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The Drawbacks of Digital-Only Distribution

Google Stadia and Microsoft's All-Digital Xbox could be the beginning of the end for physical media, and that worries us.

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“So although recent reports suggest that the PS5 will still have a disc drive, allowing it to thrive in developing markets where bandwidth is still an issue, it was inevitable that we would be seeing a non-disc version of a current or next gen console on the horizon.”

Why was that inevitable. There’s still no benefit or purpose in having a discless console. Xbox One SAD in particular reeks of halfassed decisions and just shows how bad an idea that concept is.

“And despite several setbacks and waning consumer interest, Sony continues to push its PlayStation Now service.”

Having the most successful game subscription service on the market is a sign of setbacks and waning consumer interest? What does that say about the lesser successful game subscription services?

“And whilst it’s heartening to learn that the new PS5 will have a disc drive and full backwards compatibility, there’s always the fear that we will just end up being sold games we already own, rehashed with better textures but none of the charm of the originals.”

So what if PS5 has remakes or remasters? There’s nothing stopping you from playing the original game if you still own it. That’s something irrational to be afraid of. Plus you make it sound like majority of released games don’t have the appeal of the original game when that couldn’t be further from the truth.

“But as games are the only physical media we still buy nowadays, the risk of them going the way of books, CDs and DVDs has become very real, and that makes us nervous.”

You can still buy movies, TV shows, music, magazines, newspapers, books and comics physically. Same thing with gaming. No matter how pervasive digital distribution becomes, we’ve rarely seen any medium where the physical format of that medium has gone completely extinct.

Digital will always remain an option because a large audience will always value and support physical media.

darthv722248d ago (Edited 2248d ago )

The only aspects of the XBO:AD that are half assed is that they chose not to redesign the board (which would have resulted in an overall reduction in the units footprint) as well as the pricing. But to be fair, many of those retailers are selling the S units below the $300 MSRP on their own so MS did price the AD to be $50 lower than the MSRP of the S. They just didnt take into consideration that retailers were doing their own thing with current stock of S units.

As to your comment about movies and music and books, etc. I dont know about your retailers but many of the ones in my area (Northern California) are starting to scale back on their available space for music, movies and even printed publications and in the space they are expanding other stuff.

I'm constantly seeing the $5 and $7 bins at wal-mart being filled with all sorts of DVD ($5) and Bluray ($7) movies. Even the game cabinets are starting to thin out and there are more titles being pushed to the clearance end of the isle. It's good they still have something but I know my stores arent the only ones doing this.

Even many Best Buys were cutting their gaming selection (and movies and music) sections way back as well so it isnt retailer specific. It's happening more and more. I'm having to go to Amazon or ebay for my games.

Hardiman2248d ago

Yeah the infrastructure just isn't there and it won't be for a long time. GI did s piece on the Stadia presentation, that demoed Doom Eternal and there was lag, not game breaking but lag . In a game like that where reflexes matter, it's not good. ALso that was a "best case" controlled environment not out in the wild either.

I believe some powerful companies want this as THE future but it's just not possible for everyone with games getting bigger and bigger. Its not hard to read between the lines and why some tow this "streaming is the way to go!"

I applaud Sony for just continuing to do what they've been doing and having Cerny do the Wired interview was pretty shrewd. I imagine they'll continue to do what they've done since they got in this game and that's elevate it with awesome hardware and exceptional software.

PhoenixUp2248d ago

@ darth

XO SAD has the same 1TB HDD that present in every other current model. There’s no reason to get it over a disc based model as it doesn’t incentivize you to go digital moreso than any other console. A 2TB or 4TB would’ve been far more preferable, but alas it’s another halfhearted design decision.

It’s interesting that’s happening in North Carolina. Here in California I still see various stores selling physical media

@ Hard

They need to get cloud gaming to be just as even an experience as physical or digital gaming. And even then it’d still be blasphemy to neglect physical since that’s the method that millions of people still rely on or prefer to use. No reason to turn their back on a huge portion of the market

darthv722247d ago

The hdd size is ify... meaning there are plenty of S with only 500gb while there are some later bundles that include 1tb so it is what it is. It should have been 2tb at least for the AD.

Also, I said im in Northern California (not Carolina). The scale back of physical media is happening and it could be regional.

Atom6662247d ago

When you consider that console gaming is pretty much the only sector still relying on physical more than digital, I do think it inevitably is going the direction.

