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Borderlands 3 doesn’t have Midgets as it’s “not super sensitive”

Borderlands 3 is changing some of the series' more outdated language.

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-Foxtrot2186d ago

Wow...really?

"Tinks"

Until people just start calling small people tinks as a hurtful term and it will have defeated the point of all this.

Eonjay2186d ago

The should call them 'shorties'

carcarias2185d ago

Heh. I think dwarfs were in Warhammer 40K at one point, they were called 'stunties'.

rdgneoz32186d ago

So midget chucking becomes tink tossing?

carcarias2185d ago

Hehe, and funnily enough that sounds even worse :)

Hungryalpaca2185d ago

The right wing “morality police” from the past who tried to ban everything that wasn’t Jesus is back but it’s not the right wing this time.

I really wish game companies would stop catering to Twitter. Twitter has a bunch of loonies on it.

Concertoine2185d ago

This kinda crap makes me miss ol Jack Thompson. Yeah he was an annoying puritan, but at least he didnt actually influence the industry.

Jman22185d ago

Suprisingly the term "tink" or "tinks" is a derogatory term originating in scotland for gypsy/romanian traverling groups. Farmers would shout the term when they crossed there field etc. a 70 year old man was even given a crinimal record for a "hate" crime by using the term inside his own home.

So in there quest for political correctness they just landed on a term that is perceived as just as bad in the eyes of some SJW's.

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TheColbertinator2185d ago

10,000 years in hell for anyone who chose Oddjob in Goldeneye back then.

jznrpg2185d ago

Oddjob was always banned during meaningful competitions with friends or that person really sucked .

DaveZero2185d ago

What about Monkey on Timesplitters, midgets are awesome on those kind of games just for annoying people.

https://youtu.be/rnca9Zo1xo...

Dance, dance dance Just like a monkey.

Smokehouse2186d ago

Where are all of these midgets that are outraged about the word midgets? Are we sure it’s not just fully grown white liberals that are outraged by the plethora of random banned words?

xX-oldboy-Xx2186d ago

And their on the hunt for more, no end in sight - outrage and offense is the new normal.

Smokehouse2186d ago

No it’s not. Normal everyday people don’t give a shit about anything they say lol. Twitter shapes the narrative, that’s the real problem. News = twitter reactions. And twitter is infested with scumbags.

Fist4achin2185d ago

Hell, im offended. About what?! I have no idea, but i will tell you when i figure it out.

These new agendas and means they go about smearing everything is really annoying.

xX-oldboy-Xx2185d ago

I'm one of those people haha - it wasn't a black & white observation. You've extended upon what I said, unfortunately Twitter gives these numpties mileage.

meep3162185d ago

People just say things they think will get them a lot of likes.

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Smokehouse2185d ago

Lmao! Excuse me, midget is derogatory, I prefer “little person”. What?! Why not go with dwarf? “Dwarfism” is apparently acceptable and that sounds worse than midget imo. I highly doubt any members joined to “fight the m word”. It’s a support non profit lol.

But I do indeed respect your response. You gave me what I asked for. An example that isn’t another white liberal. Maybe... that article is suspect. Maybe a white liberal dwarf.

RauLeCreuset2185d ago

"'Dwarfism' is apparently acceptable and that sounds worse than midget imo."

That's the thing. It's not about your opinion.

Christopher2185d ago (Edited 2185d ago )

@Smokehouse: Honestly, intent behind whatever you say is what really matters, but I'm not going to disparage a group that is not 'normal' and has experienced ridicule regularly for something they can't control wanting to present language they feel acceptable for them versus language they feel is used derogatorily. I've been ridiculed, but not for things I couldn't control or change through my own actions, so I don't feel it's right for me to dictate for them whether a word is offensive or not. And it doesn't bother me to not use the word. As long as people still have the right to use the word, I think it's fine. They're just saying they don't want you to use it, not that you can't. Kind of like Gearbox is saying they are choosing not to use it, not that no one else should.

Smokehouse2185d ago (Edited 2185d ago )

@Rau
Who’s opinion is it about? I just find it hard to believe that someone who is outraged about the word midget would prefer little person or dwarf. How is that any less “derogatory”? Did the midgets meet up one day and declare this? It sounds like a fully grown white liberal crusade, that’s all lol. Simply because they are constantly doing shit like this.

