The Sony PS5 May Repeat a Mistake That Hurt the PS3 in 2006

Sony’s upcoming PlayStation 5 is anticipated to be the mother of all consoles. A recent batch of leaks confirmed previous rumors about the gaming system’s graphical capabilities, and added a few more details to what Sony has already confirmed will come with the PS5. A recent analyst report predicts that the PS5 could repeat a detrimental mistake that held back the PS3 when it launched in 2006.

[StormLegend]

If both the Xbox console is 500 and the PS5 is also 500 then no mistake will be made. I highly doubt either can be 399 or less with that kind of power. And finally many people didn't know what the PS3 was capable of such as HDMI out the box, bluray, rechargeable controllers, better disc slot, free Online and exclusives.

[thexmanone]

PS5 will be $599

[Khlydo]

no

[Ceaser9857361]

TheXmanOne

Xbox Will be 599$ and the PS5 will be 499$ and winning next gen.

[KickSpinFilter]

You are just so wrong.
Not a penny more than $499.99 USD
Xbox on the other hand...

[lipton101]

Ray tracing graphics cards are $2K. I’d pay $599 for a console with that capability

[StormSnooper]

But the PS3 was 599.99 not 499.99. I would actually be very happy with 499.99 because I want both of them to make their next gen consoles a bit stronger out the gate than what we got with the PS3/xb1

[bluefox755]

No, it won't.

[blackblades]

He just trolled all ya, obviously it wont be $599.

[rainslacker]

@Storm

There was a $499 option for the PS3 at launch. The only difference between that and the $599 version was 20GB hard drive, versus a 60GB hard drive. In the long run, the 20GB would have been a good savings, since hard drive prices plummeted not too long after releases, and you could get a 500GB for less than $100.

I can't recall, but I also think the 20GB version lacked a few of the media ports, but my memory is fuzzy on that.

[AnthonyDavis]

It will be $600.

“PS5 will be notably more expensive”

They wouldn’t say that if it’s only $100 because of inflation. We expect it to be $500 anyway by default. But since the specs look to be relatively greater than PS4 for its time, it will be $600.

And I’m buying it Day 1, and then I’m gonna say haha told you so.

[Apocalypze]

With tax yes.

[DarXyde]

Stating things factually without any justification or evidence.

What a time to be alive.

[TheSaint]

ok fanboy.

[kneon]

If all games are forwards and backwards compatible then they can continue to sell the ps4 as the budget model, though I expect it would be the pro with the base ps4 being dropped when the ps5 launches.

[KickSpinFilter]

PS5 will play PS4 and PS5 games
PS4 will play PS4 games

[kneon]

it doesn't have to be that way. Games could be required to support the PS4 for the first few years. That would allow them to carry over their 100 million+ customers into the next generation. It would lead to lower initial PS5 sales, but higher profits overall since games and services are where the money is, not in hardware.

[VenomCarnage89]

You are probably right about forward compatibility. What does anyone think the point of the PS4 Pro was? It was to get the devs used to developing for a wider range of specs. PS5 will be no different, from a coding perspective there will simply be 3 different strength PlayStations. Pop your disc into one and the graphics settings will be determined from there. I think next gen we will see a stop from the perspective of "PS5 games" and "PS4 games," there will probably just be "PlayStation games" from here on out. With the weakest system eventually getting phased out over time

[rob-GP]

This is so backwards, it's the kind of mindset Xbox wants you to have. If a game comes out and it has to work on the PS4, pro and ps5 then either the PS4 side will run/look like crap or the ps5 side won't use the full system capabilities.

I don't see why the generation this time around are obsessed with not wanting to progress and experience new things.

Sont will want people on the ps5, so apart from a few cross gen titles In the first 6months, the library will be separated. If xbox decide to allow all games to work on the s and x, why would anyone buy the more expensive upgrade? Especially if they've just got the x

[Christopher]

You mean the PS4 Pro as the budget model.

[nitus10]

With PC gaming, you can purchase the latest game that will work across a range of different specifications. Of course, if you have a lower spec PC that is supported by a particular game you won't be able to display all the games assets such as 4K/8K and a higher frame rate.

It is possible that the base PS4 will be able to play some PS5 games (obviously this needs to be confirmed) but as with PC's the better-specced PS5 and also the PS4pro will be able to display more assets.

Note: All PS4's support HDR (High Dynamic Range) and providing the game supports HDR (there are quite a few - http://www.pushsquare.com/n... ) then if you have an HDR 4K Monitor/TV even though the base PS4 will only output 1080p you can still see the effect of HDR. Obviously, if the PS4 can't detect that you are using an HDR 4K TV then the fault is with your TV.

[badz149]

Forward compatibility? As good as that sounds, business-wise it doesn't make sense. Few people will flock to buy the PS5 if the games can be played on PS4 even if it's only the Pro. That was why the Pro is not selling ad much as the Slim PS4. Although, BC makes total sense and will push sales.

[BenRC01]

Utter disaster and what holds PC gaming back. If you have to make games that can run on last gen hardware you cant push the system as hard. If they adopted that model I'm out and will be buying a pc instead.

[kneon]

@badz

actually it makes good business sense. As I said, the money isn't in the hardware. So if you can release games into a customer base of 100+ million from day 1 then you will sell more and make more money. Plus you aren't starting over, you keep your customer base instead if starting from zero every gen.

@BenRC01

what holds Pc gaming back from achieving it's maximum potential is that the fastest configuration is unknown at the time of development and always changing. That would not be the case here.

[seanpitt23]

Well the pro and x are still around $399 it would make no sense for the ps5 and next xbox to be the same, next gen consoles will be $499 if Microsoft are going to try and beat Sony in power then it will cost $599

[thexmanone]

Microsoft will Beat Sony in power

[KwietStorm_BLM]

@thexmanone

So you've already said PS5 will be $599. You're also claiming Xbox will be more powerful. So Xbox will be $699? Good luck if that's the case.

[Jigga69]

@wdbjr23

If that's the case, Xbox will be more expensive.

MS will fail again : Europe is pro-Sony, Japan hate Xbox, USA is neutral. Plus there are no exclusive games anymore on Xbox.

[rainslacker]

X1X will probably drop in price before the PS5 launches. But, if Sony comes in at $399, then they're going to sell just like the PS4 did. MS doesn't seem willing to let the hardware go cheaper, and feels that their premium product should sell for a premium price. If they have equivalent features in the X2, then they'll either have to match Sony, or they'll still think they should sell at a higher price. Either way, if they don't want to take a loss on hardware, it's going to be tough if Sony comes in cheap. Sony has a bit of an advantage when it comes to sourcing parts, as they can manufacture a lot of the parts themselves. To my knowledge, MS doesn't have any major parts manufacturing facilities or businesses.