PC shows that digital only is viable to millions of gamers. I don't think physical games are ending tomorrow, but inevitably, digital will become more popular than physical.

While you can still buy movies, CD, and books in physical formats, it's undeniable that digital has taken over. Big box stores are drastically cutting back on shelf space dedicated to them, and independent music, movie, or bookstores are on their deathbed.

My guess on MS's console is that they knew it wasn't worth the $$ to invest heavily in the production of completely redesigned hardware. The price is at least $50 too high, but the HDD argument doesn't hold much water to mr. Even if you buy physical, you need just as much storage space to install games.

darthv722247d ago

That's what I said above. I'm seeing it in my local retail stores. More and more of what used to be on the shelf (movies/music) are now finding their ways into the bargain bins. The stores are just trying to recoup some of the cost of initially ordering stock that filled the shelves.

One of my favorite stores was Fry's Electronics. They used to have a huge selection of PC software as well as rows and rows of games, music and movies. I used to go all the time to look at the PC parts and browse but had not been in there in some time. I went last weekend and to my surprise they really cut down on the amount of physical media and replaced the space with more things like As seen on TV stuff and really strange odds and ends. and lots of washer and dryers and tv stands. Basically stuff from other departments are now taking over space that used to be for movies, music and games.

Atom6662247d ago

I moved to my town 18 years ago (New England). Same thing is happening here. We also went from multiple music, movie, and game stores to the scraps being sold at Best buy, target, etc.

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BlackIceJoe2246d ago (Edited 2246d ago )

The best way we can combat this is by Not buying a digital all console. If we show companies that we want physical media they'll be forced to continue to bring out games on a disc and never bring out a discless video game console, as the only option.

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* Game from 2016 online = $40-60
* Game from 2016 at Gamestop = $15-30

Until Internet speeds increase, and there are more price drops that mirror physical media, then I'm sticking with physical discs as long as I can.

I don't trust any of these companies to keep their word.

It's a glorified rental and there is nothing you can do about it......only a moron would offer away their rights and allow somebody else complete control over something they paid for IF there is another option out there.

* Solutions = Increase hardrive to 2tb HD or 1tb SSD.
* Increase internet speeds = Nintendo,Sony & Microsoft need to pressure internet companies into increasing all around.

IMissJimRyan2246d ago

You know the article has a problem when the authors can't differ digital distribution from games as a service.

phoenixwing2246d ago

To be honest sony is combating streaming gaming themselves. They've literally made it so that the ssd bandwidth is through the roof and loads faster for the physical console with a disc when it comes to the ps5. The only way for a streaming service to keep up is offering the option to download the game. Which basically makes it a moot point because both disc and non disc download to the hard drive. Sony doesn't bet on one horse though, they keep their options open. Which is why they stream older games while offering newer ones on both disc and digital. Sony aren't morons, they know a huge portion uses discs and another portion simply prefers discs. They're not gonna abandon that anytime soon because they don't want to be in microsoft's shoes when they tried to push all digital.

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lukasmain2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Their recent Playstation revenue is also more than Xbox and Switch combined, obviously in large part due to 3rd party sales.

Christopher2d ago

I mean, if Sony is keeping third parties happy, kind of feels like a winning method.

GamingExplained1011d 4h ago

I mean they have to, since they have 2 exclusives anyone cared about this generation, and those are now on PC. The rest is this creatively bankrupt string of remakes and remasters, taking advantage of the creativity of developers past efforts, and laying off teams creative side since all that work has been done already by previous teams.

By far the least creative generation ever.

lukasmain1d 2h ago

@ Gaming-NEW-Troll account

"those are now on PC"

In that case. Xbox is Playstation's competition. MS have ZERO exclusives. ZERO. Nothing. Nada. Not a single exclusive.

Playstation has Astrobot. Demon's Souls, Astrobot Playroom, Gran Turismo 7, still not going to PC. They got Death Stranding 2 coming out in 3 days, NOT ON PC. Ghost of Yotei, not on PC.

That is 6 real exclusives MORE than Microsoft. Microsoft's Xbox is Playstation's competition. So lets compare.

I mean you brought it up.

Or does being "creatively bankrupt" not count when you have certain console exclusives going to PC years after they were released? In that case Returnal. Ratchet And Clank. Spiderman. Miles Morales. Silent Hill 2. And the list goes on

IRetrouk1d 22h ago

Kinda always been that way if you look at previous gens, exclusives are important but they aint the main revenue generator.