@chris
Gearbox can do whatever they want, I have just never heard the term used in a derogatory way. It was used to describe someone.
Guy 1: Hey game of thrones is great, Tyrion is my favorite character.

Guy 2: who’s that

Guy 1: the midget

Guy 2: oh ok

There is no hate involved there. I have never heard midget used to be hateful in any way. Not once.

Christopher2185d ago (Edited 2185d ago )

***There is no hate involved there. I have never heard midget used to be hateful in any way. Not once.***

Anecdotal and not necessarily representative of what a person who is short actually experiences.

If we based offensiveness on how much everyone has heard of it offensively, we wouldn't find much offensive even though it would still be as such to those affected.

Smokehouse2185d ago (Edited 2185d ago )

But how does calling someone a “little person” or a dwarf make a short person feel any better? It sounds like some lord of the rings shit. It makes no sense and that’s why I find it hard to believe.

I don’t find much offensive honestly lol. Unless it’s about my family then I don’t care.

Christopher2185d ago

***But how does calling someone a “little person” or a dwarf make a short person feel any better? It sounds like some lord of the rings shit. It makes no sense and that’s why I find it hard to believe.***

Because of the connotation and history of the word. Same as hard g n-word when spoken by a white person to a black person in the U.S.

It's something you don't know because you don't live with it. But, if you did, you'd likely have a better perspective of the situation.

And, again, this isn't about telling you to not call a person what you want, this is GearBox recognizing it and choosing to do what they feel is right for them.

I don't think you need to understand the why to everything just to be respectful to others as they wish. I mean, isn't that what we all want, to be treated with respect?

Smokehouse2185d ago

I don’t know the history of the word midget, it’s the only term I have ever known. I respect many midgets, it has nothing to do with that. I have never known a midget personally or media to tell me they don’t like the word. I have never heard one midget say they don’t like the word let alone a mass movement in the early 2000s to squash the word.

You can’t compare n****r to midget just to make an argument. I highly doubt the same feelings are evoked. I would respect someone’s wishes if they truly felt hurt by the word but I have yet to see someone who isn’t a white liberal complain about such things. I hate to keep saying that but it’s the truth lol. I don’t care about white liberal knights or their feelings about someone else’s condition. Just like they don’t care about mine, my opinion doesn’t matter either lol.

I don’t respect people based on height or skin color or anything that isn’t action or character based. Warwick Davis is a great actor, I like most of his work. If he came on TV and asked people to stop saying midget then I would stop. The world wouldn’t but I would. I want to know if Warwick Davis prefers “little person”. That’s so dumb but I would respect that.

Christopher2185d ago (Edited 2185d ago )

***I don’t know the history of the word midget***
***You can’t compare n****r to midget just to make an argument.***

How the heck do you know this? You don't know the history of the word?!?

***I respect many midgets***

Then you would respect their desire to not be called midgets? I mean, seriously, I provided a link to the main organization in the U.S. where they said they want to get rid of it. What do you have for an organization of similar nature that says they want to be called it? Anything? Or just your opinion?

Are you being respectful or are you just telling yourself you're being respectful?

***I want to know if Warwick Davis prefers “little person”.***

https://twitter.com/warwick...

https://www.chortle.co.uk/n...

Smokehouse2185d ago (Edited 2185d ago )

Because I know the history of the word n***r and it’s not the same.

It’s an opinion piece by someone in the organization. True.

Hey great article with Warwick and I wouldn’t call him a midget. I don’t agree with everything or even the premise of “being used for cheap laughs” but I can respect it. A comedian calling someone a little person is still a midget joke. It’s not the joke that offends them, it’s the word used? It sounds like an answer to a loaded question more than a personal stance. I ask why with everything I don’t mean to offend it’s just habit lol.

Like he says they are all individuals and I get that. Some don’t like being called little people or dwarves. I’m just the type that couldn’t give a shit less about someone’s pronouns. “But the acceptable terms are...” lol.

He’s not the dwarf ambassador but I value his opinion on the matter more than anyone else's I guess. I have always appreciated his work since willow and leprechaun. He played the short guy. Thanks for that.

