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Asking For An Easy Mode Is Disrespectful To Developers

The release of every new challenging FromSoft game never fails to spark heated discussions regarding how people need to stop whining about the game's unforgiving difficulty and just "Git gud". Despite the debut of several challenging games in recent memory, with no difficulty options like Hollow Knight or Dead Cells, none of them have managed to ignite the same amount of tension as FromSoft's titles did among the media. While a similar case can be made for games that try to rip off the Souls formula like Lords Of The Fallen or The Surge, where most people just label them as mediocre Souls-clones and move on. The most probable reason for this widespread hysteria might just be FromSoft's massive popularity compared to other niche developers, but it definitely does not mean that they should be asked to lose their signature style.

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AspiringProGenji2274d ago (Edited 2274d ago )

Easy mode? More like, Game Reviewer and Snowflakes mode

These people asking for an easy mode wouldn’t survive playing Battletoads Double Dragon and Spiderman Maximun Carnage if they were released today.

For once/twice/Trice we get a from soft game in a gen that encapsulates the feel of classic gaming: No MTs, no handholding gameplay, challenging gameplay. Yet, the gamers of today are so used to dumbed down gaming that they complain to FromSoft to also dumb down their games just so they can play it too

If you can’t beat any of those games and don’t try hard enough to overcome them, then FromSoft games are not for you. Simple!

TheOptimist2273d ago

I totally forgot to mention how older games were much harder and we didn't have such articles back then because everyone just assumed that's how they were and if it wasn't for them, they would go do something else.

I feel that no game is hard if:
1. You are patient and observant.
2. If you like the game enough and like taking up challenges even if you fail a 1000 times at them.

Kosic2272d ago

Some older games were made so hard that they couldn't be beaten. It wasn't because the developer wanted a difficult game. They didn't even finish making the game. So made some impossible to beat (instant death again X boss etc).

Using older games were harder is a bad excuse. Back then you can't patch things out. While now you can.

It'll be the same argument with bringing out any sort of paid dlc.. back then there was no such thing. So new games shouldn't release additional content... See how bad that argument is.

DigitalHope2273d ago

Completely agree!!

No name name bloggers from who gives a sh*t websites need to stop pushing this narrative. No one has asked for an easy mode on any of FromSoftwears from what I remember. They put out one of their easier games in comparison and all of a sudden people need hand holding? Shut the front door.

TheOptimist2273d ago

Funny because it were sites like Forbes and Kotaku pushing this narrative. With PCGamer joining the the wagon by saying "I completed Sekiro with cheats"

DigitalHope2273d ago

Funny. My point still stands.

rainslacker2272d ago (Edited 2272d ago )

I prostrate myself in the face of your uber leet gaming skills.

There's nothing wrong with people asking for an easy mode so long as its done respectfully. They're just saying they'd like to play the game, but don't find it something they can get into in the way it's shipped. They're interested in the product.

What's more funny though, is that FromSoft seems OK being respectful to those that ask, just saying that they do it this way because it's how they want to make them, and they feel it's appropriate. I disagree with the above people who don't accept that, but have nothing against them stating if they would like an easy mode. But, the funny part is, is that a lot of people in the gaming community seem way more offended by people asking than the devs ever seemed to be. Some of them seem to wear their liking or ability to complete these games as some sort of badge of honor, and it's rather funny seeing all the elitist views that surround their "accomplishments".

Kosic2272d ago

The funny thing is. Some people who have been defending the normal/hard mode probably have never played the game or completed them. Their just there because they like the discussion (troll stating). It's sad really.

milohighclub2272d ago (Edited 2272d ago )

If gamers are used to dumb down experiences blame developers for creating the dumb experience in the first place, not gamers for becoming accustomed to it.

Not played he game yet as I've currently got hard game fatigue n looking for something 'casual' as all you elitist 'proper' gamers would call it. This game looks like something i'd sink many hours into, however I'm really not looking for frustration, I'm looking for fun.

P.s all you elitists that are better than everyone else cos you enjoy been frustrated like to bring up how hard games used to be, but forget they were only so hard due to the limitations of the tech, not so much due to the artistic vision. They wouldn't be half as hard if released today due to checkpoints and save files.