Reaper22_1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

.While that is impressive. Microsoft made 13 billion in one quarter. Making up facts doesn't make them true.

Mmmkay1d 21h ago

microsoft is not xbox. a bot should know that by now. you have been told this bs 1000 times on this site alone.

OlderGamer171d 18h ago

Yeah Microsoft but Xbox on the other hand.....

Aloymetal1d 17h ago

Your defense of Microsoft is only highlighting Lord Phil's and the lame MS mismanagement. Since you're talking about MS as a whole, imagine having trillions in the bank and still losing to ''tiny'' Sony PS and Ninty. It doesn't get any more lame than that.

Christopher1d 12h ago

If what Microsoft made as a whole was all that mattered, we would still have Windows Phones and Zunes. I would love to see Xbox' operating profits. Love to see it.

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thorstein1d 19h ago

I prefer Playstation over Xbox when it comes to consoles but how does this news justify their layoffs?

Shane Kim1d 18h ago

But the execs brother. You got to think about them. How could they otherwise buy yet another mansion and yacht?

raWfodog1d 17h ago

People are generally paid for the work they are doing. Layoffs generally occur when there is no work for them to do (project cancelled, business slowing down, etc). I’ve been laid off from two jobs during my 40+ years of working so I know about these things. A company is not going to just keep paying people if there is no work for them to do, no matter how much profits they made.

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MIDGETonSTILTS171d 22h ago

And this is why the game output for ps5 has been a tad slower…

1) they needed to be… games take longer to develop, and they’d burn out their teams trying to maintain the same pace as ps3.

2) they can afford to… games cost more than ever to push boundaries, so Sony had to figure out a way to match Xbox’s clever profit strategies in order to afford to continue to innovate and take risks.

lukasmain1d 17h ago

So much time was wasted on those Live Service shits. Glad they learned their lesson and have scaled that way back. Still haven't killed it, but I like it being in the background and not at the forefront

MIDGETonSTILTS171d 11h ago

Honestly, I love Helldivers 2 so much that I can forgive them for over investing in GaaS. At least they got one gem from the endeavor.

And I still dream of Factions releasing one day.

I don’t hate GaaS inherently, most are just implemented poorly.

Reaper22_1d 20h ago (Edited 1d 20h ago )

@ s2killinit

Thats xbox which includes other services. The playstion division also includes other services as well. Its mostly playtion but not all playstation. What's up with all the double standards around here.

Chevalier1d 20h ago

Yeah double standards like some idiots who got to talk about unrelated profits as a talking point. Wish those damn parrots could stay on topic with game related profits.

Next thing these idiots will talk about is something unrelated like Nintendo made more off the Mario movie than all of Xbox studios TV/movie endeavors combined you know?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

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Deathdeliverer1d 19h ago

@Chevalier

Mind you that’s only AFTER buying all those other companies adding them to the revenue. It was a LOT lower. This is Activision, Bethesda, and others COMBINED to get that number.

“The sales of windows professional on the other hand trounces god of war sales” 😂

Reaper22_1d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

All you did was prove that you dont know what revenue is. Tencent is no.1 in profits. Buts that's ok because unlike Tencent and Microsoft, Sony isn't in it for the money, right.🤔

pwnmaster30001d 16h ago

That’s what Xbox fanboys do. They’ve been doing this since Xbox one.

They will use all of MS, one of the biggest company in the world and play it like every dollar they earn comes from Xbox just to one up PlayStation.
Is actually pretty sad.

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Chevalier1d 19h ago

"Mind you that’s only AFTER buying all those other companies adding them to the revenue. It was a LOT lower. This is Activision, Bethesda, and others COMBINED to get that number."

Guys we're off topic here you know? Can someone bring us back on topic and tell us how much revenue Xbox studios does for movies and TV? Pretty sure we should also discuss how much Nintendo stands to make at Universal studios on Nintendo land and the rides should be a hot ticket this summer.

"Ouch! hahaha no wonder reaper wanna hide behind profits made by windows XD"

Yeah idiots with some sort of inferiority complex needs to get their win somewhere though. But wait shouldn't we get back on topic guys? Like seriously how much money do you think Fallout Season 2 will bring in?!