Lol@twitter. Thats the first time I have seen midget used in a derogatory way and of course it’s on twitter and not actually talking about a dwarf. A mental midget basically, that’s funny. As she rushes to shield her feminism she offends the boss. Twitter is a joke.

Christopher2185d ago

***I don’t agree with everything or even the premise of “being used for cheap laughs” but I can respect it.***
***He’s not the dwarf ambassador but I value his opinion on the matter more than anyone else's I guess.***

If you don't agree with the person in front of you who has experienced what they are telling you, and you say you respect them, then there's really no point in trying to get you to understand the reasons behind why they don't want to be called midgets. Your mind is made up and there's nothing that will change it.

End of conversation.

Smokehouse2185d ago

Okay but you just cherry picked what I said.... just saying the word midget isn’t funny, it’s not used for cheap laughs. The joke would still be funny if they were called little people. He’s telling comedians to stop using the word for cheap laughs. I respect him and I won’t call them midgets anymore but I don’t have to agree with everything he says. You saw what you wanted to see out if that post.

Later!

RauLeCreuset2185d ago

Wow. Talk about circling the drain. I hope you learned a lesson here Christopher. Intent doesn't matter as much as effect. Pretending otherwise is how you get caught up wasting time with people who are going to seize upon that gift to deny offensiveness by denying the intention behind the offense, no matter how much evidence you provide that people were offended. You provided exactly what was asked for both times. Think of how many levels of ridiculous that became. "Warwick Davis is a great actor, I like most of his work. If he came on TV and asked people to stop saying midget then I would stop." Where do you even go with that? What is that even saying? It's basically "I have no idea what I'm talking about and such nonexistent connection to the community whose agency I'm willfully ignoring to push this "white liberal" narrative, that I can only begin to be somewhat swayed if I hear it, again, from a celebrity member of that community." That's what you get when you prioritize the intent of the person offending over the effect on the people offended.

@Smokehouse

That's why I said it's not about you. It's about the community that term refers to. I don't have the patience for the shenanigans that Christopher has displayed. I'm not going to dumb it down and indulge willful obtuseness. I'm not going to be afraid to tell you not to say or do something. I fully recognize that I can't legally compel you not to say or do something, but I'm not going to be afraid to tell you not to do it. There's a wide gulf between saying don't do something and sending the goons to kick in your door for saying it. Some people just lack the maturity to deal with being told they shouldn't do something. Otherwise most of these debates about whether something is offensive or not could be avoided with the simple admonition to not be an a-hole.

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Prince-Ali2185d ago

You guys are hilarious... just because you haven't heard any of any outrage doesn't mean none exist.. the term 'midget' has been considered insensitive literally since early 2000's.. i dont get you guys mindset when it comes to this sorta sh*t, your circle doesn't reflect the worlds stance on things.. why is that so hard to grasp..?

Smokehouse2185d ago

I never said it didn’t exist, I was just wondering where they were and if its not just another white liberal crusade to redeem their white guilt or whatever reason they do what they do lol.

Considered by who though? Midgets? Your circle of sensitivity doesn’t represent the world stance on things either lol. I have never heard the term midget be used in a derogatory way.

Prince-Ali2185d ago

you really think how you come across isn't EXTREMELY dismissive loool...?

Bro the simple facts are, even if there's one person that's offended ESPECIALLY by a word already considered insensitive, then thats one person tooo many! i dont understand how thins point is lost on you guys ¬_¬... and like @RauLeCreuset said below, you're really taking issue with a developer trying to not be offensive lool... that's hilarious

RauLeCreuset2185d ago

The scrutiny should be on just who is getting upset at a developer choosing to be less offensive. Really? That's your fight? Okay.

Smokehouse2185d ago

I’m not upset at all, I think it’s funny. I’m not talking about gearbox at all. I just wanted to know if midgets are really upset or if it’s the white liberal word police again.

RauLeCreuset2185d ago (Edited 2185d ago )

Given how you've been trying to grind this "white liberal" ax despite repeatedly being supplied the evidence to the contrary that you asked for, it seems your emotional investment in this goes far beyond simple amusement.

Segata2185d ago

Yup, likely just Resetera with another " Well I never" kind of outrage.

jeki2185d ago

Grow up. Do you need attention that badly?