But you guys so good you clock fromsoftware games without using checkpoints cos that's how games are supposed to be, right?

milohighclub2272d ago

Do you restart the game everytime you die or do you use checkpoints to continue? Just thought cos you was so oldschool, you wouldn't be caught dead using dumb down hand holding game mechanics.

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ArchangelMike2274d ago

Now this guy gets it.

Creative Freedom. If you start taking creative freedom away from developer where do you think that will eventually lead? EA, Activitsion, Ubisoft often cater to the lowest common mass market denominator adn as a result relsease the same mediocre games over and over and over again.

Let FROMSOFT do their thing. If it's not for you then do yourself a favour and please move on to any of the othe rmillion casual games out there.

TheOptimist2273d ago

I agree. Precisely why I moved away from those big three. I want varying experiences that challenge me in different ways. From Software's games have this freshness to them that no other game has. Same goes for games like Celeste, Cuphead, Furi, Hyper Light Drifter or someone of the other games I have played in the past few years.

rainslacker2272d ago

Asking for an easy mode is not taking away the devs creative freedom. Saying you want an easy mode is not taking away their creative freedom. It's just asking for a mode in a game, which the devs are free to do or not. The fact they haven't done it pretty much exemplifies that their creative freedom hasn't been taken away, because this surely isn't the first time that the topic has come up.

isarai2273d ago

Don't know why it's so hard for people to get that some games just aren't for you. Look i love the worlds, characters, design, story and presentation many classic JRPGs have, but i can't stand turned based(nothing against it, just isn't fun for me) combat so i never play them unless they have something more active and arcadey. Does that mean i wish they would change the combat system to suit me? HELL NO! it's not for me, and if i really want that experience in a gameplay style i would enjoy more i can look elsewhere and find that if i look hard enough.

the core pillar to these games is the difficulty, the whole draw is the satisfaction of overcoming the challenge, if you don't like challenge then why are you trying to play a soulsborne game? that's like me bitching that Kirby's Epic Yarn doesn't have an extreme difficulty, game just isn't for someone looking for a challenge, or going to watch the Avengers only to complain that there isn't enough Romantic Comedy moments. I thought this was basic logic, common sense, but apparently it isn't.

TheOptimist2273d ago

It's the culture that has come with everyone having access to the internet. Instead of accepting something, people want creators to mould their work according to the people's demands. It doesn't help that very few people are there who would rather fail and fail and fail to succeed than taking the first few failures to the internet and complaining.

LuzCB19872273d ago

People asked for easy mode on flappy bird.

ClayRules20122273d ago

I loved the challenge on flappy bird.

Psychotica2273d ago

I always like the idea of the Paradox Interactive grand strategy games but I suck at them, I don't get them, they are too complicated etc etc. But I don't expect them to change their game to make it easy for people like me either, I just stopped buying them.

TheOptimist2273d ago

I mean, failure is a part of succeeding. If you like a game and fail at it, I feel that for you to become good at the game, you need to like the game much more than you hate sucking at it.

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It Shouldn't Take Expedition 33's Success to Remind Square Enix That Turn-Based Still Sells

TNS: Expedition 33 was the wake-up call Square Enix needed, telling it turn-based RPGs are still popular, but that shouldn't have been the case.

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Relientk776h ago

True, but if it does get it through their thick skulls, then that works.

Although, the Dragon Quest 1 + 2 HD remakes will be turn-based and (the worst kept secret) Final Fantasy IX remake should be turn-based I would imagine. Let's see if any newer games go turn-based too.

thorstein2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

DQIII HD Remake was turned based and very successful. Then there was a really obscure turn based game came Balder's Gate 3. I heard it might have done well.

DivineHand1256h ago

While it is true that Sqaure Enix has moved away from turn based games compared to how they were in the past, there is a good reason for it.

Older gamers will know this but during the ps2 era, we were flooded with turned based games from Japanese studios and this created a form of fatigue back then going into the next generation.

When Square released FF13, they received heavy criticism for making the game turned based like every other FF game and not doing enough to innovate. This is why they made FF15, FF7 Remake and FF16 have real time combat. It gave the series a fresh spin and has brought in new fans to the series.

