Gran Turismo Sport Has Sold an Estimated 8 Million Copies

A recent report from a hedge fund has suggested a new sales figure for Polyphony Digital’s Gran Turismo Sport. It’s a big one too, with the copy total coming in at an estimated 8 million.

[Jin_Sakai]

That’s some big numbers! Excited for GT7 on PS5.

[darthv72]

It's more than GT6 but not as much as GT2 or the others in the mainline series. If it was a proper GT7 then it could have easily done double what GT6 did. It's interesting that the odd numbered releases tend to do better than the even ones.

The series as a whole reads like a roller coaster of ups and downs.
GT1: 11mil
GT2: 9.5mil
GT3: 15mil
GT4: 11.8mil
GT5: 12mil
GT6: 5.25mil
GTS: 8mil

[Imalwaysright]

If it was a traditional GT game, GT would still be the Playstation flagship IP like it was in all the previous generations but it has now been surpassed even by a new IP like Horizon.

[Knushwood Butt]

It's interesting how GT5 got the most stick from 'gaming journalists' yet sold the most.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

@darthv
The more stuff I read from you, the more 'trollish' you come off. Do you realize that GT Sport was released in October 2017? Meaning that in less than 2 years on the market, it has already sold an estimated 8 million copies...And do you realize that all three other GT games you've listed have had at least 5+ years of sale each??? Smh...

Anyways, this is going to be yet another 10+ million entry for the GT series when it's all said and done. Which reminds me that I need to unbox my G29 and get back into the thick of things again. I've been easy too busy and I'm finally getting some me time again.

[NarutoFox]

@Cupid_Viper_3

darthv72 stealth trolls lol

[darthv72]

Hey cupid, just for the record... it's not my fault Sony opted to release GTS late in life. We have been treated to two GT games per console generation since the PS1, and this is the first where not only did we only get 1 but that it isnt even considered as part of the mainline series.

So you can think of me how you want but the numbers are what they are and it is Sony who made the call to do it different this gen. I stand by my comment about there needing to have been a real GT7 for the PS4 but now we may have to wait for the PS5.

[PhoenixUp]

Holy shit this sales report shows that Sony’s first party sales have been extremely successful this gen

- Uncharted 4 has sold over 15 million
- God of War 4 has sold over 12 million units
- inFamous: Second Son has sold over 6 million units
- Horizon: Zero Dawn has sold over 10 million units

Not to mention that

- The Last of Us IP has sold over 19 million units(it apparently sold more on PS4 than on PS3. Since the report says TLOU on PS4 sold more than GoW’s 12 million, it sold more than half on PS4
- Spider-Man moved a lot of units most likely over 10 million
- Gran Turismo Sport continued showing how much of a commercial beast the series is.

Lots of success to be had

[Jin_Sakai]

This is what happens when you have extremely talented studios and support them throughout. I can only imagine what they will achieve with PS5.

[Elda]

Absolutely!!

[Gamenut2050]

Agreed! There is a reason I personally go to Sony every generation. Nintendo is a close 2nd but for entirely different reasons.

[Immagaiden]

Interesting how Kojima Productions is listed as an in-house development studio. You don’t see other second party studios like Insomniac, Quantum Dreams, & Clap Hanz on that list.

I wonder what’s going on with that.

[UltraNova]

That's exactly what cought my eye. If that ever happens KP is most welcome to the PS family.

[yomfweeee]

Likely just a mistake. This isn't anything official from Sony. It says the report is based on publicly available data.

[StoneyYoshi]

Most likely this is due to them using a Sony owned Engine.

[Kribwalker]

Look at the bottom corner of the picture
“Source: VGchartz”
They aren’t real numbers. It’s a 3rd Party Fluff piece like what AMD had made last year that said the PS4 was over 90 million, in april, like 6 months before it hit that

[IRetrouk]

Also says company disclosure as well as vgcharts, and if you look on vgchartz you will see they have gt sport nowhere near 8 mill, Its at 3.77, so where else would they get the numbers from other than sony?

