Exclusive: What to Expect From Sony's Next-Gen PlayStation

Mark Cerny would like to get one thing out of the way right now: The videogame console that Sony has spent the past four years building is no mere upgrade. Don't expect it anytime in 2019, but the next PlayStation console is well on its way—and it's packing ray-tracing support and a loadtime-killing solid-state hard drive.

[UnSelf]

Great. We can finally get Eight Days.

[The Wood]

Lol. Forgot all about that. . .

I'm glad cerny is still active.

He helped Sony smash it this gen

[VenomUK]

Solid news, direct from Sony about the PlayStation 5!

Summary:

* Mark Cerny is again lead system architect
* A number of studios are working with it
* Sony have accelerated its deployment of devkits

PS5 will have
* AMD’s Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company’s new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture
* The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon’s Navi family, will support ray tracing
* The AMD chip also includes a custom unit for 3D audio
* PSVR is compatible with the new console
* PSVR2 is hinted at
* Specialised SSD to improve loading speeds
* Will have, some level of, support for 8K TVs
* Backwards compatible with PS4
* Will accept physical media
* Not being released in 2019

* Death Stranding may be cross-gen. Confirmed for PS4 & perhaps PS5 too.

[blacktiger]

Darthv72 but that doesn't mean anything. It can still be super slow.

That's like 16 mega pixel 2010
vs 16 mega pixel 2019,
Which would you pick?

[RangerWalk267]

Cerny, I feel, is the one that made the Pro so underwhelming. I hope Sony involves more developers in the design process.

[Babadook7]

"Cerny, I feel, is the one that made the Pro so underwhelming. I hope Sony involves more developers in the design process."

And I feel exactly the opposite. It was Cerny who managed (with the Pro) to beat his competition by a year and $100 while still delivering a competent machine that wins in head to heads on occasion and even produces better FPS performance on a somewhat regular basis. An amazing achievement.

[jukins]

@Rangerwalk the ps4pro was a mid gen upgrade not a complete overhaul like the xbox one x was. Increased performance 4k support and enhanced vr support all for the same as a launch ps4 100 cheaper and a year earlier than its competitors dont know how you see it as underwhelming

[bouzebbal]

First question is why did he give all these infos??
I liked the approach they did with PS4 reveal... Out of nowhere

[Saigon]

@bouzebbal

I didn't feel like he gave out everything, he just to me stated what the system can do. We still need the true specs to see what exactly the system is capable of, but right now we have a general assessment that we can use assume. Clock speeds and RAM type and the amount of RAM will also be key. The only true shocker imo was the SSD. With this, I assume Digital Foundry will give us a full assessment.

And it looks like they didn't waste any time:
https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

[KillZallthebeast]

My work pc is 1.5k retail so an in home console with the same specs isn't really a bad thing

[jerethdagryphon]

It's to get an idea of what xbox is doing if xbox matches them on there reveal. Then hell bump the smepcs a tiny bit add another 8gb ram for instance

[IamTylerDurden1]

Great news

Cerny lead architect
Navi GPU
7nm Zen 2 CPU
Custom ultra fast SSD that has more raw speed than any pc SSD
3D audio tech built into the chip
Supports PSVR
Backwards compatible
Has a physical drive
Supports 8K
Ray tracing
Been in development since 2015
Death Stranding could be cross gen launch title

This is everything i want to hear. Navi, Zen, SSD, true generational leap. The part that seems to be getting lost here is that the super fast custom SSD is being pushed for more than just an increase in standard load times. Cerny said it is a game changer in that it will impact the way games are made and played. It can fundamentally change many of the gimmicks and tropes in games today and quite literally allow for faster in game movement and larger more seamless open worlds. Console games currently are limited by how fast the data can be pulled off the HDD. Spiderman can only go so fast because it takes time for the world around him to load. Fast travel takes up to 1 min, opening doors can take exceptionally long, and even menus and inventories are purposely convoluted in order to buy time for loading. This custom SSD can help change all of this. Characters will whip through the world at greater actually speeds, open worlds will all be seamless, doors will be instant, menus will be easy and quick, and draw distances should improve.

[gravedigger]

J. Schreier from Kotaku :

"Wow, Sony undercuts Microsoft with the first details on PS5, not coming in 2019 (who could've guessed...). I heard at GDC that one of the big PS5 marketing beats would be "no loading times" which Cerny confirms here. Sounds expensive!"

https://twitter.com/jasonsc...

Good!

[HaVoK308]

Thanks for the summery VenomUK. I greatly appreciate it.

[-Foxtrot]

That would a great franchise to take over Uncharted, it came off Uncharted like

Uncharted meets Lethal Weapon

[Thunder_G0d_Bane]

Backwards compatibility makes it a day one purchase for me.

[Ceaser9857361]

PS5 will get PS4 BC games confirmed by Cerny .. He disclosed a lot of stuff about the PS5..