[thexmanone]

@KwietStorm

It cost me 2 grand to build my pc, i`m not worried if Xbox 2 is $700, I will get one anyways

[northpaws]

@wdbjr23

Did you just say "there have been rumors" and then "it's a real thing"?

[rainslacker]

I think the only real big cost thing is the SSD integration. Since there are new technologies out there, and the prices are decreasing, by the time it releases, it may not be much more than a standard drive, and could make a huge difference in performance, so it might be worth it without causing undue hardship on the manufactuer to retain a profit. Plus, we don't know the nature of the SSD yet, so it's possible it's not even the primary storage, but more like a cache of very high speed SSD memory components.

This isn't the same scenario as the CELL process or Blu-Ray Drive....both of which were very costly to manufacture on their own at the release of the PS3. The Blu-Ray itself was still in it's early phases, and the reliability of the laser diodes was not that high, so the QA of bad units raised the price significantly, and they weren't even ready for the planned launch of the PS3, so they ended up delaying the system altogether because of it. Something that benefited MS greatly.

Plus, Sony threw in a lot of extra stuff which was expensive at the time. Like WiFi. While some other things weren't particularly expensive on their own, all of them together adds up to a decent amount. Like the plethora of USB ports, the card reader ports, the PS2 emotion engine, etc.

I think Sony learned a hard lesson with the PS3. While they had good intentions with the product they made, I think they overestimated the appeal of a lot of those things on the PS3. While eventually a lot of the media capabilities of the PS3 became standard fare in other devices, Sony was just ahead of the curve, and being ahead of the curve means paying more. For a game console, that isn't ideal, because the gaming consumer mostly just cares about games.

Sony made the PS4 with keeping it profitable to manufacture from the start. I assume that doesn't include the R&D costs involved, but the actual build costs. I can't see why they'd break from that, and given that Cerny is still the lead architect, he probably went in with the same idea. The SSD could be nothing more than how they felt it would have a significant gain for the next gen, so they decided to invest in it for the long term gain. Much like they did with adding the extra 4GB of memory into the PS4 this gen.

[Hardiman]

Good points especially about Sony manufacturing parts because that's what the did with the HDMI ports on PS4's. So they were ready for HDR and instead of having to create a whole new system, they just implemented HDR with an update.

These things will help them in creating the PS5.

[nitus10]

The price of SSD's has dropped significantly over the last year and we still have over a year to go before the PS5 hits the market. I think 1TB is the sweet spot for the basic PS5 although 2TB or higher providing the price does not blow out would be preferable. Obviously, upgradability and expandability (external storage) are also important and if the SSD is something like an M2 SSD card then it is easily replaceable.

Note: M2 SSD cards normally connect to the motherboards and are very much smaller than SATA SSD's.

@Hardiman

The PS4 only has one HDMI port and you are quite correct in that all PS4's support HDR even though the base PS4 outputs 1080p. My PS4 detects my 32" HDR 4K monitor and if the game I am playing supports HDR then it displays 1080p and HDR where my monitor upscales that 1080p to 4K with HDR. Obviously, some games don't support HDR but my monitor will still upscale.

BTW. I use an HDMI 2.1 cable (they are cheap) to connect my PS4 to my monitor.

[kneon]

the ssd can be added for next to nothing. There is no need to use an ssd for primary storage, so it can be much smaller, like around 100gb or so. The system will use it as a cache and prefetch data before it's needed.

[rainslacker]

For the speeds they're talking about, it'd be newer SSD tech. So, while the slower type SSD's are dropping in price quite a bit, the newer stuff will probably still be up there. However, since we don't know the nature of the SSD yet, any speculation is just based on assumptions of possibilities. I don't think Sony makes any of the chips used for SSD drives. However, one consideration is that if the chips are integrated onto the motherboard, it would reduce the cost over having a separate controller chip, interface mechanisms, casings, or various other parts that go into making a PC type drive. Then the controller could just be on the northbridge chip itself. My only hope in that scenario is that they either allow for external secondary drives, or a way to insert a 2nd hard drive.

Anyhow, exciting times ahead. I think Sony will try to keep the price at a consumer friendly point. Value for the money is great and all, but there are a lot of people who just want cheap.

[bmf7364]

$499 is a less bitter pill to swallow 7 years later for a console.

[Benjaminkno]

People also forget that ps3 lost Sony billions of dollars.

GameCube and WiiU were more successful from a business standpoint.

So there’s that

[3-4-5]

* Expect at least $500 and maybe even $600 for the Xbox as there will be two xboxs......Prices of everything have gone up.....consoles can't stay at $400 and be powerful....want power? ok cool it's going to cost you

[bluebenjamin]

U left so much else out dllna multi channel support, bc with ps2 some of them,bc with Ps one all of them,psp system link, array of audio choices av support hdmi optical support, ds4 support,ds3 support , linux operating sytem support the list goes on see why u left some out lol

[Hardiman]

Yet it went on to sell more than the competition and also ushered in amazing new SP IP's like the Uncharted series, the Infamous series, the Resistance series, Demon Souls(which led to s new sub genre) and TLOU to name a few.

I imagine the PS5 will be priced competitively.

[TekoIie]

"Yet it went on to sell more than the competition and also ushered in amazing new SP IP's like the Uncharted series"

It outsold one of it's competitors. The Wii outsold the PS3 and the Soulja console was just a desire in our hearts at the time but it ultimately won the sales war purely because it allowed us to dream of a brighter future. We all wanted one but we had to settle for less ;)

"also ushered in amazing new SP IP's like the Uncharted series, the Infamous series, the Resistance series, Demon Souls(which led to s new sub genre) and TLOU to name a few."

No one said those were mistakes... It's possible to acknowledge Sony's missteps without having to remind everyone of the positive things they made especially when it's not entirely relevant to the topic. Maybe Resistance is slightly because it was a launch title but the rest not really.

As for the price I'm completely on board with an expensive console at launch assuming the hardware is respectable for the price. The PS4 and Xbox One were definitely weaker than they should've been and we could tell from day 1 where the specs lined up with a mid end PC and then had a mid-gen reboot which also under-performed in power.

Next-gen I want a strong start. If it's too expensive for some people that's fine because it usually takes a couple years at most for the consoles to settle into their place and get developers all on board and by then there'll have been a price drop.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Tekolie - It wasn't a misstep for the consumer, Fat 60gig PS3 was a beast. The price was completely justified. The BluRay drive also helped Sony and their partners to win the format war.

The Wii sold more, yep - my step mum got one ffs! Much like RROD inflated 360 numbers - the Wii's numbers were inflated by nursing homes.

I agree with a higher price as well, I want a decent leap over what we are playing now - GOW, HZD, DGand soon to TLOU2 all look STUNNING in HDR. I'll probably be paying $750 or $800 in Aus for a PS5. Day 1.

[TekoIie]

"It wasn't a misstep for the consumer, Fat 60gig PS3 was a beast. The price was completely justified. The BluRay drive also helped Sony and their partners to win the format war."