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carcarias2185d ago

The answer is yes, we are sure it's just fully grown white liberals :)

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Borderlands 3 player count is up 486% as movie gets absolutely destroyed by critics and fans

The new Borderlands has been a huge flop, but it has caused the video games to see a boost in popularity following its release.

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spicelicka256d ago

Damn, the Fallout tactic but reversed..

Inverno256d ago

I am glad the movie is bombin, can we stop making horrible adaptations now?

ChronoJoe255d ago

There have been some good adaptations recently though. I think the Gran Turismo movie is really good and The Last of Us and Fallout TV shows are great too.

If they're going to try, some of them are going to fall short. That's just inevitable. If anything we should encourage more effort so that they learn more about what makes some of these work, while others don't. Honestly I think Borderlands should have been a hit, but I think it would have been much better as an animated show akin to the League of Legends TV show on Netflix.

Inverno255d ago

Yea but the good to bad ratio still leans more to the bad. All the ones you pointed out have been pretty great, can't wait for season 2 of all those shows. With that said, you can't "fall short" unless it's on purpose, in this case it's Borderlands. These characters, the world, the lore is/are fleshed out, there's a ton of source material, there are 7 games!

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Kosic256d ago (Edited 256d ago )

But BL3 is the worst one in the series....should do #2 and experience Handsome Jack

Michiel1989256d ago

there was no actor handsome enough available to play Jack

DustMan256d ago

Nah. Tiny TIna's Wonderland is the worst in my opinion. I enjoyed 3 more than the "pre-sequel" and Tiny Tina's Wonderland.

Dudeson256d ago

Agreed, at least 3 felt like borderlands, gameplay was great, bosses were interesting. Wonderlands was just a turn in the wrong direction, the idea seemed great, but playing through the game just didn't feel like borderlands to me. Also dlc scam.

porkChop256d ago (Edited 256d ago )

My issue with TTW is that it's supposedly a new IP in the Borderlands universe, not just a Borderlands game. Yet it plays and feels just like Borderlands with some magic tacked on. For every cool new idea there's a handful of ideas just rehashed from Borderlands. They really didn't do enough to make it feel like its own thing. It's still just an FPS with guns, except the guns are magical now. Why not focus instead on crazy melee weapons, bows, and magic/spells instead?

Lighter9256d ago

I'd say the pre-sequel because of the low gravity. That was horrible.

porkChop256d ago

In terms of gameplay BL3 is the strongest in the series. It's the narrative that really lets that game down.

ChronoJoe255d ago

Eh...

The story is definitely worse but there's more to these games than that. Gameplay, loot, endgame and build variety is definitely better in 3. I think they did a great job with the game, some of the DLC is fantastic too.

Kosic255d ago

I agree with people are saying. There's sole really good ideas in the games followed by some odd choices. I loved Bl2 , and I liked the presequel because it tries to explain Handsome Jack's downfall (YouTube game theory handsome jack).

Also PreSeq, has this really cool team play where talents could help pick your friends up from bleeding out. Athena throwing her shield if it bounces of a player they are picked up from dying. Head shots Aith the sniper chick etc.

BL3, I cannot get past the annoying social media influences, it's meant to be funny, it's just unbearable. Gameplay feels solid though. But I've not made it past lvl 20 ish on 3 tries. The story does not interest me, the classes are poor and talents feel bland.

gold_drake255d ago

i didnt like 3s sotry villains, like at all.

but i dont think any of the borderlands mainline games were "bad". i nejoyed all of them

but im not part of the community and play them mostly with my friends or alone.

there are worse games rly.

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badz149256d ago

Like they said...a bad publicity is still a publicity

jznrpg256d ago

I totally forgot there was a movie coming out. I’m not a big fan of adaptations mainly because most of them suck and they take away from me playing video games. I didn’t get into Borderlands 3 game. 1 was my favorite 2 was pretty good but a third with more of the same didn’t interest me much to begin with.

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Check out the nine games leaving PS Plus in August 2024

PS Plus has nine games set to leave the service soon. Here is every game earmarked on our PlayStation Plus leaving list for Essential, Extra, and Premium.

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Zenzuu273d ago

Saved you a click.

