Do Xbox 360 game installations speed up load times? See what difference there is in Ubisoft's Far Cry 2.
A very small difference, but it is definitely an improvement. It is worth it for the noise reduction alone.
I installed Fable 2 on my HDD and OH MY GOOD, it now loads twice faster. That game really needed it.
That it takes longer than the Ps3 version to load
Well what do you expect from a version that has lower quality textures.
it got into the game like 10 seconds faster and than they seem to load about the same, so saves you some time, it's worth it! noise reduction is good
But I thought installs were "gay", kids? Despite the fact that it makes the game run smoother and load faster, we've all been bashing the PS3 since Day One about the install files, and now it's a cool feature that we're all looking forward to? Lol. Just...lol. And before anyone says it: most PS3 installs these days are optional or non-existant (see Uncharted and Dead Space for reference).
PS3 Installs don't do much other than take up space and offer VERY LITTLE benefits to gamers. There's only a handful of games that'll benefit from the PS3 Installs while most of the 360's library will benefit, and no noise whatsoever! Microsoft got it right by allowing us to install our entire games onto the HDD. Looks like Sony really did drop the ball on the standard HDD cause it looks like Microsoft might beat them to it. I'm over the whole "mandatory HDD Installs", now I'm antsy about which console can make the best use of my GBs and it looks like Microsoft FTW. Man Sony...WTF? Why implement features if your devs won't make use of it. Didn't Sony promise Full-game Installs back in 2006 with Ridge Racer 7? Custom-Soundtracks practically non-existant, scarce trophy support until '09. I can list others like Screenshot capture, Youtube support, but I'll wait on those. Is Sony playing around too much with Home to really care about what's most important: the games should be Sony's #1 priority, and everything else comes 2nd. I can live without Home, but NXE is really showing up the PS3 in the gaming department for sure. I know I would've loved to install R2 completely on the HDD for speedy loading.
MGS4 has to install every level, every time you play it. BIG difference. Plus its completely optional.
@ FantasyStar I think you're getting ahead of yourself. Developers cannot count on an HDD for the 360. In fact, Microsoft has pretty much said "NO!" to every dev that has asked to make their game require an HDD. The PS3 is a very different story, since every model comes with an HDD. So, devs will not make 360 games that fully utilize the HDD. Period. The jury is still out on how this "optional install" thing will work. For all we know, it might shave a few seconds off load times and that's it. Framerate might stay the same. Texture pop-in might stay the same. Now, notice how I said "might"...because we don't know yet. The "optional installs" MIGHT upgrade your 360 to a Blu Ray player. Who knows?
True enough, however I don't count on PS3 devs optimizing for the PS3's HDD cause I've seen very few devs do the work that actually benefit the gamer. As a user of NXE, I can tell you I see great benefits out of NXE. Mass Effects Texture-pop ins are a thing of the past, Lost Odyssey shaves off 4-5 seconds. (A 40%-50% gain from 10 seconds). Rock Band loads faster, Halo 3 barely benefits, Fable 2 is SUPER TIGHT, GTAIV is just as solid as the PS3 version now, Dead Rising is INCREDIBLY SMOOTH and GeoW feels tight as well, if not tighter because GeoW already does stream-loading. The jury is still out there, but I can personally tell you that Microsoft to this date has made the right decision. This is coming from a guy that works on broken 360s for a living and experiences the catastrophic nature of DVD-Drives dying, GPUs frying and heat management a problem for 360. The 360's is just as quiet as the PS3 now, if not quieter. MGS4's Act-Installs was a terrible example of how limited devs are by the 2x BR Drive and Sony's 5GB max. Could you imagine how much stable it would be if Sony just allowed us to install entire games on the HDD from PS3's launch? When it comes to programming for the HDD, the most important thing is optimizing the file-structure to decrease seek times and increase access times. Whatever benefits that the 360 saw in its DVD-9s get passed over to the HDD instantaneously because the file-structure is already optimized for low-seek, high-access. Also because HDD's data rates are much higher than DVD's. The same benefits can come from PS3 as well for Full-Disc installs, but so far Sony has yet to comment on NXE. I love Home and the potential it can bring to social gaming, but priorities man.... Like I said earlier, I'm totally over the "HDD installs". If you guys ever modded your Xbox 1, then you'll know the speedy benefits of loading from the HDD instead of the disc itself: Just about every Xbox game felt more fluid and the load times were alot shorter. Although this puts more stress on the HDD, for PS3; if the HDD breaks I can buy a new one. I always keep my data backed up. Sony has a huge opportunity to snatch the limelight from NXE with its own game-install system. Revise the mandatory-installs, or just get rid of them all-together and just give us the full-installs instead. And just imagine the more potential with Solid State Disks, that's something Microsoft will never have because of their proprietary(LIE) HDDs. http://www.engadget.com/200...