Nah it wasn't. Remember how we all shat on the Xbox One for costing more than the PS4 but running pretty much every multiplat worse? It was a pretty similar situation with the PS3 at launch and for a while afterwards. Late into the gen things became more even but it's never good if the more expensive system is performing worse than a much cheaper competitor when your system is supposed to be more powerful. Also Blu-Ray won the format war? Quite the victory when digital media and streaming has gained huge popularity.

The PS3 was a great system, but it was not without it's struggles. It surprises me that we like to pretend Sony didn't have it rough at the beginning of last gen because that struggle is what compelled them to make such good decisions for the PS4.

"The Wii sold more - my step mum got one ffs!"

Yes it did so why are you crying over it?

[sampsonon]

i look at ps4 exclusives and "weak" is not a word that comes to mind.

[TopherMan]

"The PS4 and Xbox One were definitely weaker than they should've been"

Maybe on the CPU side, but PS4 was capable enough for a 1080p console which, at the time, was the dominant TV resolution. Xbox One not so much. The common denominator across this gen for all consoles, however, has been the weak CPU. Hopefully MS and Sony do not repeat that mistake.

[sampsonon]

#xX-oldboy-Xx: "I agree with a higher price as well, I want a decent leap over what we are playing now - GOW, HZD, DGand soon to TLOU2 all look STUNNING in HDR. I'll probably be paying $750 or $800 in Aus for a PS5. Day 1."

so basically you're letting them know that you are almost willing to pay anything for a ps5. smart.
interesting, i remember when the consumer wanted to get the best price possible instead of letting companies to just go ahead charge what they want without afterthought.

Sony, sell the bloody thing for $399 and win the next gen already.
we will purchase all the accessories, and you will make a ton of money.

GET THE CONSOLE INTO AS MANY HOMES AS POSSIBLE.

[TekoIie]

@Sampsonon

"i look at ps4 exclusives and "weak" is not a word that comes to mind."

A weak system can have good games. This is basic logic mate I shouldn't have to spell it out to you. Not to mention I haven't said anything negative about the PS4's games so you're being deliberately obtuse with that interpretation of my comment. I didn't even pass a judgment on the PS4's games so you're really reaching real hard with that statement of yours.

Also I assume you want a weaker system at launch based on your second comment? Seeing as you want to misinterpret my comment can I ask why you want weaker hardware and to hold gaming back?

@TopherMan

"Maybe on the CPU side, but PS4 was capable enough for a 1080p console which, at the time, was the dominant TV resolution."

Okay and 1080p is still the dominat resolution of TV's/monitors out there so should the PS5 only aim for 1080p? I expect atleast some level of future proofing in the hardware so telling me that it hits standards that ended up being dramatically raised within 1 or 2 years of it's launch is not a good sell.

It was not just the CPU that was under-powered because GPU was comparable to a mid-end machine at the time. Most gaming PC's completely out performed the PS4 at launch and did so with a better frame-rate and higher resolution. I'm not saying the PS5 needs to be absolutely cutting edge but it should be damn powerful even if it's at a premium price point.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

PS3 used The Cell chip and propriety hardware, 360 was off the shelf parts in a box with bad ventilation. Not saying they didn't have struggles, just don't dwell on the negative - glass half full sort of bloke.

We shat on the xbox one and continue to - and for good reason. ms do the absolute minimum when it comes to delivering games. Remember they've been making consoles for a long time. Remember ms studios have been around longer than that.

That's right! It was BluRay, HDDVD and Netflix, is that how you remember it? Hahaha - you're taking the piss mate.

No one is crying over anything - happy for the Wii's success and the continued success Nintendo enjoyed with the WiiU. Oh I forgot the consumer woke up.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

sampsonon - I can't even buy a PS4 for $399 in Australia unless there's a sale hahaha.

I paid $999 for a PS3 on launch night, we get smashed over here on hardware.

A $399 PS5 won't be that appealing to the people that actually line up for a system. Mum & Dad buying for little Johnny want to pay $399.

[TopherMan]

"Okay and 1080p is still the dominat resolution of TV's/monitors out there so should the PS5 only aim for 1080p? I expect atleast some level of future proofing in the hardware so telling me that it hits standards that ended up being dramatically raised within 1 or 2 years of it's launch is not a good sell. "

Then you should buy a gaming PC. The console market has never been about putting up the high end components. The mid-grade PC is what you are going to get. And the point of the resolution for PS4 is that there was no demand for 4K as the price of 4K TVs were extremely high and there were no broadcasters or services that delivered 4K content at all. So why would Sony or MS entertain the idea of jacking up the price for anything more than a 1080p console? It would have made no sense at all.

"It was not just the CPU that was under-powered because GPU was comparable to a mid-end machine at the time. Most gaming PC's completely out performed the PS4 at launch and did so with a better frame-rate and higher resolution. I'm not saying the PS5 needs to be absolutely cutting edge but it should be damn powerful even if it's at a premium price point."

The GPU in the PS4 was capable enough to deliver 1080p gaming. Frame rate suffered due to the under-powered CPU. You keep wanting to compare PC gaming to consoles. Most consumers are not looking for the capabilities of a high end PC in a console. They simply are not willing to pay. If next gen consoles launch at more than $500 then you can expect a lower adoption rate as folks will simply continue gaming on current gen hardware until prices come down. You outlook is not typical for console gamers. Like I said, you would be better off gaming on PC.

[TekoIie]

@oldboy

"just don't dwell on the negative - glass half full sort of bloke.

Take that advice when you overreact to hearing the Wii outselling the PS3 next time ;)

"We shat on the xbox one and continue to - and for good reason."

Then you can shit on Sony for when they've done similar can't you? If not then I suggest you re-evaluate your standards and stop being a fanboy.

"That's right! It was BluRay, HDDVD and Netflix, is that how you remember it? Hahaha - you're taking the piss mate."

This is what winning the format war looks like: https://www.techspot.com/ne...

Blu-ray sales in the US: 5.3%
DVD sales in the US: 57.9%

https://i.pinimg.com/origin...

[Razzer]

Correction:

"4K Blu-ray sales in the US: 5.3%
DVD sales in the US: 57.9% "

I see no mention of non-4K bluray but one would assume it would be in the 30% range.

https://www.forbes.com/site...

[TekoIie]

@Razzer

"I see no mention of non-4K bluray but one would assume it would be in the 30% range."

I'm sure it's higher and I should've specified in my comment the 5% was for 4k so thank you for the correction. However, my overall point still stands that Blu-ray attained a victory in a shrinking market but that overall it's inclusion in the PS3 does not in anyway change the fact that it had issues early in it's lifespan. If anything I'd argue it's removal would've made things easier because it would've been cheaper.

At the end of the day Netflix and digital is taking over with TV and movies. Blu-ray fought a battle and it's barely won it and it's potential market is shrinking further.