Reaper22_1d 15h ago

Nah, reaper's not hiding behind anything. I'm just pointing out some facts. At first the narrative was Microsoft isn't going to make the money back from the ABK deal to now their profits wouldn't be as high if they didn't get the deal. This very topic is part of the reason why the deal was secured. Sony's dishonesty and reluctance to tell the truth about how much money they're making and lying about how much this deal would hurt their business. That strategy failed. They're are making a lot of money. No doubt about it and its good for the industry but don't get butthurt when Microsoft post their profits and you guys see they are also making a lot of money as well.

CrashMania1d 15h ago

@reaper.

Microsoft don't reveal Xbox profits, sales numbers, or gamepass numbers, I wonder why that is?

You call Sony dishonest but at least they don't hide and obfuscate meaningful playstation numbers like MS do with Xbox.

IRetrouk1d 14h ago

Reaper stop lol, only one company hides that info and it ain't sony....

Chevalier1d 17h ago

"All you did was prove that you dont know what revenue is."

Nah all you did was confirm you're an idiot.

Reaper22_1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

You seem to be fluent in idiocy. Not everyone speaks it. So next time speak slowly and clearly so we all can understand. Getting emotional doesn't really make you smarter. Before you post a link with info make sure you know what it says.🫡

Chevalier1d 11h ago

"Nah, reaper's not hiding behind anything. I'm just pointing out some facts"

🤡 What facts? 🤣

Please share with everyone your idiocy

What does Xbox make in revenue and profit? What are their sales? How much money does Gamepass cost them? Oh right you got ZERO numbers to post.

"Before you post a link with info make sure you know what it says."

Says the idiot who can't even tell the difference between Microsoft and Xbox? Lmao. Seriously all you're showing everyone again is how much of an uninformed parroting idiot you are.

But go ahead and post your evidence! Oh right again ZERO from a ZERO. Absolutely 💯 hilarious to see you stumble like the idiot you are.

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Npugz71d 20h ago

Only because of games prices otherwise it’s the worst generation in PlayStation history especially for games

Reaper22_1d 20h ago

Thats true. The article did mention game and prices were a reason. Its also shows their greed is no different than Microsoft. Laying off all those people but yet bragging about profits and still tried to stop ABK deal. What the hell!

MatrixxGT1d 19h ago

Closing studios, layoffs, leadership changes, PS plus increases, multiple game cancellations and delays, total flops like concord. Slowest release of first party games of any generation and they just shut down PS stars I guess because it was costing to much.
Yet they announce record profits…..the greed here is insane, MS and Nintendo too. All of them milking gamers and we just keep lapping it up like a blood hound for a meal.
Them tariffs are really hitting them hard I see.

Deathdeliverer1d 19h ago

Well a part of running a business is a tight grip on that P&L sheet. In project management. It’s a known fact that the farther into a project you go, the more costly the corrections. Having something reach the definition of done, the end of the road, and it’s hated is a monumental loss of money. As games are usually made iteratively it’s like how was this not caught and course corrected several times before this point. Sony is definitely known as trusting and allows teams to make the games they want to make. They “trust the process”. The caveat to that big budget and freedom is if it bombs, especially if it’s your first game, you’re outta there. They have shareholders/stakeholders to keep happy. Where as normally a done game like Concord would give ROI as it was out in the wild. The cost of the project is recouped and turned into profit or delivered whatever value they wanted. If the game is now NOT coming out, how do they get that money back and stay profitable? By not paying wages for that team over a course of time that would have still been on payroll working on the next potential bomb, DLC for a dead game, and essentially costing more money.
It sadly isn’t greed, it’s business. They release these great profits because 1) it’s enticing for more stakeholders to invest, and 2) Despite failures they are still balancing the books and turning record setting profits.
How many live service games died at various stages of development? They are still this profitable? Imagine if the games came out and were hits to add onto the profits?

Christopher1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

So, you're saying that over $10B of this is from $10 to $20 software price increases? Zero to do with increased market reach? Massive MTX from third-party games?

Vithar1d 20h ago

where are the "Sony is in trouble" sayers? LOL

Chevalier1d 19h ago

They're talking about Microsoft quarterly profits like any true gamer would be doing.

Aloymetal1d 17h ago

Oh, that's coming, it's a mandatory thing just wait for next gen and you'll see infinite articles from the shills and the green fanbase saying ''tHiS GeN WiL Be dIfFerEnT''

stonecold31d 9h ago

over twitter xbox fanboy you tube are saying saying sony is broke cant afford warner bros.

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