You gotta get it right if you are going to throw it back in our faces. Mandatory installs are retarded and suck... optional installs equal choice and are completely fine by me.
are indeed gay but thankfully most games these days do have optional installs instead of mandatory or none at all. Someone mentioned Resistance earlier but that doesn't need an install cause it runs fast already and the PS3 never had a noise problem in the first place. I guess it juts depends on who the developer is. For wide open games like Far Cry I'l still expecting mandatory installs. Still it made the biggest difference when you boot up the game not when loading up your save game files. I think the noise reduction is worth it though.
Yet on the 360 you can see clear as day that the install actually helps loading times and system noise. So is in other words you prefer them over the game not being installed correct? Lets say you buy gears of war 2 and you play it uninstalled, we all know where this is going, load times are slower and you have the noise going on in the background, would you install it or play it as it is? would you settle for the ahhh its ok version or the look how fast i got into my game, I don't hear any noise, full blown all out war action without any background annoyances...I'd choose the later, but that's just me and my opinion, its up to you guys.
And before anyone says it: most PS3 installs these days are optional or non-existant (see Uncharted and Dead Space for reference). This is classic he says most and he names 2 games, so that means there is only 3 games for the ps3. Would you like to make a list of non mandatory installs and i will make of list of mandatory installs? And we will see which one is bigger. And no the ps3 installs are for slow drive speeds has little to do with speeding the game up.
Lol. The PS3 had this feature 2 years ago. Way to go.
It has that feature because it has to. How many times have you replayed MGS4...? yeah, never. And i'm pretty sure microsoft games have been installing on hard drives for a very long time.
How many times have you replayed Halo 3?
6 times. 1st was to beat it 2nd was to beat it again with my new gear 3rd was to get Big Boss emblem 4th was to collect all Easter Eggs 5th was to get statues and Solar Gun 6th was to get all other emblems still need a couple more emblems, stuff like Panda (30+ hours) and Chicken (you seriously have to suck hard to get this one) are hard.
main reason is for the noise reduction and wear and tear that goes along with it! With the warranty about to run out MS made a good choice! Even if installs where so trashed by the 360 fanBase here on N4G! Now all you need is a HDD with enough space! 20GB wont last very long for you arcade owners!
Exactly i am on my 3rd ps3 drive going bad.
it improves a little bit, but on the other hand, damn!!! Far Cry 2 360 take A LOT of time loading!!! like 36 secs...i don't remember waiting that long on the PS3 but maybe its just an illusion and they take the same
6 installation minuts for 6 seconds on launch and another 3 seconds on game load... no way...
+ a lot less noise: way.
Damn, even the "new" xbox experience does take alot of time to load.
Noise reduction FTW!
I dont' want to see the differences of new games as we know they are going to be optimized pretty well. But how about games from last year or earlier. I would like to see Mass Effect installed and compareed, how about Halo 3, Gears of War, Call of Duty 2, Kameo, Oblivion...show me those games. Not a game launching this week.
i want to see if having the whole game installed on the HDD improves the texture loading issues on Gears 1 and Mass Effect (i mean for those parts in which the textures took a while to load but you were already playing)
This would be handy for when making maps, the disc drive just screams during the map editing.
Loading time I can deal with. Noise I dont like alot. So to me this will be profitable at a greatest point.
Every game has different needs, the performance of this feature will vary depending on how efficient the code or method is to begin with; as if the increased loading will have a set speed across all games *but* loading different titles without the HDD, load at the same speed too . This feature helps games run better in other ways(pop-ups, frame rates etc) lol
I hate you f!ckers.
Expect 360 versions of games to run much better and it will show in reviews of multi platform games(and exclusives) pulling away from PS3 much faster.
I expect Microsoft to axe it from their upcoming firmware update
Why is your life so pathetic? Go outside, look at the sun.
LOL whats with this FBI guy? No one could actually be this ignorant.
so many dissing game installs on the PS3, after we have been doing it for years on the PC with no complaints really look like fools now...now their fallback.....but, but its an option...lol
its really good and im gona use it to reduce the pressure over the lense.