[Hardiman]

@Tekolie I was an Xbox fan from day one and bought an Xbox day one and a 360 day one. Now I didn't just wake up one day and say "today's the day I start hating on M$!" But I shat on the one because of the terrible policies M$ tried to roll out! That's a misstepand it got shit for price because it was a $100 more than the PS4 which was more powerful. Context is very important and those bad policies weren't the first issue for me, hell they weren't the fifth but after going through 4 RRD's one brick and their exclusives not being what they used to be, those terrible policies were the nail for a lot of fans.

[rainslacker]

When he says "weak doesn't come to mind", he means that the exclusives show that the system itself wasn't underpowered. It was under utilized by many devs, particularly early in the gen, because they were all enamored with the higher level and more traditional DirectX that MS had which allowed for easier porting of PC games at the time. But, as time went on, and devs got their heads out of their asses and learned the new tech like they had done for every generation prior where technologies were usually different, the system was just as comparable as the 360, or better in the cases of games where devs took the time to properly optimize. Since devs had to learn how to use SPE style programming for GPU compute anyways, all that fuss was really over nothing, and it was a lame excuse to be lazy on PS3 ports, because it was easier to blame Sony than take responsibility. A notion that was also supported in the console war through the whole generation, despite not being relevant after the 2nd year.

[Wolffenblitz]

Are you having a stroke? Because it bloody seems like it.

[sampsonon]

they had to drop the price of the ps3.

[DillyDilly]

The PS3 did not start selling until Sony was forced to LOWER THE PRICE

[Moe-Gunz]

You’re wrong. America does not equal the world.

[JackBNimble]

Bullshit, the ps3 was out selling the 360 pretty much every single month , and that's exactly how the ps3 caught the 360's 8million lead .

[rainslacker]

PS3 was usually sold out pretty damn quick for the first 6 months. Before the price drops. Sourcing issues. yet, it still outsold the 360 if you look at the launches on a month by month bases. It wasn't easy to find a PS3 the first couple months, and the next 3-4 you could find them, but they would often not be there very long.

There was a supply shortage, but given that they made more units to be able to outsell, I wonder why you feel they had to lower the price to make it sell? They redesigned the system before they lowered the price, in order to increase profit....or rather reduce the loss on each unit sold. They reduced the price because people wouldn't stop badgering them and saying that apparently all they had was a $600 unit, even though they also had a $500 unit, which was still more feature rich than the $400 360 at the time....which itself launched at $500. The price reduction was only on the existing units, and they did away with the $600 unit altogether and made it into a single SKU, which eventually got two SKU's with no PS2 BC(instead of limited), removal of the media ports, and then a slightly larger hard drive.

I know it's been a while, but all these facts are available, so I wonder why revisionist history of these facts is still so common place today. I mean....so many things that are patently false still get talked about as if they happened despite countless times they've been clarified. Like the statement about the 2nd job. It's like people are willing to allow themselves to appear like complete idiots unable to learn or comprehend anything new, just for the sake of the console war.

[v_eno_m]

articles like these and the argument that the price was what failed the ps3 doesn't understand the situation at the time.

Simply put, the PS3's price range was set because of the Blu-Ray disc drive. It was the cheapest BD player during launch. you're alternative was a $800+ standalone unit. The PS3 not only play BD discs, but also played games. The 360 only had DVD drives

I've got my money's worth by using the PS3 as my media player that played games. No regrets.

[TheTony316]

Maybe in the US. The ps3 was selling at a faster rate in europe and surpassed 360 sales by mid 2008. Mind you the ps3 launched in march 2007 here and was ~200€ more expensive.

[sprinterboy]

Agree, tbh I can see a £429 option if Sony don't mind making a small loss on each one or if they want to make a small profit it will be £449 or £479.
Depends on what xbox does tbh, if xbox goes with taking a small loss on each console Sony will be forced to follow suit.

[I_am_Batman]

Releasing a $500 console in 2020 isn't even comparable to releasing a $600 console in 2006/2007. Adjusted for inflation the PS3 would cost $750/720€ today. Not to mention that it was a combination of different factors that lead to Sony losing market share in the 7th gen including: The high price, releasing 1 year late, difficulty in developing and optimising games for the PS3 and the inferior network & implementation of network features compared to the Xbox 360 especially early on in the gen.

Shawn Layden recently adressed those points and called them Sony's "Icarus Moment". Sony are clearly aware of the mistakes they've made during that time so I doubt that they'll repeat any of them with the PS5. They also seem to understand that what helped the PS3 to come back despite these setbacks was a strong lineup of exclusive games. If mistakes will be made, they are more likely to happen around the relatively new markets like VR and game-streaming.

[Thundercat77]

You should have wrote that article. Clearly you took more time to research the facts than the writer which clearly know very little about the matter.

[WickedLester]

You're actually a little low in your calculation. 699.99 in 2006 would be about 875.00 in today's dollars (USD).

[Nitrowolf2]

But it was 600 msrp not 700

Maybe a bundle out there was, but the original entry point was $599

[WickedLester]

@Nitrowolf2

You're right! PS3 was 599.99. I'm not sure how I came up with that 699.99 price.

[froy402]

Spot on

[thexmanone]

That's why the PS5 will be $599. How people keep coming up with $499 is beyond me.

[I_am_Batman]

If you did the research and calculations based on expected pricetrends for the known components and speculated a bit (within a reasonable range) on APU die-sizes, yields and amount of RAM it wouldn't be beyond you anymore. $499 is not only possible but it's by far the most reasonable educated guess one can make at the moment.

[Razzer]

If true then you can expect the next Xbox to clock in around $699 if Spencer still plans to ensure Xbox is more powerful. Either way, the question is what are the cost of the components, not how much PS3 would cost if released today. Based on your logic, Xbox One X shouldn't have released at $499 in 2017 and yet it was a MS made a small profit on each one sold.

[rainslacker]

If that's why the PS5 will be $599, wouldnt that have applied to the PS4 as well?

In any case, we don't know the full specs yet. Plus, Sony has invested in a lot of manufacturing facilities which can make a lot of the parts, so they can source cheaper than MS does, which doesn't have the same luxury.

Plus, it's at least a year away, and I'd imagine Sony would have a price point in mind, and know what they could achieve at that price point when the time comes to actually source these materials. Those kinds of trends are pretty easy to predict with established technologies, with some variances in things like memory that can fluctuate wildly due to many factors.

[Cobra951]

Inflation doesn't matter. What the market will bear does. Most people have less disposable income now than they did 12 years ago. Price a console at $700, or games at $100, because inflation, and see what happens.