[IRetrouk]

Yeah its in depth that's for sure, i have it downloaded to get a better look later, sonys studios really have knocked it out the park this gen, just means more investment into them, we win as gamers lol

[Kribwalker]

Sony announced in march that only 7.5 million user accounts had played Gt Sport. not sales, so you are telling me the have had millions more in sales since then?

And all of this off of a letter, from a hedge fund, that’s trying to buy up more sony stock, trying to tell sony to sell their semiconductor business and separate its entertainment division from its electronics division?
https://www.wsj.com/article...

It’s not even a sony backed report, using Vgchartz numbers and some numbers from sony, and estimations.

This report is in no way official

[IRetrouk]

And as investors they have to get the correct numbers and info from Sony, hedge fund or not they are investors. its illegal for sony to give investors false numbers or info, we all know its illegal
The numbers dont need to be officially announced by sony to be right, it clearly states that the numbers come from sony as well as other sources.
Say what you want about gts player numbers, no sales were given just that over 7.5 mill had played the game, we dont know what the sales were in march, so you implying they had to have sold millions more to get to 8 mill sold without knowing any numbers, then questioning actual investors numbers is funny man, too funny.
The fact is these numbers are about as close as we will get untill sony themselves give a more up to date number.

[rainslacker]

VGChartz only tracks physical retail sales. I don't know what the mix is for digital vs. physical, but being a primarily online game, it's safe to assume that it's higher than the general average for such things.

[GaboonViper]

🤣🤣🤣

[chiefJohn117]

Let me address all, first off Krib you sound like a hater bruh. For real however you do have a point. When it comes to users Sony announced a few months ago. So something is definitely off but still congrats if accurate

Secondly those mentioning Forza numbers last we heard GP only had 2 million subs. Please correct me if I'm wrong. So ya I'd guess it sold around 8 million as well. And if adding 2 million users via GP is shady to you, I'd disagree. Just like Forza article Congrats. It's always negative with you people and result in war.

[IRetrouk]

They never announced sales numbers at all just that 7.5 mill had played so we dont know how many sales it had, or how many it had to make between march and now to get to 8 mill, what we do know is that Sony cant lie to investors, we also know this company is an investor, the numbers source is quoted as company disclosure.
As for the rest of your comment you wernt so congratulatory of gt sport when you were saying it was irrelevant in the forza player numbers thread, what changed?

[chiefJohn117]

Tekiz that's understandable but it's user based So playing on Console then on pc under the same user won't be counted as two. It's bthe same person under the same account. Aka same user An if you create another profile you won't have access to Gamepass.

IRetrouk i wasn't congratulatory cause it wasn't a news milestone for GT at the time it was about Forza so gt was irrelevant to the subject. So nothing has changed lol. Forza is irrelevant here but ofc people brought it up cause Krib was the og that brought up gt in the Forza article. It's like bringing up Red dead here..... it's irrelevant. You must not know the definition of irrelevant I'm assuming

[IRetrouk]

Lol thats not what you ment by the comment and we both know it, you were downplaying gt plain and simple, wasnt it followed up by "Forza been took the crown before h4 released."
Also
"@Solid I have no clue that why my comment is a reply to him, him bring up get is irrelevant it not even a front runner at this point."

Pure downplay, if all you ment was gt was irrelevant to the conversation you would have just wrote that, you wouldn't have felt the need to downplay with the crown talk and the front runner stuff.

As for the forza stuff, reply to the people mentioning it then, I didnt bring forza up, wasnt part of my conversation, I also dont feel the need to downplay it.

[chiefJohn117]

Retrouk Yes Forza is better than GTS there no secret about that and I stand by it. The irrelevant part was about it to the topic and I say this in the original comment. If you took it otherwise so be it, both reasons would still be justified. Sale numbers doesn't change anything. I play games not sales. Stop trying to turn this into Forza vs GT. Idk if you knew this but Krib is the OP my comment is a direct reply to him. Idk whats with you people with that. Solid did the same thing. My comment is literally a reply to Krib and they ask who it's intended for lol. If it's for someone else I put their name in front, stop acting like you don't know this, that's N4g 101

[rainslacker]

It's a service based game which relies on users more than sales. Since the only way to play the game is to buy it in some way, user count is probably going to be directly tied to sales. Used sales, and multi-uses from a single copy are going to be a portion of it, but that's true for Forza as well. If it was released on a Game Pass type service, then the user count would be higher most likely, but for all intents and purposes, it's still a service based game.

