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Bioshock: Politics as Form or Matter?

DIDACTIC GAMES VS GAMES WITH POLITICAL SUBJECT MATTER: Bioshock is the -best- extant example of how to incorporate politics in a work of art as subject matter, rather than as a message to impose on consumers.

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wheresmymonkey5d ago

All works of art by their very nature are political. Some are just more subtle than others, Bioshock is about as subtle as a drill to the face. But then again that was kind of the point.

GreenDragonCVR5d ago

We gave up arguing with maoist-inspired "everything endorses a political perspective" types on the internet, but this article draws a distinction between politics as subject matter vs politics as a propagandistic message artist seeks to convey. While bioshock is certainly political in the former sense, we think the notion "all art is political" (in the latter sense) is absurd and dangerous. Requires a species of phenomenalism, belief that it is impossible to produce an artefact or work of knowledge not shackled to irreducibly individual perspective of maker. Math and Mario Kart, practiced and enjoyed across racial, cultural and political bounds, are enough to evince this as false.

wheresmymonkey5d ago

First rule of writing buddy, using an overtly complex lexicon doesn't make you look smarter, it just makes you look like an elitist arsehole.
Second brevity is king.
I disagree because I don't understand basic literary theory really would have been enough of a response.

GreenDragonCVR5d ago

Buddy below responds by calling me elitist while telling me about the "rules of writing" and "literary theory" in same breath. You didn't respond to any of my points and we sure didn't think our lexicon was any more complex than the word "lexicon". We bow to your superior skills in literary theory, (probably of the critical variety, eh? Thank God we "don't understand"). But as I stated, we would be better served reading Mao, who says the same as you (just as disagreeable) without being an insufferable hypocrite: "There is in fact no such thing as art for art's sake, art that stands above classes or art that is detached from or independent of politics. Proletarian literature and art are part of the whole proletarian revolutionary cause; they are, as Lenin said, cogs and wheel in the whole revolutionary machine" https://www.marxists.org/re...

Smokehouse5d ago

I agree with the summary. Bioshock is my favorite game of all time. I was going to read the article but then I saw you quote Lenin, Mao and link to marxists.org and decided it’s probably not worth my time.

GreenDragonCVR5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

We did not link to them approvingly sir I assure you. We argue bioshock proves the above quote from Mao wrong. Thank you for your comment.