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Mark Cerny is once again the Lead System Architect.
8 core AMD 7nm Zen 2 based on third generation Ryzen.
Ray-tracing support with custom AMD Navi GPU.
Custom AMD unit for 3D Audio, also aided by ray-tracing, a big upgrade.
Extremely fast high-end custom SSD storage faster than any solution currently available for PC:
Spider-Man load times on PS4 Pro: 15 seconds → 0.8 seconds on next-gen PlayStation.
Technically supports 8K but Cerny demoed Spider-Man load speed improvements on a 4K screen.
New Virtual Reality platform strongly hinted at but also supports current PSVR (meaning millions of VR users 'day one').
Death Stranding might be a cross-gen title (speculation in article based on Cerny reply).
Physical Media.
Backwards Compatible with at least PS4.
Four years in development so far.
2020.
This is all official information! Straight from Mark Cerny. Key aspects were demoed to Wired on next-gen hardware.

[UltraNova]

Great news. Guess I wasn't so crazy to expect an SSD in the PS5 after all...

That said, this sudden reveal feels like a pre-emptive strike, a bait even... The ball is in MS's court now and I can't frickin wait for this fight to start.

[Z501]

Wait, what?
If it didn't have BC. What would you be losing? Meaning. You wouldn't have purchased day one because it couldn't play games you can already play? I'm confused.
*assuming you already have a PS4

[Ceaser9857361]

MAC42

Calm down Uncle.. That's a copy paste from what's been confirmed... If you know how to use the internet try googling...

[frostypants]

@Mac42o_0: Dude, RTFA..."At the moment, Sony won’t cop to exact details about the SSD—who makes it, whether it utilizes the new PCIe 4.0 standard—but Cerny claims that it has a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs." Meaning that while PC's might have it by that point, it's not something they currently have. And whether or not it's M.2 is completely pointless...M.2 is a form factor, not an interface. Totally irrelevent to this discussion.

[bluefox755]

People don't realize how dramatically SSD drives have been dropping in price. I regularly see 1tb sales from newegg for under 100. This is a dramatic reduction from even a year ago, and the price drops don't seem to be slowing down.

[Cobra951]

It makes it enormously interesting for me too, since I skipped the PS4 entirely. (My last Sony console is a PS2.) There are quite a few PS4 games I'd like to play in addition to the next-gen goodies the system will get.

[galgor]

Lest we forget Agent. And of course, The Getaway.

[Jin_Sakai]

This sounds amazing! These specs coupled with Sony’s 1st party studios will blow minds.

-Mark Cerny is once again the Lead System Architect.

-8 core AMD 7nm Zen 2 based on third generation Ryzen.

-Ray-tracing support with custom AMD Navi GPU.

-Custom AMD unit for 3D Audio, also aided by ray-tracing, a big upgrade. Hot on the heels of Sony having acquired near-industry-standard AudioKinetic.

-Extremely fast high-end custom SSD storage faster than any solution currently available for PC:

-Spider-Man load times on PS4 Pro: 15 seconds → 0.8 seconds on next-gen PlayStation. That's ~19x faster!
Huge practical game changer opening up for new design opportunities.

-Technically supports 8K but Cerny demoed Spider-Man load speed improvements on a 4K screen.

-New Virtual Reality platform strongly hinted at but also supports current PSVR (meaning millions of VR users 'day one').

-Death Stranding might be a cross-gen title (speculation in article based on Cerny reply).
Physical Media.

-Backwards Compatible with at least PS4.
Devkit is with developers and they recently accelerated its deployment.

-Four years in development so far.
2020.

[NarutoFox]

This sounds good for a console

[Evolve]

Deep Down for sure

[darthv72]

I see what you did there... ;-)

[NarooN]

No joke, those teasers for Eight Days and The Getaway 3 were what got me hyped for the PS3. Then I bought one and both games got scrapped so the studios developing them could make more SingStar and Eyepet games lol (because the latter two were selling like hotcakes back then.)

[Niv]

Since we got info i can see an announcement after August this year

[antbolton89]

I think they will hold an event in February like they did with the PS4 and launch November 2020

[Rude-ro]

The 20th anniversary of their greatest selling console. The ps2.
I am sure they are going to make it a big deal and the ps4 to the ps5 will be treated like the ps2 from the ps1.

[nucky64]

cerny has given a lot of info today - i would be surprised if they didn't officially announce the new system sometime this year.
edit - i do agree with you on a launch for next year - but, i'm thinking earlier than november.

[Twinblade]

I'm thinking 2021.

[darthv72]

My thought exactly. I'd been saying since rumors started to flow that 2020 holds a certain significance to Sony. 20 years of PS2 and 25 of PS1 (in terms of NA and WW release). Just like the next Xbox may release in 2021 which is the 20th anniversary of the og xbox.

[extermin8or]

Nah, I reckon it could launch next march.....