I don't think anything is off with the number, other than saying it's actual sales with authority. 7.5 is what was discerned back in December for number of people that played it. That used official data, and some basic math with variables provided by publicly available data to anyone who has a PSN account. They teach how to make those calculations in basic algebra in middle school.

As far as the Game Pass subs, is that active subs, or total subs to date? With all the free or super cheap trials, some for a week, or month, or several months, it's safe to assume that a lot of people did sign up and never continued. Maybe not the majority....i don't wish to get into a speculative back and forth....but probably enough to greatly inflate the number of FH players. Plus, it's on PC, and it's considered one of the best driving games on the market. PC gamers tend to really like driving games, especially good ones, and I can easily see them wanting to play it. It's also one of the games available on PC game pass.

[IRetrouk]

Lol triggered much? You said it was addressed to all in ur first message, now it's just for krib? Why? because you got called out and dont like it? Lol, Ok man whatever you say,
I didnt mention forza, you did lol so how am I making it forza v gt?? That again is you not me, I dont care what you prefer to play, unless you play gt your view on it is irrelevant, like most of the xbox fans who talk crap about it lol, what's sad is your really poor attempt at downplaying the game and it success, does it hurt you or something? For you to react so badly to this news it must.

[Chevalier]

About the GP subs. Thats not true. The numbers can be easily skewed. I can set up free trial and play Forza Horizon and it would still register me as a unique user without paying the sub or owning the game. So looking at the 10 million users versus subs is useless without sales data. That's why the amount of users is being used as a metric and its a useless one without sales to put context its meaningless which is why I assume Xbox doesn't talk about sales any more. Sales are much more black and white. Metrics can be made up easily that got nothing to do with sales are easily manipulated.

Just look at Kribs assumptions about how much GT Sport has sold. He suggests that the numbers are off that 7.5 million users for GT Sport then turns around and says that they needed to sell millions to get to 8 million?! So conveniently the numbers don't matter because they're not 'real', but, for arguments sake they do matter? Its contradictory. If it was 7.5 million in March and its announced or estimated 8 million now then that 500,000 over 3 month not 'millions'.

[chiefJohn117]

IRetrouk your comprehension level is painfully mind-blowing. 😣 If you can figure out what statement was targeted for when A) I use the person name say "FIRST OFF KRIB" B) I broke it apart and use a different paragraph SAYING "THOSE mentioning Forza number". If you still don't get it then wow...... I feel like a calculus master trying to explain it to some that failed multiplication. It's a waste of time.

@Chev you do have a point. So ya people could do. IRetrouk thinks this part is for him too 😂

[Chevalier]

" @Chev you do have a point. So ya people could do. IRetrouk thinks this part is for him too 😂"

Not sure what's going on with the other commentary, but, as it goes the metrics that Xbox use is absolutely idiotic. Notice that when their sales tanked the 'numbers' only matter if sales aren't involved? When during the 360 era Greenberg was shouting at the top of his lungs and putting out twitter every chance about how much their sales were?

[rainslacker]

Some data that pegged it at 7.5 million sales in December of last year.

https://www.gtplanet.net/gt...

Source, Sony provided data in a promotional video users could create based on their profile, and some basic math using trophy data publicly available on one's PS4 trophy list if they had a PS4, and played the game.

No VGChartz needed. Just a quick look on Wikipedia, and using the source functions down at the bottom.

So I see below, you spun this. So, lets look at what you state. If we're looking at just player counts, what percentage do you put the sales versus the number of players?

The reason I ask, is because why wouldn't that same metric be applicable to MS and Forza? MS has the extra Game Pass factor as well, so where does that settle in? Hard to know the latter because we don't know how many people sub, or how many were just trials that played it, so on and so forth. But, for actual sales, number of players is a comparable metric between the two, yet I'm sure you don't have any problem congratulating MS for getting 10 million players in FH.