Among Us
Borderlands 3
NBA 2K24
Need For Speed Unbound
SpellForce III Reforced
Destroy All Humans
Destroy All Humans 2
Trials of Mana

jznrpg273d ago

If you added Among Us and Borderlands 3 to your library they won’t disappear. Not sure if any others were part of essential or not but if they were and you added them to the library they also will still be in your library

OtterX272d ago

Yea, not really a loss since we got them with the Monthly Games. :)

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PlayStation Plus Monthly Games for July: Borderlands 3, NHL 24, Among Us

All playable July 2.

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LG_Fox_Brazil303d ago

Seems like I'll finally play my first NHL since the PS1 days

OtterX302d ago

Yea, I honestly have never been a follower of hockey, but I did grow up occasionally playing games here and there with some of my friends. Especially Blades of Steel NES and I honestly think my last one was one of the NHL ones on PS1 also! This may stir up some nostalgia. I wouldn't have bought it otherwise, but I'll give it a go w PS+.

monkey602303d ago

Well that's a lot of nope from me.

Doesn't Among Us sell for a whopping €2.50 anyway?

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phoenixwing303d ago (Edited 303d ago )

Never bought borderlands 3 since they picked that Jesus mockery of a photo. Was not impressed. There was literally no reason to use it other than to be blasphemous. There's no angels or demons in the game yet they had to be profane toward God and go out of their way to do it.

monkey602303d ago

I'd have said that cover art was easily the best thing about the game. Shame they neutered the humour in game so much.

BISHOP-BRASIL303d ago

Driving boring ass mainline Christians into rage fits is reason enough. Are you not entertained? 'cause we are...

(Also the third game revolves around the radicalization os Bandits and Psychos into the cult Children of the Vault which see the female twin as literally a goddess, in fact the whole franchise always made extensive use of tropes such as cult like factions and villains with a Messiah complex, so it's fitting, however a logical rebuttal to your whining is just less fun).

phoenixwing303d ago (Edited 303d ago )

No the point is they could easily have pictured a character from the game who they're worshipping but instead go after Christians. If they were so altruistic to stop and point out radicalization as if they're brave people they would have put Allah on the cover but oh no we can't upset them because instead of taking it in stride they'd have to actually confront the Muslims who would be outraged. But yeah let's do our weak attempts at being edgy on people who are more mature toward others. Basically all you atheists like to punch down why not go to an Arab country and protest.

Hofstaderman302d ago

@phoenixwing Allah is the arabic word for God used by Christians in the region too.

DarXyde302d ago

phoenixwing,

I can think of a few reasons why the Jesus imagery works better.

1. The intended audience would understand Christian imagery more than Islamic imagery. I'll also add that it's fascinating to observe Christian whataboutisms largely run to Islam to criticize when they feel attacked.

2. If you're trying to sell a game in more countries, there's literally only one Christian theocracy in the world. Do you think B3 not selling in Vatican City has the same impact as being shut out of the multiple Muslim theocracies globally?

3. Islam has an image problem in countries with high Christian populations in the modern era due largely to 11 September. There are people outraged by Hamas' actions without any willingness to engage with the context of how it happened. The Zionists are pretty supportive of the ongoing genocide of innocent civilians. In light of this, your imagery complaint feels very entitled if I'm being honest.

If you want to take it as a W, perhaps the devs in a weird, islamophobic way see Christians as being more tolerant of such imagery being used...? That you can disapprove and boycott without violence? I don't really know.

It's fine if you don't play the game on the basis that it upsets you, though as a member of a racial group that either gets dunked on routinely or pushed forward to further some tolerance agenda, I've learned to laugh at it. If I can learn to do that for immutable characteristics, you can for your beliefs.

You don't have to.... But you can.

thorstein302d ago

@phoenixwing

"Atheists like to punch down"

You poor, oppressed Christian.

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MrBaskerville303d ago

Sounds like it was overall a goof decision. Nothing wrong with some blasphemy.

Profchaos303d ago (Edited 303d ago )

You missed nothing the game sucked key reason why it was selling for under 5 bucks not even a year after launch

Chance_of_Raine302d ago

I used to be like you, then I realized its all a fraud. You'll wake up, when and if you want to, in your own time.

thorstein302d ago

I bet you think pronouns shouldn't be taught in elementary school.

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RhinoGamer88303d ago

Compared to June, this list is fantastic.

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Shane Kim302d ago

Hell no! It had Crusader kings and anno!
But city builders/4x aren't that popular among console users.

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