[nismo370]

Yes

[nismo370]

No

[Nicaragua]

I was kinda hoping it would land at the end of 2019. No matter, as always i will be in line on launch day.

[Forn]

I'll just pre-order on announcement day from Amazon lol.

[sprinterboy]

Always been a launch party kinda guy, I might be 43 but still a kid at heart lol.

[KickSpinFilter]

LOL you won't get one for a week, from Amazon after launch.

[Forn]

@KickSpinFilter

Actually, my PS4 came right on launch day from Amazon 😉

[nowitzki2004]

Waiting for hours with other excited gamers is really fun and you get it faster than Amazon

[The 10th Rider]

It seems like that was the original plan. Their current game lineup, skipping E3, no PSX last year, this "announcement" out of nowhere. They were probably planning on a 2019 launch, but I don't think the tech is quite there yet. 7nm GPUs may not even launch this year.

[nucky64]

i disagree - with the great games they've been releasing, i don't think they had any intention (or reason) of bringing out ps5 before 2020.

[extermin8or]

@nucky64 he said some games including exclusives will get a release on both consoles and with backwards compatibility it doesn't matter. I reckon next march with them taking a slight loss to make back on software.

[JackBNimble]

The article says no 2019 launch

[nismo370]

Nonsense

[pinkyxyz]

"the tech isnt there yet". Everything that Cerney mentioned in the article is availble in one form or another right now except navi. summer release atm.

[The 10th Rider]

@nucky,

Right now the lineup is fine for a 2020 launch. However Dreams and Days Gone were both heavily delayed. If both had released last year then this year and next would have been really light without the PS5 launch. My guess is it would have been The Last of Us 2 over the summer, Ghost of Tsushima in the Fall, and Death Stranding cross gen . . . With the PS5 in November.

@JackBNimble,

Yeah, I don't think 2020 was a recent change. I just think 2019 was the original target, a year or two back.

@pinkyxyz,

Zen 2 is coming the middle of this year, right now Navi doesn't have a target, but it could be the end of this year. Production takes time, so even though the tech is available, tech that literally just launched typically doesn't appear In a console.

[sprinterboy]

2020 will help keep the launch price in check, I'm expecting and setting a side ££429/449 but I'm happy with that to get the extra specs we want.

[2BlackBelt]

Next Gen Playstation (PS5)
- PS4 Backwards Compatibility
- PSVR Compatible
- Physical Media

With Stadia and xCloud adopting this always online method, I can only see consumers wanting to go for the PS5, as long as studios continue to output Top shelf exclusives.

[Kribwalker]

MS has already stated that xCloud will be a compliment to the physical xbox hardware, not replacing it

[ShadowWolf712]

And Nintendo said the DS wasn't gonna replace the Gameboy, and that the Switch wasn't gonna replace the 3DS.

Everything about MS's actions, just like the above scenarios, indicates otherwise. The hardware is gonna be the same as Valve's Steamboxes, an option, but not their focus.

[Kribwalker]

They have already announced a new console and the rumours are it will be unveiled at E3. I don’t know what you guys are questioning

[SpaceRanger]

MS also stated back in the day that turning off “always online” wasn’t as easy as flipping a switch and that it was their new direction.

[nyu1]

@CaptainOmega

Yes let's dismiss a contradicting point by assuming that MS statement is a lie.

[JackBNimble]

Give me a break people, MS isn't giving up on hardware just yet.

[gamer7804]

xcloud is different from stadia in that xcloud is a compliment to the xbox hardware, whereas stadia is an online only solution.

[rainslacker]

So xcloud is free to use with your xbox? If not, it's just another service, and just because its tied to ones xbl account doesn't mean that it's not it's own thing anymore than psnow is somehow a compliment to ps4. They both stream games you purchase or rent in some way.

[bluefox755]

The point is that the focus is different, no one can deny at this point that MS are trying to shift their model away from the traditional console.

[TheUndertaker85]

So does the existence of PS Now stop consumers from wanting PS5 if that’s instantly what does it for Microsoft and Google? Then in the instance of Microsoft there’s a better chance of more backwards compatibility versus PS5.

They actually state the only reason PS4 backwards compatibility would happen is because of equal architecture. Anything else however is not on that architecture. So PS Now will likely still be required for PS3 namely.

[TheUndertaker85]

This as well, directly from this story:
“Google is leading a charge away from traditional consoles by launching a cloud-gaming service, Stadia, later this year. Microsoft’s next version of the Xbox will presumably integrate cloud gaming as well to allow people to play Xbox games on multiple devices. Sony’s plans in this regard are still unclear—it’s one of the many things Cerny is keeping mum on, saying only that “we are cloud-gaming pioneers, and our vision should become clear as we head toward launch””

[KickSpinFilter]

Almost for certain PSNow will be needed for PS3,2,1 BC.
But for PS4, PS5 will play all PS4 games.