[Kribwalker]

That’s players, not copies sold. Just like forza Horizon reports 10 million players, not copies sold, Sony has been announcing players.
https://www.gtplanet.net/5-...
this was just after they had figured it had sold 3.3’million copies, the player count is much higher than copies sold and counts secondary accounts and those that have rented the game, played on their friends system on their accounts etc.

The Article you posted was also corrected to 6.6 million players in january https://www.gtplanet.net/gr...

Then up to 7 million in March from Polyphony
https://www.gtplanet.net/gt...

[rainslacker]

So, 7 million in march, but you want to discredit it all because a source was VGChartz, and leave it at that, instead of just focusing on the potential sales themselves? remember when I said you take something small, and use that to distract from anything meaningful? This is a good case study.

To the rest of it. What is the percentage of people who played versus the number who played? In order to dismantle the sales, you have to at least provide a number, even if purely speculative. at the same time that has to be attributed to the competing product, which recently released the same metric.

But, the biggest difference is, even considering that metric of players played vs, number sold, GT:S has NEVER been given away practically for free through a subscription service, or made available as part of a paid subscription service. They had some free weekend things, but you couldn't gain trophies through it, so the GT:S metric is going to be more closely alligned to sales.

So, 7 million players in March. Three months given the same increase in users over the prior year, would peg it around 7.2-7.4 million or so. While I may have rounded down in the case of an analysis, or been more specific, rounding up isn't unheard of for a general estimate.

To have any discussion though, you still have to posit a sales vs played percentage.

As far as the correction, I've seen it vary depending on the discussion, with no real concludion. I've seen it be 5.5 million, and up to 7.2 million depending on what people decided to do their math on.

The reason I ask this, is because you seem interested in discussing the sales, even if to say they're wrong, yet you offer up no meaningful conclusion of your own. Just a bunch of facts which don't discuss the sales in a way that can lead to discussion, but asset that the article is just wrong, because it has a questionable source.

" the player count is much higher than copies sold and counts secondary accounts and those that have rented the game"

So, 1.5 million players added in 3 months. It does seem inconsistent with general sales, but the 3.3 million was an extrapolation as well, based on prior sales figures, and a general announcement of a sales milestone for the series. But, I find it highly unlikely that 40% of the player base never payed for the game, were renters, borrowers, or 2nd hand sales. That is just exorbitantly high.

The most recent number we have is 7 million played. You want to focus on that, but don't say what you think the percentage actually is, and just try to insinuate that it's a high number because it's easier than looking deeper.

[Chevalier]

Krib spins a lot on those 'numbers' none of which is meaningful. I could set up a free trial on Xbox and play Forza and it would register me as a player even if I played 2 minutes. All the 'players' without sales has no context at all and can be skewed so easily. 10 million players in Forza? How many of those are free trials?

GT Sport has not got the free trials so not sure how Krib concludes that massive number of 'renters'. Newsflash those 10 million Forza players? Majority could be 'renters' as he puts it with all those gamepass 'free' trials, you know how I know this? Almost every Xbox One system now includes a code for Gamepass free trials, kind of convenient how that gets forgotten though right?

[Kribwalker]

How can we get a percentage of copies sold to players played, when we haven’t been given that? The closest thing there is is when Gtsport was found to have sold 3.3 million copies in may, and had 5 million players a month and a half later? and we have never been given sales numbers since then? You are asking for information Sony has not released. If you want a percentage, you could take the 2 numbers we have seen in close proximity, 5.5 million players, and the 3.3 million in sales (which are going to be inaccurate due to the time between but nonetheless we can get a general idea) and say at that time, 60%+ (i’d say it was more, because it’s obvious it sold more than 3.3 in the 2 months leading up to 5.5 million players) that owned the game that were counted as players.

With that said, it is safe to say that it did not sell 2.2 million copies leading up to july as it appeared in no best sellers list in the UK orNA over those months
https://nintendoeverything....
https://venturebeat.com/201...
https://venturebeat.com/201...

