console gamers lol. The CEO of Nvidia made a factual statement at a keynote presentation. It's his job to sell their products
I'm fairly certain they meant the RTX 2060... Silly peons!!!
The 2080 is 10.7 TF. The Navi architecture has brought AMD and Nvidia's theoretical performance (TF number) to parity. The SeX is going to be 12 TF. It's gonna have more and faster RAM. The PS5 is probably gonna be right around the same power as the SeX. Both consoles as they stand now ARE gonna be more powerful than the 2080.
Ok can you guys stop acting like you know pc gaming at all? Tera Flops have never mattered as a measure performance. GPU performance is only measured by three things, Core clock speeds, Memory clock speeds, and amount of memory.
@Evilryusam "Tera Flops have never mattered as a measure of GPU performance." This is probably the most brain dead thing I've read on this site. That's saying a mouthful. You clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about. TF absolutely IS a valid measurement of GPU performance. What you can't do (mostly) is compare TF across different architectures. 10 TF of the Navi architecture out performs 10 TF of GNC. And gpu performance scales linearly in TF within the same architecture. The GTX 2080 is 10.07 TF" it is out performed 100% of the times by the 2080 Super at 11.4. Also, boosting the core clocks ups the TF, of the card you moron. I don't know why I'm bothering explaining this to a simpleton like yourself. It's not like you even understand anything I've just said anyway.
Well yeah, consoles never had high end GPUs. They dont really need to as they can program closer to the metal given the static specs consoles have. Not saying it'll outperform or rival high end cards like the 2080, but the tend to get a lot of out their relatively moderate GPUs. I mean look at RDR2 on ps4, and thats running on a damn mobile GPU meant for tablets
I figure that the RTX 2080 Super will beat next gen consoles in performance. This is because I believe that the RDNA2 NAVI GPU that the consoles will be using will be a modified version of the RX 5700 or RX 5700 XT, with hardware excelerated ray tracing, which will be an equivalent to either the RTX 2060 Super(compared to the RX 5700) or the RTX 2070 Super(compared to the RX 5700 XT). This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it will be good to finally find out what the next consoles are using, so I can beat it with my next PC build for next gen.
Enjoy next gen PC elitists! Spending more time focusing on your FPS counters in the corner of the screen and jizzing out over your max AA and AF settings, while console gamers enjoy the most cinematically immersive experiences available (playstation as always). Image settings and tech specs don't mean shit when devs rely more on the bells and whistles GPU manufacturers have to offer them to tack onto their games, than relying on talent, perseverance and innovation in the art they produce through their visuals. I'll take the incredible experiences a PS exclusive has over a crispest version of an average multiplat.
"enjoy the most cinematically immersive experiences available (playstation as always)" Imao
This was probably the cringiest thing I’ve ever read.
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Both have great games to immerse yourself in. Get over yourself
Check number one losers. Digital Foundary. THE most reliable, unbiased tech/visual analysis source on the web PERIOD. Stay deluded. https://youtu.be/y_nYcbQv2x...
Yup it's amazing how the devs are able to make these games look so beautiful on 7 year old hardware. That's why I bought my pc so that I can play these graphically impressive games at a higher frame rate, I will even crank the graphics settings down to match console quality graphics to increase framerate.
Actually ps5 gpu rumoured to be if not. More powerful then a rtx2070 super and sits between that and an rtx2080. But who knows nobody knows for sure
keep dreaming boy
Not going to happen. Unless they plan on charging $800.
@Hungry if the rumoured ps5 gpu to run at 2ghz then it could be doesnt mean sony is gonna charge u arm and a leg to buy it
but if the Cpu and Gpu are both made by AMD then there could be less of a barrier than say Nvidia card and Intel cpu , AMD can give the unused CPU Power in something to help out the Gpu or vice versa
@Skatter that's what the cell was good for as it acted like gpu aswell a cpu but hard 2 program for if amd cpu acted the same as cell and easy to program like a normal cpu then sony could of easily made an semi custom 12 core cpu. 8 core as normal usage and the 4 core can offset the gpu load gives more powerful gpu to enhance the gfx more an achieve 4k 60fps or maybe higher
With the essay you put out, trying to make yourself look smart, but damn you're not very bright aren't you? "I figure" Lmao isn't it captain obvious?
No... Likely to be using next Navi with AMD RT tech
Show me. Prove it. Because last time I chech a outdated 7 years ago and let not even talk about today won best graphics games few days ago by every expert. How about nvidia stars making games for their overprices powerful equipment then prove it and show us they are truly good. This is a constructive comment.
Can't wait to play the game that won the best graphics @ 60 fps or I hope I can run it @ 100+ fps. But for now I'm enjoying that game @ 30fps.
So now fps equals better traffics? And we are talking about a 7 years old technology lol or to be fair the pro is like only 5 but the main game base its been used and done on a 7 year old tech that was already very outdated lol and look better than any oc games . Sure even atary can be played in 1000 fps wow how amazing. Since 30fps is playable. Sure 60 or120 is better but i am talking about graphics here. And your attack had to be changed into fps. Weak weak weak. And the disagree are from haters without brain. Why wouldn't you want nvidia to start making their own game to usetheir hardware at max potential? That's a good thing in my view
Um. The 2070 runs games beyond 144fps dude. PS5 isn’t going to do that. These things can be broken down by numbers. The ps5 isn’t coming anywhere near $1000 gpus.
Again with the fps lol we are talking about a game that running on a outdated 7 year old hardware looking better than their most moderd stuff. A d running at 30fps its not like is unplayable or something. 30fps is good! Sure more frames is better i agree nobody is arguing that. And depending on the experience more frames dont always equal better. That depends on the experience . If you want cinematic best reference is 24fps if you want accion fast paste the more frames the better
No ssj, 24 fps is not acceptable for games at all. More frames is ALWAYS better. My god you people pull the weirdest excuses out of your ass
1. Nvidia isn't a developer. They're a tech company specializing in development of graphic processing hardware. That's like asking Wacom to make an animated movie just because they make the hardware that makes it possible. 2. Your grammar is atrocious as fuck.
Its asking them to shut up or prove it. Its not like anything else. Since a game in a 7 year old hardware look better than any on theirs most modern stuff.