[I_am_Batman]

I'd really like to read an in-depth explanation of your revolutionary economic theory where inflation somehow doesn't effect console prices, because it clearly effects prices everywhere else. I also never suggested that they should release a $700 console but if you expect console prices to stay at a stable $400 til the end of time you'd have to get used to less and less impressive tech being included from gen to gen because TSMC, AMD, Samsung and Co. aren't going to cut their margins just out of altruism for the people that have less disposable income.

[Razzer]

@I_am_Batman

Technology prices fluctuate. In 2006, 1GB of DDR2 RAM would cost you $150. Today, you can get 32GB DDR4 for the same amount. Dell computer used to sell their standard PCs for over $2000. Today you can buy standard PCs for well under $1000. It is all about how much it costs to produce the components that make up the technology. In three years time, Sony released the PS4 Pro at the same launch price of PS4. So you can't use inflation to predict what the cost of items will be in the future.

[Rhythmattic]

" releasing 1 year late"
It did, In the US, UK and Japan 1 year after the 360, But was still another 4 months after that until it was available in sonys strongest territories.
Thats pretty impressive that from a launch date , with 3 territories it was out selling the 360 from its launch date.

But Numbers ,Smumbers.....

I vote Kevin Butler for the worlds gaming president !

[rainslacker]

While true, $600 has a different psychological effect on the consumer when they see the price. It's why many things are priced at $x.99. People see the X, and don't associate it with X+1. Nice round numbers would be great, and some automatically add in the penny or whatever, but when you really think about it, $399, or $499, feels more like a bargain, because it's not on the other side of rounding up to a whole grand.

It's still a lot of money either way, even if you make decent money. It's not really a price which is a casual purchase, but at $399, it can be something that will get more impulse buys....like in those months where people get three pay checks and feel they have all that extra money.

Generally though, the costs of consumer products is affected by inflation, but actual price focus testing isn't considered by the consumer. The consumer doesn't think....well that's cheaper than it was 20 years ago when you adjust for inflation. They just know they're spending a set sum, based on an amount they have to spend. Plus, I think you'd be hard pressed to find people who know what inflations rates have been in that time frame, or know what the differences in the cost of living are from back then.

I don't personally complain too much either way. I manage my money wisely and buy what I want. And I was an early adopter into CD based systems back in the day, and the original TurboCD was a $499 peripheral attachment, and the SegaCD was a $399 peripheral attachment.:) Got one as a gift, brought the other. Loved it, and now gaming is cheaper, and I have more money, so it works out well for me.

[Soybetaboy]

Game over Sony if you do this, xbox your time is now!

[jaycptza]

The Next XB is suppose to be more powerful than PS5 so there is no way in hell it will cost less

[PowerOfTheCloud]

This + xbox will have a hard time gaining back trust from former xbox fans, who jumped ship during the mess that is xbox1.
Not to mention how difficult it will be to catch the interest of those who were never interested in xbox to begin with. Thanks to microsofts fk ups during this gen, sony should be sailing in calm waters next gen.

[TacoTaco]

The next Xbox will be interesting when unveiled because MS has hinted at and rumors consistently point to two SKUs right out the gate with one being especially powerful.

[RizBiz]

@TacoTaco Knowing M$, the two skus will be a normal model, and secondary disc-less model for $50 more.

[sampsonon]

If the next box is as powerful and is cheaper i will buy it instead of the ps5.
i have a perfectly fine ps4 for their exclusives and i will wait for the ps5 to drop in price or buy a used one after a few yrs.

[supes_24]

Lmao!!!!! Nope, not from me. I’ve owned every Xbox per generation and I will no longer support them. I will not buy the next x box. Imo, Xbox doesn’t make games good enough for me to buy one of their consoles. Stinky on the other hand is constantly pushing out new IPs and support the already stellar exclusives they have now. Yea, I see no reason at all to buy an Xbox

[Silly gameAr]

Stinky. I don't know why that made me laugh so hard.

[Hardiman]

Yeah I get tired of the "fanboy" label because I just love good games and once upon a time I was a big Xbox fan. Hell I brought a few coworkers to Xbox because they only new PS2. I loved my PS2 but M$ had some amazing exclusives and it was easy.

Now the 360 started great! But my first RRD hit within that first year and after three more and s brick and games like Alan Wake becoming few and far between I checked out and I stopped supporting M$.

The One was their opportunity to win me back and that was a cluster. It wasn't the price but the terrible policies and that's when I knew I was done until something drastic happens. They've only proven my decision this gen with the decisions they've made.

[supes_24]

@Hardiman
I was pretty much exactly as you were with MS and the original Xbox. I loved it and I bought the 360 before I purchased my PS3, I wouldn't have purchased it at all actually but my girlfriend at the time bought it for me as a Bday gift. 360 crashed so many times, after my 3rd one I said screw it, my money went to Sony. I bought Uncharted and God of War, end of story. I was hooked and stayed with Sony since without disappointment. My One, well it started to collect dust so I sold it.

[chiefJohn117]

3 seem to be the magic number on this site when it comes to rrod. I must be the only one to never get the rrod let alone the magically 3. 4 rrods and a bricked S? You're the problem not the console.

[WickedLester]

Does the author not understand inflation adjustment? In 2020 dollars, 499.99 is considered a relatively affordable sticker price for a new console. It's literally what 399.99 was in 2006 almost to the penny. 699.99 in 2006 would be the equivalent of about 875.00 today.

[sampsonon]

not for 95 % of the world it's not. so sony would be at a disadvantage if MS sells their console for less.
it's that simple. people will just keep their ps4 for exclusives.

[WickedLester]

What are you talking about? Inflation affects everyone who participates in a modernized economy. I'm not talking about primitives who deal in livestock currency.

[ShadowWolf712]

...you do know that PS5 games won't be playable on the PS4, yes?

[lio_convoy]

Agree to disagree. $500 is a lot of money for most people. You can use the "inflation" argument, but to counter you, paychecks haven't gone up as fast as the cost of goods, so relatively speaking people can afford these high prices even less than they could have in 2006.

Even for me, with disposable income, I'm not so sure I can, or want to, justify paying that kind of money for a console.

[WickedLester]

LOL what exactly are you arguing here? Sony isn't a non-profit organization. They can't give these systems away. At the same time, they have to find the right balance between price and a providing a console with a large enough jump in performance to justify to people that they should upgrade. Sure, they can put out a new console at 300.00 but it's going to be disappointing compared to what the PS4 can already do. I've always said that people can afford what they want to afford. Want to buy a console but don't have the money? Ok so maybe you don't eat out for a few weeks, put that money back little by little and bingo! You now have the cash to buy the system. Premier videogaming is an expensive hobby and videogame consoles are a luxury item. It's always been this way and it always will be. The onus is on YOU to find a way to afford it. Besides, where was all this outcry back when with Xbox One X came out at 499.99?

[RizBiz]

$699.99? Where did you get that figure? The 60GB PS3 launched at $599.99, which would be $759.67 today.