So, the game did not sell 2.2 million over those 2 months, it would be unlikely that it sold 1 million, which would put it in the 78.8% sales vs played, and still leave at least 1.2 million players that played the game without buying it. which would say that those 1.2 million players would subtract (at least 1.2, plus others that played during free events as you said they’ve had) would drop the 7 million played to max 5.8 million sold in march this year.

So it needed to sell millions to hit 8 million sold

[rainslacker]

I'm wondering why you're trying to use the sold vs played metric, when you now state that we can't possibly posit that number. If you want to go by those earlier numbers, I believe that puts it at 33% or so of played vs paid. So, the core of the question is, do you really believe, that on 2 out of 3 people paid for the game? That 1 in 3 people either borrowed, rented, or purchased 2nd hand? That is a rather high percentage considering how active the player base is on the game, as games like that don't tend to get traded in as quickly.

Not sure why it matters though. Not even sure why I bothered to respond. I know the game has a very active online community in game, and finding races is always easy. The community surrounding the game is also very active and positive about it, and since Sony is supporting it pretty regularly, I'm sure they're find with whatever money they're making on it.

[2pacalypsenow]

Where are the fools that said the game only sold 4 million on that forza article?

[IRetrouk]

I didnt think the numbers were that high, last report was 3.3... wow, guess gt isn't dead after all like some were saying, and with an online only version too. Well done pd.

[Abnor_Mal]

Good sold numbers and engagement if true.

Looks like their other exclusives are doing really well, with the only low one being The Last Guardian, which was never expected to do big numbers.

[galmi]

This is not to say it didn't do well, but I did expect greater numbers for a truly beloved franchise and like the only racing game PS fans are really interested in. Regardless, good numbers, congrats to polyphony

[rainslacker]

I think the service model and it not being an official game in the regular numbered series, plus, leaving out the A and B Spec modes which are really popular among the community, hampered it's sales. GT6 was great, but because it was released after this gen started, it got overlooked in a big way. I think they didn't release it on PS4 because they wanted Driveclub to become the next big thing, which did have a real campaign, plus a service model, but we know how that worked out.

Anyhow, it's probably easy enough to discern a pretty close estimate based on official statements, and other data. It's obviously going to have a margin of error unless Sony announces it officially. As it is, people will bicker like it matters either way.

[Segata]

It will never happen but I'd love to see PD remake or make a sequel to Omega Boost in-between GT games

[darthv72]

I been saying that forever. PD needs a break from racing and do something like omega boost again.

[Mulando]

Well numbers are wrong. Sony has just confirmed at the beginning of 2019 that there are ~8m players. Currently there are only ~7.8m profiles that were ever created for that game.
There is no way the game sold millions of copies just this years.

[BLow]

Wait, it has SOLD 8 million. But how many players though because that what matters now lol.

[TheUndertaker85]

According to the numbers Sony released for users, as Sony has not said anything about sales nor has PD, 7 million. Oh, and GT Planet is also the outlet that reported it. While stating they were getting those statistics from Sony & PD. Which ironically also this story does not state they gained any of their information from Sony or even first parties.

https://www.gtplanet.net/gt...

[IRetrouk]

Right next to the numbers the source says company disclosure... plus being investors, sony cant lie to them...

[TheUndertaker85]

"That headline figure comes about midway through a massive 102-page document called “A Stronger Sony”. In it, investment company Third Point puts forward the idea of splitting Sony into smaller companies for profit."

The document and information isn't from Sony. Third sentence. Further the story itself, on numerous occasions, disputes the 8 million figure.

The rather large oddity easily becomes this. If there are apparently less users than sales then either individuals are buying something they aren't playing or the 8 million sold figure isn't accurate. Again, the story points out as much. On numerous occasions. Not one thing in the entire story gives credence to the 8 million estimation.

I'm also going to point out that this story is filed under Rumor for these exact reasons.