I personally would be happy with either turned based FF or the real-time combat version we see today.

Shane Kim5h ago

Remake and Rebirth have "turn based" if you set it in the settings.

Lexreborn22h ago

Dang wish I saw your post before I made mine because we definitely feel the same way lol

andy855h ago

Only need to look at their own game DQ 11 approaching 10 million to show there's a market. And that's not as big of a name as FF

Tacoboto5h ago

Another article about Expedition 33 and Square Enix and turn-based games? This is starting to sound like propaganda.

The game didn't sell because it's a turn-based game; it sold and is enjoyed because it's a really freaking good game that released completed at a good price without gamer drama attached to it. No Mtx, no wait-until-it's-patched, minimal bloat, a self-contained story, no multiplatform BS. Just a solid original game that absolutely nails what it intended to do.

Redemption-644h ago

I was just about to say the same thing.

anast3h ago

This comment should have a 100 upvotes, at least.

CrimsonWing694h ago

Maybe try actually listening to the fans who have supported the series for decades. This habit of ignoring your core audience just to chase people who were never interested in Final Fantasy in the first place makes no sense. And when that approach fails, doubling down on it is beyond baffling.

The battle system has never been the main reason non-FF or non-JRPG players stayed away. Gutting the series’ identity to chase a broader market doesn’t attract new players. It just alienates the loyal ones.

Keep going down this road and we’ll end up with Final Fantasy Fortnite abomination or a F2P Battle Royale game.. Oh wait…

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Rematch is "chasing credibility" but not realism like rival EA FC

Pocket Tactics sits down with Rematch’s creative director, Pierre Tarno, to discuss why Sloclap moved away from Sifu to chase something new.

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Sony Faces Class Action in the Netherlands Over Allegedly Inflated PlayStation Store Prices

Mass Damage & Consumer Foundation in the Netherlands has filed a class action against Sony for inflating PlayStation Store prices.

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dveio2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

My personal opinion:

Manufacturers and publishers have indeed inflated the industry.

From $700 million development costs for games like Call of Duty, to digital (store) prices for games and DLCs, online multiplayer fees on consoles (why can you play Helldivers 2 online for free on PC but not consoles?) or still preventing sell/lend digitally purchased games.

Sometime in the future, this bubble will collapse.

They should know better, but they just can't help themselves and suck even the last penny out of our wallets.

BeHunted2d ago

Because Sony knows people will be forced to pay those prices for single player and multiplayer games, not everyone prefers PC gaming. Sony also has a monopoly on PlayStation digital games. In 2019, they stopped allowing retailers and game key sellers to sell PlayStation digital games, making them available only through the official PlayStation Store

anast2d ago

The Dutch gov. wants a piece of the pie.

Eonjay2d ago

They should be suing the individual publishers increasing the prices to $80 instead of suing the store. There are plenty of publishers still selling game for like $50 with much success (like E33). But this proves that the publishers are the ones setting the prices.... so again nothing changes because they aren't even going after the main offender. How is suing Sony going to make Microsoft not charge $80 for the next COD? Sony being the number one store in the market doesn't mean that publisher have to charge us an arm and a leg. Again the industry is laughing at us because consumers never get real representation. Just these fake platitudes that are meaningless.

BeHunted2d ago

"How is suing Sony going to make Microsoft not charge $80 for the next COD"

Because Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly, I can purchase Call of Duty at a huge discount from CDKeys or other gaming retailers. The only way to purchase digital PlayStation games is through the PlayStation Store.

djl34852d ago

Weird, I swore GoW, Stellar Blade, Horizon Zero Dawn, TLoU, etc. were on the steam store....uh.....

BeHunted1d 20h ago (Edited 1d 20h ago )

@djI3485

I'm talking about PlayStation games that you can only purchase on PlayStation. I can purchase Steam and Epic games from 3rd party retailers and key stores.

"Sony to stop selling full-game download codes at retailers"

https://www.videogamer.com/...

Killer2020UK2d ago

About time. There is zero fair reason why digitally distributed products that you cannot recoup any value when you want to dispose of them, should be priced higher than that of physical copies that entail all of the costs and the benefits of owning.

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