[WickedLester]

Yes I realized I had that wrong but I couldnt go back and edit my original post. You're right, 599.99 was the MSRP ifor the Deluxe PS3 n the US.. They did offer a 499.99 model as well but nobody wanted that one.

[mastershredder]

So your predictions are base on a model over 13 years old, a model that Sony clearly has not followed/used since (as necessary as it was for them at the time, but let’s put you and your gamer needs first). Yeeeeeah mkay.

These articles just get more brain dead as we go. I bet he forecasts his fuel mileage averages on a car he owned 15years ago. A rehash or a rehash of a rehash; “look what I can post” article. Get an industry job learn get some xp under your belt and try again.

[Ristul]

Agree, these articles taking about price of the ps5 is just lazy at best, ignorant at worse.

[mogwaii]

".... Ignorant at worse" oh the irony.

[ufo8mycat]

And yet since it’s release, the PS3 outsold the 360, despite being more expensive (Wii doesn’t count, as that system was for the casual gaming market, which is a totally different market).

Given the PlayStation brand power and the great exclusives, that we all know will exist on PS5, a higher price point will not impact the sales that much, especially considering the PS5 will be the only real choice for core gamers. Unless Microsoft actually releases good games for their next system, but I won’t hold my breath.

[DillyDilly]

Sony eventually lowered the price to something the casuals liked more. If the PS launches at $499 expect the same reaction

[Ristul]

Every console goes down in price during its lifecycle, so that argument means nothing as the 360 also recieved pricecuts.

[sampsonon]

I'm not buying a $500 console. in Canadian dollars it's more like $750 with tax.

someone can argue with me all they want but i will wait until it drops in price.

[Teflon02]

It'll likely be around $675 after tax like Xbox One X

[sampsonon]

i already did the math. $750 would be the price in Canada. i won't pay that.
just google the exchange rate and add 13% tax on top. then come back and talk to me.

[KickSpinFilter]

Ya no way in hell would I pay $700 or 600 USD either for any console.
$499.99 for PS5 I will not blink at, and is a instant purchase for PS5 given (BC at the launch of a new console not 4 years in) and compatibility with org PSVR.

XB2 at that price MS has to prove their worth to me.

[Carlg1964]

You get what you pay for. If we tie Sony's hands with a pricepoint too low, we will end up with a watered down system that is good but not great, not awsome, just like the PS4. Just save sooner.

[Good-Smurf]

Last time PS3 was launched with exotic custom hardware that are difficult to make games and very expensive to produce at the time I think it costed Sony $1100 to make one of the fat models and they had to sell it for huge loss of for the price of $600.
This time they having familiar hardware with tons of power and proven records of amazing exclusives BIG difference right there.

[DillyDilly]

It wont matter what the PS4 did like it did not matter what the PS2 did. If the price point of the PS is $499 + the casual audience (Sony will want these people buying a PS5) will not buy it. The PS2 did not matter going into PS3 FYI

[TopherMan]

"But if the Xbox Anaconda is priced below the PS5..."

Why would anyone make this assumption? MS has shown they are not going to take a loss on hardware.
Reference: Xbox One ADE at $250.

If the power of Anaconda is what some believe then it makes more sense to assume it will cost more than PS5, not less. These two consoles are built using the same AMD architecture. The only way to get an advantage in price is either implement lower power components or take a loss on the hardware.

[sampsonon]

ms might just pull a sony this time around. now that would be smart for MS to take the hit, sell the next box for $399 ,and win this gen. people that own a pro will just buy ps exclusives for that console until the ps5 comes down in price.

[supes_24]

Nope, I still wouldn't buy it. $399 for a Xbox Two is laughable and only in dream world will you see these low prices. Doesn't matter to me tho, MS screwed the pooch so bad this Gen they lost me and multiple friends of mine as consumers. Sony now gets our gaming money, it's the safest and surest bet when it comes to games. That's what we purchase them for right? Games after all is why I have a console in the first place and MS failed at delivering quality 1st party games. I see no reason at all to buy any MS products related to gaming. Even if they basically give them away, no sale here my friend.

[chiefJohn117]

MS release 2 consoles. A cheaper one and a more expensive one. $399 and $599 is my bet. With ps5 in the middle at $499

[gamer7804]

there could always be to versions, one thats more expensive like 599, then a cheaper version at 399 or 499. I think MS will have a digital version for cheaper then a more powerful version.

[Nodoze]

If it offers backwards compatibility and upconversion of older titles....DAY 1 (regardless of price).

[Traecy]

With the power,BC & to play 4k UHD along with other functions it'll be worth the price. A day one buy for me.

[chris235]

jeez. when will the kids understand that not the price and not the specs determine the success of a console but its games. otherwise the switch would have been DOA for example. the ps3 had a very weak game lineup during the first couple years. therefore not many people wanted to shell out the price for the ps3.

[chiefJohn117]

Nah it's multiple things. Majority of switch games been ports, or Wii U sequels. Wii wasn't a hit solely cause if it games. PS3 was simply too expensive and it's design was criticized for it's internals to the look. That was the major factor of why it didn't do nearly as hot as ps2. PS4 was pretty sparse (their words not mine) to start the gen yet it still sold so that's further proof. Price, Power, Competition, Games all play a factor

[Whitey2k]

I can justify the price and it's not that the console is not gonna be an arse to develop for anyways where the ps3 and the components that they used was a mistake

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

lol

[phoenixwing]

The only way for Microsoft to get ahead in this situation is for Sony to sell at a higher price and also have the harder to develop for machine. Which isn't happening.

[BrettAwesome]

Let me remind the writer that the top og the line PS3 sold for #599 in 2007, which is the equivalent of $740 today

[HeisenbergX]

No

[mafiabrett]

I'm expecting Sony will price the PS5 reasonably even if it's at a loss for them. They know if they get a huge base set up, most of the money will come from PS+ and Software sales

[mogwaii]

So they should have underpowered it, made it just an iteration on the pro, sold at a cheaper price and made that mistake.

[sprinterboy]

Ps3 was actually cheaper than 360 by the time you added the external WiFi adapter, HD external player, battery charger etc etc.
Funny the media never reported that cause the media just hate whoever is on top.

[phoenixwing]

@Sprinterboy it was mostly american media propping up an american company in the form of microsoft. If all 3 companies were from the same place im sure things would be different.

[KickSpinFilter]

Boo and Boo!!
It was the price

the media Pfft! WTF?!?

[KickSpinFilter]

Boo and Boo!
It was the price

the media Pfft! WTF?!?

[sprinterboy]

You do realise all the extra stuff you needed to purchase once you got the 360 was all included in a ps4 right?