All you people saying "installs are gay" are the ones who talk like that or use the N word on XBL. Grow up and be more respectful.
Only game I want to see the results for is Fable 2. That game even has menu lag and it's pretty annoying. The rest of the library doesn't bother me so much. For those that are bringing up the whole PS3 vs. 360 you first need to STFU. But, what I will say, is that despite which side of the fence you fall on, MS has a problem with installs as they still only offer a measly 120GB OVERPRICED HDD. Now, you figure the average game is going be be between 5-8GB. You're going to fill that up pretty quick. What are you going to do? Well, right now you will just have to delete certain games because at that size that's about 10-14 games before you fill up the HDD, assuming you have NOTHING ELSE on it. Will MS make a bigger HDD? Probably. Will it be even more overpriced? Well, lets see. THe 120gb was $199.99 (about $110 more than what that same HDD would cost if you just bought it yourself) when it launched. So, my guess is that next HDD they will build will probably be a $250 and I'm guessing it will cost about $300. Congrats?
You mean a 250GB HD at $300?
Expect 360 versions of games to run much better and it will show in reviews of multi platform games(and exclusives) pulling away from PS3 much faster. you really cant help yourself can you hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahaha
multiplats have been better on 360. they are still ahead of the ps3 versions 2 years after ps3 was launched. im not saying that recent multiplatform games are bad on ps3, it has gotten a LOT better, but the ps3 versions have yet to beat the 360 versions on multiplatform games. it might be ps3, might be the devs, might be MONEY, but these are the facts. atleast though now ps3 owners can get a good version of multiplats, unlike 2007 and earlier this year, the gap between the 2 versions (360 and ps3) has become smaller. anyways peace and play on
Burnout is awesome on PS3 oblivan was awesome on PS3 COD is awesome on PS3 GTA4 is awesome on PS3 Dead Space is awesome on PS3 Mirrors Edge will be awesome on PS3 Madden is awesome on PS3 FIFA is awesome on PS3 NOW DIRTRIDER tell me what multi-plats other then Orange Box and Slipnter Cell that run better on 360! Im not here to have a back and forth with you ppl here on N4G because some of you cant have a decent debate without bringing up OLD bullet points that are no longer true see where you go wrong is the idea of 360 multiplats being SOOOOOOO much better because in fact they are not and thing is Dirtrider most of those bullet points where started by ppl messing with settings are even changing photos out to make one game look worse then it really was! Sorry to tell you dude but anything from EA will will always look better on PS3 from here on out! You should be happy the PS3 is lead now because 360 games will improve because of it!
your comment is totally WRONG. if mandatory installs made ps3 games "run" smoother then explain why 98% of multiplatform games have been proven time and time again to have a smoother more stable framerate on 360. best example F.E.A.R. for ps3 guess you think that game ran "smooth" as well- mandatory install on that game was 2.0 or 2.5 gigs. mandatory installs on ps3 dont have a friggin thing to do with how smooth or in this case how smooth they dont run. it only has to deal with load times. optional installs for 360 is brilliant- makes the system quieter and improves some on load times yes some, the 360 doesnt load slow anyways. im just glad we as 360 owners have a CHOICE, and its not forced upon us. the only choice ps3 users have especially the 20 gig owners is "what game can i delete first"- thats their choice..................
please list games that run better on the 360 that have come out over the last year! You cant because they dont exist and your only spewing viral marketing bullet point nonsence! you can pm me with this list of multiplat games that run sooooo much better on 360! i have a idea that your list will be very short and have nothing for 2008 on it btw Dirtrider FEAR sucked and it sucked on both systems! I want good games not just some random game that didnt make a impact
The installs for the ps3 are basically for saving the blu-ray drive.
Dirtrider is POG's other name
I just want a mass effect comparison pleaseeeeee
Ok, settle down dorks. This feature is for use in UPCOMING games, so that developers can implement it for better gameplay and load a whole ton of stuff at once, which would take minutes from a cd. Right now it won't make much difference, especially seeing as how the Xbox dvd drive is ultra fast (that's why it's loud). Also, these installs are OPTIONAL, unlike on the PS3.
Actually they stated that it would also help loading times on older games. Which I hope does work, because it'd be nice to use it on some that I still play today.
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/... Also keep in mind Developers will start coding to take advantage of this OPTIONAL install benefits.
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