[TheUndertaker85]

Here is the originating source btw. It's not lying if you call things estimates constantly. Plus it's not Sony.
https://astrongersony.com/

Individuals should tap Read Our Letter. Their letter actually states that they cannot guarantee the accuracy of anything they're putting out. Plus their whole mission is to identify ways to get more investors for Sony and increase shareholder stocks.

[Kribwalker]

finally someone else understands this instead of jumping up and down trying to state what’s obviously incorrect

[Ninver]

Huge numbers. Myself and my big bro are still yet to buy it due to backlog. We will be adding to those sales eventually, probably on the ps5 since it's backwards compatible. Great job by PD and Sony.

[Soybetaboy]

Not credible, just a fluff piece

[Sgt_Slaughter]

This is exactly why I was questioning how Forza is somehow the "King of Racers" when GT Sport is a beast like this and actually a sim racing game, not whatever Forza/Forza Horizon is now.

[Silly gameAr]

It's pretty amusing stuff.

[sixthelement]

Amusing that people think GTS is the king of racers lol.

"GT Sport is a beast like this"

xD

[rainslacker]

Forza is a solid racing game, and certainly worth one's time. GT has a much bigger community and general respect among driving game enthusiast, and it also has more mainstream recognition. MS has made great headway with Forza though, and IMO, is probably their best franchise in terms of quality.

I don't like getting into the "King of racers" argument, because it's stupid, and it's not like people's minds are going to be changed, and MS fan boys do need a few good things to brag about.

[sixthelement]

"I don't like getting into the "King of racers" argument, because it's stupid, and it's not like people's minds are going to be changed, and MS fan boys do need a few good things to brag about."

Translation: I dont like getting into King of racers because the desperation involved in pretending GTS is one is clear even with Sony fanboys...."

[Silly gameAr]

Let sixthelement live in his fantasy world where he thinks Forza has as much impact on racing as GT has. He's not hurting anyone.

[rainslacker]

Sure six. If that makes you feel better. I guess it's not possible I can think both are great racing games. I like both Forza Horizon and GT for different reasons that are their relative strong suits. Forza Motorsport is also solid, but I feel comes up short on the driving simulation feel it's going for compared to GT, but still worthy of respect and purchase if one wants a good racing game.

I don't get into the discussion of "king of racers", because no matter what I feel, it's not going to change anyone's mind, and I don't need to feed my ego by trying to get people to show their support of my opinion.

@Silly. No, I'm not going to let him live in that world. Or rather, he will, but I'll say my piece.

@Six

When Forza is actually a billable product for actual racing series in real life, and when it gains the rather extensive and amazingly devout community who shows their respect in many ways beyond just the game, then, and only then, will I say that Forza is the King of Racers.

But, the King of Racers crown is one of respect and impact. Not one of subjective belief of which one is better. A bunch of Xbox fans saying it's better does not make it so. Everyone who is serious about such things gives GT credit for what it does well. Only Xbox fan boys say it isn't a worthy contender for the crown. Forza doesn't have that same kind of respect outside gaming forums, although PC may build that respect, because there are more driving game enthusiest on PC, than there are on both consoles combined.

Tell me, what impact has Forza actually had on racing as a whole? Does it have a dedicated channel to talk about racing, cars, and all manner of related things? Is it given credit as a way for real drivers to learn courses or car handling? Does Forza have a way for their players who compete to actually gain licenses to have the chance to race a real car, on a real track, against other skilled racers? Does Forza have car manufacturers coming to MS asking to be put in their game? Do real cars get made based on concept designs from Forza?

I'm curious....what real world impact does Forza actually have?

[Angerfist]

Every 30 yo boomer grew up with this Franchise, as did i. The game is hitting the 2 year mark soon and still gets content updates. Im sure this Hits 10 million pretty soon

[neomahi]

And they say exclusives don't sell well.

[AK91]

Bravo Polyphony bravo

[Inzo]

So by ratio GT still managed to outsell Forza which was released on 2 platforms. GT Sport is a fantastic racing game and PD has really treated its fans with a lot of free content.

[ocelot07]

Not to bad considering the game was released as a online only title with little content. But the free cars and tracks on a regular basis has been amazing.