[KickSpinFilter]

Yes but that was not the point, consumers saw the price and were like FU, especially after telling us to get a second job to afford one!
I waited till a price drop on PS3, but funny enough turned out to be one of my most memorial gaming experiences since that is when my daughter was born and I'd stay up late gaming so I could do the 3am bottle feed, and justified my "hobby" with my wife. lol

[Stanjara]

I really don't want Sony to have two different consoles because of developers. Let's have a nice name (Ps5) and have specs that developers can work on fo next 5 -6 years. If we have cheaper model without SSD, then what's the point in that loading and rendering advantage. Also, you still have PS4 pro for lowering it's price and still make some cross gen games for it till development and production cost of next gen comes down. Down the line you can have slim and pro models for 8k and other future features.

X360 held down developemen because not all SKUs had HDD. That also had reflected in their arcade releases where the size of games had to be 50mb.

Cutting down features isn't good for anyone.
499 sounds right for early adopters especially in 2020. Price will eventually come down.

Edit: I know the sales mantra that people with money pay more, and those without pay less for the same product, but that has to go to storage. 1tb or 2tb models. Don't cut processing power and memory.

[sprinterboy]

Plus we the gamer have had more than enough time (approx 6yrs or so) to save up for nxt gen.
Its not hard to fathom if you save up £500 that you'll be set too go on launch day.
The biggest financial outlay this time around will be the 4k tv not the ps5.
I'm personally hoping to have dolby atmos and 4k/8k tv from the get go next gen (expensive hobby) never had a top tier TV or sound system b4 but I'm hoping to go into nxt gen all guns blazing this time as I think it's gonna be something very special.

[Stanjara]

Prices of 4k tv has also went down with HDR and Dolby features. SSD prices are also going down. So cutting all of those features for a 99$ saving for early adopters is silly. Everyone that gets a cheaper model will just have a grim face. Please Sony, don't go 2 SKU s

[pabadamus1]

Hope not. I hope the market can tolerate and support these products robustly enough in their respective launch periods. I want to see both MSFT and Sony thrive early on so each can focus entirely on making compelling, innovative software. We do not want either to fumble and bog the generation down with corrective measures.

[Yi-Long]

I'm hesitant to invest in a 500$ PS5, with Sony's current censorship BS.

[BrettAwesome]

@ Yi-Long
Then don't <3

[gehasoku]

None of gamers in Japan trust him. > "Japanese analyst Hideki Yasuda of Ace Research Institute"

[RedDevils]

Xbox fans wishful thinking article again.

[SaveFerris]

The only misstep is the new censorship policy. Sony may yet regret that next generation.

[mike32UK]

What have they actually censored?

[ShadowWolf712]

They... took out the ability to grope high school girls from a Senran Kagura game where you till see their clothes shredded and blown off.

And censored a few scenes of characters designed to appear of questionable age from some VNs.

...'s about it.

[SaveFerris]

https://boundingintocomics....

https://www.businessinsider...

https://twinfinite.net/2019...

[mike32UK]

So only creeps care about this, gotcha!

[Jayszen]

I doubt Sony will ever repeat that mistake. What made things worse with the PS3 was that many third party devs were unwilling to take the time to extract the maximum the Cell had to offer. Sony's first party studios were able to work magic with the same console and came with games like Uncharted 1 to 3, Infamous 1 & 2, TLOU, God of War 3, etc. Games that looked better than most other games out there.

[sprinterboy]

Plus the get a 2nd job comment didn't help them.

[Silly gameAr]

I rolled my eyes so hard seeing this that I think I went temporarily blind.

[Flewid638]

Made the mistake and still won.

It's pretty hard for Sony to lose in the gaming space. Looks like their movie division is starting to get better as well. When it comes to entertainment, they've got their shit together.

[AK91]

It all depends on the price of the Scarlett to be honest.

[traumadisaster]

So if price & power are near equal why not take ps5 for exclusives?

If Xbox is moderately better in frame rate and gfx on 3rd party and is $100 cheaper, I don’t know that savings is worth missing out on Sony exclusives.

It seems MS only way to be the leader is to equal or trump Sony exclusives, and offer a price break.

I bet Phil understands he can’t beat Sony so they will just compete enough to be a close second and make some money like this past gen.

[Imortus_san]

Considering how much money Sony lost on the PS3, I hardly see Sony going to sell again at such a loss.

[windblowsagain]

You need 17 jobs to own one.

I'm at 16. 1 more and i'm good.:)

$449 or $499

[Bleucrunch]

This article does bring up some good points, however in fairness to Sony they have always tried new things and take gambles. We all knew beta max was better than VHS but consumers back then chose price over quality. The PS# introduced a lot of new features that are just normal with todays consoles (rechargeable controllers, HDMI, BluRay).

Now that these features are in regular circulation, the next console will have these basic features and more and will again take chances and not just do the same thing. Sometimes you gotta take that loss in order to get that win later.

The PS5 will mostly likely not exceed $500 bucks, but I would not be surprised if Sony sells at $449 or something like that.

Either way fellow gamers, save your pennies so that when it comes out you can get it. We should prepare in advance for such purchases because for most of us in here WE KNOW WE GONNA GET THE PS5.

[SIdepocket]

The difference here is that the PS5 will built with standardized hardware & architecture.

Even if it’s less profitable at the start because of a newish GPU, it will soon be cheaper to produce.

[Knuckle Duster]

I would happily pay $599 as long as it supports 4K and 60 frames a second. And the SSD are huge upgrades among other technological improvements.

[Kumakai]

You get what you pay for. I’d rather spend a bit more for a more capable system... and the ps3 was $600 when it launched. The one X is a current beast console right now and at $500 it picked up Xbox sales cuz ppl wanted the better specs. In fact the one X sold faster than all other versions of the One. I was one of those ppl. Gen 8 consoles were underpowered at launch. They don’t want the same mistakes for gen 9. I’m actually glad the ps5 will cost a bit more cuz that means it won’t be gimped like the ps4 pro comparatively to the one x.

The console won’t ship for a year so if you don’t make a lot of money, you have about 15 months to save up that $500. Seems like a nonissue to me if you were able to spend 3-400 and a bunch of games on a ps4.

[DafunkyRebel]

If the day one games are all good and one or two title are AAA block busters then maybe people will ignore the price and buy it anyway

[spambot0815]

ps3 launched without a significant console selling exclusive ip background from the ps2 era. ps5 has the possibility to promote major exclusive sequels to bloodbourne, horizon, god of war and so on and that should be enough to sell the hardware even if it's 100$ more than xbox, imo.

[zazman]

What an ill informed article.
1.The value of money 10 years ago is not the same. You can't keep price points steady. Check TVs and cell phones for evidence.
2. This bias towards the 399 price point is constraining the potential of consoles. Find a job that pays better.
3. Companies are now forced to create 2 versions. One cheaper and one more expensive so you have choice.
4. Sony and MS need to cull console gamers who are hardcore from jumping to PC regardless of console ease of use factor.

It is absolutely essential for these companies to make a profit. Forcing them into a price point that is out dated creates a poor business case to continue with consoles. Experience in AAA are growing. We as consumers need to recognize this fact.

Besides my long diatribe, we all have the choice to buy the upspec model or the cheaper version. There is a market for upsepc consoles hence the Pro and Xbox 1X.

[Carlg1964]

The PS4 wasa good system but it could have been great. It was watered down because of the 399.00 price point. if we want our Playstation gaming consoles to be awsome power house gaming machines we can't tie Sony's hands with a price point that is too low! You get what you pay for. If you want watered down lackluster performance then that is all your going to get with a pricepoint that is too low. Just save sooner. I recommend 499.0 for base PS5/599.00 for premium PS5.

[lazyboyblue]

People have been loud on here about buying it straight away, even at 500 plus, but the same happened with ps3 which to had early adopters. The average gamer will go back to Xbox if the next one is cheaper though. They're like swing voters in an election. Many might even go back for the 360 nostalgia having ditched Xbox for a gen. Grass is greener and all that.
Sony should be carefull. The consumer is a fickle friend.

[Jigga69]

The worse Sony console (PS3) outsold the best Microsoft console (360).

[lazyboyblue]

The Xbox 360 figures are hampered by them only selling 2 units in Asia. But I get your point.

[EliteComments123]

a $500 also a $400 maybe?

[strayanalog]

I'll wait till both Sony and Microsoft show what they have in store before I consider prices. Quite frankly, all these numbers - both specs and price range - don't mean anything right now.

[blanka4545]

not celluar architecture again! x86 always keep it easy for devs to render graphics and also performance!

[Tross]

I don't think Sony will over price it. I'm sure they can pack even more power into their new system if they want to, but they want it to be consumer friendly. Most people think it will be $500USD because that would be the best compromise between affordability and allowing Sony to up the ante tech wise.

[Dragonopolis]

PS4 pro could be the base model and ps5 be main but it wouldn't play native ps5 games and supporting 2 systems is difficult for developers as they already have other hardware from other companies they probably would rather spend resources on

Also the PS5 will have more Memory than old ps4 pro. Even if Sony kept the old hardware in the PS4 they would still need to bump the memory to make to match the PS5 to make it easier on developers

The base model for PS5/ps4 pro could use a cheaper more traditional method of game storage which could reduce the price at the cost of longer load times due to not having any fancy cache abilities of PS5 main....

Maybe Sony should stop using numbers and just call the console PSP (playstation pro) and PSB (base) one is the best of a new generation of consoles. The base slightly modified version that reduces price of console but missing features that wouldn't be show stopping but provide a low cost alternative

[LOLcheeseORZ]

If Sony wants a better chance of success they should start with stopping their recent censorship of games. All they are doing is alienating their fans.

[Malice-Flare]

well, $499 is not $599, so Sony's not repeating their mistake. and, this is just a prediction by an analyst. people already forget that in 2013, people thought PS4 would be expensive due to the 8GB of spanking new GDDR5 memory at the time. that could also repeat...

[PhoenixUp]

That “mistake” still sold 87.4 million, more than most other systems in the industry

[Italiano1234567]

The high price in the beginning and out a year later and still outsold the 360

[CertifiedGamer]

I think Sony should have dropped the price of the PS4 to $150 and have the Pro priced at $250 by now.

[adonisisfree]

It’s gonna cost a million dollars.

[derek]

Not the same, the ps3 was more expensive and Sony still took a humongous loss on every unit sold. That's why it hurt Sony so much.

[Ulf]

So.. the article points out that the console will likely cost at LEAST $499 USD at launch, and people are DEFENDING that, rather than denying it?

Hmm...

[Starman69]

Times have changed. Gamers are more thirsty for better tech and gamers are older too.

[FanboysKiller]

1st year is just for early adopters, not a big deal, plus there won't be a shallow launch with no games anymore.

[ianblake]

I pay $600 for the PS3, I dont care $499 is nothing

[ILostMyMind]

Go back to the shadows with your pessimism.

[frostypants]

The PS3 became the best selling console of that gen, so...

[Aaroncls7]

"smart" phones were not $1k in 2006, it is silly to not expect consoles to rise in cost by now.

Hopefully, a greater price tag would mean amazing quality.
I just want 1440/2160p @60 standard for any game.

[JBlaze226]

All I can say is that next gen xbox might take but got to wait to see whats under the hood and their plans for their next gen

[Maddens Raiders]

Dumb.

[bluebenjamin]

Good Ps3 was underated its funny how u so called fanboys of Playstation who once loved the ps3 and said good things are now shameing it based on units sold I could care less about units sold thats just a count of how many people purchased has nothing to do with the device itself which is a much better machine than the ps4 is overall I know you all are brainwashed by the word NEW but ps4 and x1 base did nothing to new to our graphics 1080 p 30 frames per second 😂 we were already hd gaming at 30 frames whats the jump form 720p to 1080p set weakest gaming leap so far looking forward to the next xbox and the ps5 hoping we will have a real gen start unlike the this pathetic mid gen release needing gen

[Sophisticated_Chap]

It wouldn't be a big deal if the PS5 launches at $599.00, since they will probably maintain the PS4 Pro as an entry level option. Just like Xbox will probably make the Xbox One X the entry level system, while the Xbox Two will be the beast system. Just for a proper 4K graphics card, you're looking at roughly $680.00 USD (Radeon VII & RTX 2080). Even if you're just upgrading your GPU in your PC for a 4K display, $599.00 for a console by comparison is a steal.

[Razzer]

"Even if you're just upgrading your GPU in your PC for a 4K display, $599.00 for a console by comparison is a steal."

Not really. You can buy a 1160 Ti for $279 and get solid 4K performance.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

I find all these people who complain about the price ridiculous. Why? How many of them here or anywhere else have a smartphone that they bought that is close to the $1,000 mark. You know there are more than we can count, yet those same people complain about a consoles price that cost almost half of what their phone is. Plus you don't upgrade a console like a phone every 2yrs WTF is wrong with people ...smh.

[RangerWalk267]

I don't understand why it's a competition to sell more console hardware. It's about enjoying this wonderful hobby. I have found the best way to do that is by owning both. I'm currently using Xbox X for game pass, online service, cross platform games and better hardware. As for my Pro...I use it for VR and the single player games. They all have something unique to offer. Why limit yourself and your love for gaming?

[Tzuno]

First model will be the worst, cheap quality, hot and expensive, wait for slim.

[dizzy74]

i am bored to read opinions of idiot people.
WTF means the PS5 price must be under 600$?
Who say that?
The guy who spend 1000 $ for a iphone or 700$ for a Samsung mobile who will replace it after 1-2 years?
I dont give a f@ck even PS5 price is 700 or 800$
They deserved just give me to me and take my money and stfu crying bitches you take what you pay for and more
SONY is the only company who dont sell bullshit to buyers like MS N and many Game Studios does,you know what you get